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Knick9
01-01-2002, 01:49 AM
WHO CARES????????????????? Honestly, its an All-Star game, the managers used all of the pitchers, are the pitchers supposed to risk injury in a meaningless game so their league can win a meaningless game?

I laugh when people bring this up, USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE

Take a chill pill, why don't you? I've been noticing a trend here recently. When in doubt, get mad at Knick9. I'm not the village idiot here, you know. :rolleyes: (kidding)

As for the All-Star game fiasco, my suggestion would be to use someone else to pitch. I wouldn't care if it were an outfielder or an infielder, or even the catcher, try to finish the game, then if it's clearly impossible to do so, then call it a tie.

EDIT: How did this post get to Page 1? :confused:

Future:Greatest2BofAll-Time
11-30-2006, 05:33 PM
Yep in 2009 he is gonna retire

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2681764

Astro
11-30-2006, 05:43 PM
I can think of more reasons to like his tenure, than to not like it... so I went with I like him...

W_Marone
11-30-2006, 05:51 PM
2009 marks the best year in baseball in a long long time.

Astro
11-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Yes, because Selig has been such a bad commish...

I suppose you dont like the wildcard? Or you aren't for revenue sharing? You would prefer the players be on strike right now?

Skin & Bones
11-30-2006, 06:31 PM
Yes, because Selig has been such a bad commish...

I suppose you dont like the wildcard? Or you aren't for revenue sharing? You would prefer the players be on strike right now?

It's the steroid thing. Fay Vincent banned steroids in 1991, but had no testing policy, and a slipshod penalty. But it's all Selig's fault that steroids became rampant in baseball though.:rolleyes:

I personally don't have a problem with him - Atleast he has a legitimate testing policy in place now for both Steroids and Greenies. The drug cheats still may find loopholes, but that's bound to happen no matter how tough your drug testing is.

JamesWest
11-30-2006, 06:37 PM
I suppose you dont like the wildcard?

HATE the wild card. The 21st century has not been kind to the baseball postseason. When a team with 83 wins (or a second place team) can win the Series, you know there is somthing seriously wrong with the postseason set-up.

Astro
11-30-2006, 06:38 PM
HATE the wild card. The 21st century has not been kind to the baseball postseason. When a team with 83 wins (or a second place team) can win the Series, you know there is somthing seriously wrong with the postseason set-up.
No, I'd say there is something seriously wrong with the teams losing to them...

JamesWest
11-30-2006, 06:41 PM
No, I'd say there is something seriously wrong with the teams losing to them...

I disagrre. The problem is letting these teams participate.

Astro
11-30-2006, 06:42 PM
I disagrre. The problem is letting these teams participate.
St. Louis wasnt the wildcard this season anyway... they won the division... the biggest division in baseball, and apparently the toughest in the NL (past 3 World Series reps hailing from the NL Central)

JamesWest
11-30-2006, 06:44 PM
St. Louis wasnt the wildcard this season anyway... they won the division... the biggest division in baseball, and apparently the toughest in the NL (past 3 World Series reps hailing from the NL Central)

With their ultra impressive 83 wins. The current divisonal set=up allows jokes like this to happen.

Astro
11-30-2006, 06:49 PM
With their ultra impressive 83 wins. The current divisonal set=up allows jokes like this to happen.
Is it really a joke if your in a very good division and everyone beats up on each other? Maybe the other divisions are jokes because 1 team can win so easily and lead almost the entire season (New York)

JamesWest
11-30-2006, 06:51 PM
Is it really a joke if your in a very good division and everyone beats up on each other? Maybe the other divisions are jokes because 1 team can win so easily and lead almost the entire season (New York)

83 wins as a division leader = joke.

Astro
11-30-2006, 06:52 PM
83 wins as a division leader = joke.
Ok, I pose the exact same question, maybe you will answer this time:

Is it really a joke if your in a very good division and everyone beats up on each other? Maybe the other divisions are jokes because 1 team can win so easily and lead almost the entire season (New York)

JamesWest
11-30-2006, 06:55 PM
Ok, I pose the exact same question, maybe you will answer this time:

Is it really a joke if your in a very good division and everyone beats up on each other? Maybe the other divisions are jokes because 1 team can win so easily and lead almost the entire season (New York)

How good can your division be if your best team barely breaks .500? That doesn't scream 'good division' to me.

Astro
11-30-2006, 06:57 PM
How good can your division be if your best team barely breaks .500? That doesn't scream 'good division' to me.
If every team in the division is good, they all will beat up on each other... how good can your division be if the winner barely breaks .500? Well since that division winner won the World Series, I'd say very good

Zanthe
11-30-2006, 06:58 PM
We can only hope this is true!

JamesWest
11-30-2006, 07:31 PM
If every team in the division is good, they all will beat up on each other... how good can your division be if the winner barely breaks .500? Well since that division winner won the World Series, I'd say very good

Who were the best teams? The ones that lost all through September?

ESPNFan
11-30-2006, 07:31 PM
It's the steroid thing. Fay Vincent banned steroids in 1991, but had no testing policy, and a slipshod penalty. But it's all Selig's fault that steroids became rampant in baseball though.:rolleyes:

I personally don't have a problem with him - Atleast he has a legitimate testing policy in place now for both Steroids and Greenies. The drug cheats still may find loopholes, but that's bound to happen no matter how tough your drug testing is.

The memo couldn't have had a testing policy nor a penalty that would have been administered to the players because it was not collectively bargained for.

And lets be honest here Bud was forced to implement testing, It wasn't because he blazed a trail for fair play. He was made to look foolish infront of congress, and if the real figures of the "informational" testing ever came out we would see just how widespread the problem became under his watch.

The strike of 1994, no world series, the decline of baseball representation in mainsteam media/networks, the all star game fiasco and subsequent home feild advantage error. Unless you were a team owner, Selig has quite simply been just short of a disaster for baseball.

EvanAparra
11-30-2006, 07:34 PM
Who were the best teams? The ones that lost all through September?

Best team is the one who wins in the end.

Astro
11-30-2006, 07:46 PM
Who were the best teams? The ones that lost all through September?
The teams in the Central that battled it out to the end, then won the World Series

iPod
11-30-2006, 09:07 PM
Best team is the one who wins in the end.

Not trying to start a philosophical debate here, but doesn't this seem like circular logic? If the postseason is just a tool to measure which teams are genuinely, inherently the "best," shouldn't there be some sort of disjointment between the two, meaning "the best" team and the team that wins the World Series? Lesser teams beat greater teams all the time during the season; it seems really unlikely that the greater team won every single postseason series in baseball history, and even if this were the case, it would just be an accident of history. This sort of makes me wonder what the point of the postseason is, because if what we're really interested in is who is best, and we know the team that won the World Series isn't necessarily the best, why do we care about the World Series, or more specifically, why is the World Series the subject of interest in the greatness debate? If the goal of a team is not to be the best but to win the World Series, doesn't that seem like sort of an artificial, contrived goal without any real value?

Sultan_1895-1948
11-30-2006, 09:29 PM
Unless you were a team owner, Selig has quite simply been just short of a disaster for baseball.

Couldn't agree more.

If the goal of a team is not to be the best but to win the World Series, doesn't that seem like sort of an artificial, contrived goal without any real value?

Getting hot at the right time and catching a few breaks here and there, goes a heck of a long way.

redlegsfan21
12-01-2006, 09:07 PM
The NL Central had 3 teams within striking distance on September 30th. More than any other division. The only reason the Reds didn't win is because they can't win against the West. The Astros didn't win because they were behind almost the entire season until September. The Cards got out lucky because they had losing records against the Reds, Astros, and Cubs.

cardsfanatic
12-01-2006, 09:32 PM
HATE the wild card. The 21st century has not been kind to the baseball postseason. When a team with 83 wins (or a second place team) can win the Series, you know there is somthing seriously wrong with the postseason set-up.

Because that _never_ happened before the Wildcard. It's not like the 85 win Minnesota Twins beat the team with the best record in baseball, the best record in the AL and NL, to capture a WS in 1987.

cardsfanatic
12-01-2006, 09:34 PM
It's the steroid thing. Fay Vincent banned steroids in 1991, but had no testing policy, and a slipshod penalty. But it's all Selig's fault that steroids became rampant in baseball though.:rolleyes:

I personally don't have a problem with him - Atleast he has a legitimate testing policy in place now for both Steroids and Greenies. The drug cheats still may find loopholes, but that's bound to happen no matter how tough your drug testing is.

How is it his fault? Steroids were rampant in the 1980's if you believe all of Canseco's claims, which most people here seem to. With their crucifixion of Mark McGwire without a shred of proof outside of Canseco's book. And greenies have been around for 50 years -- a lot of baseball commissioners let this happen. Not just Bud Selig.

JamesWest
12-01-2006, 09:40 PM
Because that _never_ happened before the Wildcard. It's not like the 85 win Minnesota Twins beat the team with the best record in baseball, the best record in the AL and NL, to capture a WS in 1987.

That type was a lot less likely under the format, but if it up to me (perfect world scenario) there would only be two teams making the post-season, as there was from 1905 to 1968.

That 85 win champion was just a shade less pathetic than the '06 Cards.

cardsfanatic
12-01-2006, 09:41 PM
83 wins as a division leader = joke.

Ok, and you claim this didn't happen before the Wildcard? How about 1984, 1987, 1972, 1973, 1974. Those are just the ones I found doing a quick search where teams with 85 or fewer wins won a division. A few of those teams snuck in there and won the WS, too. I guess the "two division, two team" format is just as bogus. It = teh l0s3.

cardsfanatic
12-01-2006, 09:42 PM
That type was a lot less likely under the format, but if it up to me (perfect world scenario) there would only be two teams making the post-season, as there was from 1905 to 1968.

Well, I'll take a Bud Selig over a "you-type" commish anyday of the week. I wouldn't even bother watching baseball if that format came back.

JamesWest
12-01-2006, 09:42 PM
Ok, and you claim this didn't happen before the Wildcard? How about 1984, 1987, 1972, 1973, 1974. Those are just the ones I found doing a quick search where teams with 85 or fewer wins won a division. A few of those teams snuck in there and won the WS, too. I guess the "two division, two team" format is just as bogus. It = teh l0s3.

Please see my above response.

cardsfanatic
12-01-2006, 09:45 PM
Please see my above response.

Well, how many times has an 85 win team (or fewer) won the WS since the advent of the WC? As a matter of fact, how many sub-90 wins teams have won it?

JamesWest
12-01-2006, 09:47 PM
Well, how many times has an 85 win team (or fewer) won the WS since the advent of the WC? As a matter of fact, how many sub-90 wins teams have won it?

One time was one time too many.

cardsfanatic
12-01-2006, 09:50 PM
One time was one time too many.

Heh, but when I point out it happened at least six times in a two decade span during the four-team playoff format you respond "eh, it happened a few times" like it's not big deal. But it happens ONCE between 1994-2006 and it's suddenly a huge problem.

Brian McKenna
12-01-2006, 09:52 PM
In the end Selig's reign will be seen as a great success - the game is much more prosperous than when he stepped in.

In twenty years no one will care one iota about Selig and his relationship to the wild card or some silly tied AS game or any of the other petty complaints. History doesn't care about that crap.

Eventually, the steroid responsibility will fall on those that it should - the fraudulent conduct of the players. Management (in whatever industry) has always been behind the eight ball when it comes to employee misconduct.

redlegsfan21
12-02-2006, 04:53 AM
In '81, there was a 63-win team going up against a 59-win team, with a little help from the strike.

wilkerson_rulz-06
12-02-2006, 05:13 AM
And one day when Bud goes away the ******* will pay! :evil

TheKingofKings
12-02-2006, 06:05 AM
And one day when Bud goes away the ******* will pay! :evil
You wanna tone down your atttitude a bit? :D

JordanDL3891
12-02-2006, 06:22 AM
the teams with the best reccord this year were the Mets and the Yankees.
(94 wins each)

the best team in baseball were the cards this year. Im glad they made the playoffs, the playoffs would be broing without the best team.

But don't worry cubs fans, sence 2002, every team that has won the world series, has failed at least one year at making it into 1 playoffs. (White Sox, Red Sox 2006, marlins - all of them, Angles - 2006 & another one or 2)

redlegsfan21
12-02-2006, 07:46 AM
In the end Selig's reign will be seen as a great success - the game is much more prosperous than when he stepped in.

In twenty years no one will care one iota about Selig and his relationship to the wild card or some silly tied AS game or any of the other petty complaints. History doesn't care about that crap.

Eventually, the steroid responsibility will fall on those that it should - the fraudulent conduct of the players. Management (in whatever industry) has always been behind the eight ball when it comes to employee misconduct.
I totally agree with you bkmckenna. The wild card has brought attendance up and in Cincinnati, ticket prices went down (1/2 priced tickets) in order to get fans to the games. What if the World Series had only the best teams from each league. National League attendance would have been horrible after the big lead the Mets got.

The All-Star Game tie was not Selig's fault, it was Joe Torre and Bob Brenley's fault. I will always stand by that.

The steroid controversy, I blame on the Union and Ferr. They were finally pushed into steroid testing when Congress got interested. Plus, I believe steroids helped the game after the strike with the '98 home run chase (THAT YOU LOVED). Make sure you look at both sides before blaming one person.

Brian McKenna
12-02-2006, 07:50 AM
Plus, I believe steroids helped the game after the strike with the '98 home run chase (THAT YOU LOVED).

Good and often overlooked point

Plus, the great interest sparked by the remarkable late-career metamorphosis of Bonds and Clemens. And the Home Run Derby and the Home Run in general.

redlegsfan21
12-02-2006, 07:55 AM
Well, how many times has an 85 win team (or fewer) won the WS since the advent of the WC? As a matter of fact, how many sub-90 wins teams have won it?
Since '69 with the adding of the Championship Series (excluding '81)
Sub 90 Winners-1987 Minnesota Twins (85), 2000 New York Yankees (87), 2006 St. Louis Cardinals (83).

wilkerson_rulz-06
12-02-2006, 09:01 AM
You wanna tone down your atttitude a bit? :D
I keep my emotions far from my attitude!:o

Astro
12-02-2006, 12:48 PM
That type was a lot less likely under the format, but if it up to me (perfect world scenario) there would only be two teams making the post-season, as there was from 1905 to 1968.

That 85 win champion was just a shade less pathetic than the '06 Cards.
And I'm glad you arent commisioner... very very very very glad, then again I'm not so sure baseball would be around too long with you as commish anyway

Knick9
12-02-2006, 04:40 PM
I dislike Bud Selig with a passion, and I am quite thankful that he's headed out after the 2009 season.

Not that it needs to be posted again, but what Bud did wrong in his tenure:

* 1994 strike, leading to no World Series

* He threatened to contract the Twins and Expos in 2001. That was a low blow.

* 2002 All-Star game declared a tie. Ridiculous. He jumped the gun and binded under the pressure that was, really, not that much pressure to begin with.

* The idea of having the All-Star game determine home field advantage for the World Series. That wasn't in the interest of the fans no matter which way you cut this cake. I'm sure they didn't ask Bud to add that into the event.

* Though he would eventually establish a steroid policy for the players, the timing of doing so was very horrible. He had all that time to do something in the early years of his tenure but didn't do a thing. He was forced to establish it during the time the feds got on his case. Once again, he binded under the pressure.

You see, binding under the pressure is not how a commissioner should act. You're supposed to have some backbone and some courage. You are the head dude. Be a leader. You run the show. Show that you can lead the league through trouble. Show that you care.

Who knows how the next commish will do to top Bud? :rolleyes:

Astro
12-02-2006, 07:41 PM
* 2002 All-Star game declared a tie. Ridiculous. He jumped the gun and binded under the pressure that was, really, not that much pressure to begin with.

WHO CARES????????????????? Honestly, its an All-Star game, the managers used all of the pitchers, are the pitchers supposed to risk injury in a meaningless game so their league can win a meaningless game?

I laugh when people bring this up, USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE

Williamsburg2599
12-02-2006, 08:47 PM
WHO CARES????????????????? Honestly, its an All-Star game, the managers used all of the pitchers, are the pitchers supposed to risk injury in a meaningless game so their league can win a meaningless game?

I laugh when people bring this up, USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE
No it's not meaningless,Bud says it counts, remember?

Honus Wagner Rules
12-02-2006, 09:36 PM
No it's not meaningless,Bud says it counts, remember?
It didn't count in 2002! Everyone stop using the stupid All-Star tie. It's moronic.

Williamsburg2599
12-02-2006, 10:11 PM
It didn't count in 2002! Everyone stop using the stupid All-Star tie. It's moronic.
I find it moronic that one year it can be a silly, meaningless game, not even being finished and the next we suppose to care about the outcome

Astro
12-02-2006, 10:13 PM
No it's not meaningless,Bud says it counts, remember?
Thats because people like you cried about it when it didnt count

W_Marone
12-02-2006, 10:26 PM
WHO CARES????????????????? Honestly, its an All-Star game, the managers used all of the pitchers, are the pitchers supposed to risk injury in a meaningless game so their league can win a meaningless game?

I laugh when people bring this up, USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE

Actually....the national league still had Vicente Padilla and the AL had Freddy Garcia left to pitch, from what I remember...I'm not sure on Garcia, but I know Padilla was left, each could have gone at least an inning.... but that's beside the point, all star game is fun, I'm not sure I like the idea of the all star game meangin homefield in the series, but it's not really a huge deal to me..

Brian McKenna
12-02-2006, 10:31 PM
, but it's not really a huge deal to me..

It's not a big deal...some just need something to cry about.

Williamsburg2599
12-02-2006, 10:37 PM
Thats because people like you cried about it when it didnt count
"People like me" never wanted it to count for anything.

W_Marone
12-02-2006, 10:37 PM
I dont know...to me, the whole steriods thing just frustrated me, how it was handled and stuff like that...I dont know....and I still dont really like the 50 game suspension for steroid positivity testing...I think it should be lifetime on the first, but hey, that's just my opinion.

redlegsfan21
12-03-2006, 09:28 AM
Here is the situation. Bob Brenley and Joe Torre used up all of their available pitchers. So they go to Bud Selig and place their problem on him. This is when it becomes Selig's alleged fault. Selig comes up with about the most logical thing but fans now insist that the game should have continued. So, what are we going to do, have pitching coaches pitch, have the outfielders pitch. The only thing that could have been done is delay the game to another day (probably Wednesday or Thursday) but players are going back to their teams. How about calling other pitchers. Again the Wednesday or Thursday game. Now, what also could have been done is breaking the rules of baseball and bring back previously used pitchers. It's always nice to break the rules **coughs DH**, **coughs steroids**. So, fans are outraged with a tie that started with Brenley and Torre. Bud Selig has to try to find a way to have managers conserve pitchers. Well, managers are going to do what they have been doing for the past 10-15 years. How do you prevent this, by making the game count for something. Now I disagree with this BUT IT IS WHAT THE FANS WANTED, they wanted the All-Star Game to mean something because apparently it meant something to them. And that is my review of the 2002 All-Star Game.

Honus Wagner Rules
12-04-2006, 11:18 AM
I find it moronic that one year it can be a silly, meaningless game, not even being finished and the next we suppose to care about the outcome
Well of course using the All-Star for determining home field advantage for the World Series is dumb. But it's more dumb to blame the All-Star game tie on Selig.

Captain Cold Nose
12-05-2006, 08:49 AM
The 2006 Cardinals may have only won 83 games, but they are not an 83-win team. The last few years have shown that. Their winning the world series should not be held as an indictment against Selig. As a Tiger fan, I have no shame for seeing them lose to the Cardinals. How they lost, though, is another story. Still happy with the season regardless.

Colorado Express
12-05-2006, 11:16 AM
I won't give Bud two thumbs-up, but I'll proudly give him one thumbs-up, despite the fact that he tried to contract the Twins!!!

Brian McKenna
12-05-2006, 11:41 AM
Well of course using the All-Star for determining home field advantage for the World Series is dumb.

Is it actually so much dumber than alternating years? How often does one team actually get affected negatively in one method over the other?

How often does the hometown team actually win? Over the course of ML history since 1876, I bet the number is strikingly close to 50%, maybe a little over or a little under.

hudsonharden
12-05-2006, 03:35 PM
A lot of my friends are counting down the days until George W. Bush is out of office... anyone here know the exact day Selig's contract is up so I can begin counting the days for him?

redlegsfan21
12-05-2006, 07:56 PM
Is it actually so much dumber than alternating years? How often does one team actually get affected negatively in one method over the other?

How often does the hometown team actually win? Over the course of ML history since 1876, I bet the number is strikingly close to 50%, maybe a little over or a little under.
Anyone want to take this research up. I would do it but I couldn't get started until tomorrow afternoon and who knows if I'll remember to do it.

W_Marone
12-07-2006, 08:58 PM
From a former friend of he site, Ed Hardiman, hope he doesnt mind I posted this on here....if so, my apolegies sir.

Bud Selig, the gutless weasel, Baseball Commissioner, will step down at the end of his contract in 2009.

Selig twiddled his thumbs, while steroids ravaged the record books.

Selig yawned, while ballclubs raped countless fans for new stadiums, then did nothing, when greedy owners priced seats so only corporations could afford them.

Selig shrugged, while Bonds, McGwire & Sosa crapped all over the likes of Mays, Ruth and Aaron.

Selig's last and greatest infamy?

To treat Bonds breaking Aaron's career HR record as a landmark event.

A capstone if you will to the reign of the single worst Commissioner baseball ever had or will have.

Let's hear it from the mouth of Bozo the Swine himself:

"Hank understands the position we find ourselves in, and if Barry Bonds breaks the record it will be so commemorated..."

I am at a loss for words.

cardsfanatic
12-07-2006, 09:04 PM
Here is the situation. Bob Brenley and Joe Torre used up all of their available pitchers. So they go to Bud Selig and place their problem on him. This is when it becomes Selig's alleged fault. Selig comes up with about the most logical thing but fans now insist that the game should have continued. So, what are we going to do, have pitching coaches pitch, have the outfielders pitch. The only thing that could have been done is delay the game to another day (probably Wednesday or Thursday) but players are going back to their teams. How about calling other pitchers. Again the Wednesday or Thursday game. Now, what also could have been done is breaking the rules of baseball and bring back previously used pitchers. It's always nice to break the rules **coughs DH**, **coughs steroids**. So, fans are outraged with a tie that started with Brenley and Torre. Bud Selig has to try to find a way to have managers conserve pitchers. Well, managers are going to do what they have been doing for the past 10-15 years. How do you prevent this, by making the game count for something. Now I disagree with this BUT IT IS WHAT THE FANS WANTED, they wanted the All-Star Game to mean something because apparently it meant something to them. And that is my review of the 2002 All-Star Game.

*nods*

I think Selig gets a bum rap, really.

W_Marone
12-07-2006, 09:43 PM
*nods*

I think Selig gets a bum rap, really.


Except there was still a pitcher avalible for each team....Vicente Padilla and Freddy Garcia....

Skin & Bones
12-07-2006, 09:56 PM
From a former friend of he site, Ed Hardiman, hope he doesnt mind I posted this on here....if so, my apolegies sir.

Bud Selig, the gutless weasel, Baseball Commissioner, will step down at the end of his contract in 2009.

Selig twiddled his thumbs, while steroids ravaged the record books.

Selig yawned, while ballclubs raped countless fans for new stadiums, then did nothing, when greedy owners priced seats so only corporations could afford them.

Selig shrugged, while Bonds, McGwire & Sosa crapped all over the likes of Mays, Ruth and Aaron.

Selig's last and greatest infamy?

To treat Bonds breaking Aaron's career HR record as a landmark event.

A capstone if you will to the reign of the single worst Commissioner baseball ever had or will have.

Let's hear it from the mouth of Bozo the Swine himself:

"Hank understands the position we find ourselves in, and if Barry Bonds breaks the record it will be so commemorated..."

I am at a loss for words.

The guy sounds pretty bitter.

Astro
12-07-2006, 10:30 PM
The guy sounds pretty bitter.
Sounds pretty clueless aswell

W_Marone
12-07-2006, 10:46 PM
Sounds pretty clueless aswell

Except Ed Hardiman was a top ten finalist in the future great sports writier contest on fox sports blogs. Astro, you seem to be a guy who thinks " this guy doesnt agree with me, so he lacks intellegence, or a guy who beleives since he "plays" baseball he has the upper hand in knowledge around here. It's always a "clueless, he doesnt understand this, but since I'm a ballplayer I understand, I know whats up" Your opinions are different as are everyone elses, respect them, dont diss them simply becuase you do not agree.

You can talk about revenue sharing, all star game winners, but the one thing that will be remembered most in Selig's reign will be dealing with steroids....so bad that the federal government felt it necessary to get involved, even now, a 50 game fine for testing posotive, nothing more than a slap on the wrist compared to the year bans and harsher bans implimented in track and cycling. Now the most prolific record in sports will be broken by a complete cheater, and another one has been broken by numerous "cheaters" and Selig simply watched as the most respected records in baseball were broken by meat head roiders trying to get thier name into the record books and Cooperstown....I comend Ed Hardiman, and always will, for his writings.

JamesWest
12-07-2006, 11:04 PM
You can talk about revenue sharing, all star game winners, but the one thing that will be remembered most in Selig's reign will be dealing with steroids....so bad that the federal government felt it necessary to get involved, even now, a 50 game fine for testing posotive, nothing more than a slap on the wrist compared to the year bans and harsher bans implimented in track and cycling. Now the most prolific record in sports will be broken by a complete cheater, and another one has been broken by numerous "cheaters" and Selig simply watched as the most respected records in baseball were broken by meat head roiders trying to get thier name into the record books and Cooperstown....I comend Ed Hardiman, and always will, for his writings.

I think Ed Hardiman is about exactly right, especially about steroids and pricing the average fan out of the ballpark. The mystique of the homerun records are gone. I remember a lot of excitement when Aaron was chasing Ruth (not all of it good, of course), where is that now with Bonds chasing Aaron?

Brian McKenna
12-07-2006, 11:18 PM
The government didn't have to get involved because of Selig himself. It was because of the adversarial relationship between management and the union which Selig had something to do with but not overwhelmingly so.

Astro
12-08-2006, 02:42 PM
Except Ed Hardiman was a top ten finalist in the future great sports writier contest on fox sports blogs. Astro, you seem to be a guy who thinks " this guy doesnt agree with me, so he lacks intellegence, or a guy who beleives since he "plays" baseball he has the upper hand in knowledge around here. It's always a "clueless, he doesnt understand this, but since I'm a ballplayer I understand, I know whats up" Your opinions are different as are everyone elses, respect them, dont diss them simply becuase you do not agree.

You can talk about revenue sharing, all star game winners, but the one thing that will be remembered most in Selig's reign will be dealing with steroids....so bad that the federal government felt it necessary to get involved, even now, a 50 game fine for testing posotive, nothing more than a slap on the wrist compared to the year bans and harsher bans implimented in track and cycling. Now the most prolific record in sports will be broken by a complete cheater, and another one has been broken by numerous "cheaters" and Selig simply watched as the most respected records in baseball were broken by meat head roiders trying to get thier name into the record books and Cooperstown....I comend Ed Hardiman, and always will, for his writings.

Bud Selig, the gutless weasel, Baseball Commissioner, will step down at the end of his contract in 2009

Selig twiddled his thumbs, while steroids ravaged the record books. --- But it was, infact, former commissioner's faults for allowing it to go so far, steroids have been rampant in baseball since well before the 90's and well before Selig's tenure, to say it is HIS fault is just misinformed

Selig yawned, while ballclubs raped countless fans for new stadiums, then did nothing, when greedy owners priced seats so only corporations could afford them. --- What is he supposed to do? Change the CBA without player's approval? Institute a salary cap without approval from players or teams? There is a simple way to get prices down, dont attend games and force the clubs to lose money... again misinformed

Selig shrugged, while Bonds, McGwire & Sosa crapped all over the likes of Mays, Ruth and Aaron. --- Again, is he supposed to be able to change the CBA to include steroid testing?

Selig's last and greatest infamy?

To treat Bonds breaking Aaron's career HR record as a landmark event. --- It is, it is a personal opinion if it should be celebrated or not, I have no problem with it, many many people have no problem with it... just the outspoken minority complain about it, when they should ask themselves how was Selig supposed to stop it from happening, he cant change the CBA in the middle of a season just because something like this is going to happen

A capstone if you will to the reign of the single worst Commissioner baseball ever had or will have. --- In his opinion, but his opinion is very misinformed

Let's hear it from the mouth of Bozo the Swine himself: --- The Bozo seems to be writing this article

"Hank understands the position we find ourselves in, and if Barry Bonds breaks the record it will be so commemorated..."

I am at a loss for words. --- Thank God