Jays sign Clayton !!! [Archive]

EvanAparra

01-01-2002, 06:15 AM

IF you can actually RELAX, you're making such a big deal out of a washed-up 35 something player.
If you call saying that he's better than Alex Cora making a big deal about him...

Chris from NY

01-01-2002, 07:50 AM

I didn't think anyone is making a big deal out of it. We're all baseball fans discussing baseball. What do you want us to do, not talk about baseball players? I don't see how we know he wasn't relaxed when he typed that.

TheKingofKings

11-29-2006, 06:18 PM

According to TSN, the Jays have signed SS Royce Clayton to a 1-year contract.
According to MLB.COM, he would be the Jays starting SS

Richmond Hill Phoenix

11-29-2006, 07:58 PM

Jays Sign Clayton (http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061129&content_id=1747648&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor)

Let me just say that I really hope no one backs out of this one!!!

The article doesn't really say whether or not he will be the starter.

What this does mean is that Aaron Hill will be playing 2B. I think that this is a better option. As the article says, we can afford to have a defensive SS with the addition of Frank Thomas. I like where we're going.

Now sign a SP!!!

SwissRedSoxFan

11-29-2006, 08:57 PM

Thanks for taking one of the worst player out of the free agent market...:D

EvanAparra

11-29-2006, 08:58 PM

Thanks for taking one of the worst player out of the free agent market...:D
At least they have a SS, cant say the same for the Red Sox.

leecemark

11-29-2006, 09:36 PM

--Is Clayton better than Alex Cora?

EvanAparra

11-29-2006, 09:37 PM

--Is Clayton better than Alex Cora?

Most definately.

leecemark

11-29-2006, 09:47 PM

--Are we talking about the Royce Clayton who posted the 66 OPS+ last season? Or whose best OPS+ in the last 7 years was 84? A long time ago Clayton was an okay hitter and a very good defender. The corpse of that player is an absolutely terrible hitter and mediocore defender who somehow still gets a paycheck based on the reputation of his modest success in yesteryear.

Chris from NY

11-29-2006, 11:38 PM

I like the signing of Clayton. He may be a mediocre hitter, but who cares? He'll be batting in the ninth spot most likely anyway. His defence is still good and he stole something like 15 bases last year. Plus the his contract leaves room for the more important signings that are still to be made i.e. Pitching.

Dodgerfan1

11-30-2006, 02:53 AM

Clayton's FP has actually improved from 2000-2006 compared to what it was from '91-'99. He has certainly lost a step on the basepaths, and that probably translates over to his SS position, as well, meaning his range has suffered, so his FP is likely based on balls that he doesn't have to go too far to his left or right to get to. A shortstop with limited range can become a liability in certain situations. His BA has remained about the same since he began. It has always fluctuated between .280 and .250, or so. Lifetime .258 hitter.

Clayton is a body to place at short, nothing more, IMHO. At this point in his career, I'd say that as long as he's not a liability, he'll be okay. I don't think he brings a lot to the table. I would call him a notch above 'serviceable.' Just my opinion though....

And yes, he's better than Cora!

Richmond Hill Phoenix

11-30-2006, 05:44 AM

Yup. And he's better than John MacDonald too.

Chris from NY

11-30-2006, 11:09 AM

Long story short, the Jays will make due with Clayton as a shortstop and will do something to further address their shortstop situation in one year's time. Whether that be someone already in the system (Hill, Adams, Santos), or another free agent. Either way, Clayton sigining won't hurt the Jays. Ohay, TKOK. couldn't this have been put in the offseason thread as well?:noidea

PJ-34

11-30-2006, 01:57 PM

I'm not "thrilled" but I am glad the Jays were able to sign a pretty good SS, that's exactly what we needed, to sign Zaun and a SS and we did it, and it seems big Frank is happy to be in Toronto. Now we need a starting pitcher or two and J.P can relax in his manssion lol. Also he can steal bases and that is also good for the Jays.

Big_Mac

12-02-2006, 09:31 AM

SwissRedSoxFan

12-02-2006, 03:01 PM

Most definately.

Never ever. I watched Clayton with the Diamondbacks, he was terrible. I'm shocked that somebody like him gets a ML-contract.

It shows the desperation of baseballteams.

Chris from NY

12-02-2006, 04:28 PM

Speakng of teamsdesperate for shortstops, who's Boston's shortstop right now? Exactly.

EvanAparra

12-02-2006, 04:35 PM

Never ever. I watched Clayton with the Diamondbacks, he was terrible. I'm shocked that somebody like him gets a ML-contract.

It shows the desperation of baseballteams.

I think you're dreaming if you think of Cora as anything but a back up infielder.

Clayton - .258/.307/.341
Cora - .238/.312/.298

And Clayton's was over 200 more ABs.

Cora's stats were even worse in '05, and they are significantly worse on the road then they are at home. I wouldn't have even given him a major league contract, you could call someone up from AAA and he would probably be better than Cora, you should be shocked that HE got a contract.

TheKingofKings

12-02-2006, 04:52 PM

I think you're dreaming if you think of Cora as anything but a back up infielder.

Clayton - .258/.307/.341
Cora - .238/.312/.298

And Clayton's was over 200 more ABs.

Cora's stats were even worse in '05, and they are significantly worse on the road then they are at home. I wouldn't have even given him a major league contract, you could call someone up from AAA and he would probably be better than Cora, you should be shocked that HE got a contract.

I agree with you totally but the only thing that keeps him in the Big Leagues is his stellar defense.

EvanAparra

12-02-2006, 04:55 PM

I agree with you totally but the only thing that keeps him in the Big Leagues is his stellar defense.
Even that seems to be fading -- RF of 3.68, League Average is 4.02
While Clayton is right about average. Neither of these guys are good SS, but I still think Clayton is more servicable than Cora.

wilkerson_rulz-06

12-03-2006, 07:15 AM

Oh man, he was in Washington and was plain HORRIBLE for 8/10 times, I realised he sucks anywhere else than the 2 hole which he probably won't hit in Toronto, so, good luck with another deception!

wilkerson_rulz-06

12-03-2006, 07:16 AM

I agree with you totally but the only thing that keeps him in the Big Leagues is his stellar defense.
Pardon me!

Stellar defense? He was atrocious at SS last season for Washington and made many bad plays, I don't know if you're talking about the 2006 Clayton or the 2005 one.

TheKingofKings

12-03-2006, 07:28 AM

Pardon me!

Stellar defense? He was atrocious at SS last season for Washington and made many bad plays, I don't know if you're talking about the 2006 Clayton or the 2005 one.

If you actually read of WHOM I was talking about, you would of realised I was talking about ALEX CORA and not ROYCE CLAYTON.

wilkerson_rulz-06

12-03-2006, 07:29 AM

If you actually read of WHOM I was talking about, you would of realised I was talking about ALEX CORA and not ROYCE CLAYTON.
IF you can actually RELAX, you're making such a big deal out of a washed-up 35 something player.

skeletor

12-05-2006, 11:42 AM

IF you can actually RELAX, you're making such a big deal out of a washed-up 35 something player.

How true, how true...a marginal signing..which shows the lack of decent Shortstops available..Doesn't the Jays have anyone in their system ? ready to be brought up ? Clayton really stank out with the Nats...he's certainly on a downsize curve to retirement...in my opinion

Chris from NY

12-05-2006, 12:37 PM

There isn't really anyone in the system who has proven themselves ready for the number one job at short. Russ Adams played poorly in that role last season and will have to work hard in AAA to prove himself capable of playing everyday. Sergio Santos is the only other guy I can think of off hand. I don't know how close he is to being ready for the magor leagues. Hopefully someone who knows more about the Skychiefs than I do will know more about Santos.

PJ-34

12-23-2006, 08:24 AM

i clayton was signed as a guy that can hold down the fort for a year til we find a long-term solution or until santos or another guy steps up. clayton's one of those quadriple-a players from what i've heard so i won't expect anything spectacular but if he can play some defense, which was priority in signing a ss, i'm happy.

Sergio Santos I think is too young to play full time for the Jays but he would be a good september call-up foresure. Of course he went on that huge I forget how long hitting streak abut still his average ended at something like
.200-.150. Royce Clayton is a great guy for this season while the Jays can scout for a new younger one. I'm not saying a prospect. I'm saying a good young 2B-SS that has deffinent expiriance.

The Kid

12-23-2006, 01:28 PM

At least they have a SS, cant say the same for the Red Sox.

We've got Julio Lugo.

Chris from NY

12-23-2006, 03:13 PM

The Devil Rays had Lugo last year, It didn't do too much for them. He didn't do much for the Dodgers either.

EvanAparra

12-23-2006, 03:17 PM

The Devil Rays had Lugo last year, It didn't do too much for them. He didn't do much for the Dodgers either.

This doesn't make sense to me. He was very good in Tampa, how is one player supposed to make the worst team in baseball a contender?

Chris from NY

12-23-2006, 10:01 PM

Ya, but it doesn't make sense t ome that a Red Sox fan would come and reply to the statement that the Red Sox have no SS, when it was posted before Lugo was signed. Obviously Lugo is Boston's SS, but he wasn't when you made your statement, so clearly kepthefaith3 made an entirely useless post. So I made an equally useless post that had some common sense to it at least. My comment was almost as irrelevant as saying "We've got Julio Lugo."