CKL 1964 Rookie Draft

[leecemark]

--Welcome to the 1964 Classic Keeper League Rookie Draft. The live draft commences at 8PM EST on Friday, November 10th. The Stingers (and any other team whose turn opens up after them) may predraft beginning now.


1st Round

Stingers - Phil Neikro (1 or 12M)
Pirates - Luis Tiant (1 or 12M)
Gold Sox - Tony Conigliaro (1M)
Gamblers - Mel Stottlemyre (1M)
Knights from Diablos - Sonny Siebert (750K)
Shoeless Joes - Tony Perez (750K)
Legends - Jim Northrup (750K)
Redbirds - Billy McCool (500K)
Redbirds from Knights from Cannons - Clay Carroll (500K)
Cannons from Skipjacks - Bert Campaneris (750K)
Gamblers from Hard Cider - Bob Lee (500K)
Pirates from Knights - Pete Mikkelson (250K)



2nd Round

Stingers - Johnny Briggs (500K)
Knights from Pirates - Larry Dierker (250K)
Gold Sox - Steve Blass (250K)
Hard Cider from Gamblers - Rick Reichart (250K)
Diablos - Bill Singer (250K)
Shoeless Joes - Alex Johnson (250K)
Legends - John Odom (250K)
Redbirds - Paul Blair (250K)
Knights from Cannons - Jack Aker (250K)
Skipjacks - Joe Sparma (250K)
Knights from Hard Cider - Wes Parker (250K)
Knights - Dave Boswell (250K)

3rd Round

Stingers - Rick Wise (250K)
Pirates -Danny Cater (250K)
Gold Sox - Lou Pinella (250K)
Gamblers - Gordy Richardson (250K)
Knights from Diablos - Adolpho Phillips (250K)
Shoeless Joes - Tommy Helms (250K)
Legends - Bobby Knoop (250K)
----Redbirds (forfeit due to playing time violation)
Cannons - Duke Sims (250K)
Skipjacks - Chico Salmon (250K)
Cannons from Hard Cider - Bill Kelso (250K)
Shoeless Joes from Knights - Dick Kelley (250K)

4th Round
-all players 250K
Knights from Stingers - Mel Queen
Pirates - Jay Ritchie
Gold Sox - Ken Sanders
Gamblers - pass
Diablos - Frank Bertania
Shoeless Joes - Dennis Ribant
Legends - Tony Horton
Redbirds - Hal Lanier
Cannons - Dalton Jones
Skipjacks - Paul Schaal
Red Birds from Hard Cider - Sandy Alomar
Stingers from Knights - Jerry May
5th round
--all player 250K
Stingers - Walt Williams
Pirates - Roger Repoz
Gold Sox - Randy Hundley
Gamblers - pass
Diablos - Bob Klaus
Shoeless Joes - Micky Stanley
Legends - Darrell Griffith
Redbirds - Bill Wakefield
Cannons - Willie Crawford
Skipjacks - pass
Hard Cider - Jack Hiatt
Knghts - Rich Reese

6th round
--all players 250K
Stingers - Don Kessinger
Pirates - pass
Gold Sox - Tom Kelley
Gamblers - pass
Diablos - Chico Ruiz
Shoeless Joes - Darrell Sutherland
Legends - pass
Redbirds - pass
Cannons - pass
Skipjacks - pass
Hard Cider - Masanori Murakami
Knights - John Purdin

[Wasp]

I guess I'll start early and pick SP Phil Niekro.

[leecemark]

--That would have been my choice too. Are you going to make him a bonus baby and put the franchise tag on?

[leecemark]

--Max, I've PMed you a couple trade offers and not heard back. Even if they don't interest you at all, I'd appreciate a reply.

[Edgartohof]

The Pirates, with the 2nd pick of the 1964 rookie draft are pleased to announce that they choose Starting Pitcher: Luis Tiant.

The front office had this to say: "We are happy to have the opportunity to work with such a talented athlete. We feel that despite his young age, 23 years old, he can be an immediate asset to this team, and help us down the road for many years to come."

[leecemark]

--Will he be getting the franchise tag?

[Edgartohof]

--Will he be getting the franchise tag?

Can I get back to you on that or do I have to let you know now?

[leecemark]

--You can get back to me. You'll have to decide before we get to the free agent bidding.

[Erik Bedard]

If I can go, I'll take TONY CONIGLIARO.

A reach, but he helps a lot right away.

[leecemark]

--I think its safe to say he won't be getting the franchise tag. Nice to be able to see the future with that one. He is definately the biggest immediate impact player though.

[mac195]

I forget, what are the rules about rookies who don't play much in their first couple seasons? Bill Singer, for instance. Would he not become a free agent until 1973?

[leecemark]

--Everyone drafted this year will be a free agent after 1969. Dropping the provisions for starting the clock later was part of the deal when we adopted the hometown discount rule.

[leecemark]

--The Knights have acquired minor league 3B Don Wert from the Shoeless Joes for a third rounder in this draft and a second rounder in 1968.

[jkc32]

Trade between the Knights and Shoeless is confirmed.

I was hoping Conigliaro would last until pick 6...bummer!

Lew, I'll send the draft list in a few hours (Thanks!).

[Edgartohof]

Trade between the Knights and Shoeless is confirmed.

I was hoping Conigliaro would last until pick 6...bummer!

Lew, I'll send the draft list in a few hours (Thanks!).
Hey, I was hoping he would last until pick 12.

[leecemark]

--I've got the Gamblers proxy. They select pitcher Mel Stottlemyre.

[Erik Bedard]

Not a chance. I've got a very potent middle of the order with him, Wagner, and Callison. :cool:

[Erik Bedard]

Aw, Stottlemyre was my second pick available. And it'll be a miracle if my first choice available lasts to my next pick.

[leecemark]

--The Knights select pitcher Sonny Siebert. This was a tough call. I had been planning to take a pitcher from the time I first got this pick and scouted the draft, but Tony Perez sliding down had me rethinking the issue. I had him rated as the best position player in the draft and I may regret sticking to the plan when he is a 30 HR a year 3b in the late 60s. Siebert helps NOW though and my rotation would be in trouble next season without adding a quality starter. Sonny is pretty good through all 6 years under control (and beyond) so Perez can slip a little further to some lucky owner.

[Erik Bedard]

Yep, I had a tough choice between Tony C and Perez, but Tony C helps more immediately (and him being among my all-time favorites didn't hurt either :p). I can't wait to see what he'll do in the friendly confines of Wrigley.

[leecemark]

--I think they aren't quite as friendly as Fenway. Conigliaro does give you 4 good years right out the gate, but your outfield was pretty strong for this year already. Davis makes a pretty pricey 4th outfielder.

[Edgartohof]

Just figured I'd get back to you, but I am not putting the franchise tage on Tiant.

[jkc32]

The Shoeless Joe's select Tony Perez. I would have preferred Siebert or Stottlemyer but Perez will fit nicely in a couple of seasons.

Lew, did you get my draft list?

[Erik Bedard]

--I think they aren't quite as friendly as Fenway. Conigliaro does give you 4 good years right out the gate, but your outfield was pretty strong for this year already. Davis makes a pretty pricey 4th outfielder.

True, true. I'm open to dealing any one of my OFs, except Callison and Conigliaro. Preferably, I'd deal Davis, Harper, and Covington, or just throw Harper in the minors until he's relly ready, and only deal Covington or Davis.

[leecemark]

--Perez is a super value with the 6th pick, I hated passing him up. Maybe we can do some business, Joe.

[jkc32]

Would be tough to deal him, especially since I'm targeting his good seasons for a decent run at the title. But, I'd certainly listen to any offers.

[Erik Bedard]

Check your PMs.

[catcher24]

Yes, Joe, I got your list. I sent you a PM, but to let everyone else know (and explain why I held things up a bit) I had to go to a doctor in Erie today and just got back (6 PM EST). I was just ready to make the Perez jpick for Joe, but in reading the posts I see he has done that. So, that brings things down to my pick. No doubt in my mind over this one. If Perez had still been available, that would have made the choice somewhat more difficult. Since Perez was taken by Joe, that still leaves (a bit surprisingly to me) the player I had ranked fourth on my list. And Mark will know who this pick is without even looking!

The Legends select outfielder:

http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/d4/98/c3_1.JPG

JIM NORTHRUP

[Erik Bedard]

Northrup was high on my list as well. Just not as high as Conigliaro. I had him fifth, after Tiant, Niekro, Conigliaro, and Perez.

[catcher24]

To be honest, Tony C. wasn't on my list at all. A great talent for the next four years, but the time frame didn't work for my team. Certainly was a good pick for you, though, Dan, although in that position I probably would've gone with Perez.

[leecemark]

--Redbirds have the next two picks, their own and the Cannons (via the Knights). Clocks starts ticking at the top of the hour, so hopefully Scott will arrive on scene soon.

[leecemark]

--The Knights have completed a deal with the Stingers, sending relief pitcher Billy Stafford and our 4th round pick to Waspville for Junior Gilliam and their 4th round pick.

[Wasp]

--The Knights have completed a deal with the Stingers, sending relief pitcher Billy Stafford and our 4th round pick to Waspville for Junior Gilliam and their 4th round pick.

I confirm the deal.

[Erik Bedard]

Just announcing that I'm semi-present.

[Edgartohof]

Well, I figure to come away from this draft fairly happy, filling up a couple spots. I'm 5 picks away from my 2nd choice, and if luck will have it (and I think it will), I will be able to get who I want.

[leecemark]

--Its after 8EST by my clock, but (as usual) the BBF clock is behind - by about 20 minutes now. We'll give the Redbirds until 5 after BBF time before moving on.

[catcher24]

Good pickup for you, Mark. Gilliam bounces back with a pretty decent year in 65. And Stafford can help Max this year, as well as in 65. Not a big trade, but decent for both sides.

[catcher24]

Jim, you here yet?

[catcher24]

BBF time check.

WOW! BBF time is WAY off my time - about 25 minutes.

[leecemark]

--Okay we're 5 past by BBF time - and nearly 30 by real time. Redbirds picks are deferred and Cannons (from Skipjacks) are on the clock.

[538280]

Bert Campaneris

http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/bert_campaneris2.jpg

[Edgartohof]

Bert Camapneris

Didn't figure he would last long

I would have loved tohave his speed on the bases, and could have platooned him at SS this season

[leecemark]

--The Gamblers (from Hard Cider) take relief pitcher Bob Lee. Nice pick up for them. He dominates for 2 seasons and has another good one before burning out.
--Pirates (from Knights) are on the clock.

[leecemark]

--And the Pirates select.....

[538280]

Glad to get Campy-I wasn't expecting to get him with my pick, but of course Scott not being here helped a bit with that (sorry Scott!)

[catcher24]

Mark - Scott not being here has presented a small problem. I presume his two slots will still be one 750K salary (#8) and one 500K salary (#9), while the Pirates pick will be the last of the 500K players, with everyone else coming in at 250K. Is that the way you figure it as well?

[leecemark]

--I don't want to let the Redbirds slip too far in the draft. I asked Mac to fill in, since he has no picks though 3 rounds, but he has to leave. If no one has any objections I will make Scott's picks at the end of this round and if he doesn't like my players he can throw them back and take someone else when he checks in.

[mac195]

Come on people, this is a live draft. What the heck are y'all waitin on?

[catcher24]

I guess that would be OK. I might get a little torqued if you take on of my picks for Scott, then Scott throws him back after my next selection and someone else grabs him,:rolleyes: :laugh
But thems the breaks.

[mac195]

I have to go.

1. McCool
2. Carroll
3. Reichardt
4. Blair
5. Parker

[catcher24]

It does seem to be dragging tonight, doesn't it? But having slow owners will sure help in the free agent bidding, especially the non-premium FA!:laugh

[catcher24]

Posted by Mac:
I have to go.

1. McCool
2. Carroll
3. Reichardt
4. Blair
5. Parker

HUH!!??:noidea

Are these picks for Scott, with McCool being #8 and Carroll #9? And the other three his next picks if they're still around when Scott's turn comes up next?

[leecemark]

Mark - Scott not being here has presented a small problem. I presume his two slots will still be one 750K salary (#8) and one 500K salary (#9), while the Pirates pick will be the last of the 500K players, with everyone else coming in at 250K. Is that the way you figure it as well?

--I guess we could do it either way, but I was assigning salary slots (see post 1) based on actual pick slot. That made Campaneris a 750K player. Chris gets a little better player than he might have for a little more money.

[catcher24]

OK, that sounds fair to me. But I don't know if it'll sound fair to Chris!!:laugh

[Erik Bedard]

OK, I am now fully here.

[leecemark]

--Robert you have been on the clock a long time. 60 seconds and I'm making the Redbirds picks. I'll use Mac's list while it lasts.

[538280]

--I guess we could do it either way, but I was assigning salary slots (see post 1) based on actual pick slot. That made Campaneris a 750K player. Chris gets a little better player than he might have for a little more money.

Well, I don't want to be selfish, but I don't think I should have to pay more because Scott isn't here. I got a better player because of that, which is an benefit but it still isn't really fair to make me pay more for him. I'm not going to be abrasive about it, but that's just what I think would be fair.

[leecemark]

--Okay McCool and Carroll to the Redbirds. 60 more seconds and the Pirates get a pass with the Stingers up to start round 2.l

[leecemark]

Well, I don't want to be selfish, but I don't think I should have to pay more because Scott isn't here. I got a better player because of that, which is an benefit but it still isn't really fair to make me pay more for him. I'm not going to be abrasive about it, but that's just what I think would be fair.

--We're only talking about 1/4 of 1 % of the budget so it shouldn't be a big deal either way. However, the rules state the first 4 players are 1M, the next 4 are 750K and the next 4 after that are 500K. Campaneris went 8th, which would be 750K.

[catcher24]

Posted by Chris:
but I don't think I should have to pay more because Scott isn't here.

Mark, not to create any headaches for you, but I tend to agree with Chris. If you hit Chris 750K for Campy, we're assuming Scott would've taken him with one of his two picks, but we don't know that for sure. Since Scott has Zoilo Versailles at SS, I think it unlikely he would've used either of those picks for another SS.

[leecemark]

--Okay Edgar has left the building. He was here when he went on the clock, so I don't think we should hold things up any longer. Max, go ahead with the Stingers pick.

[catcher24]

What happened to Robert? He was here and posted a couple of replies earlier. And he thought he would get the pick he wanted.

[Wasp]

I'll take OF Johnny Briggs.

[Erik Bedard]

I've got my eye on five guys, and I'd be very happy to get any one of them. Which, of course, I will.

[Erik Bedard]

OK, make that four.

[leecemark]

--The Knights select Larry Dierker.
--Gold Sox on the clock.

[Erik Bedard]

Dierker's gone... now my shortlist is down to three. Pick coming up.

[Erik Bedard]

Tough time deciding between two guys, but I need pitching bad, so I'll go with STEVE BLASS.

[leecemark]

--Oops, I guess Mac did have a pick tonight (acquired from Gamblers) and that list was probably for him, not Scott. Hard Cider get the next guy on it, Rick Reichart.
--Diablos on the clock.

[catcher24]

Mark, give me a minute. I have Jim's list. My son just called from Georgia and I was gone for a while. I have to adjust for the picks made since I left.

[leecemark]

--I see Elhalo is not here either. Rather disappointing showing tonight. Shoeless Joes on the clock. Lew, I believe youhave his proxy.

[leecemark]

--Okay, you have the proxy for the Diablos, then the Joes, then your own pick. Have fun!

[catcher24]

OK, my apologies for holding everyone up.:o All the pitchers taken were on everyone's list, and now another one of them will be removed from the lists.

For the Diablos, I take pitcher (who would've been my next pick):

http://i14.ebayimg.com/05/i/08/58/28/7f_1.JPG

BILL SINGER

[Erik Bedard]

He wasn't one of my three shortlisted, but he was right up there on my main list.

[catcher24]

Picking for the Shoeless Joes, I select outfielder:

http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/08/cf/aa/e9_1.JPG

ALEX JOHNSON

[catcher24]

And with their second pick in this year's rookie draft, the Legends select pitcher:

http://i20.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/77/78/fc33_1_b.JPG

PETE MIKKELSEN

[Erik Bedard]

I've got to go, Mark's got a proxy.

[Edgartohof]

sorry about that, computer troubles, I will take Pete Mikkelson

[leecemark]

--Stottlmyre went with the 4th pick of the draft.

[catcher24]

Sorry, Robert, Stottlemyre went with the fourth pick to the Gamblers.

[Edgartohof]

Sorry, Robert, Stottlemyre went with the fourth pick to the Gamblers.

missed that, just changed it.

[leecemark]

--Mikkelson went in the pick just before you returned. Third time the charm?

[catcher24]

Robert, I just took Mikkelsen, but it was between two players. You can take Mikkelsen if you want, and I'll take the other one (so long as it's OK with everyone).

[leecemark]

--Robert your pick please. We need to get this thing moving.

[catcher24]

If you want, Mark, he can have Mikkelsen and I'll take my other choice. I had them ranked right next to each other on my list.

[leecemark]

--Fine, as long as someone picks now.

[catcher24]

Mikkelsen goes to the Pirates. In his place, the Legends select pitcher:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/five55/.mids/110169195.jpg

BLUE MOON ODOM

[leecemark]

--Now we'll get rolling.
--The Redbirds get Paul Blair
--The Knights select Jack Aker
--I've got the Skipjacks proxy too and I'll be back with their pick momentarily.

[leecemark]

--The Skipjacks take Joe Sparma
--Next two picks are mine (from Hard Cider and my own). Just take a sec

[leecemark]

--The Knights select firstbaseman Wes Parker and pitcher Dave Boswell.
--Stingers are on the clock. Pirates on deck.

[mac195]

--Oops, I guess Mac did have a pick tonight (acquired from Gamblers) and that list was probably for him, not Scott. Hard Cider get the next guy on it, Rick Reichart.
--Diablos on the clock.
Yes, the list was for me.

[leecemark]

--Sorry about that.

[catcher24]

Boy, you got some really decent picks in those last three, Mark. Depth for the team. Will the Knights' dynasty never end??!!:hp

[Wasp]

I select P Rick Wise.

[leecemark]

--Aker has some really nice seasons (but also some really bad ones:ughh ). Boswell doesn't peak very high, but has 3 seasons where he is a solid starter. Parker's bat is a little weak for a firstbaseman, but combined with his gold glove defense he would be a passable starter in 3-4 seasons (although I'd rather have him off the bench in all but one).
--I have been looking toward this draft since the beginning and it has paid off better than I expected. In 1969 3 of my 5 starting pitchers, my starting firstbaseman and a solid reliever will all be from this draft - and I hope to get at least one more contributor in the 3rd round. There are actually are still some pretty good ballplayers left. Several of whom I had rated above a number of players already selected.

[leecemark]

I select P Rick Wise.

--Nice pick. He is a solid starter for 2-3 years before hitting free agency and worth hanging onto after that if you can. Thats all you can ask of a third rounder.

[catcher24]

I had Dierker on my list just because of his 69 season, although he has a couple other respectable ones as well. Aker has that monster 66 season, and a decent one in 69. And of course Siebert has decent seasons all the way through, with excellent seasons in 65 and 67. And as you mention, Boswell doesn't have any Cy Young seasons, but he's very dependable all the way through the six years. Parker's bat is a bit weak at 1B, but he was on my list as well. Switch hitter, and could also play the OF decently.

[catcher24]

Yes, nice pick in Wise. You'll get the "hometown discount" after the 69 season if you want to keep him as he enters his best stretch of seasons on the mound.

[catcher24]

Is Robert still here, or did he have a computer problem again? Having a connection problem has to be frustrating during something like this.

[leecemark]

--Pirates on the clock. I've got the Gold Sox and Gamblers proxies after that. Lew has the Diablos and Joes, plus his own. We should be able to speed thru this 3rd round.

[leecemark]

--He was logged in just a minute ago, but not now. I'll give him another minute and then go with those proxy picks.

[catcher24]

Diablos don't have a pick this round, Mark. You have that pick! Are you going to end it tonight after three live rounds, and go on the clock? There aren't many of us left here anyway.

[Wasp]

How many rounds are in the rookie draft?

[catcher24]

We basically keep picking until everyone passes. We usually do the first three rounds live, then use the eight hour window for the rest. Those that don't want anyone else can just pass; actually, I think Mark has them post that they pass for the rest of their picks once they're done, so anyone who still wants some players can keep picking.

[leecemark]

--The draft runs as long as people want to keep picking or the start of the free agent auction next Friday, whichever comes first. The first 3 rounds are live, the rest on 8 hour windows.

[catcher24]

or the start of the free agent auction next Friday

Oh, my gosh!!:eek: If there are any rookies left by then, it will REALLY be a free for all in the secondary FA draft!!:hp :laugh

[leecemark]

--Well the Pirates will have to make up their pick when Robert returns.
--The Gold Sox take Lou Pinella
--The Gamblers take Gordy Richardson
--The Knights take Adolpho Phillips
--Lew you're up for the Joes and yourself

[catcher24]

Well, Mark, your Phillips pick grabbed the Joes' next pick right out from under their nose! So the next pick for the Joes will be secondbaseman:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/five55/.mids/110169070.jpg

TOMMY HELMS

[catcher24]

The Legends, needing a secondbaseman after the recent trade of Ron Hunt, choose the prospect they preferred over Helms, and who was not listed on the Joes draft sheet:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/five55/.mids/110169445.jpg

BOBBY KNOOP

[leecemark]

--Knoop I think is the steal of the draft. I was prepared to make him a first round pick before trading for Dick Green (Knoop is better, but Green only cost me a third rounder). Bobby Knoop doesn't hit at all this year, but contributes EX defense. The next 4 years he posts OPS+ over 90 with that same good defense. At a thin posiiton that makes him very valuable. If only I'd known he'd last this long...

[catcher24]

Is Chris still here? He's up for this pick, and then another one after JW. I then have the Joes pick, and that will end it for tonight.

[Edgartohof]

I will take Danny Carter

[leecemark]

--Chris has departed. I have JW's proxy, but no list. I was going to draft Knoop for him, but now I really don't know who to pick. How about we go to the 8 hour clock now and give people an opportunity to make their own picks?

[catcher24]

I was VERY surprised he lasted until this late in the third round. I wasn't concerned about a secondbaseman until two days ago, but I think he's far superior to Helms, and that was about it for this draft. I'm not real excited about that 67 OPS+ for 1964, but he has a great glove, and then doesn't produce too badly for a secondbaseman the next four years. Then he drops off the cliff again in 69, so I'll have to do something before then!

[catcher24]

Very nice pick on Cater, Robert. I was going to take him, but I needed a secondbaseman. He has OPS+ over 100 four of the next six years, and plays 1B, 3B and the OF. A really handy utilityman, if nothing else.

[catcher24]

I'm OK with that, Mark. I have Joe's proxy list, but maybe he'd just as soon see who's left anyway. It might make a difference in his pick.

[catcher24]

So that's it for tonight, then, correct? Took a bit longer than I thought, but still the most enjoyable part. Heck, I think we should just do the drafts and skip the seasons.:D Well, see you tomorrow then.

[leecemark]

--The only year I'd really WANT to start Cater is 1968, but you could live with him as a starter in 65-66 and he is handy to have on the roster for at least the next 5 years. I considered him for the pick where I took Parker back in the 2nd round.

[leecemark]

--Yeah, I was planning on no more than 2 hours. My approval rating at home has been dropping for awhile now:p .

[catcher24]

See you tomorrow. :waving Go and improve that approval rating!:laugh

[jkc32]

Thanks for filling in for me Lew.

Is the 8 hour clock based on a 24 hour day or do we only go from-to set times (i.e. 08:00AM EST to 10:00PM EST)? When did/does the Cannons window start?

[ElHalo]

Wow, sorry I didn't make the draft, but I just got home from work (at 11:53 on a Friday evening, that makes me VERY happy, let me tell you). Only having one pick in the first three rounds kind of hurt, but Singer was an outstanding guy to pick up. I have more to go when it comes back around to me. My apologies, guys.

[mac195]

Thanks for filling in for me Lew.

Is the 8 hour clock based on a 24 hour day or do we only go from-to set times (i.e. 08:00AM EST to 10:00PM EST)? When did/does the Cannons window start?
That's 8 hours from when the person in front of you makes their pick. Cannons' window has already started.

[mac195]

If anyone's window comes up in the middle of the night, go ahead and PM me. I can probably pick for you.

[jkc32]

Ok...That appears to be 10:46pm (the Cater pick), which would mean the next team can now pick. Just trying to gauge when my turn may come up today as we are entertaining tonight and I won't get the opportunity to check the status.

[leecemark]

--The Cannons clock has expired.
--The Skipjacks select infielder/outfielder Chico Salmon.
--The Cannons won't get a fresh clock while they have a makeup pick pending, so Chris now has two makeups when he checks in.
--The Shoeless Joes are on the clock for the last pick of the third round.
--Knights on deck with the 1st pick of the fourth, acquired from the Stingers.

[catcher24]

You're welcome, Joe. Any time. BTW, if you think you'll be unable to make it this evening, send me another short list and I'll take the top man on it when your turn comes up.

Jim, I was sorry you couldn't make it, but I don't think it made any difference. IMHO, Singer was the best pitcher available when your pick came up and was, in fact, the next player on both my list and the Joes when you got him. So I think you did OK. It does hurt to only have one pick, though, in the first three rounds!

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Dick Kelley, P.

[leecemark]

--The Knights select pitcher Mel Queen. He only has one year where he is worth anything, but its a dandy (see 1967 - #3 in the NL in WHIP in just under 200 IP).
--Pirates on the clock. Cannons have 2 makeup picks coming.

[baseballPAP]

Sorry everyone....I got called into work unexpectedly at 7 PM. I got the call at 6, and had to leave at 6:20....no chance for me to even check in here. I thank Mark for making the picks for me, even though there wasn't much of anything there to pick from :(

[leecemark]

--I think Blair was a good value in the middle of the second round. Your slip in the first round hurt but, McCool was by far the best LH reliever (and one of the best overall) and Carroll the best long term reliever. They should have some trade value if relief is not what you wanted (I'd be willing to give up a future pick for Carroll). I saw this draft as only 7-8 players deep in actual first round talent, so unless you saw something I didn't the vlaues from late first round all the way into the early third were pretty close. You get a couple good years, either early or late. Carroll and Blair are both guys worth using the hometown discount on to keep into the 70s so maybe you come out with a decent crop.

[catcher24]

Good pick on Queen, Mark. I had him listed for just that one season, too. ERA+ of 136 with a WHIP of 1.06. He should do just fine for you in 67!

Sorry to hear about that Scott. Really messes up your plans when you can't be present and get one or two guys you want. But ending up with Carroll and Blair isn't the worst thing.

[ElHalo]

Jim, I was sorry you couldn't make it, but I don't think it made any difference. IMHO, Singer was the best pitcher available when your pick came up and was, in fact, the next player on both my list and the Joes when you got him. So I think you did OK. It does hurt to only have one pick, though, in the first three rounds!

Yeah, he's definitely the guy I would have taken, so thank you. I guess that's the price you pay for making trades.

[jkc32]

Nice pick of Queen. I couldn't decide between him and Kelley but really needed the relief help in 65-68 so went the other way. I was hoping Queen would slide to me in rd 4.

[Erik Bedard]

All my pitchers that I had on my list started dropping like flies. :ughh

Well, I've got two decent young outfielders, and only one year where neither of them plays significantly, in 1968. I'll probably have to use Piniella's hometown discount, but that's what I drafted him for.

[538280]

Duke Sims and Bill Kelso

[leecemark]

--Pirates clock is expired.
--Gold Sox on the clock.

[catcher24]

I was very surprised no one had taken Sims yet. Had a decent bat for six seasons, especially for a catcher and particularly in comparison to the other catchers available. He would have been my pick in the third round if I hadn't needed a secondbaseman. An excellent backup or platoon starter, and very cheap!

[leecemark]

--Duke was the best catcher in this draft, but that isn't saying a great deal. If you need a catcher this offseason you are going to be looking at overpaying for somebody pretty marginal. Even Sims doesn't get any real playing time until 1967.

[Edgartohof]

nevermind.....

[leecemark]

--That is true, but he has already been taken.

[leecemark]

--About 20 minutes left on the Gold Sox clock. Gamblers on the clock as of 1230AM EST. Pirates still have a make up pick coming.

[leecemark]

--Gamblers on the clock. Pirates and Gold Sox have make up picks when they get around to it.

[Erik Bedard]

Mark, this guy was on my proxy list, wasn't he?

KEN SANDERS.

[leecemark]

--He was, but I was only intending to proxy during the live portion of the draft. Sanders to the Gold Sox then. The Gamblers clock has expired. They and the Pirates have makeup picks. The Diablos are on the clock.
--Anyone done with this draft, please post to that effect.

[ElHalo]

The Diablos select Frank Bertaina.

[Edgartohof]

For my make up pick, I choose Adalfo Phillips.

[jkc32]

Phillips was selected by the Knights in Rd 3.

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Dennis Ribant, P.

[Edgartohof]

sorry about that, I just used the "find" feature, and it came up with nothing - his name is misspelled on the first page.

[catcher24]

I'm very surprised this player hasn't been taken yet. Plays as a regular four seasons, and is an excellent reserve another one, with a career OPS+ of 109.
The Legends select firstbaseman:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/hop45/.mids/1960stonyhortonpostcard.jpg

TONY HORTON

[leecemark]

--I had Horton on my draft board s a 2nd round possibility. If Parker had been gone I would have grabbed him then.

[leecemark]

--The Redbirds select Hal Lanier.
--Cannons on the clock.
--Gamblers and Pirates still have makeup picks coming.
--Only about a half dozen guys left on my draft board.

[538280]

I'll take Dalton Jones.

[catcher24]

I still have seven left on my board, so maybe one of them will be left when my pick comes around again.

[leecemark]

--Skipjacks on the clock. Pirates and Gamblers still have picks pending.

[leecemark]

--The Skipjacks clock is about up and I guess I still have JW's proxy. I have the Redbirds too, so I'll get this thing moving.
--Skipjacks: Paul Schaal (113 OPS+ at 3B in 66, but not much elsewhere)
--Redbirds: Sandy Alomar
--The Stingers are on the clock for 2 picks (Knights last pick of the 4th and their own 1st pick of the 5th).
--Pirates and Gamblers still have picks pending.
--Pirates are on deck, but if they still haven't made their 4th round pick by the time the Stingers take their 5th (or their clock expires) then the Gold Sox can step in front of them.

[Erik Bedard]

With BBF's 27-minute difference factored in, it should be my turn. In that case, I'll take RANDY HUNDLEY.

[leecemark]

--Hundley is a nice grab for the fifth round. Good defensive catcher and a workhorse, with a little pop.
--No fresh clock for the Gamblers with a pick already pending. The Gamblers, Pirates and Stingers all have 2 picks coming to them when they check in.
--Diablos on the clock. Shoeless Joes on deck.

[Wasp]

I'll take 1B Danny Cater. I'll make my second pick later.

[Erik Bedard]

Cater has been taken, by the Pirates with the #2 pick in the third round.

[leecemark]

--Add the Diablos to the pending picks and put the Joes on the clock.

[Edgartohof]

Roger Repoz and Jay Ritchie

[catcher24]

Posted by edgartohof:
Roger Repoz and Jay Ritchie
Darn, almost got one of them, too. Those two were at the top of my remaining list!

[The Dude]

Gamblers forgo the rest of their picks.

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Mickey Stanley, OF

[ElHalo]

Diablos take Bobby Klaus.

[catcher24]

The Legends select pitcher HOWIE REED if Mark determines that is a valid pick. If Reed is not a valid pick, the Legends select Outfielder DARRELL GRIFFITH.

[catcher24]

The Legends also waive any further picks in the Rookie Draft.

[leecemark]

The Legends select pitcher HOWIE REED if Mark determines that is a valid pick. If Reed is not a valid pick, the Legends select Outfielder DARRELL GRIFFITH.

--The draft is restricted to players who made their debut in 1964. Reed is a free agent.

[leecemark]

--Redbirds on the clock. Stingers still have 2 picks pending. Cannons on deck.

[baseballPAP]

I believe he is still there...The Redbirds select Bill Wakefield, and pass any further picks.

[leecemark]

--Cannons on the clock, Skipjacks on deck.

[leecemark]

--About 90 minutes left on the Cannons clock. Skipjacks up at 2PM EST or when the Cannons pick/pass whichever comes first.

[Wasp]

Sorry for the delay. I'll pick C Jerry May and OF Walt Williams.

[538280]

I'll take Willie Crawford

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/willie_crawford_autograph.jpg

[leecemark]

--Skipjacks clock has expired. Hard Cider up.

[mac195]

Hard Cider are pleased to select catcher Jack Hiatt.

[leecemark]

--The Knights are not so pleased to see that selection:mad: . So close to getting a guy who makes a nice contribution in 3 seasons - with the last pick of the 5th round! I'll take Rich Reese. He has one terrific season, but it is in 1969:( .
--Stingers on the clock.

[Wasp]

If he's still available, I pick SS Don Kessinger.

[leecemark]

--Hey a future All Star SS (though probably not in our league) in the 6th round isn't bad. Pirates on the clock.

[leecemark]

--Pirates clock is expired. Gold Sox up.

[leecemark]

--Gold Sox clock is expired. Diablos up. For those done picking (and the pickings are pretty lean now) please post to that effect so the people after you can go ahead. Thanks.

[538280]

The Cannons are done picking.

[Erik Bedard]

I guess this guy hasn't gone yet, and I can't fathom why: Bob Lee. ERA+ for 1964-66 of 218, 177, and 123, all in over 60 appearances.

[Edgartohof]

I guess this guy hasn't gone yet, and I can't fathom why: Bob Lee. ERA+ for 1964-66 of 218, 177, and 123, all in over 60 appearances.

He went in the first round.

And I guess I'm done picking as well.

[Erik Bedard]

Wow. When I searched the thread, it said there were no matches. I'm confused.

[Edgartohof]

Wow. When I searched the thread, it said there were no matches. I'm confused.

don't worry, it happened a few times to me too.

[Erik Bedard]

Well, I guess this guy's available: Tom Kelley.

[jkc32]

Shoeless takes Darrell Sutherland, P, and is done drafting.

[leecemark]

--Redbirds on the clock.

[Wasp]

The Stingers are done picking.

[catcher24]

This is a repeat, but the Legends have finished their rookie drafting.

[ElHalo]

Diablos take Chico Ruiz.

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox are done picking.

[leecemark]

--Redbirds clock is expired, Cannons have passed and the Skipjacks still have a pick pending from the 5th round. That puts the Hard Cider on the clock.

[mac195]

HC will take the original Japanese import, pitcher Masanori Murakami.

[leecemark]

--The Knights take John Purdin. The Diablos are next up amoung still active drafters.

[baseballPAP]

The Redbirds officially passed at the end of their last pick.

[leecemark]

--The rookie draft is closed (effective with the opening of the FA auction).