Sheffield to Detroit ?

[skeletor]

I sure hope not....at 38, he's slowing down..and coming off a injury
filled year...add to the mix, a clubhouse cancer..who thinks he's
above team unity, in my opinion...we ain't talking Bonds like numbers'from him...He's not worth a decent pitcher, or his over priced contract, and
he'll surely want a multi year pact from DD..He did play for Leyland in
Florida...but considering all the angles and factors, I say PASS on him,
and wish him luck...I think we can do better than him...in our quest to
upgrade some of our hitting attack:rolleyes:

[malt-tones]

Skeletor, I would not even touch this guy with your ugly stick. :D

I believe Mr. Sheffield's best days are behind him. His best bet is being a DH somewhere. His outfield play was semi-adequate; however, his play at firstbase was very forgettable. Plus I here he is a clubhouse cancer.

VOTE NO ON GARY...... wait a minute...... the elections were yesterday......My Bad! :D

[racosun]

Trading any top-tier talent for Sheff would be a giant mistake. There is no way we'd get $13 million's worth of play out of him. If we did trade for him, Leyland would find out very quickly that this isn't even close to the same player he had in Florida that one year. I'd take Sheff if he was due to make about $3-5 million, and only as a back-up DH/RF. Heck, even then, I'm still not sure. It's better to just look elsewhere. We have a ton of pitching, which most teams need badly, so I think we can use that to our advantage and pretty much pick and choose who we want in return. Sheff wouldn't be a good option at all.

[Dalkowski110]

IMO, the Yankees are in a dreamworld thinking they can get young pitching out of this guy. From who? Not even the Tigers and their 9-odd starting pitchers are going to go for him. The only two teams I see actually even considering making a play for him are the Cubs and the White Sox...both of whom would also insist that A-Rod would be in on the deal. Our best bet is to trade someone to Texas (Bondo?) for Mark Teixeira. The Mets, my NL team, have also expressed interest in virtually every Detroit starter available, although the three names that have been recurring are Bondo, Mike Maroth, and Nate Robertson. From the sounds of the Texas trade (and also the Tigers hanging onto Maroth until his value goes up), let's assume Nate Robertson. This is a deal I can see Mets GM Omar Minaya wanting to make. Why? Because it won't cost him starting pitching (as in Mike Pelfrey, Phil Humber, Oliver "I'm Getting My Mechanics Back" Perez, Jon Niese, Mike Devaney, etc.). A deal I would personally propose would be something like this...
Nate Robertson to the Mets for Minor League catcher/first baseman Jesus Flores, Minor League outfielder/DH Corey Coles, and Minor League outfielder Carlos Gomez. Robertson for three Minor Leaguers? It's not as bad as it may sound.

Carlos Gomez can play any outfield position, and play it extremely well (he is a natural right fielder). He's down in AA Binghamton right now, but is ecpected to be on the AAA New Orleans Zephyrs opening day roster, and could be ready for the Majors as soon as the All Star Break. Most people who have seen him are projecting him as similar to Lastings Milledge, but superior in baserunning (he stole 47 bases), while not having as much power. But he is an above-average hitter. He swatted something like .338. I would consider any team that got Gomez to be lucky...Minaya has so far turned down everyone else's offers for the guy (If the Mets were trading for Mike Maroth, though, they wouldn't include Gomez.).

Corey Coles does not fit the mould one would usually consider to be a DH. He rarely hit homeruns. And for that matter, he rarely steals bases. But what he does do is hit. He batted .347 last year at Class A St. Lucie and is said to have an improving batting eye. He also hit a bunch of doubles. Coles would be the "throw-in" here. Regardless, his name has always come up in the handful of Mets/Tigers trade talks that have happened over the course of the season.

Jesus Flores is somebody DD supposedly brought to the table when Omar Minaya shelved Lastings Milledge (like he always does). Flores is a terrific fielder at either catcher or first base at this point in his career, and has a great power swing. However, he also strikes out a ton and needs to develop better plate discipline. He finished the year at AA Binghamton. He would be backing up Pudge until he retires, and then take over regular catching duties.

One thing to remember, though...if Mark Teixeira suddenly becomes unavailable, the Mets will demand this trade for Jeremy Bonderman, which is why I believe both teams are biding their time regarding this deal (another reason why you can see Flores as being on the table...his ability to either catch of play first base).

[TigersFanB406]

Why does everyone want to get rid of Nate Robertson? I don't get it...

[George & Al]

It bothers me that I keep hearing about the Tig's going after the one thing they do NOT need: Right handed hitting outfielders.

[TigersFanB406]

It bothers me that I keep hearing about the Tig's going after the one thing they do NOT need: Right handed hitting outfielders.

Really eh? Next thing, you'll hear they're going after pitching.:eek:

[tigers527]

Really eh? Next thing, you'll hear they're going after pitching.:eek:

You can never have enough POWER ARMS. Is the mantra of King Dave, and hey, who am I to argue.

[TigersFanB406]

You can never have enough POWER ARMS. Is the mantra of King Dave, and hey, who am I to argue.

True...but they don't really need to go after anymore. They have enough on their team and more in the minors. What they need is another bat, not another pitcher at the expense of the bats they do have.

[malt-tones]

Really eh?

Eh!

That slays me, as I consume my back-bacon and Molson watching the hockey game that came on right after the Curling Championships, which were sponsored by the X-Y-ZED company. :D

[Dalkowski110]

Checked on Corey Coles for you...I think I know why DD is interested in him...he bats and throws left-handed, and can play any outfield position (although he's currently being used as a DH). He would likely be interested in Jesus Flores due to his power-hitting and ability to play either catcher or first base. Carlos Gomez is considered the absolute blue chip in the Mets organization, behind only Lastings Milledge (who Minaya has repeatedly said he won't trade). But, logically, Milledge and Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran would inhibit Gomez's progress (to say nothing of Corey Coles, Ambiorix Concepcion, Jamar Hill, Alhaji "Psycho" Turay, Rashad Eldridge, Bobby Malek...I could write a list a mile long). From what I've seen, nothing is going to happen with regards to Bondo and either the Rangers or Mets until the winner of the Daisuke Matsuzaka bid is announced. I'd go for Teixeira if at all possible over a bunch of prospects, though, no matter how good they are. Why the Tigers want to deal Nate (or at least, Nate AND Bondo) is completely beyond me. The rotation is going to look like this next year???

-Justin Verlander
-Kenny Rogers
-Mike Maroth
-Zach Miner
-Wil Ledezma or three or four other guys.

I can't see the Tigers giving up both Robertson and Bondo, although one of them will probably be shipped off.

[skeletor]

Checked on Corey Coles for you...I think I know why DD is interested in him...he bats and throws left-handed, and can play any outfield position (although he's currently being used as a DH). He would likely be interested in Jesus Flores due to his power-hitting and ability to play either catcher or first base. Carlos Gomez is considered the absolute blue chip in the Mets organization, behind only Lastings Milledge (who Minaya has repeatedly said he won't trade). But, logically, Milledge and Mets center fielder Carlos Beltran would inhibit Gomez's progress (to say nothing of Corey Coles, Ambiorix Concepcion, Jamar Hill, Alhaji "Psycho" Turay, Rashad Eldridge, Bobby Malek...I could write a list a mile long). From what I've seen, nothing is going to happen with regards to Bondo and either the Rangers or Mets until the winner of the Daisuke Matsuzaka bid is announced. I'd go for Teixeira if at all possible over a bunch of prospects, though, no matter how good they are. Why the Tigers want to deal Nate (or at least, Nate AND Bondo) is completely beyond me. The rotation is going to look like this next year???

-Justin Verlander
-Kenny Rogers
-Mike Maroth
-Zach Miner
-Wil Ledezma or three or four other guys.

I can't see the Tigers giving up both Robertson and Bondo, although one of them will probably be shipped off.

No doubt,Bondo's exit vista is just about stamped outta DETROIT

Look for a big trade with TeXas for Mark and-or-Hank Blalock...on the flip, the Mets are sniffing around the Tigers hard...
:rolleyes:

[Dalkowski110]

Oh crud...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/11/10/sheffield.tigers/index.html

[TigersFanB406]

His best bet is being a DH somewhere. His outfield play was semi-adequate; however, his play at firstbase was very forgettable. Plus I here he is a clubhouse cancer.



1) A DH here? Oh yeah...

2) he won't play much OF and he won't play 1B

3) he won't be a clubhouse cancer either. He said that he will be happy to play DH for Leyland and the Tigers.

last but not least...

welcome to Detroit Gary Sheffield!:gt

[EvanAparra]

3) he won't be a clubhouse cancer either. He said that he will be happy to play DH for Leyland and the Tigers.

He's been one most everywhere else he's played, why would Detroit be any different.

[TonyStarks]

I'd like to say...."GOOD RIDDANCE".

Now...what was Dalkowski110 saying yesterday about this?

Why the Tigers would want Sheff, I have no idea? But boy oh boy am I sure glad they wanted him!

Thanks Jimmy! We owe ya one. :)

I just hope this cancer doesn't affect your ballclub too much.
I actually liked what this team was doing.

[TigersFanB406]

He's been one most everywhere else he's played, why would Detroit be any different.

Key words are "most everywhere" he's played. Detroit should be different because he likes Leyland and he said he's happy to play DH for Detroit. There really shouldn't be such a thing as a club house cancer in professional sports. They are there to do a job and they make big money to do the job. And if they are a cancer, the rest of the team can be the professionals they are and still play the game at a high level.

I still feel this was an excellent move.

[EvanAparra]

Key words are "most everywhere" he's played. Detroit should be different because he likes Leyland and he said he's happy to play DH for Detroit. There really shouldn't be such a thing as a club house cancer in professional sports. They are there to do a job and they make big money to do the job. And if they are a cancer, the rest of the team can be the professionals they are and still play the game at a high level.

I still feel this was an excellent move.
I said most everywhere because I wasnt following baseball in the early 90s. He was probably a jerk there too.

[skeletor]

I'd like to say...."GOOD RIDDANCE".

Now...what was Dalkowski110 saying yesterday about this?

Why the Tigers would want Sheff, I have no idea? But boy oh boy am I sure glad they wanted him!

Thanks Jimmy! We owe ya one. :)

I just hope this cancer doesn't affect your ballclub too much.
I actually liked what this team was doing.

WELL, we did give up some talent, not great, but still somewhat important
farm hands..I HATE SECOND GUESSING DD,but this trade blows chunks...

maybe we can package him inna later deal...just how much gas left in the tank does Shef have ? what a bonehead deal--in my opinion...I sure hope I'm proved W-R-O-N-G...

[EvanAparra]

where are you racosun?

[skeletor]

I'd like to say...."GOOD RIDDANCE".

Now...what was Dalkowski110 saying yesterday about this?

Why the Tigers would want Sheff, I have no idea? But boy oh boy am I sure glad they wanted him!

Thanks Jimmy! We owe ya one. :)

I just hope this cancer doesn't affect your ballclub too much.
I actually liked what this team was doing.

I hate second guessing DD..but I gotta say, this trade stinks...I sure hope
both SHEF and DD prove me wrong...as least the YANKS didn't get bondy,
Robertson, or Maroth..or Miller.....god, this trade sucks..
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Dalkowski110]

"Now...what was Dalkowski110 saying yesterday about this?"

Sorry everybody. I'll be eating some serious crow. :laugh

[TigersFanB406]

I said most everywhere because I wasnt following baseball in the early 90s. He was probably a jerk there too.

Even if he was a jerk there, he was a jerk with an OBP of over .400 most of, if not all of those years. This is professional sports. I don't care if the guy is a jerk if he's got almost 500 homeruns in his career. I may not want a jerk's autograph, but I don't mind him hitting the ball for my team.

[TigersFanB406]

Skeletor, I still would have loved getting Sheff if they gave up Robertson, Bonderman or anyone else...though admittedly I would be upset at losing them. I'm glad the deal didn't cost anyone on the major league roster. In my mind, this is a steal.

[Srschirm]

I can't believe they did this. Thanks for ruining my night ,Detroit.

[TigersFanB406]

I can't believe they did this. Thanks for ruining my night ,Detroit.

Though we are all entitled to our own opinion, I can't believe I'm reading things like this.

Gary friggin' Sheffield man!

[Neilios]

I hate second guessing DD..but I gotta say, this trade stinks...I sure hope
both SHEF and DD prove me wrong...as least the YANKS didn't get bondy,
Robertson, or Maroth..or Miller.....god, this trade sucks..
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

All we have to hope for is that these prospects (especially Sanchez) don't turn out to be our modern-day John Smoltz. Like I said in the CE section, DD built arguably the best middle infield in baseball for Urbina (jailed) and Santiago (reclaimed). He wouldn't give up Cam Maybin when he knew it would land Soriano, and he got Sean Casey for a AA middle-reliever! All this to say, you're right, we shouldn't be second-guessing DD, but it's hard not to. I really hope nothing (or very little) comes of these prospects (although I really liked Sanchez) and Sheff giving us 35-110 while keeping his cool in the clubhouse (which isn't far fetched with the tight ship Jimmy runs).

Keep the optismism and let the next year play itself out!

[skeletor]

Skeletor, I still would have loved getting Sheff if they gave up Robertson, Bonderman or anyone else...though admittedly I would be upset at losing them. I'm glad the deal didn't cost anyone on the major league roster. In my mind, this is a steal.

Wish I had your faith..but the guy is a nutcase and a troublemaker who just happens to put up some numbers..His whole career has been one of clubhouse
cancer and whiner par deluxe..that's why he's been traded so much..

Heck, they are overjoyed over in the YANKEE forum..Gleeing with wicked delight...what does that tell you ?

this guy's best days are behind him...I'm sick of these old geezers like Gary,
but then again, maybe DD knows something I don't...I'm hoping Gary will
come to ST hungry, and have something to prove to the Yankee pitching staff, and light 'em up..

but I'm angry at how bleeeeping lame this deal is....lord, it stinks.
:rolleyes:

[TigersFanB406]

Thanks Skeletor. Don't worry. I have a feeling the Yankee fans will regret being glad they got rid of him. Them being delighted tells me one thing: they're fickle and they like to whine just as much as Sheff. I don't think he'll have an attitude with Detroit and if he does, that's fine as long as he hits the ball and walks a lot.

Even if the prospects turn out to be great, I'm sure the Tigers can find guys to replace them. They even have a lot of prospects left in their own system. And Sheff being 38, I don't see anything wrong with that. Nobody complains about Clemens being the age he is. A guy can still be a productive DH at 38. The only things people have against Sheff are that he hurt his wrist last year and that he opens his mouth too much. He can open his mouth all he wants if he gives my team an OBP of over .400.

[skeletor]

Thanks Skeletor. Don't worry. I have a feeling the Yankee fans will regret being glad they got rid of him. Them being delighted tells me one thing: they're fickle and they like to whine just as much as Sheff. I don't think he'll have an attitude with Detroit and if he does, that's fine as long as he hits the ball and walks a lot.

Even if the prospects turn out to be great, I'm sure the Tigers can find guys to replace them. They even have a lot of prospects left in their own system. And Sheff being 38, I don't see anything wrong with that. Nobody complains about Clemens being the age he is. A guy can still be a productive DH at 38. The only things people have against Sheff are that he hurt his wrist last year and that he opens his mouth too much. He can open his mouth all he wants if he gives my team an OBP of over .400.

Well, I'm chilling out a tad,,,gosh, sure hopes we slam dunk this trade,,and GS
racks up some good numbers as he laughs at GM Cashman, and Daddy George..

welcome to Detroit Gary...(@#$%!)

[TigersFanB406]

Can we get this stickied to look back on it in the future?

I'm lookin' forward to next season. Hey with Sheff coming to town, the lineups for the other Tigers at TigerFest to get autographs will probably be smaller. :)

[malt-tones]

OH NO!

What have we done? Where are we going? Are we going to get there with a 38 yr old overpaid player who probably has seen his better days? I thought we were past those days.

Giving Sheff a break, he does have proven power, a good OBA, doesn't K much, and has a penchant for walks; however, this is not a deal I would have made, but that's why I am not DD.

Just what the Tigers need, a right handed hitter that doesn't steal many bases, whose defense and attitude is questionable, and spends time on the DL.

Has DD lost his magic touch? Will the Tigers repeat as AL Champions? Will Sheff be the missing piece of the puzzle?

Be sure to tune in next season to see the conclusion of "The Tigers quest for a World Series Championship, part II", and don't touch that dial Tiger fans.

[TigersFanB406]

LOL

I don't know...I think it's a good move. We'll all see soon enough. I'm not going to flame you for disagreeing with me though. I'm not a tyrannical prime minister. :cool:

[tigers527]

Does this line up really sound like a worse one? I mean, how could it not push the Tigers from the 8-12 MLB ranks in the offensive team stats of to say 3-7. Maybe even close in on the 1st spot in HRs?

1 Curtis Granderson CF
2 Placido Polanco 2B
3 Carlos Guillen SS
4 Magglio Ordonez RF
5 Gary Sheffield DH
6 Sean Casey 1B (hey he wants to be here, and I would hope we get him back?)
7 Ivan Rodriguez C
8 Craig Monroe LF
9 Brandon Inge 3B

That has to be better then the offense of last year.