View Full Version : Barry Zito or Daisuke Matsuzaka
jeterMVP
11-06-2006, 11:07 AM
Don't know if a poll has been made but...
Who would you rather have on your team?
GiambiJuice
11-06-2006, 11:42 AM
Zito. Because he is proven. As a Yankee fan, I can't forget Hideki Irabu too soon. And Matsui, though he's decent, is grossly overpaid and his RBI numbers are a complete product of the lineup he's in.
hellborn
11-06-2006, 11:44 AM
I know that Zito is a good pitcher and always has good overall numbers, but he just seems to get the tar kicked out of him in certain games more than you'd expect from an ace-type pitcher. I don't know, do you get the feeling that teams just really study his style for big games and force him to end up throwing fairly hittable pitches for strikes?
Matsuzaka is kind of an X factor, but it sounds like his ceiling is very high. Could turn out to be a real strong #1 guy.
W_Marone
11-06-2006, 11:51 AM
Zito, why would I take an unproven talent over a guy who's already a Cy Young winning pitcher who's showed he can pitch in this league? I honestly dont know why someone would take a gamble when you can have a sure thing. But maybe that's just me. I'd take Zito.
Dasperp
11-06-2006, 12:26 PM
Zito isn't anything special anymore. Without that park and that outfield defense he'll struggle to put up an ERA around 4. His k-rate has been declining and his walk rate increasing for years now; he just isn't the pitcher he was in 2002. He hasn't been in the top 10 in ERA+ in the AL since 2003, and that's with the great outfield defense the A's have.
Matsuzaka could be a bust, but he could be an ace. He has dominating stuff and most projection systems have him as far better than Zito next year.
Rapmaster
11-06-2006, 12:40 PM
Zito isn't anything special anymore. Without that park and that outfield defense he'll struggle to put up an ERA around 4. His k-rate has been declining and his walk rate increasing for years now; he just isn't the pitcher he was in 2002. He hasn't been in the top 10 in ERA+ in the AL since 2003, and that's with the great outfield defense the A's have.
Matsuzaka could be a bust, but he could be an ace. He has dominating stuff and most projection systems have him as far better than Zito next year.
Agreed except for the great outfield defense part. Terrence Long? Jermaine Dye (nursing a bum leg)? Singleton? I guess Byrnes, Bradley and Kotsay were solid, but I don't agree that his defense really helped him that much. There were good players, but nothing spectacular all at once. But the park, definitely.
jgangstahippie
11-06-2006, 02:01 PM
Daisuke Matsuzaka.
Zito is overated.
Plus the AL East owns Zito
Wade8813
11-06-2006, 03:02 PM
Zito. Matsuzaka seems more promising, but is more of an unknown. So the tie-breaker for me is that a team won't have to bid just to offer Zito a contract. I don't think Matsuzaka is worth the additional $25-30 million we'd have to pay.
If you don't take the cost of their contracts/negotiating rights, I couldn't tell you one way or another.
hudsonharden
11-06-2006, 03:06 PM
Matsuzaka, since I know the Athletics will no have Zito next year. If Matsuzaka wasn't so hyped, the A's might have been able to get him for something that's in Billy Beane's price range.
KCGHOST
11-06-2006, 03:09 PM
I've never laid eyes on Matsuzaka so I can't do that.
Rapmaster
11-06-2006, 03:14 PM
Matsuzaka, since I know the Athletics will no have Zito next year. If Matsuzaka wasn't so hyped, the A's might have been able to get him for something that's in Billy Beane's price range.
I don't think Daisuke would come all the way over here for Billy Beane's price :(
I seirously feel bad for some of these Japanese players. They deal with our hype and our media without the comforts of anything, let alone home.
wu-tang clan
11-06-2006, 03:27 PM
Zito has the awesome curveball, but Matsuzaka has the
GYROBALL!
hubkittel
11-06-2006, 04:49 PM
zito. always take the devil you know over the devil you don't know.
jarakaki14
11-06-2006, 04:54 PM
i think zito is the better choice here. he has clearly shown he has what it takes to be dominant in a dominant league..
AstrosFan
11-06-2006, 06:06 PM
I actually know a guy named Daisuke, so when I first started seeing news of this pitcher, I was intrigued.
Charger567
11-06-2006, 06:24 PM
There is NO CONTEST. Barry Zito. He has actually proven himself, and I would take a former cy young winner who you know will be a success over someone who costs $30M and for all we know could be a disaster.
cardsfanatic
11-06-2006, 08:41 PM
I take the known commodity. Zito me.
ChrisLDuncan
11-06-2006, 10:48 PM
Zito has the awesome curveball, but Matsuzaka has the
GYROBALL!
According to Matsuzaka he doesn't throw the GYROBALL!
Astro
11-06-2006, 11:08 PM
Give me a pretty good SP in Zito, a nice #2 or #3 starter... Matsuzaka is going to cost a team around $40 million for his first season... Unless he goes 32-0 I dont think I'd pay anyone that much
Disgruntaledmarinerfan
11-07-2006, 11:01 AM
Zito all the way. he has proven himself a very good and at times a dominating starting pitcher, Matsuzaka on the other hand hasn't proven squat. Matsuzaka is going to be overpaid tremendously for a guy that there is no proof to how good he will really be, he may cost a team $25 million or more.
I would not be surprised if a team were to pay him his superflous contract, and then see him produce mediocre stats.