Angel Mistakes

[ChrisLDuncan]

Do the Angels look foolish now for letting David Eckstein and Jeff Weaver go? I mean it looks like the Cards will win the WS, and Eckstein will probably be the MVP...and Weaver contributed too. Were the Angels wrong to let these guys go?

[W_Marone]

I wouldnt say they look foolish, they signed Orlando Cabrera, and when Weaver came to Anaheim he was terrible. Foolish no, becuase remember, because in the last five years the Angels have held the World Series championship over thier head.

[Seattle1]

The funny thing is, Weaver was a Tiger for a long time. You tend to forget about that.

[Ubiquitous]

Jeff Weaver was 2-10 with a 6.29 ERA if the Angels think they made a mistake, the mistake they made was signing him in the first place. Weaver did a lot to insure that the Angels would miss the playoffs this year.

They probably should have held on to Eckstein but I can understand why they let him go. He had straight sub par years.

[bigtime39]

Both players produced above their career norms at a very important time for the Cardinals. Both could easily revert to mean. Perhaps Dave Duncan has found something with Weaver that previous pitching coaches have not. I think the jury won't be in on this one for another season.

[rockin500]

Jeff Weaver was 2-10 with a 6.29 ERA if the Angels think they made a mistake, the mistake they made was signing him in the first place. Weaver did a lot to insure that the Angels would miss the playoffs this year.

They probably should have held on to Eckstein but I can understand why they let him go. He had straight sub par years.
easily understandable about weaver as he stunk terribly with the angels.

as for the eckstein situation, i thought that was a mistake then as even though eckstein kinda stunk offensively, he was just as good defensively as cabrera and really wasnt THAT much worse offensively than cabrera. they had to know that cabrera wasnt going to be much of an upgrade over eckstein, given the price tag.

[Ubiquitous]

Both players produced above their career norms at a very important time for the Cardinals. Both could easily revert to mean. Perhaps Dave Duncan has found something with Weaver that previous pitching coaches have not. I think the jury won't be in on this one for another season.



Jeff Weaver went 5-4 in 15 games with a 5.18 ERA for the Cards. He averaged less then 6 innings a start and 1.5 walks or hits per inning. Duncan didn't find anything that everybody else hadn't already found.

[Old Sweater]

Do the Angels look foolish now for letting David Eckstein and Jeff Weaver go? I mean it looks like the Cards will win the WS, and Eckstein will probably be the MVP...and Weaver contributed too. Were the Angels wrong to let these guys go?

If this is true the Colorado Rockies take the cake.

2003/ Juan Encarnacion/ Juan Pierre/ Todd Hollandworth/ Lenny Harris
2004/Mark Bellhorn/ Ellis Burks
2005/Juan Uribe
2006/Gary Bennet/Ronnie Belliard/ Aaron Miles/ Preston Wilson

[rsuriyop]

I believe the Angels letting Eckstein go was a mistake. He isn't exactly an all-star calibre player, but he was definately the spark plug of the team. That, and he always seems to do very well during the post season.

Really, there isn't that much more that one could ask for.

[Senior skittles]

Jeff Weaver went 5-4 in 15 games with a 5.18 ERA for the Cards. He averaged less then 6 innings a start and 1.5 walks or hits per inning. Duncan didn't find anything that everybody else hadn't already found.
ummmm..... did you not see his postseason????? It looks to me like he may have turned the page in his career!!!!

[rockin500]

ummmm..... did you not see his postseason????? It looks to me like he may have turned the page in his career!!!!
a good 3 week stretch is not exactly something to hang your hat on. ;)

[Old Sweater]

a good 3 week stretch is not exactly something to hang your hat on. ;)

Just when it happens in the playoffs.

[Rapmaster]

I would qualify a "mistake" as a bad longterm deal. Jeff Weaver was ineffective in both Anaheim and St. Louis in the regular season. Weaver did have a great postseason though. However, it doesn't matter how good of a postseason performer he is if the team doesn't make the playoffs. Besides, his replacement (Jered ha) was a lot more effective and will probably be the better of the two in the long-run.

Eckstein was (in my mind) a great player. His replacement in Anaheim (Cabrera) was a lot better. Again, he had a great postseason.

A bad deal would be acquiring A.J. Pierzynski for a year and giving up Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and Boof Bonser :crazy Players move frequently and it won't be hard to find players that win a series with a new team. It's not necessarily a mistake that they let him go. There's no way you can affirmatively say that Weaver and Eckstein will win you a world series if they're on your roster.

[Lee SW IL]

I think some credit needs to go to LaRussa and D Duncan.

Specially with Weaver, D Duncan talked with him since he was aquired and reworked his game.

[geezer]

The Weaver situation is something unbelievable, the Cards gave him a chance, possible a final chance to succeed in the bigs, and what happened, became an important factor for the Cardinals title run, when they lost Mulder to injury, Weaver left the Halos to give his playoffs spot to his little brother, and both ended it up good moves for both teams.

[Ubiquitous]

ummmm..... did you not see his postseason????? It looks to me like he may have turned the page in his career!!!!


So what is that 5 games? Sure he may have turned the corner. Maybe Albert Pujols turned the corner and is going to decline. Sure anything is possible but we got a guy who has years upon years of past evidence to look at. We have his regular season body of work for this year. Both for the Angels and the Cards. I seriously doubt Weaver has turned the corner simply because he pitched good against 3 different teams over 3 weeks.

[ChrisLDuncan]

So what is that 5 games? Sure he may have turned the corner. Maybe Albert Pujols turned the corner and is going to decline. Sure anything is possible but we got a guy who has years upon years of past evidence to look at. We have his regular season body of work for this year. Both for the Angels and the Cards. I seriously doubt Weaver has turned the corner simply because he pitched good against 3 different teams over 3 weeks.

Well it isn't just five games though, those are the most important five games of their lives. This is what they play for "They Live for This", I wasn't saying did they turn the corner. I was saying do they look like morons for letting a WS MVP go and a guy who had a good post season. If there is a time to play well it's the post season. However I would be more inclined to agree with RapMaster there is no way, I mean they got Cabrera a guy who was key in the awful events in October of 2004, and Jeff's brother Jerod was lights out.

[PhilWings24]

Do the Angels look foolish now for letting David Eckstein and Jeff Weaver go? I mean it looks like the Cards will win the WS, and Eckstein will probably be the MVP...and Weaver contributed too. Were the Angels wrong to let these guys go?

no, they look foolish for signing jeff in the first place, and they have orlando cabrera (so no need for eckstein)

[Senior skittles]

spiezio was on that angel team aswell!

[plask_stirlac]

Yeah, Spiezio! :) Spewzio.

No mentions of Mathis and McPherson being supposed stars?

I agree, signing Weaver is a bigger mistake than cutting him loose. And losing Eckstein is not a mistake, even if he had two great WS games. 22 AB in the Series and all of a sudden every SS is vintage Nomar. He wasn't good in the previous two series, he and the no. 2 spot starved Pujols.

Eckstein has some serious problems... hoe got on base okay, but I'm hesitant to say he did it very well. ZILCH for power, head had 172 total bases. That's much more like a hit total; Pujols had 177 hits.

Maybe if they kept Spiezio in 2004, a mediocre AAA player, they REALLY would've made the playoffs! Then he could ALMOST hit like a good pinch-hitter in the ALCS.