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Rookie1914
10-25-2006, 10:00 PM
Albert Pujols scout is now stocking shelves at Wal-Mart in Arkansas. Is this how the Cardinals repay the man who brought them their beloved Cardinal? Here is the link to the article: Enjoy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=thompson_wright&id=2637763&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1)
Gashouse6
10-26-2006, 05:11 AM
Albert Pujols scout is now stocking shelves at Wal-Mart in Arkansas. Is this how the Cardinals repay the man who brought them their beloved Cardinal? Here is the link to the article: Enjoy (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2006/columns/story?columnist=thompson_wright&id=2637763&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1)
Great article. I can't believe Pujols said those things about Karaff.
runningshoes
10-26-2006, 05:20 AM
Though the slugger is wildly talented, he's also as sensitive as a junior high cheerleader
After reading that, I like him a whole lot less.
Rookie1914
10-26-2006, 08:51 AM
Yeah, I am disappointed in Albert. I tell my wife that he looks like Tiger Woods out there, he never looks like he is having any fun. Loosen up Albert and enjoy it, take it all in.
hubkittel
10-26-2006, 11:30 AM
i brought the article up in the cards forum in the context of a pujols backlash that is going on now. here's a link to the thread: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=52449
i described the article as a hatchet job. a long article humanizing the scout, describing his firing by the cards (who did a well need reorginization of their scouting department) as some kind of human rights violation, and then the two quotes by pujols, taken out of context. it seems to me that the entire point of the article was to bring up those two quotes and make pujols look like a jacka**. mission accomplished.
Rookie1914
10-26-2006, 01:16 PM
Every time Pujols says off-the-cuff things, Pujols fans say it's taken out of context. I don't understand that. He is just being quoted.
:noidea
hubkittel
10-26-2006, 01:40 PM
Every time Pujols says off-the-cuff things, Pujols fans say it's taken out of context. I don't understand that. He is just being quoted.
:noidea
the quotes were taken out of the context of the original articles that they were included in and then placed in another article that didn't have anything to do with what pujols was talking about. that is the textbook definition of taking something out of context.
i'd like to see the original articles that the writer was quoting. i'd like to hear a quote from pujols given to the writer of this article that addresses the scout and his currant situation. why does pujols feel the way he does about this scout? we don't really know. it's inferred in the article but not specificly addressed.
i'm a pujols fan and a cards fan. no denying that. but i'm not one of kool aid drinkers. if pujols is acting like a jerk, i'll call him on it. i just feel that this writer had an agenda and pulled those two quotes off the internet to support that agenda.
Rookie1914
10-26-2006, 01:43 PM
Derek Lee has class and would never say anything like that to be taken from one conversation and put in another. He's a class act all the way. I never have to defend him.
hubkittel
10-26-2006, 01:44 PM
If it's happening now, it's current, so I think it could have been started in either unless of course you're thinking it's a conspiracy against Albert. :laugh
yet another example of the vast anti pujols conspiracy at work! ;)
ChrisLDuncan
10-26-2006, 01:44 PM
Yeah apparently Pujols is a huge tool too, it's just that the StL media was covering it up.
hubkittel
10-26-2006, 01:49 PM
Derek Lee has class and would never say anything like that to be taken from one conversation and put in another. He's a class act all the way. I never have to defend him.
lee is a good ballplayer and, from everything i hear, a decent human being. but we've all said things that, if exposed to the light of day, would make us look less than angelic. shoot, i do it everyday. i thank God that there's no reporters around when i'm running my mouth.
pujols recieves substantially more scrutiny than lee-he's the best player in the league if not in all of baseball, he's in glare of october every year, etc. it's the nature of the beast and reporters do love a good game of "gotcha".
hubkittel
10-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Yeah apparently Pujols is a huge tool too, it's just that the StL media was covering it up.
i refer you to james' new historic baseball abstract, p 900. it's james' article on doc gooden and he mentions pujols by name when talking about how the media treats new superstars. i have the full quote over in the cards forum in the "is pujols the new bonds" thread.
Wade8813
10-26-2006, 04:15 PM
I think my biggest problem with this whole situation is that it seems quite possible that Pujols did say exactly that and mean it in exactly the way implied; but that Pujols is just mistaken. Those comments seem more likely to be the statements of someone who's misinformed, not someone who is overly sensitive.
SoxSon
10-26-2006, 05:32 PM
I cleaned this thread of posts debating about which forum it should go to, and now I'm moving it to CE. The article is a current event, and I agree that it might be interesting to get more perspectives on the whole thing.
Moved to CE.
Rookie1914
10-26-2006, 06:22 PM
I cleaned this thread of posts debating about which forum it should go to, and now I'm moving it to CE. The article is a current event, and I agree that it might be interesting to get more perspectives on the whole thing.
Moved to CE.
Thanks...........
MudvilleMike
10-27-2006, 07:56 AM
Great article. I can't believe Pujols said those things about Karaff.
I'm struggling to see what is so bad about those quotes.
cardsfanatic
10-27-2006, 08:14 AM
Honestly, what is the big deal about those quotes? If Pujols is the only player he ever had make it to the big leagues from players he helped sign and he thought Pujols would never make it to the big leagues -- that probably _IS_ why he got fired. He's obviously not a very good scout.
MudvilleMike
10-27-2006, 08:17 AM
Honestly, what is the big deal about those quotes? If Pujols is the only player he ever had make it to the big leagues from players he helped sign and he thought Pujols would never make it to the big leagues -- that probably _IS_ why he got fired. He's obviously not a very good scout.
I certainly wouldn't go that far! I can appreciate Pujols' feelings, but I wouldn't have fired the scout.
Rookie1914
10-27-2006, 08:20 AM
Honestly, what is the big deal about those quotes? If Pujols is the only player he ever had make it to the big leagues from players he helped sign and he thought Pujols would never make it to the big leagues -- that probably _IS_ why he got fired. He's obviously not a very good scout.
He's not the only one to make it to the bigs under Karaff. Most Cardinal fans know of Karaff and he is worthy. They threw him to the wolves.
cardsfanatic
10-27-2006, 08:25 AM
He's not the only one to make it to the bigs under Karaff. Most Cardinal fans know of Karaff and he is worthy. They threw him to the wolves.
What other players did he scout and end up in the bigs? I've been a Cardinal fan for 22 years and I've never heard of this guy except when he's mentioned with Pujols.
cardsfanatic
10-27-2006, 08:32 AM
I certainly wouldn't go that far! I can appreciate Pujols' feelings, but I wouldn't have fired the scout.
Being an MLB scout is just like any other job. Just because you have one good day (the Pujols signing) where you did your job mildly well, it doesn't make up for the other days where you weren't helping the company with your being there. Basically, this guy _had_ to be the one to find Pujols in the Cards organization because he was assigned the Kansas City territory. So, because he was lucky or even good one time, does that really make him worth it to the organization to keep around?
A player had to be a future hall of famers and dropped in his backyard before he could even find a MLB caliber player -- and even then, he felt he'd never make it to the bigs and was average talent.
rockin500
10-27-2006, 09:02 AM
After reading that, I like him a whole lot less.
why? because the man is human? Agree with MM that I am struggling to see whats so bad about the quotes.
Rookie1914
10-27-2006, 09:08 AM
why? because the man is human? Agree with MM that I am struggling to see whats so bad about the quotes.
He's only been in the MLB for 6 years and he's already pompous. That is not a good trait to have in any sense. I hope he quits soon.
hubkittel
10-27-2006, 10:58 AM
I hope he quits soon.
i'm sure you do rook, i'm sure you do. :waving
hubkittel
10-27-2006, 11:07 AM
the reason the scout was fired was for the same reason a lot of scouts have been getting fired lately. a couple of years ago, the cards reorganized their scouting department. they brought in some kid with a computer to run the dept who has begun to aply the new metrics to the cards scouting, player development, player procurement, etc. with the state of their farm system, this was a long needed adjustment. when teams do this, they tend to let a lot of the old timers go. it's a shame but it happens. the guy just got downsized when they brought in a new person to head his dept-it happens to people everywhere all the time.
pujols had nothing to do with the scout losing his job. i think it is implied that pujols had something to do with it or could have stopped it from happening if he had just been a better human being.
i've said it before but i'll say it again: the writer had an agenda. it was a hatchet job.
Captain Cold Nose
10-27-2006, 11:21 AM
He's only been in the MLB for 6 years and he's already pompous. That is not a good trait to have in any sense. I hope he quits soon.
Yeah, his team wins too much. Why not let someone else in that division win for a change. Besides, the Astros, who win too much, too.
Rookie1914
10-27-2006, 12:05 PM
i'm sure you do rook, i'm sure you do. :waving
I hope he "quits" with the careless things he says.
hubkittel
10-27-2006, 01:17 PM
I hope he "quits" with the careless things he says.
it's odd when you see people who have tremendous success and they don't seem to enjoy it. pujols looks like he's at that point now. i can't imagine what it's like to be in his shoes.
there are people who say "oh, he makes x number of million dollars-what's is there to be unhappy about?" and while this is true to a certain extent, we all know that money doesn't buy happiness. it doesn't stop us from being the people that we are.
the pressure on pujols has to be extraordianary. think about it-he is expected to put up these hall of fame type numbers year in and year out. he is expected to carry the cards to a championship year in and year out. if he doesn't perform up to our expectations then he's a choker, a failure. and i'm sure that no one puts more pressure on pujols than pujols does himself.
this is not to excuse any type of behavior that he may display but just an observation. do i wish he would comport himself like gretzy or jordan or montana did? sure. but all of those guys, at some point, did things or behaved in ways that made you scratch your head. all great athletes have egos and a degree of selfishness that's hard for us normal humans to understand.
maybe if (and i say if, if, if, if) the cards can win one more game this year, you'll see a more relax and happier person. it would be nice to see pujols smile and enjoy his success and accomplishments.
blslivewire
10-27-2006, 04:56 PM
That article was typical ESPN news manufcturing.
There's no doubt Pujols isn't the nicest guy in the world, but that article implies that he had something to do with the scout getting fired. Even if he's the world's biggest jerk, woulnd't he want all off the other scouts to get fired since they didn't notice him?
And in compliance with Mom's rule, lets remember that Pujols raises a lot of money for autism and, instead of signing a big deal with Upper Deck, Steiner or Tri Star, he sells his autographs through his own website for charity.
And if the scouts knew who Albert's personal trainer was, maybe they would have taken him sooner....
Nomtoc
10-27-2006, 05:29 PM
Now I have another reason to dislike Poo-Holes.
What's wrong with the quotes is that Pujols seems to be enjoying the misery of the person who didn't kiss his ass. It's trashy and high school-ish. What's so hard to understand about that?
That article was typical ESPN news manufcturing.
There's no doubt Pujols isn't the nicest guy in the world, but that article implies that he had something to do with the scout getting fired. Even if he's the world's biggest jerk, woulnd't he want all off the other scouts to get fired since they didn't notice him?
And in compliance with Mom's rule, lets remember that Pujols raises a lot of money for autism and, instead of signing a big deal with Upper Deck, Steiner or Tri Star, he sells his autographs through his own website for charity.
And if the scouts knew who Albert's personal trainer was, maybe they would have taken him sooner....
Well said!! I also think that what drives every great athlete is proving them selves and some times others wrong. How many times have you heard a guy say he's motivated to play X team because they passed him up in the draft.
I see it as Pujols just using this guy as fuel for his motivational fire. I don't think it's as personal ESPN would like it to be. The article barely has teeth now. He's working at Wal-Mart for benefits.
In case they don't have a Wal-Mart where you live, plenty of older men and women work there for benefits.