Brooklyn Dodger Hall of Fame

[MattM]

More than likely a dumb question, but is this an actual place? I was watching the documentary, and saw that Marty Adler is the head of the Hall, and was wondering if people can go and view the stadium seats, and various artifacts.

[musial6]

More than likely a dumb question, but is this an actual place? I was watching the documentary, and saw that Marty Adler is the head of the Hall, and was wondering if people can go and view the stadium seats, and various artifacts.

It exists!

Link as been removed since BBF rules do not allow advertising/sales.

c.

[musial6]

More than likely a dumb question, but is this an actual place? I was watching the documentary, and saw that Marty Adler is the head of the Hall, and was wondering if people can go and view the stadium seats, and various artifacts.

Link has been removed as BBF rules does not allow advertising/sales.

c.

[DODGER DEB]

First, that page is a very old page on ebbets-field.com. That mailing address for Marty does not exist any longer. Marty does not have either a website, nor an email address.

If anyone is interested in seeing all the wonderful pieces that are part of the BROOKLYN DODGER BASEBALL HALL OF FAME, the Gallery is at KeySpan Park in Brooklyn. During the Brooklyn Cyclones season it is open all the time. During the off season you must call ahead to make an appointment to see it, and see if anyone is available to show it.

c.

[musial6]

First, that is a very old page on ebbets-field.com. That mailing address for Marty does not exist any longer. Marty does not have either a website, nor an email address.

If anyone is interested in seeing all the wonderful pieces that are part of the BROOKLYN DODGER BASEBALL HALL OF FAME, the Gallery is at KeySpan Park in Brooklyn. During the Brooklyn Cyclones season it is open all the time. During the off season you must call ahead to make an appointment to see it, and see if anyone is available to show it.

c.

The Adler site STILL has lots of good info. Just hit HOME PLATE at the bottom of the page.

[DODGER DEB]

The Adler site STILL has lots of good info. Just hit HOME PLATE at the bottom of the page.

Since both site links listed are for other baseball sites, which for the most part are engaged in advertising or sales, I will remove them from our forum, since BBF does not allow advertising/sales of any kind.

c.

[buckoneill4HOF]

so then what is this stuff at the top and bottom of my page if its not advertising??

[DODGER DEB]

so then what is this stuff at the top and bottom of my page if its not advertising??

If you are referring to the BBF website advertising, those are ads that the webmaster has chosen because running a site like this, without asking members for dues, requires $$$$$$ to keep it the first class operation that BBF has become.

However, the member policy and rules, at the top of each forum's page, absolutely prohibits any personal advertising/marketing for profit, which includes advertising any other website. If you haven't read the rules, you should. If you have information that you wish to share with another member, that is prohibited in a posting, you can do so in a PM.

c.

[buckoneill4HOF]

If you are referring to the BBF website advertising, those are ads that the webmaster has chosen because running a site like this, without asking members for dues, requires $$$$$$ to keep it the first class operation that BBF has become.

However, the member policy and rules, at the top of each forum's page, absolutely prohibits any personal advertising/marketing for profit, which includes advertising any other website. If you haven't read the rules, you should. If you have information that you wish to share with another member, that is prohibited in a posting, you can do so in a PM.

c.
No, I understand the rules, your response was just a lil more "all encompassing" then I think you intended it to be, at least to this reader

[tonypug]

How come certain people can make mention of sites without deletions, and others can't. Sounds like selective censorship to me. Especially when there is no selling or advertising on the sites.

[DODGER DEB]

How come certain people can make mention of sites without deletions, and others can't. Sounds like selective censorship to me. Especially when there is no selling or advertising on the sites.

I would appreciate it if you would explain to me what you are referring to tonypug. And who do you mean by "selective censorship"?

c.

[EbtsFldGuy]

How come certain people can make mention of sites without deletions, and others can't. Sounds like selective censorship to me. Especially when there is no selling or advertising on the sites.

I agree, tonypug.

Selectivity is not unknown on this board, as in the Orwellian classic 1984.

[tonypug]

I agree, tonypug.

Selectivity is not unknown on this board, as in the Orwellian classic 1984.
Thank You EbtsFldGuy. Those of us who have been here fully understand what I am saying. Those who don't soon will.

[DODGER DEB]

Thank You EbtsFldGuy. Those of us who have been here fully understand what I am saying. Those who don't soon will.

Is that a threat, tonyp? It appears you are hanging around the wrong people these days.

Instead of the threat, why don't you just answer the question I asked you...if you can?

I'll be awaiting your response.

c.

[tonypug]

Is that a threat, tonyp? It appears you are hanging around the wrong people these days.

Instead of the threat, why don't you just answer the question I asked you...if you can?

I'll be awaiting your response.

c.
How can anything I have said be construed as a threat.

[DODGER DEB]

How can anything I have said be construed as a threat.

Quite simple, tonyp. The last line of your post, that I quoted....."Those who don't soon will".

c.

[tonypug]

Quite simple, tonyp. The last line of your post, that I quoted....."Those who don't soon will".

c.
My quote means stick around and find out for yourself.

[tonypug]

Is that a threat, tonyp? It appears you are hanging around the wrong people these days.

Instead of the threat, why don't you just answer the question I asked you...if you can?

I'll be awaiting your response.

c.
I'm hanging around with the wrong people? MOM is that you????

[DODGER DEB]

[QUOTE=tonypug]I'm hanging around with the wrong people? MOM is that you????[/QUOTE

I am STILL waiting for an answer to my original question, tonyp. That is, IF you have one!

c.

[tonypug]

[QUOTE=tonypug]I'm hanging around with the wrong people? MOM is that you????[/QUOTE

I am STILL waiting for an answer to my original question, tonyp. That is, IF you have one!

c.
The answer is all around this forum. I'm not going to take the bait.

[DODGER DEB]

[QUOTE=DODGER DEB]
The answer is all around this forum. I'm not going to take the bait.

BAIT you? Whatever are you talking about, tony?

I asked you a simple question in response to a remark you made. Why won't you answer me and give me specifics? Is it because you have NO specifics?

Seems to me you either have NO SPECIFICS, or perhaps you are getting some bad real advice on just how to answer my question.

c.

[kramer_47]

[QUOTE=tonypug]

BAIT you? Whatever are you talking about, tony?

I asked you a simple question in response to a remark you made. Why won't you answer me and give me specifics? Is it because you have NO specifics?

Seems to me you either have NO SPECIFICS, or perhaps you are getting some bad real advice on just how to answer my question.

c.

Deb I think Tony is his own man and he isn't getting advice from anybody. I think what Tony is talking about is that some people have been allowed to promote their books here, while others have had things removed because it was considered advertisement. If the site has a policy it should be for everyone involved here it shouldn't be selective or over looked for anyone.
Oldtimers, friends and the newest member should be under the same rules with no exceptions.

[DODGER DEB]

[QUOTE=DODGER DEB]

Deb I think Tony is his own man and he isn't getting advice from anybody. I think what Tony is talking about is that some people have been allowed to promote their books here, while others have had things removed because it was considered advertisement. If the site has a policy it should be for everyone involved here it shouldn't be selective or over looked for anyone.
Oldtimers, friends and the newest member should be under the same rules with no exceptions.

The fact that YOU are here talking for Tony, tells me a lot, kramer_47. So, correct me if I am wrong, but, I guess I am to assume your response to my question to him, is HIS response.

I have always enforced the BBF policy in a fair and proper way. If you are referring to PaulMCall's book, you should know that Paul was writing his book well before I came on this scene, and because he was a long time member, who, BTW, shared many of the things he was writing about with the rest of OUR BROOKLYN FORUM, everyone was happy for him when he got published. We MODS make judgement calls, from time to time, when it comes to situations like Paul's. Tony has never come to me with any complaint about anyone o anything, so for it to "come out of the blue" right now, makes me wonder the real source.

Everyone reads and knows the rules here on BBF when they become members, as least they should. BBF does not allow advertising/marketing/sales of products for profit. This includes advertising other baseball websites. Why would we want to give free advertising to our competition? If you check any of the other forums here, you will find that they are administered in the same way, and there is nothing wrong with it.

If a member has a particular situation that they would like me, or any MOD, to give special attention to, they are always free to PM me and explain. Instead what seems to be happening, some prefer to make accusations that have no substance, and when I ask for specifics, they have absolutely nothing to offer.

BTW, you can advise tonyp that he has a PM, from me, that needs his attention. Hopefully he will give it his attention in a timely manner.

c.

[tonypug]

Dear Ms. Deb. I speak for myself, I appreciate what Kramer and others say. I made my statement, the people that have posted here over the years know exactly what I mean. Let every memeber decide for themselves what I am saying. As far as your PM goes, it has been baseball fever policy that a link is allowed in the signature line. That is what I ,as hundreds if not thousands of members have done. The policy you speak of pertains to postings about other sites , I have never ever mentioned this particular site, to do so would be unprofessional. If policy has changed and everyone removes the links in their signature, I would be happy to do the same. Your saying "please remove the link... or I will" is exactly what I have been talking about.

[EbtsFldGuy]

[QUOTE=DODGER DEB]Is that a threat, tonyp?

[DODGER DEB]

Dear Ms. Deb. I speak for myself, I appreciate what Kramer and others say. I made my statement, the people that have posted here over the years know exactly what I mean. Let every memeber decide for themselves what I am saying. As far as your PM goes, it has been baseball fever policy that a link is allowed in the signature line. That is what I ,as hundreds if not thousands of members have done. The policy you speak of pertains to postings about other sites , I have never ever mentioned this particular site, to do so would be unprofessional. If policy has changed and everyone removes the links in their signature, I would be happy to do the same. Your saying "please remove the link... or I will" is exactly what I have been talking about.

Again, I ask you, GIVE ME SPECIFICS! Until you are ready and able to do just that, there is no way I can, or will, address what you are complaining about. "They know what I mean" tells me nothing. YOU made the statement. Now, you need to explain yourself and provide SPECIFICS, so I can address them! In the absence of SPECIFICS, I must assume that you have NO SPECIFICS! Case closed!

Now, about the link in your SIG. You don't have to mention it. The fact that you made it part of your SIG, says it all. That link in your SIG to that EF site is totally inappropriate here on BBF. First, it violates BBF rules in that they do a considerable amount of advertising and selling on that site (and you know that). Secondly, that site has been deleted here several times: reason, why would we want to provide a link to another baseball site? If you have someone you want to pass that info along to, you can do so in a PM. But, it cannot stay as it is.

So, again, as I asked you, in a nice way, in my PM to you early this AM, to please remove it, or, (if you chose not to) then I will. That's part of my responsibility as a MOD.

c.

[kramer_47]

[QUOTE=kramer_47]

The fact that YOU are here talking for Tony, tells me a lot, kramer_47. So, correct me if I am wrong, but, I guess I am to assume your response to my question to him, is HIS response.

I have always enforced the BBF policy in a fair and proper way. If you are referring to PaulMCall's book, you should know that Paul was writing his book well before I came on this scene, and because he was a long time member, who, BTW, shared many of the things he was writing about with the rest of OUR BROOKLYN FORUM, everyone was happy for him when he got published. We MODS make judgement calls, from time to time, when it comes to situations like Paul's. Tony has never come to me with any complaint about anyone o anything, so for it to "come out of the blue" right now, makes me wonder the real source.

Everyone reads and knows the rules here on BBF when they become members, as least they should. BBF does not allow advertising/marketing/sales of products for profit. This includes advertising other baseball websites. Why would we want to give free advertising to our competition? If you check any of the other forums here, you will find that they are administered in the same way, and there is nothing wrong with it.

If a member has a particular situation that they would like me, or any MOD, to give special attention to, they are always free to PM me and explain. Instead what seems to be happening, some prefer to make accusations that have no substance, and when I ask for specifics, they have absolutely nothing to offer.

BTW, you can advise tonyp that he has a PM, from me, that needs his attention. Hopefully he will give it his attention in a timely manner.

c.

I wasn't talking for Tony just trying to interpet what he was saying, Tony does a very good job talking for himself. As far as having one rule for PaulMCall and another rule for just about everyone else that is wrong. A rule is a rule no matter how long he's been here, if other organizations such as the U.S. Army thought like you do they'd have mass confusion. If the Army said Master Sgt Jones can do whatever he wants but Private Smith you have to abide by the rules Private Smith would have to wonder what's going on here. PaulMCall has mentioned his book not once, not twice, not three times but 4 times in the OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS in Literature thread the last one wasn't a post but just an unabashed plug for his book. Either the rules should be changed to apply to everyone or he has to stop taking advantage of the leniency you are giving him because he has been here so long.

[kramer_47]

[QUOTE=kramer_47]

The fact that YOU are here talking for Tony, tells me a lot, kramer_47. So, correct me if I am wrong, but, I guess I am to assume your response to my question to him, is HIS response.

I have always enforced the BBF policy in a fair and proper way. If you are referring to PaulMCall's book, you should know that Paul was writing his book well before I came on this scene, and because he was a long time member, who, BTW, shared many of the things he was writing about with the rest of OUR BROOKLYN FORUM, everyone was happy for him when he got published. We MODS make judgement calls, from time to time, when it comes to situations like Paul's. Tony has never come to me with any complaint about anyone o anything, so for it to "come out of the blue" right now, makes me wonder the real source.

Everyone reads and knows the rules here on BBF when they become members, as least they should. BBF does not allow advertising/marketing/sales of products for profit. This includes advertising other baseball websites. Why would we want to give free advertising to our competition? If you check any of the other forums here, you will find that they are administered in the same way, and there is nothing wrong with it.

If a member has a particular situation that they would like me, or any MOD, to give special attention to, they are always free to PM me and explain. Instead what seems to be happening, some prefer to make accusations that have no substance, and when I ask for specifics, they have absolutely nothing to offer.

BTW, you can advise tonyp that he has a PM, from me, that needs his attention. Hopefully he will give it his attention in a timely manner.

c.

I wasn't talking for Tony just trying to interpet what he was saying, Tony does a very good job talking for himself. As far as having one rule for PaulMCall and another rule for just about everyone else that is wrong. A rule is a rule no matter how long he's been here, if other organizations such as the U.S. Army thought like you do they'd have mass confusion. If the Army said Master Sgt Jones can do whatever he wants but Private Smith you have to abide by the rules Private Smith would have to wonder what's going on here. PaulMCall has mentioned his book not once, not twice, not three times but 4 times in the OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS in Literature thread the last one wasn't a post but just an unabashed plug for his book. Either the rules should be changed to apply to everyone or he has to stop taking advantage of the leniency you are giving him because he has been here so long.

[EbtsFldGuy]

Tony Pug,

Since I was "Orwellized" by the moderator an hour or so ago, I'll try it this way.

No way, no how, nowhere, no time and by no sane person is what you said a "threat"

[DODGER DEB]

Tony Pug,

Since I was "Orwellized" by the moderator an hour or so ago, I'll try it this way.

No way, no how, nowhere, no time and by no sane person is what you said a "threat"

YOU are getting close to going over the line, EbtsFldGuy!

I strongly suggest you cease the personal attacks against this Moderator. Consider this a warning.

c.

[tonypug]

YOU are getting close to going over the line, EbtsFldGuy!

I strongly suggest you cease the personal attacks against this Moderator. Consider this a warning.

c.
Dear Ms. Deb, you keep proving my point with your words and actions, better then I ever could.

[tonypug]

[QUOTE=DODGER DEB]Is that a threat, tonyp?
I guess it is illegal to make analogies.

[Mattingly]

How come certain people can make mention of sites without deletions, and others can't. Sounds like selective censorship to me. Especially when there is no selling or advertising on the sites.
Tony,

Since yourself and/or others mentioned Paul McCall here, as well as one person being a "general", while another newer person was a "private" who was bound by tighter set of rules, please provide examples of this.

As to outright promotions of books, one must seek the approval of the Admins here, which would be Sean ("webmaster") and Darren ("The Commissioner").

Here is the BBF Forum Policy (http://www.baseball-fever.com/announcement.php?f=43), as seen at the very top in an "Announcement" on the top of this and other BBF forums.

[tonypug]

Tony,

Since yourself and/or others mentioned Paul McCall here, as well as one person being a "general", while another newer person was a "private" who was bound by tighter set of rules, please provide examples of this.

As to outright promotions of books, one must seek the approval of the Admins here, which would be Sean ("webmaster") and Darren ("The Commissioner").

Here is the BBF Forum Policy (http://www.baseball-fever.com/announcement.php?f=43), as seen at the very top in an "Announcement" on the top of this and other BBF forums.
I know the forum policy. Have I broken it in any way? I made a comment, I can't help the way someone reacts or over-reacts to it. I know I haven't done anything wrong, I will sleep fine tonight.

[kramer_47]

Tony,

Since yourself and/or others mentioned Paul McCall here, as well as one person being a "general", while another newer person was a "private" who was bound by tighter set of rules, please provide examples of this.

As to outright promotions of books, one must seek the approval of the Admins here, which would be Sean ("webmaster") and Darren ("The Commissioner").

Here is the BBF Forum Policy (http://www.baseball-fever.com/announcement.php?f=43), as seen at the very top in an "Announcement" on the top of this and other BBF forums.

Obviously you didn't completely read what I said because you took it completely out of context. I'll say it without using outside examples, if a few are allowed to break the rules it isn't fair to the others. Just because PaulMCall has been here a long time doesn't exempt him from the rules. It would be selective to allow one but not another, you can't be strict with one person and let another run wild.

[Shotgun Shuba]

This is in no way baseball related. Grow up and move on. DD if you were not involved you would have stopped this 10 posts ago.

[Mattingly]

Obviously you didn't completely read what I said because you took it completely out of context. I'll say it without using outside examples, if a few are allowed to break the rules it isn't fair to the others. Just because PaulMCall has been here a long time doesn't exempt him from the rules. It would be selective to allow one but not another, you can't be strict with one person and let another run wild.
I'm not too sure I've misread or misunderstood you. You'd claimed a double standard was being used, correct? One for Paul McCall and another for others. Are we on the same page with that one?

If Paul McCaul did indeed promote his book(s) on this site, then please provide examples. Not that I'm distrusting you, but I'd like to see how this was done. Please also provide similar examples of how others have done the same, then we can compare the two.

Clear as mud now?
I know the forum policy. Have I broken it in any way? I made a comment, I can't help the way someone reacts or over-reacts to it. I know I haven't done anything wrong, I will sleep fine tonight.
With that being only 1/2 of what was mentioned, if you believe that a double standard were being used, please provide examples.

Thx.

[kramer_47]

I'm not too sure I've misread or misunderstood you. You'd claimed a double standard was being used, correct? One for Paul McCall and another for others. Are we on the same page with that one?

If Paul McCaul did indeed promote his book(s) on this site, then please provide examples. Not that I'm distrusting you, but I'd like to see how this was done. Please also provide similar examples of how others have done the same, then we can compare the two.

Clear as mud now?

With that being only 1/2 of what was mentioned, if you believe that a double standard were being used, please provide examples.

Thx.

I mentioned it in my last post but I'll repeat it here "PaulMCall has mentioned his book not once, not twice, not three times but 4 times in the OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS in Literature thread the last one wasn't a post but just an unabashed plug for his book". If you read the OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS in Literature thread you can't miss it, the book is even mentioned by other members in this thread.

[Mattingly]

I mentioned it in my last post but I'll repeat it here "PaulMCall has mentioned his book not once, not twice, not three times but 4 times in the OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS in Literature thread the last one wasn't a post but just an unabashed plug for his book". If you read the OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS in Literature thread you can't miss it, the book is even mentioned by other members in this thread.
If, in a thread about the Brooklyn Dodgers in Literature, a respected forumer, who's received approval from one of the Admins, posts about his book on the Brooklyn Dodgers, I would consider this to be very relevant to the topic on hand--Brooklyn Dodgers in Literature.

Now then, as to the link that was removed here, may I ask what relevance it would be to this thread, that being the Brooklyn Dodger Hall of Fame?

I'm presuming it would be a very similar scenario for someone to compare the two, as to different standards, wtih one for the "more favored or 'General'", and another for the "less favored or 'Private'" reference made earlier in this thread. Now then, who else here has a book they're selling about the Brooklyn Dodgers?

Hopefully, in the end, we'll return to the Brooklyn Dodgers HoF.

I'm also curious why others didn't seem to object too much to Paul's posts promoting his book when they were originally made, but are referencing them now?

[tonypug]

If, in a thread about the Brooklyn Dodgers in Literature, a respected forumer, who's received approval from one of the Admins, posts about his book on the Brooklyn Dodgers, I would consider this to be very relevant to the topic on hand--Brooklyn Dodgers in Literature.

Now then, as to the link that was removed here, may I ask what relevance it would be to this thread, that being the Brooklyn Dodger Hall of Fame?

I'm presuming it would be a very similar scenario for someone to compare the two, as to different standards, wtih one for the "more favored or 'General'", and another for the "less favored or 'Private'" reference made earlier in this thread. Now then, who else here has a book they're selling about the Brooklyn Dodgers?

Hopefully, in the end, we'll return to the Brooklyn Dodgers HoF.

I'm also curious why others didn't seem to object too much to Paul's posts promoting his book when they were originally made, but are referencing them now?
All I can do is shake my head and say Mattingly, Mattingly, Mattingly. I hope you understand what I am saying.

[Mattingly]

All I can do is shake my head and say Mattingly, Mattingly, Mattingly. I hope you understand what I am saying.
In that case, why don't you try explaining what you're saying. I'm very open to reasonale explanations.

Since you say you're so familiar with the Forum Policy, then I presume that you're aware that no links to chat sites, including those that sell things, have been a part of our policy for some time now, correct? Even those that don't sell things are simply not permitted. You may not link to other baseball or sports sites here without getting the strict approval of one of the Admins here.

In the case of Paul McCall, he'd sought and received permission from one of the Admins to discuss his book about the Brooklyn Dodgers. As mentioned by kramer_47, he did so in a thread specifically about the Brooklyn Dodgers in print. I would consider that to be a very relevant thread to do so.

Now can you please explain how the link removed would equate to this? I would really like to hear your reply.

As to BBF Forum Policy (http://www.baseball-fever.com/announcement.php?f=43), per the Announcement by our Admin and site owner, as seen on the Brooklyn and all the other forums here:

VI. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who chose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam related or pornography based, no warning at all will be provided and the member will be suspended immediately without a warning.
Emphasis added to the words "web sites". As also seen in the sentence following this, things of interest to the baseball community here will be allowed, with the Admins' approval. I believe that Paul McCall's mentioning of his book would fall into that category. It was given approval by an Admin here, and was posted into a thread where it would be most relevant in this forum.

Thank you very much.