CKL Expansion Thread

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--This thread will be dedicated to the CKL expansion draft. The live draft will commence at 8PM EST on Friday, October 27, running thru the end of the 10th round. The expansion pool and draft order are set, so if you new owners want to get a running start feel free to pick any time. No clock until next Friday though.

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--The first listing, by position, may be incomplete. It includes at least most players and the ones who I might have missed are going to be fringe types. The second listing, by team with salary, should have everybody. The attachment lists everybody currently on a roster. Everyone listed as farmed ("f" by their name) is in the expansion pool. These three lists should give you sufficient data to build a good draft list.
--By Position;
C: Ken Retzer, Cam Carreron, Merrit Ranew, Gary Kolb, Jimmy Schaffer, [
1B: Roy Seivers
2B: Frank Bolling, Chuck Cottier, Chuck Hiller
3B: Don Hoak, Hector Lopez, Lou Klimchock, Bubba Phillips
SS: Eddie Brinkman, Eddie Kasko, Roy McMillan
LF: Al Ferrara, Lee Walls, , Manny Jimenez, Frank Howard, Roman Mejas, Charlie Maxwell
CF: Russ Synder, Ken Berry, Jim Landis
RF: Gino Cimilli, Marty Keough
SP: Warren Spahn
RP: Jim Roland, Dallas Green, Bill Dailey, Don Elston, Jack Spring, Art Fowler, Bill Fischer, ]Jerry Walker, Ken McBride, Frank Bauman,

By team, with salaries
Knights
CL: Don Elston (1M, 61 draft)
Longman: Bill Dailey (1M, 61 draft/trade from Hard Cider)
LH Setup: Jack Spring (1M, 61 draft)
C: Cam Carreron (1.25M, 61 draft)

Gamblers
OF Russ Snyder (1m, 61 Draft)
RHP Art Fowler (1.75m, 61 Draft)
Hard Cider
C: Yogi Berra (1.5M) '61
C: Jimmie Schaffer (750K) '61
IF: Johnny Goryl (500K) '61
OF: Gary Kolb (500K) '61
SP: Warren Spahn (7.75M) '61
RP: Frank Funk (1.5M) '61
RP: Dick Calmus (500K) '63
Redbirds
Chuck Hiller 750K, 61 draft
Ken McBride 1.75M, 61 draft
Ken Berry 250K, 62 draft
Eddie Kasko 1.25M, 61 draft
Duke Snider 1.75M, 61 draft
Carl Warwick 750K, 61 draft
Cannons
1B-Roy Sievers (1.25, 51 draft)
2B-Frank Bollling (1.25, 61 draft)
RF-Al Ferrara (.25, 63 draft)
RP-Jim Roland (.5, 62 draft)
Skipjacks
Legends
C, Merritt Ranew (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, John Boozer (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
Shoeless Joes
OF Howard Frank 16.50 4-Yr Contract (1962-1965)
OF Landis Jim 1.00 1961 Draft
OF Mejias Roman 0.50 1961 Draft
OF Alusik George 0.25 1961 Draft
OF Maxwell Charlie 0.25 1961 Draft
3B Phillips Bubba 1.00 1961 Draft
P Baumann Frank 0.75 1961 Draft
P Bridges Marshall 0.50 1961 Draft
Diablos
Joe Cunningham (1.25, 61)
Don Hoak (1,0m 61)
Hector Lopez (.50, 61)
Phillies
f Ellis Burton cf Ssp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Dallas Green mr Lsp R 29 100 0 0 0
ff Lee Walls rf Rsp R 31 100 0 0 0
Senators --Contract--
f Harry Bright 1b Rsp R 34 100 0 0 0
f Eddie Brinkman ss Rsp R 22 100 0 0 0
f Gino Cimoli rf Rsp R 34 100 0 0 0
f Chuck Cottier 2b Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Ken Retzer c Lsp R 30 100 0 0 0
Athletics --Contract--
f Bill Fischer mr Rsp R 33 100 0 0 0
f Manny Jimenez lf Lp R 25 100 0 0 0
f Lou Klimchock 2b Lp R 24 100 0 0 0
f Jerry Walker mr Rsp R 25 100 0 0 0

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First Round
Gold Sox - Johnny Callison
Edgar's - Chris Short
Stingers - Claude Osteen
Second Round
GS - Tony Cloninger
E- Tony Gonzalez
WS- Chuck Hinton
3rd round
GS- Tommy Harper
E - Earl Battey
WS - Norm Seiburn
4th round
GS- Deron Johnson
E- Robin Roberts
WS- Bob Shaw
5th round
GS- Willie Davis
E- Jim King
WS - Jim Gilliam
6th round
GS - Wes Covington
E- Wayne Causey
WS - Joe Nuxhall
7th round
GS - John Buzhardt
E - Don Demeter
WS - Johnny Klipstein
8th round
GS - Jack Baldshun
E- Tony Taylor
WS - Charley Smith
9th round
GS - Roy Face
E - George Thomas
WS - Manny Mota
10th round
GS - Steve Ridzik
E - Bobby Tifenauer
GS - Denny Lemaster
11/12th Round
EB - Clay Dalrymple and John Orsino
E - Jerry Lynch and Dave Wickersham
WS - Dick Howser and Doc Edwards
13/14th Round
EB - Dennis Bennett and Nellie Fox
E - John Wyatt and Roger Craig
WS - Turk Farrell and Bill Virdon
15/16th round
EB - Dick Groat and Lew Krause
E - Don Zimmer and Gus Triandos
WS - Bob Sadowski and A; Spangler
17/18th round
EB- Jim Owen and Walt Bond
E - Joe Adcock and Bob Buhl
WS - Jerry Lumpe and Albie Pearson
19/20th round
EB - Don Blasingame and Dick Stigman
e - Ed Rakow and Billy Pierce
WS - Gordy Coleman and Pedro Ramos
21/22nd round
EB- Bennie Daniels and Barry Latman
E- (Don Schwall and Al Jackson
WS - Cal Koonce and John Tstiuris
23/24th round
EB - Bob Johnson and Harvey Kuenn
E - Jack Sanford and Cleon Jones
WS - Tom Cheney and Ruben Amaro
25/26th rounds
EB - Art Mahaffey and Jose Santiago
E - Mike Shannon and Jose Navarrro
WS - Dick Donovan and Joe Gaines
27/28th rounds
EB - Lew Burdette and Tommie Sisk
E - Dick Schofield and Frank Lary
WS - Dick Trcewski and Jack Lamabe
29/30th round
EB - Ken Berry and Jim Roland
E - Russ Synder and Frank Bolling
WS - Cam Carreron and Matt Keogh

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C: Clay Dalrymple (500K, 61 draft)
1B: Deron Johnson (4M, 61 draft)
2B: Nellie Fox (2M thru 64)
3B: Bob Johnson (500K, 61 draft)
SS: Dick Groat )3.5M .61 draft)
LF: Leon Wagner (8.75M, 61 draft)
CF: Willie Davis (10.5 M thru 64)
RF: Johnny Callison (10M, 61 draft)
C: John Orsino (500k, 61 draft)

1B: Walt Bond (500K, 61 draft)
2B: Don Blasingame (750K, 61 draft)
3B: Harvey Kuenn (1.5M, 61 draft)
OF: Tommy Harper (500K, 63 draft)
OF: Wes Covington (3M, 61 draft)
OF: Ken Berry (250K, 62 draft)

SP1: Tony Cloninger (500K, 61 draft)
SP2: John Buzhardt (2M, 61 draft)
SP3: Dennis Bennett (750K, 62 draft)
SP4: Dick Stigman (750K, 61 draft)
SP5: Bennie Daniels (500K, 61 draft)

CL: Steve Ridzik (250K thru 64)
RHSU: Jack Bauldshun (500K, 61 draft)
Longman: Roy Face (2M, 61 draft)
Mopup: Barry Latman (750K, 61 draft)
Spot Starter: Jim Owen (500K, 61 draft)
P: Lew Krausse (500K, 61 draft)
P: Art mahaffey (500K, 61 draft)
P: Tommie Sisk (500K, 62 draft)
P: Lew Burdette (750K, 61 draft)
P: Jose Santiago *250K, 63 draft)
P: Jim Roland (500K, 62 draft)

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C: Earl Battey (8.5M thru 1965)
1B: Joe Adcock (6M thru 64)
2B: Tony Taylor (500K, 61 draft)
3B: Dpn Zimmer )1.25M, 61 draft)
SS: Wayne Causey (1M, 61 draft)
LF: Don Demeter (500K, 61 draft)
CF: Vada Pinson (9.75M, 61 draft)
RF: Jim King (2M, 61 draft)
C: Gus Triandos (1M, 61 draft)
1B: Don Mincher (1.5M, 61 draft)
2B: Frank Bolling (1.25M, 61 draft)
3B: Ed Charles (750k, 62 draft)
SS: Dick Schofield (750K, 61 drfat)
OF: George Thomas (500K, 61 draft)
OF: Jerry Lynch (2M thru 65)
OF: Cleon Jones (250K, 63 draft)
OF: Russ Synder (1M, 61 draft)
OF: Mike Shannon (250K thru 65)

SP1: Chris Short (10M, 61 draft)
SP2: Robin Roberts (3M, 61 draft)
SP3: Dave Wickersham (500K, 61 draft)
SP4: Roger Craig (250K, 61 draft)
SP5: Bob Buhl (1.5M, 61 draft)

CL: Don Schwall (4M thru 65)
RHSU: Bobby Tiefenauer (500K, 61 draft)
LHSU: Billy Pierce (1M, 61 draft)
Longman: Ed Rakow (500K, 61 draft)
Mopup: Al Jackson (750K, 61 draft)
Spot Starter: Jack Sanford (1.25M, 61 draft)
P: Dick Donovan (500K, 61 draft)
P: Frank Lary (1.5M, 61 draft)

Note: you don't have to follow the above template, it is just a suggested
format. (and it will make it easier for me to keep track of everybody).

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C: Doc Edwards (500k, 61 draft)
1B: Norm Seiburn (3M, 61 draft)
2B: Junior Gilliam (3.75M, 61 draft)
3B: Charley Smith (500K, 61 draft)
SS: Dick Howser (500K, 61 draft)
LF: Lou Brock (7M, 61 draft)
CF: Al Spangler (75K, 61 draft)
RF: Chuck Hinton (4M, 61 draft)
C: Bob Tillman (750K, 62 draft)
C: Cam Carreon (1.25M, 61 draft)
1B: Gordy Coleman (750K, 61 draft)
2B: Jerry Lumpe (500K, 61 draft)
3B: Dick Tracewski (500K, 61 draft)
SS: Ruben Amaro (500k, 61 draft)
OF: Manny Mota (250K, 62 draft)
OF :Albie Pearson (2.5M, 61 draft)
OF: Joe Gaines (500K, 61 draft)
OF: Marty Keough (500K, 61 draft)

SP1: Claude Osteen (10M, 61 draft)
SP2: Turk Farrell (1.5M, 61 draft)
SP3: Pedro Ramos (1.75M, 61 draft)
SP4: Denny Lemaster (750K, 62 draft)
SP5: John Titsouris (750K, 61 draft)

CL: Johnny Klippstein (500K, 61 draft) - a steal!
RHSU: Bob Sadowski (500K, 63 draft)
LHSU: Joe Nuxhall (1M, 61 draft)
Longman: Bob Shaw (2M, 61 draft)
Mopup: Cal Koonce (500K, 63 draft)
Spot Starter: Dick Donovan (500K, 61 draft)
P: Tom Cheney (500K, 61 draft)
P: Jack Lamabe (500K, 62 draft)

[leecemark]

--Just a few days until the expansion draft. I hope all out new owners have a list together and have firm plans to be there and/or have provided that list to another owner to back them up. Any owner (or their proxy) not present and ready to make their first pick within 5 minutes of the start of the draft will have their first pick skipped over. To ensure that the team is reasonably competitive, I will step in with a make up pick and the subsequent picks of any owner not present in time for round two

[J W]

--------------------------------------DM Press-----------------------------------------

Rumors are swirling in the press about who the Gold Sox are going to take with their first pick. While it is uncertain as to who the team has closed a deal with, sources have confirmed talks with several prominent and up-and-coming names:

- The biggest unprotected name out there is undoubtedly OF Frank Howard, coming off a terrific season with the Shoeless Joes where he hit 34 HRs and drove in 97 runs. Several national pundits were shocked to find Howard's name on the list... but local beat writers believe that the new ownership of the franchise is unhappy with Howard's salary. In a similar fashion, OF Willie Davis has not lived up to the large contract awarded him by the Hard Cider... but is another possibility for the first pick on talent alone.

- Another OFer people are keeping an eye on is Johnny Callison, who labored in Philadelphia before new ownership took over there. Just 25 years of age, Callison already has 6 years of "major league" experience and scouts believe after improving his power stroke he is ready for a breakout season.

- The most talked about pitcher on the list has been 24 year old Denny Lemaster of the Legends, who turned in an admirable season and whose future looks very bright. In fact, some leery scouts wonder why Lemaster is on the list in the first place. Other young promising pitchers include Claude Osteen and Chris Short, though neither have produced much so far.

- Veteran pitcher and possible HOFer Robin Roberts indicated yesterday that he wants to play another year... but several sources wonder how much he has left in the tank. With the lack of bonafide stars in this expansion draft however, one of the teams should pick him up and all three teams, including the Gold Sox, have expressed some interest.


Frank Howard is looking for a new team

[catcher24]

Who do we have present? Close to the witching hour!:clapping

[Erik Bedard]

I'm here and ready to go! Are we going by real time (8:05 by my clock) or BBF time? (7:43)

[J W]

Gold Sox now on the clock...

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--Dan you can pick whenever you're ready.

[Erik Bedard]

OK, the second Gold Sock, and first overall pick in the expansion draft:

for 10M, RF JOHNNY CALLISON!

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--Callison is much more valuable anyway. He can start for you for 5-6 years. Howard will be a free agent after 65, in addition to the price tag. Lew, Edgar is not here. Please go ahead with his pick.

[Erik Bedard]

:eek: I didn't even know he was FA eligible! Though I suppose I could've reduced his salary to 12M and kept him for a while... right?

[catcher24]

OK, I figured Callison would be the first to go. So, with the second overall pick, the Edgar ?????? will take the first pitcher:



CHRIS SHORT

[catcher24]

Nice pick on Callison, Dan. I think everyone kind of figured him to go #1, and he did.

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:eek: I didn't even know he was FA eligible! Though I suppose I could've reduced his salary to 12M and kept him for a while... right?

--No. The franchise tag can only be applied to your first pick in the rookie draft (in either 64 or 65). Players taken in the expansion draft inherit the status they held with their former team. That is shown in post in the listing by team. Willie Davis and Earl Battey are other prominent players with 1 and 2 years left on their respective deals.

[Wasp]

My first pick shall be Claude Osteen.

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--Fire away Max

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--Those would have been the first 3 picks (and in that order) for me. On to round 2.

[catcher24]

There were a couple I believe I would've taken before Osteen, but I was looking at him hard, too. A very decent pick, Max.

[Erik Bedard]

Do I pick now? If so, I'll take SP TONY CLONINGER, formerly of the Cannons.

[Wasp]

Yeah, I just wanted a guy I knew I was going to be able to keep awhile.

[Erik Bedard]

There were a couple I believe I would've taken before Osteen, but I was looking at him hard, too. A very decent pick, Max.

I kind of figured on Short or Osteen lasting to #4... unfortunately, it didn't happen. Cloninger's great for two seasons, and 1965's looking more and more like a good year for me. :cool:

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--Callison and Short were the obvious top 2 IMO. Osteen is a step back from them, but a solid starter for quite awhile. When Milt Pappas can get a 13M free agent deal, then Osteen is a decent contract at 10M.

[catcher24]

Picking for Edgar, it's time for a bat. The Edgars take Outfielder:


TONY GONZALEZ

[Wasp]

Darn, I wanted Gonzalez... Anyway, my next pick shall be Chuck Hinton.

[J W]

1967 is going to be insane in the Hulbert Division :eek:

[catcher24]

Not a bad choice, Max. I think he was the best OF available after Callison and Gonzalez.

[J W]

...not to mention Hinton can log some IF time if necessary.

[Wasp]

Not a bad choice, Max. I think he was the best OF available after Callison and Gonzalez.

Thanks. I'm really nervous about the draft. I know that these guys will be the core of my team...

[catcher24]

Posted by JW:
1967 is going to be insane in the Hulbert Division

No problem, Jason. You others can fight it out for second - I'm working on the juggernaut!!:D

[Erik Bedard]

Now my careful plan completely disintegrates on me... :ughh

Anywhere I could find how long someone's going to be under contract?

[catcher24]

You're doing fine so far, Max. And remember, I've learned (and JW, too) from experience, that if your team doesn't finish high in the standings, you get a lower rookie draft pick!!;)

[catcher24]

Who do you need to know about, Dan? I checked the entire list Mark posted and wrote down contract info for all but couple (I couldn't find them). PM me quick if you don't want to post it. Either way is OK with me.

[Erik Bedard]

For .5M, OF TOMMY HARPER, formerly of the Cannons!

[Erik Bedard]

Who do you need to know about, Dan? I checked the entire list Mark posted and wrote down contract info for all but couple (I couldn't find them). PM me quick if you don't want to post it. Either way is OK with me.

The one I was looking at was the only one I could find with a length listed. :eek: And no, it wasn't Harper.

[leecemark]

--The listing by team in post one has contract status. All the former doormats are yours as long as you want them (less forced free agency) and most of the other players are former draftees, who you'd have for at least 4 years. Howard, Davis and Battey are the only players I would have expected to go early who are on short term deals.

[catcher24]

OK, this was the one guy Edgar was pretty insistent about getting. Wouldn't be my next pick, but for the Edgars I take catcher:



EARL BATTEY

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--Battey is a very good catcher for the next two seasons and that is the weakest position in the draft. I was actually surprised I couldn't trade him before the draft.

[catcher24]

Speak of the devil, Mark - I was typing my post while you were doing yours! Battey is gone now. That was one of only three names specifically mentioned by Edgar!

[catcher24]

I think the new guys wanted to draft their own teams. I made what I thought were some decent offers, but none were accepted. I mean, geez, Juan Marichal for a third round pick??:D

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--I was actually responding to your comment that you wouldn't have picked him there yourself. I'll try to refrain from commenting on guys until after they are picked;) .

[Erik Bedard]

:ughh Looks like a repeat of my catcher situation with the Phils.

[Wasp]

For my next pick, I'll choose Norm Siebern.

[Erik Bedard]

I think the new guys wanted to draft their own teams. I made what I thought were some decent offers, but none were accepted. I mean, geez, Juan Marichal for a third round pick??:D

What? I would've made that deal in an instant! Heck, I'll do it right here, right now!

[Erik Bedard]

A bit of a reach here, but this guy fits perfectly with my strategy, and does so at a pretty cheap price (4M)

1B DERON JOHNSON, formerly of the Senators!

[catcher24]

I think maybe I had too much wine with dinner!!!;) :D

[catcher24]

Not a reach at all, Dan. He was my next pick for Edgar. A very good player, with a lot of decent seasons ahead, and a decent price. BTW, Mark, that's who I would have taken before Battey.

[J W]

Nice pick, EB. And Johnson plays a decent 3B in 1965, making him that much more valuable that year.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm already looking at a pretty decent 3B in the PFA market (guess who? ;))... which is one of the reasons I passed on Howard.

[catcher24]

OK, now that Johnson is gone, I'll grab another pitcher, something else Edgar wanted. And rather than a fresh faced youngster, the Edgars will take old war horse:



ROBIN ROBERTS

A decent deal at 3M per year.

[J W]

:laugh Would that 3B perhaps be Brooks Robinson?

[J W]

Ah, crud. I was hoping Roberts would go elsewhere... now I gotta deal with Short and Roberts in the same division.

[Wasp]

I think I'll try to make a run for it in '65, so I'll take Bob Shaw.

[catcher24]

Posted by JW:
now I gotta deal with Short and Roberts in the same division.

I know, me too. I feel rather like I'm cutting my own throat here!!:o :eek:

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--You are definately setting yourself up for a run at the cellar anyway, Lew. Edgar has landed some terrific short term talent. Still a couple front liners left too.

[Wasp]

Question: What is the salary cap again?

[catcher24]

I love the cellar!:crazy So cool and quiet down there....:hp

[catcher24]

100 Million. You've got a lot of room!! Go for it!!

[J W]

The cap is a cool $100 mil. None of you guys are even approaching that yet.

[leecemark]

Question: What is the salary cap again?


100M for your 40 man roster. Not very likely to be an issue for you this year. Unless you were planning to bid 40M a year for Brooks Robinson or someone:D .

[Erik Bedard]

I'm fast running out of options... OF WILLIE DAVIS

[Erik Bedard]

100M for your 40 man roster. Not very likely to be an issue for you this year. Unless you were planning to bid 40M a year for Brooks Robinson or someone:D .

Shhhhhh!!! :D

[Erik Bedard]

Davis was not someone I wanted to pick... but I needed to pick somebody.

[Wasp]

No, I got Shaw. I wasn't skipped.

[catcher24]

Big contract on Davis. Well, Mark, was this one of the other regulars you had in mind? For the Edgars, and for a lot less than 10.5M (but not so much upside potential ;) ), I select outfielder:



JIM KING

[catcher24]

You still here, Max??

It got pretty quiet here all of a sudden. Did everyone leave and not tell me?

[Wasp]

I pick 2B Jim Gilliam. All according to plan... :D

[catcher24]

WAS IT SOMETHING I SAID!!???:eek: :confused: :confused:

[catcher24]

Yes, Gilliam rebounds for a decent year in 1965.

[J W]

hmmm... looks like 1965 will be the year of the newcomers :D

[Wasp]

EB's probably just deciding on who to pick next.

[Erik Bedard]

OK, this guy is kind of decent in 64, and a good fourth OFer in 65, and he's pretty cheap:

OF WES COVINGTON

[Erik Bedard]

Yes, Gilliam rebounds for a decent year in 1965.

He was my next pick... :ughh

Luckily, my next one's all squared away.

[catcher24]

Decent pick, Dan. Great lefthanded platoon player.

OK, with shortstop appearing to be a weak position, for the Edgars I'll grab shortstop:



WAYNE CAUSEY

[J W]

Ugh, the Edgars are building the best 1964 team of the bunch, Lew! What, you don't want us to get the wins record? :D

[Erik Bedard]

:ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh :ughh

Time for Plan I... A-H have all been taken!

[Wasp]

I'll take Joe Nuxhall.

[catcher24]

JW, I need someone else in the division to help keep your monster 64 team a little under control! Actually, even though it's going to cost me, if I tell a guy I'll do my best for him, I try to do it. I'm old-fashioned that way.

[Erik Bedard]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! Not AGAIN!

Guess I have to take SP JOHN BUZHARDT...

[J W]

Well, you do have OF pretty much covered EB...

[catcher24]

Mark, I understand that any former doormats I take now will be 500K, correct? I've got five so far.

[Erik Bedard]

Wait... is Harper 3B eligible? He appeared in two games there in the 1964 season!

[J W]

Yes, and 2B eligible... though I doubt his 3B/2B ratings will be good.

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--Yes, 6 to whatever are 500K each. Some good vlaues still left. A few guys I'd love to have on my own team at that price (or even a little more).

[catcher24]

Well, Dan, you've gotten me twice now. Buzhardt was my next pick. A very fine 1964 season, and decent in 65, too. So, my next pick for the Edgars will be another bat instead. I select outfielder:



DON DEMETER

For the bargain basement price of 500K!!:clapping

[Erik Bedard]

Yes, and 2B eligible... though I doubt his 3B/2B ratings will be good.

Still, if I get who I hope I get in the Rookie draft, I'll need that extra OF spot.

[J W]

Correction: here are Harper's defensive ratings for '64:

RF - Av/0
LF - Av/27
CF - Fr/20
3B - Pr/99

arm: Fr

[Erik Bedard]

Well, Dan, you've gotten me twice now. Buzhardt was my next pick. A very fine 1964 season, and decent in 65, too. So, my next pick for the Edgars will be another bat instead. I select outfielder:



DON DEMETER

For the bargain basement price of 500K!!:clapping

And you just got me back... :ughh

[Wasp]

Think I'll go for a relief pitcher: Johnny Klippstein.

[mac195]

I'm fast running out of options... OF WILLIE DAVIS

:clapping

... actually that means I will have to shop a bit for a 4th outfielder, but at least I'll have the money.

[Erik Bedard]

I'll do the same (and he's cheap, too!): JACK BALDSCHUN

[Erik Bedard]

:clapping

... actually that means I will have to shop a bit for a 4th outfielder, but at least I'll have the money.

I can loan ya one... I've got too many as it is.

[J W]

Loan him back Willie Davis :laugh

[catcher24]

OK, my personal choices and Edgar's are starting to part ways here. However, it's his team, so I'll use the names on his list. For the Edgars, I take secondbaseman:



TONY TAYLOR

[Wasp]

A stretch, to say the least, but I don't see any other better 3rd basemen available: Charley Smith

[leecemark]

--Boy, Frank Howard has really slipped tonight. From being talked about as a 1st rounder to maybe not going on the first night. That big contract seems to be turning out to be a quite the turnoff.

[J W]

I think more than that, it's his 1-yr deal. Howard didn't have his best year in 1964 either.

[Wasp]

Really? I thought Howard's contract extends to 1965.

[J W]

Hold on then...

[catcher24]

Have to agree with JW. I looked at Howard, but 64 isn't a great year for him - certainly not 16M worth!

[leecemark]

--Howard does have 2 years left on his deal and is almost worth the money in 65. Willie Davis is the guy with only 1 year left on his deal. A few others also have only 1 year left, but they are the kind of guys you probably only want taking up a roster spot for the first year anyway.

[J W]

Yeah, you're right. Though 1965. Anyways, EB ducked out so I'm finishing up for him.

The Gold Sox will take P Roy Face.

[catcher24]

Your right, Max, it does go through 1965.:o BTW, check your PM's.

[catcher24]

For the Edgars, I take outfielder:



GEORGE THOMAS

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--I don't want to disrupt the draft, but I do want to let all the expansion owners know there are some players on every one of these teams that interest me in trade. I'll be making some offers in the next couple days and if you get one from somebody else sooner, shoot me a PM before closing the deal. I might be willing to top the offer.

[J W]

Oh, no. Lew taking my players for Edgar's team? :crazy

[Wasp]

I'll pick Manny Mota.

[catcher24]

Nice pick, Wasp. I wanted to take him for Edgar a couple picks ago, but that name isn't on his list at all, so I didn't do it.

[leecemark]

--That is 9 rounds in the books. I'd rather not go past the scheduled 10 with proxies so 1 more and then the Gold Sox will be on their 8 hour clock for round 11 and 12 (its two picks at a time for rounds 11-30). Still some good talent out there.

[Wasp]

Mark, will there be a time of day where the clock stops?

[catcher24]

The best of the former doormats are all gone now, though. I think the best talent left now is the unprotected free agents, and a couple of the other unprotected players. But I think each expansion team got a solid core of players, and with the rookie draft and Trader Mark still upcoming, they'll be competetive for sure!!

[catcher24]

JW, whenever you're ready. I have my next pick for the Edgars set to go. Then Wasp, and this will be on the clock and we'll put it to bed for tonight.

[J W]

...this is tough, Dan handed the reigns to me and told me to throw the list out.

I need to pick someone who's at least on the list, so we'll go with P Steve Ridzik. Ridzik was #7 on his board.

[leecemark]

Mark, will there be a time of day where the clock stops?

--No, but you won't lose your picks if you miss your window. Just make them up when you are next in line (or claim 4 when you are next on the clock). The difference between player 31-32 and 35-36 isn't going to be that significant. If they is somebody you really want, I'd grab them tonight with your 10th pick though. My recommendation to all of you would be to make playing time where you have a hole as big a criteria as talent for the next 20 rounds. You'll be lucky to get 2 starting quality players in the rookie draft and free agent process.

[catcher24]

Well thanks, JW. Now I DON'T have a pick! I'll have to go back and review for a minute.

[catcher24]

I'll finish drafting the first ten for the Edgars by taking relief pitcher:



BOBBY TIEFENAUER

[Wasp]

I'm taking Denny Lemaster mainly as trade bait since he has a pretty good '64 season. Well, we're done. Let's catch some sleep.

[J W]

Solid night and good luck everyone.

Good WS game brewing, BTW...

[catcher24]

OK, looks like everyone did fairly well. Good luck the rest of the week to the expansion owners in getting who you want!

[leecemark]

--Well Lemaster pitches alot of innings in 64. Don't know that I'd call them good innings, but 200+ IP could be usefull. He won't be one of the guys I make an offer for though.
--Nice job everyone. You should be able to build solid teams with tonight as a base.

[leecemark]

Solid night and good luck everyone.

Good WS game brewing, BTW...

--If the Tiger pitchers could just field their @#!@ position it would be a better series:grouchy .

[leecemark]

--The intro posts have been updated. Drafted players have been bolded in the player availablity post, the first 10 rounds of the draft are recorded and the expansion rosters are updated.

[mac195]

--I don't want to disrupt the draft, but I do want to let all the expansion owners know there are some players on every one of these teams that interest me in trade. I'll be making some offers in the next couple days and if you get one from somebody else sooner, shoot me a PM before closing the deal. I might be willing to top the offer.

Same goes for me. In fact, an unwritten rule in this league is that no deals can be made with Mark until I have a chance to pass on them first. ;)

Please PM me with any ideas you have. Just about all my players are tradable.

[leecemark]

--The Gold Sox clock for rounds 11-12 is expired. Edgar is on the clock (and the Gold Sox can still make their 2 picks whenever Dan gets back). The Stingers may make their picks as soon as Edgar does or anytime after 135PM EST if he doesn't pick by then.
Round 11-12
Gold Sox - clock expired, two make up picks coming
Edgars - on the clock for two until 1335EST
Stingers -

[J W]

Considering his clock has expired, I'll continue proxy for EB to keep things going... but since he'll likely be here by his next picks I'll end it here.

Dan is worried about the catcher position, so I will address that. The Gold Sox select C John Orsino and C Clay Dalrymple.

[catcher24]

Well, he has warm bodies at the position now, JW. But I don't think he actually has addressed his catcher problem!!:hp ;) OPS+ in 64/65: Dalrymple, 83/70; Orsino, 80/102. :eek:

[J W]

Dalrymple's got VG/VG def and improved on his bat in '61 (uy, that was rough) and Orsino can be an ok platooner the following year, followed by Dalrymple again in '66. Now he just needs a #1 catcher through the draft or free agency.

They're both cheap too. I totaled his salaries, which are at $43 mil for 13 players thanks to the $30+ mil outfield he put together. I think the Gold Sox may be out of the Frank Howard sweepstakes.

[Edgartohof]

Well, Howard WOULD be an improvement in my outfield, but that salary is just a bit too much for me, so to help shore up out there, I am getting Jerry Lynch, who as a left hander will be great for platooning, and with his 129 OPS+, I can live with that.

Also, I am going to go with Pitcher Dave Wickersham, who posts a decent 107 ERA+ in '64, but does so in 250+ innings.

[leecemark]

==Stingers on the clock for 2, expiring at 636PM EST.

[Wasp]

I'll pick SS Dick Howser and C Doc Edwards.

[leecemark]

--EB on the clock for rounds 13-14. Time expires 1:08AM EST.

[leecemark]

Well, he has warm bodies at the position now, JW. But I don't think he actually has addressed his catcher problem!!:hp ;) OPS+ in 64/65: Dalrymple, 83/70; Orsino, 80/102. :eek:

--You'd like to have better than an 80 something OPS+ platoon at catcher, but you could do worse (it looks like the Stingers will:hp ). Dalrymple was the 2nd best catcher (maybe the best value at 8M less than Battey) in this draft. There aren't any catchers to be had in either the FA market or the rookie draft, so this is probably the best he could hope for in 64 - and maybe even several years.

[Wasp]

--You'd like to have better than an 80 something OPS+ platoon at catcher, but you could do worse (it looks like the Stingers will:hp ). Dalrymple was the 2nd best catcher (maybe the best value at 8M less than Battey) in this draft. There aren't any catchers to be had in either the FA market or the rookie draft, so this is probably the best he could hope for in 64 - and maybe even several years.

I'm hoping to get a better catcher through a trade.

[Erik Bedard]

That was a very nice pick. Thank you very much, JW.

Roster filler:

SP Dennis Bennett and 2B Nellie Fox (a little expensive, but my middle infield is nonexistent)

[leecemark]

==Papi's Pirates on the clock. Expires 431AM EST.

[Edgartohof]

Sorry it took so long to actually post my picks, I'll take Wyatt, and Roger Craig.

[leecemark]

--Stingers on the clock, expires 858M EST. Thats 10 minutes away, so EB get ready.

[catcher24]

Posted by Edgartohof:
I am going to go with Pitcher Dave Wickersham, who posts a decent 107 ERA+ in '64, but does so in 250+ innings.

I like the Lynch pick, but I didn't pick him for you because he wasn't on your list. Same for Dave Wickersham. I wanted to pick him about sixth or seventh for you, but didn't want to take a name not on your list. I think at this point (12th pick) he's an absolute steal. He's above league average three of the next four years in ERA+ and eats up a lot of innings. My only reservation about him is his WHIP. It's a bit high because he walks almost three men per game, which can hurt in this league. He averages less than one HR per 9 IP in 64, and in 65 only allows one every 16 IP - darn good, considering he pitched at Tiger Stadium probably half his innings.

[catcher24]

Posted by Mark:
There aren't any catchers to be had in either the FA market or the rookie draft, so this is probably the best he could hope for in 64 - and maybe even several years.

Don't want to give any hints, but unless my list was messed up, they're not looking hard enough.

[Erik Bedard]

SS DICK GROAT and SP LEW KRAUSSE.

Groat is a regular for 1964, hitting .292, though with only one HR (:grouchy), and Krausse has two good seasons, though they're after I need him, which is why I picked him so late.

[leecemark]

--Pirates are on the clock and the Stingers have 2 make up picks coming when ever Max checks in.

[Wasp]

I'll take SP Turk Farrell and CF Bill Virdon.

[leecemark]

--Edgar's clock expires at 422 PM EST. Wasp you will be back on the clock for rounds 15-16 then or sooner if the Pirates get their pick in.

[Wasp]

I'll take RP Bob Sadowski and LF Al Spangler.

[J W]

Well, there they start goin'... 5/9 taken for me with four more I'm sure goin' soon.

That means I'll have two players left in my farm system when it's all done... and they're both getting released. :p

[catcher24]

I've only lost 2/9 so far, and I know for sure two others won't go - they have basically no value. But I may yet lose five more.

[Edgartohof]

I'll take 3Bman Don Zimmer, and backup Catcher Gus Triandos.

Dimmer isn't great, but his OPS+ (96) isn't the worst of the litter, and I am quite happy with my backup backstop, who posts a decent 115 OPS+ this upcoming season - even better than my starter!

[leecemark]

--Three gone for me. Battey would have helped my team, but was too expensive to keep as a weak side platoon player. Bennett is a decent pitcher, but didn't really have a role for me. Gilliam I would have liked to keep (not that I thought there was any chance of it). I may end up regretting the trade that pushed him into the expansion pool. Two, possibly 3, of my players still exposed would be welcomed back. The others will be headed to the unemployment line if they can't catch on with the expansion teams.

[leecemark]

--Okay we are caught up thru round 16. The Gold Sox are back on the clock.

[Erik Bedard]

I select two cheap filler pitchers: Jim Owens and Dave Morehead, both from the Phillies. Question: Morehead was signed by me in the offseason. He still counts as a former doormat, right?

[leecemark]

--Morehead is a free agent and not eligible for this draft. You've got another pick coming.
--Meanwhile, The Pirates are on the clock thru 3PM EST.

[Edgartohof]

I'll take 1Bman Joe Adcock, and SP Bob Buhl

[leecemark]

--Stingers on the clock til 7PM EST. Gold Sox still have a makeup pick for Morehead coming.

[Wasp]

I select 2B Jerry Lumpe and CF Albie Pearson. BTW, Mark, you forgot to put SP Turk Farrell on my roster list.

[Erik Bedard]

I have three picks, correct?

I'll take Walt Bond for some pop off the bench, Don Blasingame as a middle infielder, and Dick Stigman as filler.

[J W]

Papi's Pirates now feature Roger Craig, George Thomas, Jerry Lynch and Gus Triandos on their team. I think our games are going to feel like a reunion. :D

They also pounced on Joe Adcock. I was wondering when he was going to go, and was surprised it took this long. Though I guess there's only one team really gunning for 1964 (and the way things are looking, the Pirates are not going to be an easy win this season).

[catcher24]

Gus Triandos was the catcher I was thinking of when I made the post that you guys weren't looking hard enough. Has a very decent season in 64, with the 115 OPS+. Could actually be part of a platoon. Having 220 PA as a right handed hitter would make him the righty swinging half of a platoon.

[catcher24]

Yeah, I kind of hated to see Adcock go, although I can use the 6M losing him frees up. But he and Mincher made a great platoon last year, and would have again this year - 26 HR, 23 2B, 92 RBI between them in 63, and both have statistically better seasons in 64.

[catcher24]

The Legends front office today announced a major deal with the Pirates. The Legends will be sending popular centerfielder Vada Pinson, power hitting firstbaseman Don Mincher, and minor league thirdbaseman Ed Charles to the Pirates. In exchange, the Pirates will send centerfielder Tony Gonzalez and their first round pick in the 1965 rookie draft to the Legends.

Legends management issued a statement:

" It is with great reluctance that we part with these three players. Vada was a key part of our team since it's inception and has provided our fans with many thrills. We feel he has many good years left However, Tony Gonzalez is a quality centerfielder who we feel can replace Pinson's bat and glove. We believe the money saved in sending his contract to the Pirates can help us address other issues this team faces. Most notably, we would like to improve our pitching.

It was also difficult to part with two of our fine young prospects, Don Mincher and Ed Charles. We feel Mincher will develop into a consistent power hitter in the near future, and we also feel Charles has a fine future. However, with Willie McCovey set to move to first base this season, and with Ron Santo continueing to improve at third base, we felt it better to trade these players for a pick in next year's draft, especially since our second round pick was traded to the Cider. Our scouts have told us there are three or four good young pitchers who will be draft eligible next year, and as I mentioned previously we are definitely looking to improve our pitching."

Edgar, please confirm the trade: Pinson/Mincher/Charles for Gonzalez/Pirates 1965 first round draft pick.

[leecemark]

--Pirates on the clock, expiring 1048PM EST. They also have a big deal to confirm.

[Edgartohof]

I am confirming this trade, and I will have my picks up in a little bit.

[leecemark]

--The sooner the better, your clock is expired. The Wasps clock is ticking.

[Edgartohof]

I will take:

relief pitchers Ed Rakow, and Billy Pierce

Rakow can pick up a bunch of innings, and isn't that bad (98 ERA+), and Pierce is decent himself, and can take about 50 innings of work.

[leecemark]

--Good picks. Pierce was the best LH set up guy on the board and Rakow is solid and durable. Just a closer away from being a really good team.

[Edgartohof]

I'm actually extremely happy with my team. I was looking for an immediate impact, instead of a look to the future (which may definitely hurt me down the road - i.e. after the '65 season), but I look to be fairly competitive in both '64 and '65. But like I said before, who knows after that.

[leecemark]

--The Stingers clock is expired. Gold Sox up, with make up picks to the Stingers whenever Max checks in.

[Edgartohof]

Does anyone know when the clock expires(d)? By my calculations it was at 3:00 eastern time, which would make it my turn, but I don't want to accidently take away from anyones time.

I figure since my window ended at like 11:00 PM eastern time, yesterday, and it has been 16 hours since then, I believe it is my turn, but if someone could check this out too that would be great.

[Wasp]

I select 1B Gordy Coleman and P Pedro Ramos.

[Erik Bedard]

While I was looking for a pick, Wasp goes and takes one of the guys I had set! Anyway, I'll take Bennie Daniels and Barry Latman.

[catcher24]

The Legends announce a trade with the Stingers. The Legends will send promising young prospect Lou Brock, along with catcher Bob Tillman, to the Stingers for the Stingers' first round draft pick in the 1967 rookie draft.

Legends management issued the following statement:
"We feel the time has come to part ways with young outfielder Lou Brock. He has been in our minor league system three years and, although he has shown some improvement, we simply cannot justify paying him 7 million per year to play in our farm system. We trust that a new environment, particularly with the expansion Stingers, will light a fire under Lou and allow him to reach his full potential. We also hate to part with our young backstop Bob Tillman, but with Bill Freehan having a sensational season in the minors last year we think it's time to turn the catching over to Freehan this season. We hope that the pick we received from the Stingers will help us in the late 60's and on into the next decade."

Max, please confirm the trade: Brock/Tillman for your 1967 first round rookie pick.

[Wasp]

I confirm the deal with Lew.

[leecemark]

--Its your turn for sure now Robert. Your clock started with Dan (EB)'s pick.

[leecemark]

The Legends announce a trade with the Stingers. The Legends will send promising young prospect Lou Brock, along with catcher Bob Tillman, to the Stingers for the Stingers' first round draft pick in the 1967 rookie draft.

Legends management issued the following statement:
"We feel the time has come to part ways with young outfielder Lou Brock. He has been in our minor league system three years and, although he has shown some improvement, we simply cannot justify paying him 7 million per year to play in our farm system. We trust that a new environment, particularly with the expansion Stingers, will light a fire under Lou and allow him to reach his full potential. We also hate to part with our young backstop Bob Tillman, but with Bill Freehan having a sensational season in the minors last year we think it's time to turn the catching over to Freehan this season. We hope that the pick we received from the Stingers will help us in the late 60's and on into the next decade."

Max, please confirm the trade: Brock/Tillman for your 1967 first round rookie pick.

--That makes the Stingers look a little more dangerous. Tillman is a solid catcher and Brock will put some spark in the lineup. Lew has just about cornered the market on the star studded 67 draft though. He should get at least a couple Hall of Famers that year.

[Edgartohof]

I will take relief pitcher Ryne Duren, and Starter Al Jackson

Jackson isn't too hot the next couple of seasons, but has a good '66, and he can be a mopup pitcher in the mean time.

[leecemark]

--Duren was the best option in this draft for upgrading that pen. I don't see many holes in your roster.
--Stingers on the clock.

[Erik Bedard]

How is Duren available if Morehead isn't? :confused:

From the 1963 Offseason thread:


The Washington Senators sign free agent MR Ryne Duren.

[leecemark]

--I guess he isn't then. I only knew Morehead wasn't because you told me you signed him as a free agent. Sorry, Robert the Pirates will need to draft a replacement for Duren.

[mac195]

Lew, you've cornered basically the entire '67 draft now haven't you? Are you aiming for that one perfect season, maybe in '69 or '70. What do you predict as your peak year?

[catcher24]

Posted by Mark:
Lew has just about cornered the market on the star studded 67 draft though. He should get at least a couple Hall of Famers that year.


Posted by Mac:
Lew, you've cornered basically the entire '67 draft now haven't you? Are you aiming for that one perfect season, maybe in '69 or '70. What do you predict as your peak year?

Guys, I sure wish I could say that I have that class cornered, but I "only" have five picks at this point, and two of them (Mac's and Chris's) will, I'm pretty certain, be towards the low end of the first round. They might all be, for that matter. For sure I'll be able to get five very good to great players, though. I originally was aiming for 1968 as my peak, but it's looking like 69 or 70. It could still be 68, depending on who I get in this draft, in 65 and in 66. And there is a possibility, again depending on the three intervening drafts, that it could be 67. The players I project to be seven of my eight everyday players in 1967 (as of now) have OPS+ of 144,160,106,153,107,152,152, a decent lineup to be sure. But my pitching is still pretty much up in the air, except for Marichal - who just happens to have his WORST two seasons from until 1970 in 67 and 68!!:( If I could just talk JW into sending me Yaz for that triple crown season in 67....:D :laugh

[Wasp]

I select SP Bennie Daniels and RP Cal Koonce.

[leecemark]

--Daniels was picked by the Gold Sox with their last selection.
--Gold Sox on the clock. Stingers have a replacement pick coming for Daniels and the Pirates have one coming for Duren.

[Wasp]

To replace Daniels, I'll pick SP John Tsitouris.

[leecemark]

--The Gold Sox clock has expired. Pirates are up for 3 selections. Dan make your picks whenever you check in.

[leecemark]

--An hour left on the Pirates clock and the Gold Sox still have those make up picks.

[Erik Bedard]

Solid backups:

Bob Johnson and Harvey Kuenn

[J W]

As if it matters, but...

The Skipjacks enact the 9-player rule and remove Gary Geiger and Cal McLish from the pool.

...the Skipjacks will release McLish to the FA pool but retain Geiger for now.

[catcher24]

I can't believe you lost nine players already!!:eek: I'm still only at three. I really thought four of the others would be gone by now, because IMHO they were better players than some of the guys getting picked, but they may yet get taken. The final two are pretty worthless after 1963 (unless you're looking for someone with a -28 (yes, minus 28) OPS+ or a 58 ERA+) and I didn't anticipate they'd get selected.

[Wasp]

I guess I'm up... I take RP Tom Cheney and SS Ruben Amaro.

[leecemark]

--Gold Sox on the clock. Pirates have 3 make up picks to make.

[Edgartohof]

I'll take Jack Sanford, and Cleon Jones.

Sanford can eat some innings, and Jones has a few good seasons ahead, such as hitting .340 in 1969. My pick of Cleon is one of my few picks that take a look to the future past 1965.

My makeup pick will be Don Schwall - this settles me in with a closer for next season.

[leecemark]

--Jones does have some good seasons ahead. You may not have the benefit of that .340 season though. As a 63 draftee he will be a free agent after 1968. You will have the inside track on resigning him anyway.
--Don Schwall settles the closer position? I woudn't be too crazy about entrusting his 4.32 era with the late inning leads. He does have one thing going for him -he only gave up 1 HR in 50 IP.

[leecemark]

--Gold Sox clock is expired. Pirates on the clock, with the GS having 2 picks to make up.

[catcher24]

Well, Robert, you got Cleon Jones and it didn't take a top 10 pick. You get a very nice season in 1968, and if you can resign him, you get two more very nice seasons in 69 and 71.

I had originally signed Schwall with his 1965 season in mind, as well as protection for Bill Freehan!:D I hope he works out well for you, but that WHIP scared me then, and it still scares me!

[Edgartohof]

--Don Schwall settles the closer position? I woudn't be too crazy about entrusting his 4.32 era with the late inning leads. He does have one thing going for him -he only gave up 1 HR in 50 IP.

I was talking about his 2.92 ERA in '65 (120 ERA+) - not great but decent.

[Edgartohof]

I'll take Mike Shannon and Julio Navarro

[Erik Bedard]

Shannon was on my list... of course, with all my OFs, I had no room for him.

[leecemark]

--How about you share us a couple names from your list. You've got 2 make up picks coming. Stingers on the clock.

[Erik Bedard]

Art Mahaffey and Jose Santiago.

My list is pretty much gone now.

[leecemark]

--You'll need to add a little to it. 4 rounds left. As long as you avoid guys on free agent deals you don't have to keep them though. There will be a 72 hour window to non-tender players at the conclusion of this draft. Free agents can't be non-tendered though. You would have to buy out their deal at 50% of its remaining value.

[Wasp]

I'll take SP Dick Donovan and RF Joe Gaines.

[catcher24]

I think I see where the expansion teams will pay the price now. The every day lineups all look pretty decent, but the pitching quality is sorely lacking! I imagine there will be some bidding for FA pitchers by the expansion owners when the FA auctions come up.

Oh, BTW, I have Jack Kralick, Ray Culp and Al Downing. ;)

[leecemark]

--I don't think the pitching situation is that dire. The Pirates have an above average rotation and a solid bullpen. They could use a closer, but I expect they will finish in the upper half of the league in pitching. The Gold Sox have some issues in the back of the rotation and lack bullpen depth, but could finish near the middle of the pack. The Stingers have the worst pitching of the three IMO, but might not have the worst pitching in the league.
--BTW, I also could spare a pitcher if the price is right. Curt Simmons and Bob Friend both contribute well over 200 innings of above average work. Simmons is marginal in 65, but Friend more or less repeats his performance.
--I also have a deep core of releivers. Barney Shultz and Bill Henry have great seasons and are not untouchable. Billy Stafford is a step back of them, but could close for several teams and wouldn't be as expensive. Arnie Early is a very good LH set up guy.

[leecemark]

--The Gold Sox clock is expired again, Pirates on the clock.

[J W]

Don't forget we have several quality pitchers in the PFA market this season in case our newcomers want to fill in their staff...

[leecemark]

--The Pirates clock has also expired. The Stingers are on the clock and both the Pirates and Gold Sox have make up picks coming.

[Edgartohof]

I'll take backup SS Dick Schofield and RP Frank Lary

Schofield is a switch hitter, who I can platoon at times with Causey, and Lary has a decent '65 season (hope not to use him this season).

[Erik Bedard]

Lew Burdette and Tommie Sisk.

[catcher24]

Well, with Sisk going, I'm six down and one to go. I only have one more player I expect will probably go.

[leecemark]

--Only 8 players left to draft overall. This should be wrapped up by tomoorow night. Once its in the books there will be 72 hours for teams to non-tender or buy out undrafted players they don't want to keep. The rookie draft is one week from tonight. Time for the rest of us to get involved in shaping our rosters.

[catcher24]

Yeah, the pitching isn't as bad as I thought. I guess I should have checked those rosters first. I was looking at the pitchers getting picked in the time frame I made my post, who weren't all that great. But earlier on, they all picked up some good arms.

Pirates definitely have a solid rotation this year, better than my own I dare say. You're right about them needing a closer. Gold Sox have a decent staff, but I'd take mine over theirs. The Stingers have some issues this season, but I think their staff improves a bit in 1965, while the other two staffs have a drop off. Shaw has a tremendous season as a starter (200+ IP) in 65, and will be the most improved pitcher (on paper) of any of those three staffs in 1965. And of course, I imagine two of the three teams will own Luis Tiant or Phil Niekro after the first three rookie picks! Either of those will be excellent additions to their team's staff.

[Erik Bedard]

I was kind of mad when Howard didn't go in the first round, because I had to take Cloninger sooner than I wanted to. But it worked out all right.

[Wasp]

Sorry for not being on yesterday; my internet was knocked out. Anyway, I'll take 3B Dick Tracewski and RP Frank Lary.

[catcher24]

Max - Edgar took Frank Lary in post 209. You have a makeup pick coming.

[Wasp]

I'll take SP Jack Lamabe.

[leecemark]

--Gold Sox up for their last 2 picks.

[Erik Bedard]

Ken Berry and Jim Roland.

[leecemark]

That completes the Gold Sox draft. Pirates on the clock.

[catcher24]

Well. Lamabe is the seventh one of mine to go. I know the other two won't, so I guess I won't lose anyone else. Boozer and Ranew will be nontendered when we get that far.

[Edgartohof]

I'll take Russ Snyder and Frank Bolling.

The only decent player that's left is Howard, and his contract is too much, though I an still surprised someone didn't pick it up.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm not going to pay 16.5 million for a 24-HR season and an 18-HR season. No way, especially when I've already got Callison.

[Edgartohof]

I'm not going to pay 16.5 million for a 24-HR season and an 18-HR season. No way, especially when I've already got Callison.

True. But we would all probably be willing to pay that for his 40 HR seasons :rolleyes:

[leecemark]

--Somebody will have that chance. He is a free agent after 1965. I expect he is going to get a huge 5 year deal for his 66-70 run.
--Stingers on the clock for their last 2 picks.

[Erik Bedard]

True. But we would all probably be willing to pay that for his 40 HR seasons :rolleyes:

Yes, but I would only get those two mediocre seasons, when I could get comparable production from Wes Covington, for a good deal less.

[Wasp]

I'll pick C Cam Carreon and RF Marty Keough.

[leecemark]

--That officially concludes our expansion draft. Teams have until midnight EST on Tuesday to non-tender/excerise the buy out on any exposed, but undrafted players.
--I was kind of hoping Carreron would make it thorugh to save me from having to find a 3rd catcher. The Knights non-tender all our left overs; Dailey, Elston, and Spring

[leecemark]

--JW or Wil please close this thread. Further business should be conducted on the offseason thread.