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J W
10-13-2006, 12:12 PM
The first three results are in from the preliminary round:

A) Minnie Minoso won with 30/33 votes (91%) over Al Oliver and Mickey Vernon
B) Bobby Bonds won with 18/33 votes (55%) over Tony Oliva and Roger Maris
C) Joe Torre won with 20/34 votes (59%) over Gil Hodges and Luis Tiant

These three will constitute the first semifinal. Now for the next set of three prelims...

With 27 candidates this year the format becomes simple. Nine groups of three will compete for nine (9) spots in the semifinals. The 9 semifinalists will compete for three (3) spots in the finals. Then a winner is determined.

Players were seeded randomly (aka, drawn from a hat). Some groups will therefore be tougher than others... but that never stopped the World Cup. Polls will last for one week, three at a time (to avoid cluttering up the main page).

--- GROUP F ---

Joe Gordon (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gordojo01.shtml) - 2B for the Yankees and Indians. Gordan manned 2B for the Yankee dynasty of the 1940s, and was a significant part of the Cleveland revival of the late '40s and early '50s. He went on to achieve 9 ASGs and won the AL MVP in 1942. Gordon's teams finished 5-1 in World Series play. His most consistent comparable hitter was Jeff Kent (3 seasons).

Jim Kaat (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kaatji01.shtml) - P for the Senators, Twins, White Sox, Phillies, and Cardinals. Kaat pitched in a number of successful venues over his 25 year career, but was best known as a front-line pitcher for the Twins of the 1960s-70s. He achieved 3 ASGs and 16 GGs, a MLB record for any position. He finished as high as 5th in MVP voting (1966) 4th in CY voting (1975). His most consistent comparable pitchers were HOFer Fergie Jenkins, and Tommy John (4 seasons).

Don Newcombe (http://www.baseball-reference.com/n/newcodo01.shtml) - P for the Dodgers, Reds, and Indians. Newcombe was the ace of the Brooklyn Dodger teams of the '50s, inluding 1956 when he captured the MLB Cy Young award, the NL MVP award, and a World Series chamionship. He went to 4 ASGs; he had no consistent comparable pitcher.

KCGHOST
10-13-2006, 01:26 PM
What group of good, but flawed, candidates. Gordon had a short career and won an MVP that should have been Ted Williams. Kaat never won a major award, but would have won the 1966 AL CYA except in those days the CYA was given to just one pitcher in MLB and Koufax was still pitching. Newcomber won the RoY, a CYA, and an MVP that probably belonged to Duke Snider.

Kaat's real claim to fame is 16 GG's and lasting 25 seasons. Gordon was very productive in a 11 year career and did lose 2+ seasons to the war. Newcombe had a fine career but it was just ten years and ended due to alcoholism.

I am going to say Gordon.

EvanAparra
10-13-2006, 01:36 PM
I have a feeling i'll be the only vote for Newk

leecemark
10-13-2006, 04:58 PM
--I'd might have voted for him if he was in the Munson/Flood/Travis bracket. Of course, I would have voted for none of the above had that been an option in that poll too.

EvanAparra
10-13-2006, 05:00 PM
Haha thats what I thought about the other bracket when I saw it. I have a bias for Newk, thus my vote.

leecemark
10-13-2006, 05:11 PM
--Newk could have been a Hall of Famer if things broke a little better for him. The miitary duty mid-peak and his difficulty regaining his groove right away when he came back really hurts his profile . His drinking his way out of the league kills his career totals. Great pitcher, but not for long enough to earn a plaque.