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oscargamblesfro
10-11-2006, 09:27 AM
In the HOF of some sports, entire teams have been inducted. Has this idea ever been mooted in baseball? Should entire teams be inducted or is that a bad idea?
SamtheBravesFan
10-11-2006, 09:29 AM
I don't think it has been mentioned in baseball at all. And I don't think that it would happen at all.
Captain Cold Nose
10-11-2006, 10:09 AM
The only teams I can see getting inducted are the two teams that took the field in Hoboken in 1839 and maybe the 1869 Reds.
The only sports hll I know of that does this practice is the basketball HOF, and the very few teams inducted are pioneering teams like the New York Rens, the Original Celtics (not Boston) and the Harlem Globetrotters. Again, for pioneering reasons, not so much dominance over their opponents, although that aspect is certainly there.
I don't see any team from the "professional" era (1876, or even 1871, through the present) getting inducted.
Seattle1
10-11-2006, 10:24 AM
Maybe the 2001 Mariners would be a good candidate. 116 wins.
Captain Cold Nose
10-11-2006, 10:31 AM
Maybe the 2001 Mariners would be a good candidate. 116 wins.
A good candidate for what? Best team to not make the World Series?

Individual, single-season teams who do well can have that mentioned in each team's display at the HOF.
RuthMayBond
10-11-2006, 10:39 AM
In the HOF of some sports, entire teams have been inducted. Has this idea ever been mooted in baseball? Should entire teams be inducted or is that a bad idea?Bad idea, but if they did, maybe
27 Yanks
36-39 Yanks
10 A's
48 Tribe
98 Yanks
Yeah, that's what we need, more praise to da Yank$ :grouchy
Seattle1
10-11-2006, 11:46 AM
A good candidate for what? Best team to not make the World Series?

Individual, single-season teams who do well can have that mentioned in each team's display at the HOF.

I just wish they would have won the last game of the season to get to 117. Then of course there was the small problem of losing in the playoffs...
SamtheBravesFan
10-11-2006, 12:15 PM
I just wish they would have won the last game of the season to get to 117. Then of course there was the small probalem of losing in the playoffs...

Small? lol Yeah. That's reallllllllly small. ;)
Seattle1
10-11-2006, 12:44 PM
Small? lol Yeah. That's reallllllllly small. ;)

I know I was joking, I was being ironic. ;)

Still, taking nothing away from 116 wins in the regular season, that's awesome.

:clapping
Fuzzy Bear
10-11-2006, 08:37 PM
I know I was joking, I was being ironic. ;)

Still, taking nothing away from 116 wins in the regular season, that's awesome.

:clapping

The Mariners have less to show for their talent and best years than any other team I can think of.

As for the topic: This is an idea that would get abused. We'd get the 1984 Tigers and the 1976 Reds, which were great teams. But you know that we'd work our way down to the 1961 Yankees, who were not truly a great team, and the 1969 Mets, who were also not truly a great team.
papa~smurf
10-13-2006, 01:03 PM
The Mariners losing in 2001 was anti-climactic. If we had won the World Series I would push for them to be in this, but because they were knocked out in the ALCS, it might be hard. Still, what other teams can say they won 116 games? It took a lot of the guys on our team having career years all at once to do that, and it was fun to watch.

By the way, our 117th win was against the Indians, but we blew that right out of the water. I still don't like thinking about it.
Seattle1
10-13-2006, 04:08 PM
There should probably be a whole room in the HoF devoted to the 2001 Mariners 116 win season. Maybe there could be life-size wax statues of Lou Pineilla, Ichiro Suzuki, Edgar Martinez, Jamie Moyer, and Brett Boone.
Defense Counts!
10-13-2006, 10:33 PM
Since baseball is a TEAM sport, there should definitely be room in the hall of fame for entire teams. Of course, there shouldn't be too many, but why not celebrate excellent teams, which do not always equate to many excellent players.
RuthMayBond
10-16-2006, 11:19 AM
As for the topic: This is an idea that would get abused. We'd get the 1984 Tigers and the 1976 Reds, which were great teams.I'm not sure the 84 Tigers were truly a great team
Captain Cold Nose
10-16-2006, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure the 84 Tigers were truly a great team
1984 was the pinnacle for a very good team. It all came together that year, with several winning seasons before and after. All star-caliber everyday players and a great bullpen.
SamtheBravesFan
10-16-2006, 01:39 PM
Picking the best teams would be pretty arbitrary. There are teams that were super teams over the regular season but didn't win the World Series and there were not-so-great teams that played much better than people thought they would and won it all.

Maybe a professional panel with as few biases as possible along with some "outside" voting tally by fans, baseball people, etc. That might work.
jalbright
10-16-2006, 01:46 PM
The main problem I would have is what are the standards. I wouldn't want to do it for one year wonder teams, and I'd want some serious success. But if you go to multiple years, the cast of characters changes, which is another problem. Truthfully, I don't think there's enough consensus on what the standards should be to make it work. As far as I know, the HOFs which are meant to include professionals in hockey, football (American style), and basketball do not induct whole teams, probably for the same reasons. My gut reaction is it's a bad idea.

Jim Albright
bluezebra
10-20-2006, 10:26 AM
Maybe the 2001 Mariners would be a good candidate. 116 wins.

The 1906 Chicago Cubs had a 116 wins (.763 pct.), in a 152 game season. The Mariners did it in 162 (.716).

Bob
bluezebra
10-20-2006, 10:52 AM
The 1930 Philadelphia Athletics had six future Hall of Fame members:

Mickey Cochrane, Eddie Collins, Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Al Simmons, and manager/owner Connie Mack. Can any other team match that?

They had a 102-52 record, and defeated the St. Louis Cardinals, 4-2, in the World Series.

Bob
Murderer's Row
10-20-2006, 11:01 AM
The 1927 Yankees had seven: The Babe, the Iron Horse, Tony Lazzeri, Earle Combs, Waite Hoyt, Herb Pennock, and Miller Huggins.:clapping :clapping :clapping
Seattle1
10-20-2006, 11:16 AM
The 1906 Chicago Cubs had a 116 wins (.763 pct.), in a 152 game season. The Mariners did it in 162 (.716).

I know, I remember. Not litterally remember because I'm not that old :laugh, but I'm aware of that Cubs season. That's why I say it would have been good for the Mariners to get that one additional win. Yes, I know the Cubs win pct. still would have been better, but 117 sure would have been nice anyway.
THE OX
10-20-2006, 12:36 PM
How about those 111-43 1954 Cleveland Indians?
Stumanji
10-21-2006, 05:18 AM
If the M's 116 wins season is not "amazing" because they didn't get the ring, then all single-season records for players on losing teams should lose their appeal as well.

Except Steve Carlton going 27-10 with a 1.97 ERA in 1972... cuz that's just ridiculous. :D

Seriously though, if the Yankees or Red Sox won 116 games in a season then lost in the ALCS, we'd still hear about "the best team in baseball history". :crazy

The only reason no one cares is because it's Seattle.
Buzzaldrin
10-21-2006, 08:44 AM
The 1927 Yankees had seven: The Babe, the Iron Horse, Tony Lazzeri, Earle Combs, Waite Hoyt, Herb Pennock, and Miller Huggins.:clapping :clapping :clapping

The 26 Giants had seven as well, were managed by McGraw, and had a losing record. A bunch of HOFers doesn't mean a great team- actually, the Giants had seven for five years in a row in the 20s- different guys every year from some of the previous, and they only won pennants in two of those years.

The 33 Cards had eight including ss Durocher, and they finished fifth. But imagine the big eight at their prime- Dizzy Dean, Dazzy Vance, Jesse Haines, Burleigh Grimes on the mound, and Frankie Frisch, Rogers Hornsby, and Joe Medwick at bat. THAT would have been an awesome Cards team.
Brian McKenna
10-21-2006, 10:30 AM
The only teams I can see getting inducted are the two teams that took the field in Hoboken in 1839 and maybe the 1869 Reds.
The only sports hll I know of that does this practice is the basketball HOF, and the very few teams inducted are pioneering teams like the New York Rens, the Original Celtics (not Boston) and the Harlem Globetrotters. Again, for pioneering reasons, not so much dominance over their opponents, although that aspect is certainly there.
I don't see any team from the "professional" era (1876, or even 1871, through the present) getting inducted.

BTW - those Rens and 'Trotter teams contained a good deal of Negro league baseball players.
Seattle1
10-21-2006, 10:41 AM
If the M's 116 wins season is not "amazing" because they didn't get the ring, then all single-season records for players on losing teams should lose their appeal as well....

...Seriously though, if the Yankees or Red Sox won 116 games in a season then lost in the ALCS, we'd still hear about "the best team in baseball history". :crazy

Very well said!