View Full Version : Back to Brooklyn?
The Kid
10-09-2006, 12:40 PM
Who thinks the Dodgers should come back home?
Murderer's Row
10-09-2006, 02:40 PM
They should never have left.:evil
EbtsFldGuy
10-09-2006, 05:23 PM
As much as I loved our Brooklyn Dodgers, the return of the team would be unwise.
Ebbets Field is gone, and can't be replaced; the Flatbush we knew is no more and never will be; the characters who made up the team are not replaceable; the unique fan base we had can't be replicated; and the Brooklyn of our youth is gone forever.
Bukanier
10-09-2006, 05:32 PM
The Dodgers could have a Midwest League affiliate in Brooklyn, MI :p
I'm convinced that if a MLB team was able to move to Brooklyn, that team would easily draw 3 million fans a season. The tremendous support of the Brooklyn Cyclones is an illustration of the potential Brooklyn would have as a Major League market.
Even as part of a 3 team market, Brooklyn would outdraw the vast majority of Major League teams. The NY Metro area has over 20 million people. Combine this with the roots of baseball in Brooklyn and this would be one of the most profitable franchises in baseball.
Disgruntaledmarinerfan
10-31-2006, 01:24 AM
I would love to see the dodgers return to brooklyn, but i doubt it will ever happen. if they were to, it would wreck havoc to the divisions.
ACrank
10-31-2006, 06:15 AM
i can't see the Dodgers ever moving back to Brooklyn....
but you have to wonder if the talk about the NY area getting a third team might lead to an existing franchise (the Marlins? - the Devil Rays?) relocating to somewhere in the area - i know New Jersey is the spot most people think of, but if the NBA Nets move to Brooklyn (they are still going to do that, right?) then could that lead to the return of MLB to Brooklyn?
EbtsFldGuy
10-31-2006, 06:42 PM
The return of MLB to Brooklyn would likely generate two reactions:.
For those who remember the Dodgers, another team could never be a satisfactory replacement.
For those who don't, I suspect there would be a positive response.
But where would a major league team play in Brooklyn?
Knick9
10-31-2006, 08:08 PM
But where would a major league team play in Brooklyn?
A huge renovation to Keyspan Park would be in order then.
i can't see the Dodgers ever moving back to Brooklyn....
but you have to wonder if the talk about the NY area getting a third team might lead to an existing franchise (the Marlins? - the Devil Rays?) relocating to somewhere in the area - i know New Jersey is the spot most people think of, but if the NBA Nets move to Brooklyn (they are still going to do that, right?) then could that lead to the return of MLB to Brooklyn?
The Nets have a much clearer path to move to Brooklyn than an existing MLB franchise. The reason being, the Nets already are based in the NY Metro Area. The biggest obstacle by far to get an existing team to move to Brooklyn is the Yankees and Mets apparently have territorial rights. This obstacle could potentially be overcome via territorial rights fees. It would take an owner with long term vision to be willing to pay the Yankees and Mets a substantial piece of change.
Like you mentioned, many have mentioned New Jersey as a possibility for a MLB franchise. I have serious doubts that New Jersey would support a team over the long haul. Especially if the team isn't winning consistently. This isn't the NFL, in which theres's only 10 home games ( not counting playoff games, per season. ) A New Jersey franchise probably wouldn't draw many people from NY City. On the other hand, Brooklyn has the advantage of very strong baseball roots, as this website reflects. And it's much more accessible. Especially via public transportation.
A huge renovation to Keyspan Park would be in order then.
That would be a great location because it's accessible to the Belt Parkway and more than one Subway Line.
I would love to see the dodgers return to brooklyn, but i doubt it will ever happen. if they were to, it would wreck havoc to the divisions.
I agree with you and the others who believe it's not likely the Dodgers will return to Brooklyn. What's more realistic though is a team like the Florida Marlins, which have difficulty drawing fans and a new stadium, decides to relocate. There's a much greater chance that Brooklyn would support this franchise than San Antonio, Portland, Indianapolis, New Jersey, Norfolk, or anywhere else in the country that doesn't have a MLB. One benefit of the Marlins franchise moving to Brooklyn is it wouldn't be necessary to alter the divisions.
EbtsFldGuy
11-01-2006, 06:43 PM
Remember the pipe dreams that floated after 1957, when rumors abounded that one current franchise or another would fill the NL void in NYC?
Sadly, speculation about another team in NYC now strikes me as the same illusory thinking.
Remember the pipe dreams that floated after 1957, when rumors abounded that one current franchise or another would fill the NL void in NYC?
Sadly, speculation about another team in NYC now strikes me as the same illusory thinking.
I certainly respect where you are coming from. Though on the surface it's a longshot that Brooklyn will get another MLB team, the same could have been said for Jacksonville becoming the 30th NFL Franchise. Probably even more so. Very few people believed that Jacksonville ( a market with only around 1.1 to 1.2 million people ) could pull off an upset in the NFL Expansion process. However, prospective owner Wayne Weaver had a vision that Jacksonville could become a very successful NFL franchise. Brooklyn needs someone like Weaver, a person with a substantial amount of funds, who believes in the vast long term potential of Brooklyn as a baseball market.
What I find very impressive is that with the exception of the NY Yankees, the Brooklyn Dodgers section of Baseball Fever has more threads than any present or past team. This despite the fact that a MLB game hasn't been played in Brooklyn in over 49 years. This is a reflection of both the history of the Brooklyn Dodgers and what the future could bring.
Williamsburg2599
11-01-2006, 07:38 PM
Who thinks the Dodgers should come back home?
And the Braves should move back to Boston and the Giants to NY and the Nationals to Montreal and the Rubylegs should be playing in Worchester still,ect.., I really think that teams should never be allowed to move more than a distance of the down the block and teams should never be destroyed. Unfortunately, a few key people in baseball history disagree with me.:(
EbtsFldGuy
11-02-2006, 05:57 PM
What I find very impressive is that with the exception of the NY Yankees, the Brooklyn Dodgers section of Baseball Fever has more threads than any present or past team. This despite the fact that a MLB game hasn't been played in Brooklyn in over 49 years. This is a reflection of both the history of the Brooklyn Dodgers and what the future could bring.
Did not know that.
It IS impressive.
DODGER DEB
11-02-2006, 06:16 PM
What I find very impressive is that with the exception of the NY Yankees, the Brooklyn Dodgers section of Baseball Fever has more threads than any present or past team. This despite the fact that a MLB game hasn't been played in Brooklyn in over 49 years. This is a reflection of both the history of the Brooklyn Dodgers and what the future could bring.
Did not know that.
It IS impressive.
THAT fact has been stated and re-stated here many, many times over the past several years!
c.
EbtsFldGuy
11-02-2006, 07:03 PM
THAT fact has been stated and re-stated here many, many times over the past several years!
c.
Guess I'm in the slow class.
I missed it.
CaliforniaCajun
11-09-2006, 02:35 PM
Who thinks the Dodgers should come back home?
I do, and I am a Los Angeles native and lifetime Dodger fan. When I found out about what happened my primary allegiance switched from the Dodgers to the Angels.
Walter O'Malley is not in the Hall of Fame and probably would be if he didn't move the team 3,000 miles away. He is not a beloved figure. First he forced Branch Rickey out and then he moved. His success came from basically keeping things running the Rickey way.
The Dodgers are never coming back but I do think Brooklyn should have a Major League team. If you noticed, other plans to shift franchises were nipped in the bud, probably because of the fallout from the Brooklyn departure. Remember when the Padres were going to Washington, the Giants were going to Toronto and then Tampa Bay? A deal had been reached to move the Giants to Tampa Bay but Bud Selig forbade the sale and the Giants had to sell to someone who would keep the team in SF for $15,000,000 less.
Shotgun Shuba
11-10-2006, 05:44 AM
Sometimes lessons are learned. What is unfortunate is that many people have to suffer in the past so those in the present can avoid the same mistake.
There is not a single franchise move which would suprise me these days,
Cowboys, Packers, Red Sox, Dodgers etc.
Who ever thought the Niners would move?
NYC is too inept though to ever pull off something as great as stealing back the dodgers.
DODGER DEB
11-10-2006, 05:55 AM
Sometimes lessons are learned. What is unfortunate is that many people have to suffer in the past so those in the present can avoid the same mistake.
There is not a single franchise move which would suprise me these days,
Cowboys, Packers, Red Sox, Dodgers etc.
Who ever thought the Niners would move?
NYC is too inept though to ever pull off something as great as stealing back the dodgers.
You are so right about that, Shotgun. In 50+ years NYC still hasn't learned anything about fighting for their own...and probably never will.
While I don't think there are any of US around that really want the present day team that uses OUR Name back, OUR NAME is quite another thing!
The NAME DODGERS belongs to US, and returning it to BROOKLYN, where it belongs, and should forever rest, is the only thing left for US to fight for. :gt
Stay tuned...
c.
EbtsFldGuy
11-10-2006, 05:59 AM
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The NAME DODGERS belongs to US, and returning it to BROOKLYN, where it belongs, and should forever rest, is the only thing left for US to fight for. :gt
c.
And what would Brooklyn do with it if it were "returned"?
CaliforniaCajun
11-10-2006, 07:11 AM
And what would Brooklyn do with it if it were "returned"?
Build a new ballpark and kick butt. A Brooklyn Dodger franchise would be the crown jewel of MLB because of its history, moving away for over half a century, and coming back. That's what legends are made of. I have never been to Brooklyn but I'd think it would be revitalized if they had the Dodgers back. I don't think a community and a team have ever been linked this closely. It's like Brooklyn lost its calling card when the Dodgers left.
MATHA531
11-10-2006, 07:12 AM
The Niners are not moving out of the area...they are still well within the San Francisco marketing area where the television stations serve San Francisco...it's no different, for example, than not considering the San Jose Sharks as a Bay area team or the Giants and Jets as a NY area team....in the end had O'Malley moved the franchise to Queens or Nassau County or whatever, they still would have been the Brookyn Dodgers accessible to the same fans they always had and while it might have been a little bit of a shame, it would not have been the crime that was eventually perpetrated on the good citizens of Brooklyn.
Shotgun Shuba
11-10-2006, 02:19 PM
I love your optimism DD but Brooklyn aint never gettin' that name back. The LA franchise has the distinct pleasure of gorging itself off the memory of Brooklyn and the dollars it brings. I think a case could be made that LA has held the official name for longer and claim air tight ownership. LA doesn't need money and would lose millions in merchandising. Who would they be, the Smogs?, the Gridlocks?, the Brown Tides?, the Bullets?, you get the idea.
It would take Billions, with a "B", to get that name back.
MATHA531
11-10-2006, 02:58 PM
You know the CFL for a while had two teams with the same name...the Roughriders.....why not baseball...but of course it won't happen but how about the Brooklyn team calling itself the Dogems, I don't think the left coast imposters could stop that...write the name on the uniforms with the same script, I don't think the left coast imposters have a patent on the script and then use royal blue and white as their colors...I don't think the left coast imposters have a patent on that.
ACrank
11-10-2006, 03:29 PM
Actually one was called the "Rough Riders" and the other the "Roughriders"
MATHA531
11-10-2006, 04:35 PM
Actually one was called the "Rough Riders" and the other the "Roughriders"
Actually, believe it or not, I knew that.
But it would be pretty hard to call the new Brooklyn team the Dodg Ers :)
Right again...........they could've lived w/a10 mile crime.....just not a 3000 mile crime.
The Niners are not moving out of the area...they are still well within the San Francisco marketing area where the television stations serve San Francisco...it's no different, for example, than not considering the San Jose Sharks as a Bay area team or the Giants and Jets as a NY area team....in the end had O'Malley moved the franchise to Queens or Nassau County or whatever, they still would have been the Brookyn Dodgers accessible to the same fans they always had and while it might have been a little bit of a shame, it would not have been the crime that was eventually perpetrated on the good citizens of Brooklyn.
No patent on the colors......The Mets use the Dodger blue and Giants' orange for their caps.
You know the CFL for a while had two teams with the same name...the Roughriders.....why not baseball...but of course it won't happen but how about the Brooklyn team calling itself the Dogems, I don't think the left coast imposters could stop that...write the name on the uniforms with the same script, I don't think the left coast imposters have a patent on the script and then use royal blue and white as their colors...I don't think the left coast imposters have a patent on that.
Centreville82
04-13-2007, 04:46 PM
Even though I'm a Cardinals fan, I don't think they ever should've left. MLB belongs in Brooklyn, not in Starbucks country like California..
Brownie31
04-13-2007, 09:36 PM
If they can't get the name Dodgers back, use the name Robins from Uncle Wilbert Robinson's days (1914-1931). It could also honor Jackie Robinson.
Brownie31