1963-64 Offseason Thread [Archive]

leecemark

10-07-2006, 12:38 PM

--Off season activity for the Classic Keeper League is officially underway. Here are the deadlines;
Friday, October 20 (midnight EST): 25 man protected rosters submitted and forced free agency selections posted for teams with options. This is also the deadline for any team whiching to change parks for 1964 to post that move.
Friday, October 27 (8PM EST): Expansion draft commences. The first 10 rounds will be live, with the next 20 operating on a 2 pick at a time 8 hour clock. Please make sure you have a list to a backup owner in case you miss any of the draft. In the event an owner or his proxy is not available to pick when their turn arrives (in the live portion) or their clock exoires (the the remainder) I will make the pick(s) for them.
Monday, November 6 (midnight EST): By this point the expansion draft will be over. Any player exposed to the expansion draft and not drafted will revert to their orginal team. You will have 72 hours (Thursday, November 9 midnight EST) to non-tender or buy out the contract of those players if you don't want their salary charged against your budget for 1964.
Friday, November 10 (8PM EST): The rookie draft will commence. The first three rounds will be live. The remaining rounds (however many we get in before time runs out or everyone passes) will be on the same 8 hour clock as the expansion draft, but with only 1 player at a time drafted.
Thursday, November 16 (8 PM EST): If any forced trade players remain on their original team they will go on waivers at this time. The team with the worst 1964 record who places a claim in the following 24 hours will get that player (and his contract).
Friday, November 17 (8PM EST): the premium free agent auction will commence. These players will be individually auctioned off from lowest salary to highest. This will be a live auction. The secondary free agent auction will commence immediately following the last PFA. All players not under contract will be eligible for this auction. It will be a free for all with bids accepted on any player with no structure until the last hour.
Monday, November 20 (9PM EST): A list of players bid on and the current leading bid will be posted. For the next hour owners will be limited to one bid per post. The highest bid posted by 10:00 EST will get the player. Any owner below 40 players at this point may sign players, first come, first served, at minimum wage to get up to 40. Owners over 40 must release however many needed to get to 40 (while still having those contracts charged to their salary cap) by Wednesday, November 22 (midnight EST). Teams under at this point will be charged a 250K cap penalty for each vacant spot. Teams over will have excess players contracts voided, with the most recently signed minimum wage guys going first.
Wednesday, November 28 (midnight EST): Managerial profiles must be submitted.
Friday, December 1: Opening Day!

leecemark

10-07-2006, 12:52 PM

==All salaries updated for 1964

25 Protected Players
1B: Jim Gentile (7.75m, 61 draft)
2B: Dick Green (250K, 63 draft)
3B: Ken Boyer (8.75M, 61 draft)
SS: Dick McAuliffe (3.75m, 61 draft)
LF: Lee Maye (1M, 61 draft)
CF: Willie Mays (12m, franchise player)
C: Tim McCarver (1.25m, 61 draft)
C/1b: Don Pavletich (250K, 61 draft/trade)
SS: Leo Cardenas (2.75m, 61 draft)
1B: Ernie Banks (1M, FA62-64)
SP: Curt Simmons (1.75m, 61 draft)
SP: Bob Friend 6.75M, 1961 draft/trade)
SP: Gary Peters (4.25m, 61 draft)
SP: Don Nottebart (1.25M, 61 draft)
OF: Vic Davalillo (500K, 63 draft)
OF/1b: Lee Thomas (1.25M, 61 draft)
OF: Mack Jones (500K, 61 draft)
RP: Billy Stafford (1.50M, 61 draft/trade from Hard Cider)
SP: Vern Law (250K, 61 draft)
RP: Bill Henry (1M, 61 draft/trade with Cannons)
CL: Barney Schultz (1.5m, 61 draft)
P: Don Larsen (750K, 61 draft)
P: Bob Bruce (500K, 61 draft)
RP: Arnie Early (250K, 61 draft)
P: Bobby Bolin (1.75M, 61 draft)
70.5M for 25 players

Expansion pool
2B: Junior Gilliam (3.75m, 61 draft)
OF: Mike Shannon (250K, FA63-65)
CL: Don Elston (1M, 61 draft)
Longman: Bill Dailey (1M, 61 draft/trade from Hard Cider)
LH Setup: Jack Spring (1M, 61 draft)
Mopup: Dennis Bennett (750k, 62 draft)
C: Cam Carreron (1.25M, 61 draft)
IF: Dick Schofield (750K, 61 draft)
C: Earl Battey (8.50, FA63-65)

Free agents
3B: Eddie Mathews (10.50m, 61 draft)
OF: Mike Hershberger (2yr/250K, 62-3)
RH Setup: Gary Bell (2yr/250K FA, 62-3)
SpotSP: Joe Gibbon (250K/2yr 62-3)
C: Jesse Gonder (2yr/250K FA, 62-3)

--Note: this sample is not my final list. I hope to make a deal or two before the deadline and will probably make a few changes even if I don't.

leecemark

10-07-2006, 01:42 PM

--Attached are the preliminary rosters for 1964. If there is a discrepancy on your roster please let me know as soon as possible. For the Wasp, EB and Tinjes rosters, these are not your players. They are the remenants of the 1961 Phillies, A's and Senators and are all in the expansion pool.

leecemark

10-07-2006, 01:47 PM

Knights: Eddie Mathews
Skipjacks: Brooks Robinson
Cannons: Juan Pizzaro
Redbirds: Bill Monbouquette
Shoeless Joes: George Altman
Diablos: Ernie Broglio

leecemark

10-07-2006, 10:33 PM

1st Round

Stingers
Pirates
Gold Sox
Gamblers
Knights from Diablos
Shoeless Joes
Legends
Redbirds
Redbirds from Knights from Cannons
Cannons from Skipjacks
Gamblers from Hard Cider
Pirates from Knights

2nd Round

Stingers
Kights from Pirates
Gold Sox
Hard Cider from Gamblers
Diablos
Shoeless Joes
Legends
Redbirds
Knights from Cannons
Skipjacks
Knights from Hard Cider
Knights

3rd Round

Stingers
Pirates
Gold Sox
Gamblers
Knights from Diablos
Shoeless Joes
Legends
----Redbirds (forfeit due to playing time violation)
Cannons
Skipjacks
Cannons from Hard Cider
Knights

4th Round

Stingers
Pirates
Gamblers
Diablos
Shoeless Joes
Legends
Redbirds
Cannons
Skipjacks
Red Birds from Hard Cider
Knights

baseballPAP

10-09-2006, 06:49 AM

The Redbirds have the following moves to announce....
Dwight Siebler, Garry Roggenburk, Johnny Temple and George Smith have all played out their 1 year deals and become free agents.

The Redbirds' 25 man protected list is as follows:
C:
Smoky Burgess
Charlie Lau
IF:
Gene Oliver
Ernie Banks
Orlando Cepeda
Bob Chance
Bob Bailey
Ken Boyer
Mike de la Hoz
Dal Maxville
Zoilo Versalles
OF:
Jesus Alou
Felipe Alou
Tommy Davis
Billy Williams
Willie Smith
Tommie Agee
P:
Ray Herbert
Bruce Howard
Bob Purkey
Diego Segui
Ralph Terry
Terry Fox
Carl Willey
Hoyt Wilhelm

Thats 25 guys, and for the record, all remaining players will be non-tendered, except Eddie Kasko and Cleon Jones.

The Redbirds would also open the possibilty of trade talks involving Ernie Banks and Bob Bailey, with a 2Bman and starting pitching being the key needs.

leecemark

10-09-2006, 06:52 AM

--Scott, to assist the expansion owners in building their draft board please list your unprotected players with their projected salaries for 1964. Thanks.

The Dude

10-09-2006, 11:54 AM

Protected Players
OF Rocky Colavito (13.25m, 62-66)
OF/3B/1B Harmon Killebrew (12m, Franchise Player)
CF Curt Flood (6.75m, 61 Draft)
OF Matty Alou (2.50m, 61 Draft)
OF Rico Carty (.75m, 63 Draft)
OF Gates Brown (.25m, 63 Draft)
OF Jose Cardenal (.25m, 63 Draft)

SS Rico Petrocelli (.50m, 63 Draft)
1B Moose Skowron (1.25m, 61 Draft)
2B Cookie Rojas (.25m, 62 Draft)
2B Jerry Adair (1.75m, 61 Draft/Trade w/Lew)
3B Frank Malzone (.75m, 61 Draft)

C Elston Howard (10.75m, 61 Draft)
C Dick Brown (.25m, 62-64)
C Buck Rodgers (1m, 61 Draft)

LHP Don Mossi (1.75m, 61 Draft Trade w/Mac)
LHP Jim Kaat (7.75m, 61 Draft/Trade w/Nails)
LHP Jim O'Toole (6.25m, 62-64)
RHP Larry Jackson (5.75m, 61 Draft/Trade w/Mark)
RHP Don Lee (1.25m, 61 Draft Trade W/Mac)
RHP Mike Cuellar (4m, 61 Draft)
RHP Gaylord Perry (1m, 62 Draft)
RHP Moe Drabowsky (.75m, 61 Draft)
RHP Ron Herbel (.25m, 63 Draft)
RHP Al Worthington (1m, 61 Draft)

Expansion Pool
1B Gordy Coleman (.75m, FA 63-65)
OF Harvy Keunn (1.25m, 61 Draft)
OF Bill Virdon (1m, 61 Draft)
OF Russ Snyder (.75m, 61 Draft)
OF Manny Mota (.25m, 62 Draft)
RHP Roy Face (1.75m, 61 Draft)
RHP Bob Buhl (1.25m, 61 Draft)
RHP Art Fowler (1.50m, 61 Draft)
RHP Lew Burdette (.50m, 61 Draft)

Free Agents
3B Dick Williams (.25m/1 Year 63)
SS Roy McMillan (.25m/2 Year 62-63)
2B Jake Wood (4.75m/1 Year 63)

The Dude

10-09-2006, 11:59 AM

Mark. I've seem to misplaced Al Worthington's salary.

Trading block:
OF-Gates Brown. He's scheduled to make .25 in 1964. He's got a little power and would be good in a platoon.

leecemark

10-09-2006, 06:44 PM

--Worthington was drafted in 1961 at a 750K slot. 1963 was his first active year, making him a $1M player for 1964.

mac195

10-10-2006, 05:18 AM

Protected
C: Tom Haller (1.5M) '61
C: Johnny Romano (6.5M) '61
1B: Norm Cash (9.75M) '61
1B/OF: Ron Fairly (1.75M) '61
2B: Joe Morgan (250K) '63
2B: Billy Moran (1.25M) '61
SS: Eddie Bressoud (750K) '61
SS: Larry Brown (250K) '63
3B: Rich Rollins (1.25M) '61
3B: Dick Allen (1M) '63
OF: Frank Robinson (12M) franchise
OF Jimmie Hall (500K) '63
OF: Roger Maris (6.0M) '63-'64 2yr contract
SP: Sandy Koufax (10.75M) '61
SP: Jim Bunning (8.5M) '61
SP: Jim Perry (5.25M) '61
SP: Hank Aguirre (1.75M), '61
SP: Lee Stange (1M) '61
SP: Pete Richert (250K) '62
SP: Wally Bunker (250K) '63
RP: Sammy Ellis (250K) '62
RP: Bobby Shantz (1.75M) '61
RP: Dick Radatz (1.25M) '62
RP: Ron Taylor (500K) '62
RP: Bob Humphreys (250K) '62

Expansion Draft
C: Yogi Berra (1.5M) '61
C: Jimmie Schaffer (750K) '61
SS: Dick Groat (3.5M) '61
IF: Johnny Goryl (500K) '61
CF: Willie Davis (10.5M) 62-64 3yr contract
OF: Gary Kolb (500K) '61
OF: Joe Gaines (500K)
SP: Warren Spahn (7.75M) '61
SP: Dick Stigman (750K) '61
SP: John Tsitouris (750K) '61
RP: Frank Funk (1.5M) '61
RP: Bobby Tiefenauer (500K) '61
RP: Dick Calmus (500K) '63

Free Agents
1B: Charlie Dees
C: Ron Brand

J W

10-10-2006, 11:43 AM

wow... I thought my infield defense would be better than that. I guess range factors aren't thought of much in Diamond Mind. Not that it's a big deal this particular year... but down the road it's good to keep in mind.

baseballPAP

10-11-2006, 12:25 AM

Houston, we could have a problem.

I purged my roster post of all the players I plan to release, so I don't have any salaries for them any more. I can't see any of them being useful at any rate, but still, I forgot to note their salaries before I chopped 'em.

The only players that could remain are below:
Eddie Kasko-1.25 M
Cleon Jones-250 k

They are expansion eligible, and at least hold a little value.

leecemark

10-11-2006, 05:55 AM

--That is a bit of a problem. They may not be very good, but some of them will definatley end up on an expansion roster anyway and their salary will go forward. I'll see what I can do about reconstructing the salaries of the missing players. For everyone who still needs to get roster data posted here, please see my sample roster in post 2 of this thread. The Gamblers and Hard Cider rosters also serve as good examples.

leecemark

10-11-2006, 06:10 AM

--Scott wasn't being modest. This is a motley crew;
Chuck Hiller 750K, 61 draft
Ken McBride 1.75M, 61 draft
Ken Berry 250K, 62 draft
Cleon Jones 250K, 63 draft
Eddie Kasko 1.25M, 61 draft
Duke Snider 1.75M, 61 draft
Carl Warwick 750K, 61 draft

catcher24

10-11-2006, 01:50 PM

I'll get my rosters up later. If anyone missed my post on the 1963 season thread, everyone on my roster except Santo and McCovey is available in a trade, including Juan Marichal, Don Mincher, Jim Ray Hart, Al Downing, Lou Brock. If interested, send me a PM.

leecemark

10-11-2006, 02:01 PM

--The Knights have concluded a big trade with the Redbirds. LM sends Camilio Pascual, Woodie Held and our 3rd round pick (35th overall) to PAP for Ken Boyer and Ernie Banks. We hate to part with Camilio after he has been such a big part of our success the past 3 years, but with Eddie Mathews opting for free agency we had a hole that needed filling at 3B and in the middle of the order. Boyer takes care of that nicely. Our doctors also checked out Ernie Banks and his knee is 100% after surgery sidelined him for all of 1963. Jim Gentile has some nagging injuries and really struggled vs LHP last year, so having Ernie to share firstbase addresses another key offseason concern.

baseballPAP

10-11-2006, 06:48 PM

The Redbirds confirm. The Media in town will be glad to be rid of Banks' constant whining about playing 2B....and Held slots in nicely there for a year or so. Perenial Cy Young candidate Pascual will bolster a staff that will have trouble finding enough live bodies if the draft doesn't go well.

leecemark

10-12-2006, 02:47 PM

--The Knights swap outfielder Leon Wagner to the Gold Sox for their 3rd pick in the 1965 draft. Good Luck to Daddy Wags, the first Gold Sock!

Erik Bedard

10-12-2006, 02:48 PM

Confirmed! Whoo hoo!

538280

10-12-2006, 05:39 PM

Protected Players
C-Jim Pagliaroni (4.75)
C-John Bateman (.25)
1B-Fred Whitfield (.75)
1B-Ken Harrelson (.25)
2B-Julian Javier (1.5)
2B-Al Weis (2.5)
3B-Don Buford (.25)
SS-Ron Hansen (3.25)
SS-Denis Menke (.5)
LF-Tom Tresh (1.5)
LF-Joe Christopher (.25)
CF-Mickey Mantle (18.5)
CF-Jimmy Wynn (.75)
RF-Hank Aaron (12)

SP-Dick Ellsworth (3.5)
SP-Steve Barber (1.75)
SP-Orlando Pena (.75)
SP-Ray Washburn (1)
SP-Mudcat Grant (1.5)
SP-Joey Jay (1.25)
RP-Stu Miller (6.75)
RP-Ron Perranoski (6.75)
RP-Hal Reniff (1)
RP-Wes Stock (.75)
RP-Aubrey Gatewood (.25)

Expansion Pool
C-John Orsino (.5)
1B-Roy Sievers (1.25)
2B-Frank Bollling (1.25)
CF-Albie Pearson (2.5)
RF-Al Ferrara (.25)
RF-Tommy Harper (.5)
SP-Jack Sanford (1.25)
SP-Tony Cloninger (.5)
SP-Cal Koonce (.5)
SP-Al Jackson (.75)
RP-Jim Roland (.5)
RP-Frank Lary (1.5)

Free Agents
SP-Juan Pizarro
3B-Felix Torres
CF-Bill Bruton

leecemark

10-12-2006, 06:02 PM

--Chris, are those salaries supposed to be adjusted for 1964? They need to be and I know at least some are not. Harper, for example, played in 63 and was due a raise. Please take another look and edit as needed.

leecemark

10-12-2006, 06:08 PM

--Mike/Tonjes has withdrawn from the league, leaving us in need of another owner before the expansion draft next week. I've already sent out one invitation (no response yet) when Mike suggested he might have to withdraw this morning. If anybody has a suggestion for a good relacement owner, please let me know.

J W

10-12-2006, 08:13 PM

Protected Players
C Joe Torre (9.75)
C Johnny Edwards (1.25)
1B Boog Powell (4.25)
1B Donn Clendenon (1.25)
2B Bill Mazeroski (2.25) $
2B Felix Mantilla (1.25)
3B Pete Ward (.5)
SS Jim Fregosi (5.5)
OF Carl Yaztrzemski (12.0) *
OF Bob Allison (7.75)
OF Tony Oliva (1.25)
OF Don Lock (1.0)
OF Willie Horton (.75)
LP Whitey Ford (10.75)
LP Sam McDowell (2.0)
LP Hal Woodeshick (1.25)
RP Dean Chance (5.5)
RP Don McMahon (5.0) $
RP Joe Horlen (4.25)
RP Lindy McDaniel (1.75)
RP Bob Miller (1.5)
RP Jim Bouton (1.0)
RP Claude Raymond (1.0)
RP Ed Roebuck (.5)
RP Frank Linzy (.25)

Expansion Pool
C Gus Triandos (1.0)
2B Don Blasingame (.75)
2B Dick Green (.25)
OF Gary Geiger (1.5)
OF Jerry Lynch (1.0) $
OF Al Spangler (.75)
OF George Thomas (.5)
LP Billy Pierce (1.0)
RP Turk Farrell (1.5)
RP Barry Latman (.75)
RP Cal McLish (.75)
RP Roger Craig (.25)

Free Agents
3B Brooks Robinson
LP Dan Schneider
RP Paul Toth
RP Jack Warner

Retired
LP Grover Powell

ElHalo

10-13-2006, 04:15 AM

25 man:

C- Johnny Roseboro ($8.25)
1B- Bill White ($6.5) (four year deal through 1966)
2B- Pete Rose ($1)
SS- Luis Aparicio ($2)
LF- Willie Stargell ($1)
CF- Al Kaline ($9.5)
RF-Roberto Clemente ($12)
Bench
Utl/PH- J.C. Martin ($0.5)
Rotation
SP1- Don Drysdale ($8.5)
SP2- George Brunet
SP3- Don Cardwell ($1.5)
SP4- Milt Pappas ($13) (three year deal through 1965)
SP5- Earl Wilson ($1.25)
Bullpen
CL- Stan Williams ($1.5)
RH Setup- Eddie Fisher ($1.25)
LH Setup- Jim Brewer ($1)

Farm hands

3B- Ken McMullen ($0.25)
LF- Jose Pagan ($0.75)
SP- Wilbur Wood ($2)
SP- Fred Norman ($0.25)
RP- Fred Gladding ($0.75)
RP- Joe Hoerner ($0.25)
P - Fred Newman ($0.25)
P- Gerry Arrigo ($0.25)
P - Bill Pleis ($0.25)

ElHalo

10-13-2006, 04:15 AM

538280

10-13-2006, 04:36 AM

catcher24

10-13-2006, 10:10 AM

25 Man Protected List

C, Bill Freehan (4M, 1961 draft)
C, Bob Tillman (750K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
1B, Willie McCovey (9.75M, 1961 draft)
1B, Don Mincher (1M, 1961 draft)
2B, Ron Hunt (750K, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
3B, Ed Charles (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
3B, Ron Santo (12M, 1961 draft, Franchise player)
SS, Gene Alley (250K, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
LF, Lou Brock (7M, 1961 draft)
LF, Jim Hart (1M, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
CF, Vada Pinson (9.75M, 1961 draft)
RF, Floyd Robinson (6.75M, 1961 draft, trade with Mac)
RF, Rusty Staub (500K, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
SP, Ray Culp (500K, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
SP, Al Downing (1.25M, 1961 draft)
SP, Tommy John (750K, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
SP, Jack Kralick (2.5M, FA contract 62-64)
SP, Marcelino Lopez (250K, 1963 rookie draft, FA 1969)
SP, Juan Marichal (10.75M, 1961 draft)
RP, Ted Abernathy (1M, 1961 draft)
RP, Harvey Haddix (750K, 1961 draft)
RP, Steve Hamilton (1.5M, 1961 draft)
RP, Ron Kline (1.75M, 1961 draft)
RP, Dan Osinski (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
RP, Phil Regan (1.5M, 1961 draft)

25 Players, 77M

Expansion Draft Pool

C, Merritt Ranew (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
1B, Joe Adcock (6M, FA contract 62-64)
P, John Boozer (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Denny Lemaster (750K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Jack Lamabe (750K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Tommie Sisk (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Julio Navarro (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Steve Ridzik (250K, FA contract, 63-64)
P, Don Schwall (4M, FA contract, 63-65)

Free Agents

C, Russ Nixon
3B, Clete Boyer
3B, Jim Davenport
OF, Willie Kirkland
OF, Dave Nicholson

Retired

P, Dave Debusschere

catcher24

10-13-2006, 08:44 PM

I updated the website encyclopedia pages for Single game and Season records. While doing this, it was easy to see why the Gamblers had trouble winning - lack of offense. They broke several of the low batting records set by the horrid (sorry, JW) 1961 Skipjack batters. The following records were set or tied during the 1963 season:

Single Game Records, Individuals:

Most triples, game: Several players tied the record of 2, most recent being Willie McCovey of the Legends.
Most hit by pitch, game: Several players tied the record of 2, most recent being Roberto Clemente of the Diablos. Ouch!:laugh
Most strikeouts, batter, game: Several players tied the record of 4, most recent being Dick Stuart of the Shoeless Joes.
Most Innings Pitched, Game: A new record of 11 IP in a game was set by young hurler Gary Peters for the slavedriving Knights' ownership.:D
Most hits allowed, game: The record of 14 was tied by Ken Johnson of the Shoeless Joes. Apparently the Joes are also heartless for leaving Johnson in long enough to take this beating.:p ;)
Most Homeruns Allowed, Game: Four pitchers set the record of 4, with the most recent being Milt Pappas of the Diablos. That one's gone!!:waving

Single Game Records, Team

Most doubles, game: A new record of 9 was set by the Cannons.
Most triples, game: The record of 3 was tied by 6 teams, most recent being the Redbirds.
Most hit by pitch, game: The record of 3 was tied by 7 teams, most recent being the Gamblers.
Most homeruns allowed, game: The record of 5 was set by the Redbirds.

Season Records, Team:

BEST
Fewest strikeouts, batters: A new record of 671 was set by both the Gamblers and Redbirds.
Shortest losing streak: The record of 3 was tied by the Knights.
Best Team ERA: A new record of 3.26 was set by the Skipjacks.
Fewest walks allowed, pitchers: A new record of 390 was set by the stingy Redbirds staff. The old record was also broken by the Hard Cider, Knights and Gamblers pitchers, but the Redbirds were tops.

WORST
Lowest on base percentage: A new low of .311 was set by the Gamblers (bumblers?).
Lowest slugging percentage: Again, a new low of .350 was set by the Gamblers, breaking the pathetic .363 of the 1961 Skipjacks.
Fewest homeruns, batters:The Gamblers batters came through again (or didn't, depending on perspective) by reaching the seats a record low 82 times.
Fewest runs scored: Yes, the Gamblers again, scoring a putrid 606 runs, shattering the old record of 671. Folks, that's only 3.6 runs per game!
Fewest runs batted in: An obvious offshoot of the above record for fewest runs, the Gamblers had only 577 RBI for the entire season. :hp I think Mark had three batters with that many!!
Fewest walks, batters: Guess who!!:gt The Gamblers only managed to draw 402 walks, bettering (worsting?) the old mark of 490 by a wide margin. They were joined by the Shoeless Joes, Legends and Diablos batters, who also broke the old record. But of course, the worst of the bunch was the Gamblers.
Fewest stolen bases: NOT THE GAMBLERS!!:clapping Mark's Knights tied their own record of 20. But hey, with his hitters, who needs to steal a base?
Longest losing streak: A new record for futility, and believe it or not, it wasn't the hapless Gamblers who did it. The Diablos dropped 11 games in a row this year, establishing a new record.
Fewest strikeouts, pitchers: And the pitchers join the batters! The new record low of 698 was set by the Gamblers staff. The Diablos and Redbird pitchers also had fewer than the previous record, but the lowest was the Gamblers staff.

NOTE: I don't post season records for individuals separately, as the game Encyclopedia does that. Just click on the proper link above for single season or career batting, pitching and fielding records.

J W

10-14-2006, 09:42 AM

Ouch. :( Ah well, at least we still have:

- batting average (.250)
- ABs (5674)
- hits (1420)
- shortest winning streak (4)

...and of course that 60-108 record. The Gamblers' pitching was too good for that this season. :D Here's to a better 1964 for Dudecar!

Also, hard to believe but 2 out of 3 seasons, the Knights could not muster any more than a 3-game losing streak. C'mon guys, you can do better than that! :laugh

leecemark

10-14-2006, 01:43 PM

--As of today, these are the players available for the expansion draft. All have submitted their protected lists, but they can be edited through Friday. Bolded position players are those who were regulars in 1964 or close to it. All pitchers listed as starters threw at least 150 innings in 1964. This actually is a better looking group than I expected and all 3 expansion teams ought to be able to put decent teams on the field. All players listed as "farmed" in the attachment are expansion draft eligible.

C: Johnny Orsino, Ken Retzer, Clay Dalrymple, Gus Triandos, Earl Battey, Cam Carreron, Merrit Ranew, Gary Kolb, Jimmy Schaffer, Doc Edwards

1B: Roy Seivers, Bob Johnson, Don Demeter, Joe Cunningham, Joe Adcock, Gordy Coleman, Deron Johnson, Norm Seibern

2B: Frank Bolling, Chuck Cottier, Tony Taylor, Curt Schilling, Don Blasingame, Jerry Lumpe, Chuck Hiller, Jim Gilliam

3B: Wayne Causey, Charlie Smith, Don Hoak, Hector Lopez, Don Zimmer, harvey Kuenn, Lou Klimchock, Dick Tracewski, Bubba Phillips

SS: Eddie Brinkman, Ruben Amaro, Dick Schofield, Dick Groat, Eddie Kasko, Dick Howser, Roy McMillan

LF: Wes Covington, Tommy Harper, Al Spangler, Al Ferrara, Lee Walls, Jerry Lynch, Cleon Jones, Manny Mota, Manny Jimenez, Frank Howard, Roman Mejas, Charlie Maxwell

CF: Tony Gonzalez, George Thomas, Willie Davis, Albie Pearson, Gary Geiger, Russ Synder, Bill Virdon, Ken Berry, Jim Landis

RF: Chuck Hinton, Jim King, Johnny Callison, Gino Cimilli, Marty Keough, Mike Shannon, Joe Gaines

SP: Tony Clonginger, Al Jackson, Bennie Daniels, Dick Donovan, John Buzhardt, Art Mahaffey, Robin Roberts, Chris Short, Roger Craig, Turk Farrell, Dennis Bennett, Jack Lamabe, Denny Lemaster, Warren Spahn, Dick Stigman, John Tsitsouris, Bob Buhl, Joe Nuxhall, Dave Wickersham, Claude Osteen

RP: Cal Koonce, Frank Lary, Jim Roland, Jack Stanford, Tom Cheney, Ryan Duren, Johnny Klippstein, Jack Baldshun, Dallas Green, Jim Owen, Jose Santiago, Barry Latman, Cal McLish, Billy Pierce, Bill Dailey, Don Elston, Jack Spring, Steve Ridzik, Julio Navarro, Don Schwall, Tommy Sisk, Bobby Teifenaur, Lew Burdette, Roy Face, Art Fowler, Bill Fischer, Lew Krausse, Ed Rakow, Bob Shaw, Jerry Walker, Ken McBride, Pedro Ramos, Frank Bauman, Bob Sadowski

catcher24

10-14-2006, 08:32 PM

Yes, it looks like between the players they can pick up in the expansion draft, the rookie draft, and free agent signings, along with some judicious trades, the expansion teams may be considerably more competetive this year than was first thought.

The Dude

10-16-2006, 12:11 AM

I won't be able to live down those records, even when I win it all in 1964.

leecemark

10-16-2006, 06:38 AM

--Oops, the attachment referrenced in the expansion pool post 2 spots above doesn't seem to be there. Here are the current rosters. Again, those players listed as farmed are the tenative expansion pool.

jkc32

10-16-2006, 04:47 PM

1964 Shoeless Joe's
25-Man Protected Roster
C Bailey Ed 1.50 1961 Draft
C Azcue Joe 0.50 1961 Draft
C Cannizzaro Chris 0.25 1961 Draft
1B Stuart Dick 1.25 1961 Draft
1B Pepitone Joe 0.50 1962 Draft
2B Richardson Bobby 1.75 1961 Draft
3B Aspromonte Bob 0.50 1961 Draft
3B Alvis Max 0.50 1962 Draft
3B Wert Don 0.50 1963 Draft
SS Wills Maury 9.75 1961 Draft
OF Hickman Jim 5.00 2-Yr Contract through 63-64
OF Bowens Sam 1.00 2-Yr Contract through 63-64
OF Francona Tito 1.00 1961 Draft
P Gibson Bob 12.00 1961 Draft
P Maloney Jim 7.75 1961 Draft
P Hall Dick 3.75 1961 Draft
P McBean Al 1.75 1961 Draft
P O'Dell Billy 1.75 1961 Draft
P Johnson Ken 1.50 1961 Draft
P Sherry Larry 1.25 1961 Draft
P Veale Bob 1.00 1962 Draft
P Duffalo Jim 0.75 1961 Draft
P McNally Dave 0.75 1962 Draft
P Lolich Mickey 1.25 1963 Draft
P McLain Denny 0.25 1963 Draft
57.75 ----> 25 players

Expansion Pool
OF Howard Frank 16.50 4-Yr Contract (1962-1965)
OF Landis Jim 1.00 1961 Draft
OF Mejias Roman 0.50 1961 Draft
OF Alusik George 0.25 1961 Draft
OF Maxwell Charlie 0.25 1961 Draft
3B Phillips Bubba 1.00 1961 Draft
P Ramos Pedro 1.75 1961 Draft
P Baumann Frank 0.75 1961 Draft
P Bridges Marshall 0.50 1961 Draft
P Sadowski Bob 0.50 1963 Draft

Free Agents
OF Altman George 2.75 1961 Draft (Forced Free Agent)
SS Kubek Tony 1963 Draft
P Zanni Dom 0.25 1961 Draft

Retired
2B Neal Charlie
P Delock Ike

catcher24

10-16-2006, 08:27 PM

Mark, my most sincere apologies. I made a mistake on my FA/expansion list.:o John Boozer is an expansion pool eligible player; he is NOT a free agent. I originally signed him in the 1962 rookie draft. His 1964 salary would be 500K; he will be a FA in 1967. Sorry, I mistakenly listed him as a free agent. I edited that post, but wanted to let you and the expansion owners know that he IS available in the expansion draft.

catcher24

10-16-2006, 08:33 PM

Also, Mark, I was reviewing my roster tonight. You need to add Marcelino Lopez (or I can, if you want) to my roster. He didn't play at all in 1964, so didn't show up when I did the migration. Let me know if you want to do it, or want me to. Thanks!:waving

catcher24

10-16-2006, 08:46 PM

I'm a little confused about the expansion draft, and may have given some bad info to a couple of the new owners. I'm hoping you can clarify this, Mark. You had this information put up in Post 295 of the 1963 season thread:

The expansion pool will consist of;
1) all surviving players from the 1961 doormats, with them joining the league in their 1964 versions. Each team MUST select a minimum of 5 players from this pool. Their salary slottting will be 10M for the first and 4, 3, 2 and 1M for picks 2-5 (per team). Each addition player will be assigned a salary of 500k. These players will be on year to year deals and are yours to keep as long as you wish (excepting those who might be PFAs) with a 250K raise per season.(Emphasis mine)

So I have told a couple of the new owners that their first five selections will have to come from the pool of players created from the old doormat teams. However, our league rules say:

A. The doormats will serve through the 1963 season. They will be replaced by expansion teams in 1964. There will be an expansion draft with each original team protecting 25 of their 40 players. The unprotected 15 players from each original team will go into an expansion pool. The remaining players from the 1961 doormats will also be released into the expansion pool. Each expansion team will draft 30 players from the expansion pool, the draft proceeding in straight fashion. The salary for each drafted player shall be as follows:
a) 10 million for the first player taken
b) 4 million for the 2nd player taken
c) 3 million for the 3rd player taken
d) 2 million for 4th player taken
e) 1 million for the 5th player taken
f) 500K each for the remaining 25 players (6th through 30th).

I just want to make sure the expansion owners (and me, in case I get a proxy list), know for sure: Will the first five players taken HAVE to come from the pool of players created from the doormats? That may have been your intention all along, and I didn't get it in when I typed up the rules. I (and I imagine the expansion owners) would appreciate your clarification. That could make the difference between the first player taken being Johnny Callison or Frank Howard!

leecemark

10-16-2006, 08:46 PM

--I caught Lopez (and a few others) when updating for the protected lists. Those changes, plus the Shoeless Joes submission, are reflected in this new roster attachment. Again, any players listed as "farmed" is assigned to the expansion pool.

catcher24

10-16-2006, 08:48 PM

Wasp - Here is the logo. Let me know if it is OK. The final product will be smaller!!

catcher24

10-16-2006, 08:52 PM

Looks better in a smaller size, I think:

leecemark

10-16-2006, 08:58 PM

I'm a little confused about the expansion draft, and may have given some bad info to a couple of the new owners. I'm hoping you can clarify this, Mark. You had this information put up in Post 295 of the 1963 season thread:

(Emphasis mine)

So I have told a couple of the new owners that their first five selections will have to come from the pool of players created from the old doormat teams. However, our league rules say:

I just want to make sure the expansion owners (and me, in case I get a proxy list), know for sure: Will the first five players taken HAVE to come from the pool of players created from the doormats? That may have been your intention all along, and I didn't get it in when I typed up the rules. I (and I imagine the expansion owners) would appreciate your clarification. That could make the difference between the first player taken being Johnny Callison or Frank Howard!

--Owners can take doormat players whenever they wish. However, the salary slotting is not for 10M for the first overall former doormat, 4 next, etc. That slotting is per team. So if someone doesn't take anyone from those teams until their 10th pick and they are the 20th guy taken from those rosters it will still cost them 10M. There are a couple (or more) players off the former doormats I'd be happy to have at 10M myself (while I wouldn't touch some of the high contract exposed players). You could actually build a pretty competitive team out of just the surviving doormats, mostly because some young players off the 61 Phillies jelled into the nucleus of the 64 contenders.

leecemark

10-16-2006, 09:00 PM

--Cool logo Max.

mac195

10-16-2006, 09:28 PM

We still need updated salaries for the Diablos. Looks like Roseboro is due two raises.

leecemark

10-16-2006, 09:50 PM

We still need updated salaries for the Diablos. Looks like Roseboro is due two raises.

--Here you go

C- Johnny Roseboro ($8.75, 61))
1B- Bill White ($6.5) (four year deal through 1966)
2B- Pete Rose ($1.25, 63)
SS- Luis Aparicio ($2) - signed as FA 62-64
LF- Willie Stargell ($1. 62)
CF- Al Kaline ($9.75, 61)
RF-Roberto Clemente ($12, franchise)
Bench
Utl/PH- J.C. Martin ($0.75. 61)
Rotation
SP1- Don Drysdale ($8.75, 61)
SP2- George Brunet (.25, 61)
SP3- Don Cardwell ($1.75, 61)
SP4- Milt Pappas ($13) (three year deal through 1965)
SP5- Earl Wilson ($1.5, 61)
Bullpen
CL- Stan Williams ($1.75, 61)
RH Setup- Eddie Fisher ($1.5, 61)
LH Setup- Jim Brewer ($1.5, 61)

Farm hands

3B- Ken McMullen ($0.25, 61)
LF- Jose Pagan ($1.0, 61)
SP- Wilbur Wood ($2, 61)
SP- Fred Norman ($0.25, 62)
RP- Fred Gladding ($1.0, 61)
RP- Joe Hoerner ($0.50. 63)
P - Fred Newman ($0.25. 62)
P- Gerry Arrigo ($0.25. 61)
P - Bill Pleis ($0.50. 61)

Free Agents
Ernie Broglio - PFA
Hal Brown
Jackie Brandt
Dick Bertell
Don Leppert
Vic Power
Al Smith

Expansion eligible
Joe Cunningham (1.25, 61)
Don Hoak (1,0m 61)
Hector Lopez (.50, 61)
Jose Santiago (.25, 63)
Don Zimmer (1.25, 61)

leecemark

10-17-2006, 08:27 AM

--Three days left to make changes before the rosters are semi-frozen for the the expansion draft. After that protected players can still be traded for other protected ones (or draft picks), but the expansion pool will be fixed.
--Catcher is the weakest link of the current expansion pool. I would be happy to part with Earl Battey for a 3rd rounder if someone wants to get a jump on the competition instead of waiting for the draft to begin. He would also be an upgrade for several established teams if anyone wants to make an offer. Battey is actually the best catcher on my own roster, but Tim Carver's smaller salary and bigger upside get him the nod (he could be had instead of Battey, but it would take a blockbuster offer).
--The Knights still have an excess of bullpen talent too, if anyone is looking to upgrade there. Barney Schultz and Bill Henry have great seasons and Bill Stafford, Don Larsen and Arnie Early have very good ones. Any of them are available for the right draft choice or as part of a package to upgrade another position (RF and SP are spots where I have good players, but would bundle for a very good one).

catcher24

10-17-2006, 12:23 PM

Posted by Mark:
That slotting is per team. So if someone doesn't take anyone from those teams until their 10th pick and they are the 20th guy taken from those rosters it will still cost them 10M.

I must be slow today, because that REALLY confuses me.:confused: I don't understand how the 20th guy taken from a doormat roster (hell, KC doesn't have twenty guys) could be a 10M salary. If you mean the slotting is per doormat team, and the first one taken from each doormat roster will be 10M, the second 4M, etc, then I understand. If not, you've totally lost me.

Erik Bedard

10-17-2006, 02:24 PM

leecemark

10-17-2006, 04:04 PM

OK. Say I take Johnny Callison. He would then cost 10M. Say then that Edgar, provided he takes the open team, takes Clay Dalrymple, he would then cost 10M as well. Then Wasp takes someone not from a doormat team. Then I take Chris Short. He would then cost me 4M. Then Edgar takes some random guy, and Wasp takes Ruben Amaro. He then costs him 10M. At least that's how I figured it. Make any sense? :confused:

So basically, each of the expansion teams pays 10M for the first former doormat player they take, 4M for the next, etc.

--This is exactly correct. There are basically 2 ways to approach this. Either you take your first couple former doormats early and get reasonable value - or you go for the cream of the exposed players and skip the doormats entirely until late. You'll grossly overpay some players with the second option, but it is only a one year commitment.
--Personally I think the first option is the smarter one. There are some good players who will be good for a relatively long time on the former doormats. Plus if you get your 10, 4, 3, 2,1M slotted guys out of the way early you've got a chance to score some bargain players at the 500K price.

catcher24

10-17-2006, 04:50 PM

catcher24

10-17-2006, 05:16 PM

Dan - I worked up a logo for Wasp, and I worked one up for you as well. I have attached it to this post so you can see what you think. If you have designed your own, that's great. PM me and I'll get you me email address so you can send it to me (jpg file). If not, and if this is OK, let me know and I'll upload it. Wasp's is now on the league website, replacing KC.

Edgar, if you want to make a logo and send it to me, I'll get it up on the website. If not, I'll try to work something up when I know your team name. For samples, I did mine (Legends); Mac's Hard Cider; Wasp's Stingers; and the Diablos.

leecemark

10-17-2006, 10:55 PM

Taking Dan's hypothesis a step further, that applies to EACH team that way? In other words, Dan has Callison at 10M and Short at 4M (but I don't know how Short lasted that long!!:laugh ). Now Dan takes Chuck Hinton from Washington with say, his 7th pick. That will cost him another 10M, then if he takes Dick Howser from KC with his 10th pick that will cost him a third 10M? If that's the case, I don't perceive any Athletics being taken; I don't think they have anyone worth 10M!;)

I agree with Mark that the first option is the best plan; at least that's what I would do. And I can see a LOT more Phillies getting taken than Senators or, especially, A's.

--The slotting is for each expansion team, not each former doormat. If each of the new teams takes a former Phillie with their first pick then there would be 3 10M players from Philly and none from Washington or KC. For example;
Gold Sox: Callison, Phillies, 10M
Edgars: Howard, Shoeless Joes 16.5M
Stingers: Short, Phillies, 10M
Gold Sox, Osteen, Senators, 4M
Edgars: Battey, Knights, 8.5M
Stingers: Gonzalez, Phillies 4M
Gold Sox: Causey, Athletics, 3M
Edgars: Roberts, Phillies, 10M
and so on...
--In this scenario Dan and Max would each be getting a 10M player who I would be happy to have at that price - and would be willing to make a deal to that end:gt . Even delaying his first former doormat, Edgar would get a player worth his price tag - but only for 1 season. The 4M and 3M players are actually pretty good bargains (as will a number of later players). If I'd looked ahead a little more I probably would have pushed for a less generous slotting system.

Erik Bedard

10-18-2006, 10:22 AM

J W

10-18-2006, 05:03 PM

The way $$$ has flown around in FA these past couple offseasons, I agree there are a number of players I'd like to have at $10 mil (at least for one season).

The Skipjacks are announcing a trade: 2B Dick Green to the Knights for their 3rd round pick in 1965. Hand it to Mark for going after a good role player and getting him cheap (IMO)... please confirm.

leecemark

10-18-2006, 05:24 PM

--The Knights confirm the Green deal.

J W

10-18-2006, 05:27 PM

BTW the offer still stands for all our unprotected players. And of course, we're always open to any other negotiations. :atthepc

catcher24

10-18-2006, 05:35 PM

And just to get my ad in with Mark's and JW's ;) , the Legends remind all expansion and other owners that everyone on the roster except Santo, Freehan and McCovey are available. That includes Don Mincher, Al Downing, Vada Pinson, Floyd Robinson, Ron Hunt, Jim Ray Hart, Juan Marichal and several good relievers.

leecemark

10-18-2006, 05:35 PM

--I'm going to need to add somebody to my expansion list to make room for Dick Green. It will be either Junior Gilliam, Lee Thomas or Billy Stafford. If somebody wants to make that decision easier by offering a draft choice for one of them that would be great.

catcher24

10-18-2006, 05:57 PM

Dan - Here is another logo. I added some crossed bats to the logo. I intended to do that before but forgot :o . Let me know which one you like best, and I'll get it up on the site, replacing the Phils.

catcher24

10-18-2006, 06:03 PM

I'd take Thomas off your hands, Mark, but I don't have anyone else I want to take off my protected list now!:o And I bet he'll go, too.

Erik Bedard

10-18-2006, 06:07 PM

I actually like the first one better. Thanks a lot!

catcher24

10-19-2006, 02:19 PM

OK. I'll get it on the site later today or tomorrow.

leecemark

10-19-2006, 06:52 PM

--With 24 hours left for edits and trades the expansion pool looks like this;

By Position;
C: Johnny Orsino, Ken Retzer, Clay Dalrymple, Gus Triandos, Earl Battey, Cam Carreron, Merrit Ranew, Gary Kolb, Jimmy Schaffer, Doc Edwards

1B: Roy Seivers, Bob Johnson, Don Demeter, Joe Cunningham, Joe Adcock, Gordy Coleman, Deron Johnson, Norm Seibern

2B: Frank Bolling, Chuck Cottier, Tony Taylor, Curt Schilling, Don Blasingame, Jerry Lumpe, Chuck Hiller, Jim Gilliam, Nellie Fox

3B: Wayne Causey, Charlie Smith, Don Hoak, Hector Lopez, Don Zimmer, harvey Kuenn, Lou Klimchock, Dick Tracewski, Bubba Phillips

SS: Eddie Brinkman, Ruben Amaro, Dick Schofield, Dick Groat, Eddie Kasko, Dick Howser, Roy McMillan

LF: Wes Covington, Tommy Harper, Al Spangler, Al Ferrara, Lee Walls, Jerry Lynch, Cleon Jones, Manny Mota, Manny Jimenez, Frank Howard, Roman Mejas, Charlie Maxwell

CF: Tony Gonzalez, George Thomas, Willie Davis, Albie Pearson, Gary Geiger, Russ Synder, Bill Virdon, Ken Berry, Jim Landis

RF: Chuck Hinton, Jim King, Johnny Callison, Gino Cimilli, Marty Keough, Mike Shannon, Joe Gaines

SP: Tony Clonginger, Al Jackson, Bennie Daniels, Dick Donovan, John Buzhardt, Art Mahaffey, Robin Roberts, Chris Short, Roger Craig, Turk Farrell, Dennis Bennett, Jack Lamabe, Denny Lemaster, Warren Spahn, Dick Stigman, John Tsitsouris, Bob Buhl, Joe Nuxhall, Dave Wickersham, Claude Osteen

RP: Cal Koonce, Frank Lary, Jim Roland, Jack Stanford, Tom Cheney, Ryan Duren, Johnny Klippstein, Jack Baldshun, Dallas Green, Jim Owen, Jose Santiago, Barry Latman, Cal McLish, Billy Pierce, Bill Dailey, Don Elston, Jack Spring, Steve Ridzik, Julio Navarro, Don Schwall, Tommy Sisk, Bobby Teifenaur, Lew Burdette, Roy Face, Art Fowler, Bill Fischer, Lew Krausse, Ed Rakow, Bob Shaw, Jerry Walker, Ken McBride, Pedro Ramos, Frank Bauman, Bob Sadowski

By team, with salaries
Knights
2B: Junior Gilliam (3.75m, 61 draft)
OF: Mike Shannon (250K, FA63-65)
CL: Don Elston (1M, 61 draft)
Longman: Bill Dailey (1M, 61 draft/trade from Hard Cider)
LH Setup: Jack Spring (1M, 61 draft)
Mopup: Dennis Bennett (750k, 62 draft)
C: Cam Carreron (1.25M, 61 draft)
IF: Dick Schofield (750K, 61 draft)
C: Earl Battey (8.50, FA63-65)
Gamblers
1B Gordy Coleman (.75m, FA 63-65)
2B Nellie Fox (2M, 63-4)
OF Harvy Keunn (1.5m, 61 Draft)
OF Bill Virdon (1.25m, 61 Draft)
OF Russ Snyder (1m, 61 Draft)
OF Manny Mota (.25m, 62 Draft)
RHP Roy Face (2m, 61 Draft)
RHP Bob Buhl (1.5m, 61 Draft)
RHP Art Fowler (1.75m, 61 Draft)
RHP Lew Burdette (750K, 61 Draft)
Hard Cider
C: Yogi Berra (1.5M) '61
C: Jimmie Schaffer (750K) '61
SS: Dick Groat (3.5M) '61
IF: Johnny Goryl (500K) '61
CF: Willie Davis (10.5M) 62-64 3yr contract
OF: Gary Kolb (500K) '61
OF: Joe Gaines (500K)
SP: Warren Spahn (7.75M) '61
SP: Dick Stigman (750K) '61
SP: John Tsitouris (750K) '61
RP: Frank Funk (1.5M) '61
RP: Bobby Tiefenauer (500K) '61
RP: Dick Calmus (500K) '63
Redbirds
Chuck Hiller 750K, 61 draft
Ken McBride 1.75M, 61 draft
Ken Berry 250K, 62 draft
Cleon Jones 250K, 63 draft
Eddie Kasko 1.25M, 61 draft
Duke Snider 1.75M, 61 draft
Carl Warwick 750K, 61 draft
Cannons
C-John Orsino (.5, 61 draft)
1B-Roy Sievers (1.25, 51 draft)
2B-Frank Bollling (1.25, 61 draft)
CF-Albie Pearson (2.5, 61 draft)
RF-Al Ferrara (.25, 63 draft)
RF-Tommy Harper (.5, 63 draft)
SP-Jack Sanford (1.25, 61 draft)
SP-Tony Cloninger (.5, 61 draft)
SP-Cal Koonce (.5, 63 draft)
SP-Al Jackson (.75. 61 draft)
RP-Jim Roland (.5, 62 draft)
RP-Frank Lary (1.5, 61 draft)
Skipjacks
C Gus Triandos (1.0) - 61 draft
2B Don Blasingame (.75) - 61 draft
OF Gary Geiger (1.5) - 61 draft
OF Jerry Lynch (1.0) -FA thru 65
OF Al Spangler (.75) - 61 draft
OF George Thomas (.5) - 61 draft
LP Billy Pierce (1.0) - 61 draft
RP Turk Farrell (1.5) = 61 draft
RP Barry Latman (.75) - 61 draft
RP Cal McLish (.75) - 61 draft
RP Roger Craig (.25) - 61 draft
Legends
C, Merritt Ranew (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
1B, Joe Adcock (6M, FA contract 62-64)
P, John Boozer (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Denny Lemaster (750K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Jack Lamabe (750K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Tommie Sisk (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Julio Navarro (500K, 1962 rookie draft, FA 1968)
P, Steve Ridzik (250K, FA contract, 63-64)
P, Don Schwall (4M, FA contract, 63-65)
Shoeless Joes
OF Howard Frank 16.50 4-Yr Contract (1962-1965)
OF Landis Jim 1.00 1961 Draft
OF Mejias Roman 0.50 1961 Draft
OF Alusik George 0.25 1961 Draft
OF Maxwell Charlie 0.25 1961 Draft
3B Phillips Bubba 1.00 1961 Draft
P Ramos Pedro 1.75 1961 Draft
P Baumann Frank 0.75 1961 Draft
P Bridges Marshall 0.50 1961 Draft
P Sadowski Bob 0.50 1963 Draft
Diablos
Joe Cunningham (1.25, 61)
Don Hoak (1,0m 61)
Hector Lopez (.50, 61)
Jose Santiago (.25, 63)
Don Zimmer (1.25, 61)

The former doormats have no carry over salaries. The first one picked by each team will be assigned a salary of 10M, then 4M, 3M, 2M, 1M for the 2nd thru 5th player you choose. All players selected after that will be assigned a salary of 500K. Each of these players will have the same status as 61 draft players (i.e. yours as long as you want them and are willing to give them their annual 250K raise, with the exception of any who might be designated as a forced free agent)/

Phillies
--Contract--
S Name P Bats T Age %Act %Dis Salary Year
f Ruben Amaro ss Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Jack Baldschun cl Rsp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Ellis Burton cf Ssp R 27 100 0 0 0
f John Buzhardt sp Rsp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Johnny Callison rf Lsp R 25 100 0 0 0
f Wes Covington lf Lp R 32 100 0 0 0
f Clay Dalrymple c Lsp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Don Demeter lf Rp R 29 100 0 0 0
f Tony Gonzalez cf Lsp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Dallas Green mr Lsp R 29 100 0 0 0
f Art Mahaffey sp Rsp R 26 100 0 0 0
f Jim Owens mr Rsp R 30 100 0 0 0
f Robin Roberts sp Ssp R 37 100 0 0 0
f Chris Short sp Rsp L 26 100 0 0 0
f Charley Smith 3b Rp R 26 100 0 0 0
f Tony Taylor 2b Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Lee Walls rf Rsp R 31 100 0 0 0
Total 28.4 0

Senators --Contract--
S Name P Bats T Age %Act %Dis Salary Year
f Walt Bond 1b Lp R 26 100 0 0 0
f Harry Bright 1b Rsp R 34 100 0 0 0
f Eddie Brinkman ss Rsp R 22 100 0 0 0
f Tom Cheney mr Rsp R 29 100 0 0 0
f Gino Cimoli rf Rsp R 34 100 0 0 0
f Chuck Cottier 2b Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Bennie Daniels sp Lsp R 32 100 0 0 0
f Dick Donovan sp Lsp R 36 100 0 0 0
f Ryne Duren mr Rsp R 35 100 0 0 0
f Chuck Hinton lf Rsp R 30 100 0 0 0
f Bob Johnson 1b Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Marty Keough lf Lp L 29 100 0 0 0
f Jim King rf Lp R 31 100 0 0 0
f Johnny Klippstein mr Rsp R 36 100 0 0 0
f Claude Osteen sp Lsp L 24 100 0 0 0
f Ken Retzer c Lsp R 30 100 0 0 0
Total 30.3 0

Athletics --Contract--
S Name P Bats T Age %Act %Dis Salary Year
f Wayne Causey ss Lsp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Doc Edwards c Rsp R 27 100 0 0 0
f Bill Fischer mr Rsp R 33 100 0 0 0
f Dick Howser ss Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Manny Jimenez lf Lp R 25 100 0 0 0
f Deron Johnson 1b Rp R 25 100 0 0 0
f Lou Klimchock 2b Lp R 24 100 0 0 0
f Lew Krausse sp Rsp R 21 100 0 0 0
f Jerry Lumpe 2b Lsp R 31 100 0 0 0
f Joe Nuxhall sp Lsp L 35 100 0 0 0
f Ed Rakow mr Ssp R 28 100 0 0 0
f Bob Shaw mr Rsp R 31 100 0 0 0
f Norm Siebern 1b Lsp R 30 100 0 0 0
f Dick Tracewski 2b Rsp R 29 100 0 0 0
f Jerry Walker mr Rsp R 25 100 0 0 0
f Dave Wickersham sp Rsp R 28 100 0 0 0
f John Wyatt cl Rsp R 29 100 0 0 0

leecemark

10-20-2006, 03:38 PM

--If anyone has or plans to edit their protected list since the above summary was posted last night please post your changes in addition to (or instead of) editing the post. I won't be going back to check for edits before posting the final list and don't want to miss anything. 6 hours to the deadline for changes.

catcher24

10-20-2006, 05:05 PM

I have to agree that with those lists, it is completely plausible for someone to build a team that can at least compete for the wildcard slot this year, with some shrewd trades and a good rookie draft (just two really decent players could do it here). With each of the current teams standing to lose up to nine players, and with those left from the doormats, there should be sufficient talent to put three fairly competetive teams on the field. And that's before the rookie draft and/or any trades! This could be a tough year for the established teams - the punching bags are gone!!:eek:

Erik Bedard

10-20-2006, 05:07 PM

Well, tough for everyone except the Skipjacks. I'm actually looking for 1965 or 1966 to be my big year.

leecemark

10-20-2006, 05:10 PM

--I'd willing to bet that at least one expansion team finishes ahead of at least one established team and I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than one. They may all end up with better depth than the established teams, being at 30 players to our 25 when the draft is complete and drafting at the top of the rookie pool.
--That secondary free agent market is looking pretty lean. Nobody is likely to get 10 (or even 5) usefull players out of it. We'll probably all end up signing some guys who are no more than warm bodies to round out the rosters.

J W

10-20-2006, 06:57 PM

Finally, depth is called into play. :cool: This is why I tanked 1961--though even we can't get through without some depth issues, right about now our prospects are all hitting their stride.

For reference, here's the course of our planned ratio of DM/MLB teams as we both evolve through expansion:

1961: 9/15 (18)
1962: 9/17+ (20)
1964: 12/20
1969: 16/24
1977: ??/26

I like the idea of keeping our ratio between 60% and 75%... combined with our PT rules, it weeds out a lot of farm-system problems, but it still brings GMing into play.

catcher24

10-20-2006, 07:39 PM

Are we planning on adding three teams in 1967? I didn't know that. I thought we had talked about further expansion in 1969, when the majors actually expand again. Or am I reading your chart wrong?

leecemark

10-20-2006, 10:45 PM

--I didn't envision any more expansion until 1969 either. We haven't really discussed the details of further expansion, but I think it would be tough to support further expansion before MLB did. An odd number isn't going to work when we do it, so I'm thinking we will probably want to go to 16 teams at that point.

leecemark

10-21-2006, 08:00 AM

--Okay the protected roster and expansion pool are set now. I'll be putting up a separate thread to support the expansion process. This thread will continue to be the proper venue for trade talks or other offseason business. Talk about future expansion or other changes to league rules or policy should be directed to the discussion thread, where it won't be lost when this thread sinks to the bottom of the forum.

leecemark

10-21-2006, 09:20 AM

--Okay with the expansion pool set its time to start looking toward the other phases of player acquisition. The below attachments include all players who will be available in 1) the rookie draft, 2) the premium free agent auction and 3) the secondary free agent auction (although a few scrubs who don't get picked in expansion will be added to this pool). If a player debuted in 1964 he will be eligible for the rookie draft. Everyone has to check that eligibility for themselves. All others are free agents to be bid on when we get to that.

J W

10-21-2006, 11:41 AM

OK, my bad... I edited the post to reflect the difference.

leecemark

10-21-2006, 11:44 AM

--Maybe one more edit. MLB expanded to 26 teams in 77, not 75:) . I'm not really prepared to speculate on where our league will be that far down the road though.

catcher24

10-21-2006, 07:43 PM

It'll be the world reknowned Baseball Fever Classic Keeper League heading into it's 17th season of play!!:clapping

leecemark

10-24-2006, 06:10 AM

--Just a few days until the expansion draft. I hope all out new owners have a list together and have firm plans to be there and/or have provided that list to another owner to back them up. Any owner (or their proxy) not present and ready to make their first pick within 5 minutes of the start of the draft will have their first pick skipped over. To ensure that the team is reasonably competitive, I will step in with a make up pick and the subsequent picks of any owner not present in time for round two.

catcher24

10-24-2006, 05:09 PM

I expect to be online to see what happens, so if anyone needs a proxy, I'd be happy to oblige. I hope all three new owners will be present, though, because this will likely be their most important draft. You can build for the future via rookie drafts, but if you get two or three everyday players there each time, you've done well. In this draft, the best of everyone left on the doormats and not protected by current owners will be available, and the real basis for those teams for the next four or five years will be picked.

Erik Bedard

10-25-2006, 01:14 PM

I'm hoping I can be there, but I've got a list made just in case.

Erik Bedard

10-27-2006, 03:22 PM

Anyone know FOR SURE that they'll be there? I'm planning to, just might be a little late.

catcher24

10-27-2006, 03:49 PM

Yup, I'll be there, Dan. I want to see what happens!

leecemark

10-27-2006, 03:54 PM

--I'll be there too. If you think you may be late you should get get at least your first couples picks to Lew or I. Getting passed over means missing out on the few players worth the 10M.

Erik Bedard

10-27-2006, 03:55 PM

I've got a list to JW and Lew. We're only doing ten rounds tonight, right? If so, I've got plenty of people on my list. In fact, I've got a couple too many.

leecemark

10-27-2006, 03:58 PM

--10 rounds (or more if all three owners are present and want to keep going).

J W

10-27-2006, 04:56 PM

I'm here as proxy in case EB needs me.

catcher24

10-27-2006, 05:07 PM

OK, that's good, JW, because Edgar sent me a proxy list for him. So if need be, I'll do his and you can do EB's.

leecemark

10-27-2006, 05:11 PM

--Has Wasp/Max sent a list to anyone or been in contact with anyone in the past week?

Wasp

10-27-2006, 05:16 PM

Don't worry, I'm here. :)

leecemark

10-29-2006, 02:47 PM

--The Knights trade their 1st round pick (12th overall) to the Pirates for John Wyatt and the Pirates 2nd round pick. Edgar please confirm.

mac195

10-29-2006, 05:43 PM

There seems to be a market for catchers, so I'll make Johnny Romano availible.

OPS+

'64 - 124
'65 - 127
'66 - 122

He's a '61 draftee, not on contract. His 1964 salary is 6.5 M. I'm looking for a good draft pick and, if possible, a decent part time righty catcher in exchange for Romano. I could also use a good 2Bman for 1964. PM me with any trade ideas you might have.

Edgartohof

10-29-2006, 08:08 PM

--The Knights trade their 1st round pick (12th overall) to the Pirates for John Wyatt and the Pirates 2nd round pick. Edgar please confirm.

I am confirming this trade

mac195

10-29-2006, 09:22 PM

--The Knights trade their 1st round pick (12th overall) to the Pirates for John Wyatt and the Pirates 2nd round pick. Edgar please confirm.

Wyatt's a decent long relief man in '64-'65. You got him by moivng down, what, two places in the draft? Not bad.

catcher24

10-30-2006, 06:25 PM

Posted by Mac:
Wyatt's a decent long relief man in '64-'65. You got him by moivng down, what, two places in the draft? Not bad.

I was going to point that out, but didn't want to sound like I was experiencing sour grapes or anything!;) Yeah, I thought Mark made out rather well in that swap, especially looking at the talent available - not really much difference between drafting 12th or 14th this year, and Mark already has two picks before his own anyway:eek: . Mark will do well in this draft - and the dynasty continues!!:hp

mac195

10-30-2006, 07:43 PM

Johnny "Honey" Romano, folks. You know you want him.

leecemark

10-30-2006, 08:00 PM

I was going to point that out, but didn't want to sound like I was experiencing sour grapes or anything!;) Yeah, I thought Mark made out rather well in that swap, especially looking at the talent available - not really much difference between drafting 12th or 14th this year, and Mark already has two picks before his own anyway:eek: . Mark will do well in this draft - and the dynasty continues!!:hp

--You made a pretty nice deal with the Pirates yourself. Mincher didn't have a role with McCovey on your squad. Ditto (double ditto really:D ) for Charles with Santo on board. They will be usefull for Edgar, but not worth a high first rounder. Pinson is better than Gonzalez, but I'd rather have Tony at their respective price tags.
--OTOH, the Pirates look to be very competitive in their first season so maybe it won't be a high pick. Their rotation is as good as mine and that lineup has plenty of sock. If Robert can do something with the bullpen he could take the wildcard. I'll be surprised if he doesn't finish ahead of the Legends either way. The future sure isn't now with you is it Lew:D .

catcher24

10-31-2006, 06:39 AM

Posted by Mark:
They will be usefull for Edgar, but not worth a high first rounder.

I respectfully disagree. Mincher, starting in 1964, plays no fewer than 120 games and has no fewer than 405 PA after 1965 until his final season in 1972 (307). He has OPS+ of 129, 136, 155, 131 and 136 along the way, and never drops below 110. His salary is only 1M, and Robert can keep him for the 250K raise per year until he retires, if he chooses. Looking at this year's draft, Mincher would likely go top eight picks in 64 (and 65). In the next three rookie drafts, he would certainly be a first round pick (IMHO). And that isn't even taking into consideration Charles, who at 500K is a decent thirdbaseman the next three years (OPS+'s 92, 105, 126 and no fewer than 420 PA). I think that pair was worth a high first round pick. And Pinson was a salary dump. He lasts about six years longer than Gonzalez, and is still useful in 1972 (OPS+ of 113 in 527 PA).

Actually, I think I could have made a run at the WC this year (my pitching simply couldn't compete with JW's for the top spot). But I've got my target years, and still working towards them, so no, the future isn't now for sure!!:hp :laugh

leecemark

10-31-2006, 06:58 AM

--Mincher can hit, but he is always a platoon guy. I do like him (as you know since I've made several offers for him over the years;) ), but I can't see him as a first half of the first round type talent - or a first rounder at all in a good draft year. Of course, the Pirates look like they may not be in the first half of the 65 draft with the team Robert has built thru the draft and trade route.
--Charles is a decent player, but only has the one year where he is going to make much impact. If it were me I would have not taken on the Pinson salary and tried to sign Robinson or Mathews in the free agent auction. Or maybe I wouldn't, since I have opted to trade to replace my PFA every year, instead of hoping to land my guy on the market :D (Maris for Colavito in 62, Wagner for Maris in 63 and Boyer for Mathews this year).
--Pinson is a better player than Gonzalez but, as I said before, Gonzalez seems the much better value to me (I made Robert an offer on Gonzalez before your deal). Pinson does last longer and it is true he is usefull as late as 1972 - if you want to pay 11.75 million dollars for a corner outfielder with a 113 OPS+:eek: .
--All in all, the deal is a boon for the future for the Legends, but with a bigger payoff now for the Pirates. Not the direction you'd expect for an established team and an expansion one, but the Legends have always had a eye toward the long term. The Knights have always focussed on winning THIS year and apparently the Pirates will be following the same philosophy. Its worked for me so far:clapping . Hopefully we won't be eating too much Legends dust when all those draft choices start paying off in the late 60s.

catcher24

10-31-2006, 01:13 PM

Posted by Mark:
Mincher can hit, but he is always a platoon guy.

Once again, I must respectfully disagree. I consider someone with 350 or less PA a platoon player, figuring both halves of the platoon added together will provide around 600 to 700 PA. Mincher was definitely a platoon player the last two years, appearing in 86 and 82 games, with 157 and 262 PA, respectively. I suppose he could be considered a platoon player again in 1964. He does appear in 120 games (75%), but only has 320 PA (he must have pinch hit a LOT). However, beginning in 1965 he appears in 128, 139, 147, 120, 140, 140 and 128 games (at least 75% every year), with PA of 403, 497, 563, 458, 513, 533 and 497. Someone with that many PA is not a platoon player, by my definition. He actually has MORE PA than Gonzalez does in a couple of those years. And with the 25% leeway the league provides, you definitely have a full time player at least five of those years.

I also looked at this (and next) year's draft. Obviously we all have different criteria when evaluating talent. Each year, there were seven people I would likely take before someone with Mincher's productivity, and a couple of those would be iffy, depending on what position I really needed to fill. So to me, he would definitely be a first round pick both of those years. And after McCovey, he was my most productive player in 1963. I only wish he had 450 AB available last season!;)

As far as Pinson, I really hated to let him go, but you know it was a salary dump. Gonzalez provides his best season in 1967, which fits in much better with my timeline.

catcher24

10-31-2006, 01:15 PM

Posted by Mark:
Hopefully we won't be eating too much Legends dust when all those draft choices start paying off in the late 60s.

And hopefully the league will be alive and well, so I can cash in on the long wait!:laugh

J W

11-01-2006, 05:16 PM

Rough... but hey, time for the Hulbert to be the strongest division! You may end up with the best 4th place team, Lew.

Unfortunately it looks like my plans for the season wins record went south, but you never know :D . As long as we can hold on in the playoffs, I can make claim to best DM team and throw the "no doormats" argument out there.

But as we know, winning the regular season means squat in the playoffs. I think M&MITM stated something to the effect that only one World Series Champ had the best regular season record since the playoffs were expanded. And just this past DM season the #3 and 4 seeds went with the WC taking the DM Classic.

catcher24

11-02-2006, 06:37 AM

Posted by JW:
You may end up with the best 4th place team, Lew.

Thanks, Jason! I feel a LOT better now!!:rolleyes:

leecemark

11-04-2006, 05:24 PM

--The expansion draft has concluded. Great job by all our new owners. The expansion teams should be significantly more competitive than the doormats were the past 3 years.
--Teams have until midnight EST to non-tender (or buy out in the case of free agents under contract) players not selected in the expansion draft. Those players are shown as farmed (f) in the attachment.
--The trade market is, of course, still open. The rookie draft commences at 8PM EST next Friday.

mac195

11-04-2006, 05:51 PM

Hard Cider non-tender: Johnny Goryl, Gary Kolb, Jimmie Schaffer, Warren Spahn and Billy Moran.

catcher24

11-04-2006, 07:24 PM

The Legends will nontender Merritt Ranew and John Boozer.

baseballPAP

11-05-2006, 03:06 AM

Redbirds non tenders:
Chuck Hiller, Ken McBride, Carl Warwick and Duke Snider

The 40 man roster rule might want to be looked at. I can't see much of anyone who is going to be an assett to these teams, especially beyond the rookies, who at least have some future potential. I have 14 roster spots to fill, and I'll be surprised if more than 5 are used for a useful player.

Also, Mark, I didn't get Pascual and Held's contract info recorded...could you let me know on that please? I would like to see those recorded in the DMB database, but I know from experience it takes a while to do.

leecemark

11-05-2006, 07:09 AM

--Pascaul was a 61 draftee with a current salary of 8.75M. Held is on a free agent deal for 5.25M that runs thru 1965.
--You don't have to sign 40 players if you can't find that many who you think have any value to you. I agree we aren't all going to come up with 40 usefull players this season. The vacant slots will simply be charged against your cap at 250K apiece (i.e. if you decide 34 players are all you want then your cap would be 98.5M this year). This rule is in place largely to prevent an owner from running short to sign a player he couldn't otherwise afford.
-- For example, I have 26 players at 71M now. If I really wanted say Brooks Robinson I coud, without the 40 man requirement, say the heck with depth and player development and offer him a 29M deal. I wouldn't because; a) the contract would be a huge liability by 1965, b) I couldn't afford to sign my draft picks (well actually the draft goes first so that isn't much of an issue unless you were committed to spending everything now and passed on your picks) and, c) the rules won't allow me to do that and run with 27 men. The max I could actually offer would be 22.75M (still crazy:dance ) with 13 minimum wage spots set aside.

leecemark

11-05-2006, 09:30 AM

The 40 man roster rule might want to be looked at. I can't see much of anyone who is going to be an assett to these teams, especially beyond the rookies, who at least have some future potential. I have 14 roster spots to fill, and I'll be surprised if more than 5 are used for a useful player.

--Further on this. My idea of ideal 40 man roster management would be along the lines of 25 man active squad being the guys best suited to help your win this season, 5 guys available to fill in when injuries or playing time issues arise and 10 guys who are going to help you somewhere down the road. Your mix might be a little different, but you are highly unlikely to have (or need) 40 guys who are capable of contributing this season.
--I prepared for the depth drain this year by tradiing for some extra draft choices. I've got 26 players under contract and 7 picks in the first 3 rounds to get me to 33 usefull players. Even if you don't have extra picks the draft is probably going to be the best way to restock your 40 man.
--Indepth scouting will be more important this year than most. If you can land a future contributor in the 4th or 5th round you've given yourself a leg up in filling out your roster. Even if that player only contributes 1-2 seasons as backup having the guys who will be your 23-25 men in 1967 or 68 stashed away at minimum wage now will put you ahead of the owner who just signs a warm body (or leaves a vacant spot) to fill the end of his roster.

catcher24

11-05-2006, 10:18 AM

Posted by Mark:
Even if that player only contributes 1-2 seasons as backup having the guys who will be your 23-25 men in 1967 or 68 stashed away at minimum wage now will put you ahead of the owner who just signs a warm body (or leaves a vacant spot) to fill the end of his roster.

I think you just gave away my trade secret!!;) :lookitup

BTW, Mark, if you have a list of everyone's salary once the season begins, perhaps I could post it on the website. That would be a bit more advantageous than entering the salary into the player's info in DM, since so many of our owners don't have the game. Or I could do both!:eek:

leecemark

11-05-2006, 03:17 PM

--Editing players salaries into DM would be a very time consuming project. If a majority of our owner had the program I'd probably do it, but with only 1/3 of us having it I can't see spending the time on it. I have to admit I don't even have a master sheet of salaries anywhere. For the most part I depend on each owner to maintain their own salaries in the roster thread. If something doesn't seem right or a question arises then I have to refer back to the draft or free agent threads to double check.

J W

11-05-2006, 06:52 PM

The Skipjacks will non-tender SP Cal McLish and retain OF Gary Geiger, who we'll stash away for 1966.

mac195

11-05-2006, 07:23 PM

"The Monster" Dick Radatz is availible. He is among the best real life pitchers of 1964, racking up 11.9 WARP. Best offer so far is a 2nd round pick (probably towards the very end of the round) in 1966.

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2004/12/16/1103209183_8047.jpg

I want more than that, but not a whole lot more. Send me an offer by PM.

jkc32

11-06-2006, 11:41 AM

Shoeless will non-tender Jim Landis, Roman Mejias, Charlie Maxwell, Bubba Phillips, and Frank Baumann

The Dude

11-06-2006, 12:53 PM

The Gamblers non-tender Art Fowler and Roy McMillan, leaving us with 25 on our roster.

leecemark

11-06-2006, 07:14 PM

--One day left to post any non-tenders or buy outs. Still waiting to hear from the Diablos and Cannons.

538280

11-06-2006, 07:32 PM

The Cannons will non tender Roy Sievers and Frank Bolling.

leecemark

11-06-2006, 07:45 PM

--Bolling got picked up in the expansion draft, but I'll release Seivers. You caught a little bit of a break in keeping Ferrara.

baseballPAP

11-07-2006, 06:55 AM

leecemark

11-07-2006, 06:59 AM

-That isn't going to bring you much talent back. The trade market is going to be a better bet for you improving the 64 squad. I'll be scouring your roster to see where I can "help":laugh .

baseballPAP

11-07-2006, 07:36 AM

Seeing the mediocre performance coming....Billy Williams is to be added to the Redbirds' non tender list. The former "franchise" is looking for a new home.

leecemark

11-07-2006, 07:40 AM

--Whoa!!! We need to talk before the non-tender deadline. You definately don't need to walk away with nothing in return for Billy Williams.

leecemark

11-07-2006, 08:41 AM

--Acting quickly after young slugger Billy Williams was exposed to waivers the Knights have completed a deal with the Redbirds to acquire him. The Knights send a first round pick in the 1964 draft (9th overall) and outfielder Vic Davalillo to the Redbirds for Williams and the return of our 3rd round pick (previously sent to the Redbirds in the Pascaul/Boyer deal). Smokey Braithwaite had this to say of the deal; "we were looking at an offensive falloff in 1964, but Billy should boost us back to where we have been accustomed to finishing. We hated to part with another 1st rounder and this probably takes us out of the premium FA market, but you don't often get a chance to pick up a star like Williams just entering his prime. We couldn't pass up the opportunity."

catcher24

11-07-2006, 12:46 PM

Geez, PAP, wish you had talked with some other owners, too. I had some decent guys with small contracts (Jim Hart, Al Downing, Bill Freehan) I would've considered parting with for Williams! Not to mention five first round picks in the 1967 draft!

Nice pickup on that one, Mark. Davalillo and a first rounder is a cheap price to pay for Williams, an original draftee!:waving

J W

11-07-2006, 03:00 PM

Erik Bedard

11-07-2006, 03:03 PM

The Gold Sox are shopping Willie Davis.

leecemark

11-07-2006, 04:08 PM

The rich get richer. (banging head on table)

Well, at least Mark still has work to do... and has -12 mil to play with. But he's got a sure thing in Williams now, won't have to fight with anyone else.

PAP I would love to see you land Brooks after that deal... in which case you could trade Ken Boyer. Or trade Brooks back to us. :D

--The Knights got a little richer earlier and Boyer will be manning 3B for us this season. All that getting rich made us pretty poor though and we'll be shopping the bargin basement to fill our remaining needs.
--Having Williams suddenly available was a surprise opportunity that I couldn't pass up. If I can manage to avoid losing him to forced free agency the next 3 seasons this will be my best pickup since the original draft. Even with him I don't think there is much chance I win more than than the Skipjacks and 2 years of Williams would be enough to keep me from regretting the lost 1st rounder too much.

mac195

11-07-2006, 06:35 PM

Unbelievable. Williams has two of his best years coming up in '64 and '65. Mark is certainly dominating this offseason.

mac195

11-08-2006, 03:54 AM

Well, I was planning to rebuild this year, but the underwhelming response to Radatz has changed my mind. I probably won't be able to put together as good a team as JW and Mark, but I'll give it a shot. Who knows, I might get lucky in the playoffs.

If anyone is looking to rebuild this year, but has a decent hitting 2nd baseman for '64, I'm ready give up a draft pick.

baseballPAP

11-08-2006, 05:51 AM

Looks like Williams would have been a popular pick to offer up on league wide offers...but, with the chance of losing him while I try to get some salary space to play with, or getting a #1 out of him, I went the obvious route. This team isn't going to compete this year, or next due to some poor planning by my predecessor, who left me saddled with a win now team that wasn't good enough to win now. I could keep plugging away at 2nd place, or I can do something about it :) As the saying goes...you gotta break some eggs....

ElHalo

11-08-2006, 04:59 PM

Just wanted everybody to know I'm still here, though I've fallen into my now-annual post-Yankee collapse anti-baseball funk...

catcher24

11-08-2006, 05:09 PM

Yeah, real sorry about that Yankee collapse :p (trying to stifle laughter)!

You want real funkiness, you ought to try being an Indians fan! And I hate to even mention those long-suffering Cubs fans!

Anyway, good to hear from you Jim, and hope you're ready for that rookie draft Friday night.:clapping

Erik Bedard

11-08-2006, 05:15 PM

Oh, yeah, the rookie draft. I'd better make a list. Is there a file somewhere of the people available?

catcher24

11-08-2006, 05:24 PM

Check out bb-ref. Select seasons, then choose either league, then go to 1964 season, and click on New Debuts (a little below the standings). It'll bring up a list of every player who debuted in 1964. Clicking on a name will bring up that player's data page.

Erik Bedard

11-08-2006, 05:25 PM

Mark, was the Wagner deal for a 64 third-rounder or 65? Because in your list, I don't have a third-round pick.

leecemark

11-08-2006, 06:58 PM

--Our deal for for a 65 third rounder. It was just a typo leaving you out of this years 3rd round and I've fixed it.

The Dude

11-09-2006, 01:18 AM

Would someone be able to pick for me tomorrow night? I wont have acces to a computer

leecemark

11-09-2006, 06:17 AM

--Wil, if you get me a list I will be happy to pick for you. For anyone who is not absolutely sure they can be here for tomorrow's draft please get a list to me or someone else who will definately be there. If you or your proxy are not present when your turn comes up you get passed over and have to make it up when you show. For those with high picks that would be a serious hit to your team's future competitiveness.
--I am going to go ahead and post the draft thread today. If the Stingers want to pre-sign the top pick they can go at any time after the thread is up. That option would then, of course, be open to subsequent owners. The scheduled time is 8PM EST tomorrow (Friday, November 10). Nobody's clock starts until then.

catcher24

11-09-2006, 07:41 AM

I will definitely be here on Friday and will be happy to pick for anyone who cannot make it and provides me with a list. However, I would like to take this opportunity to STRONGLY encourage anyone who can make it to be here. The rookie draft is where you build your team's future, any way you look at it. You either keep them to build your team or trade them for other players to build your team, but without good picks here you're in trouble down the road.

mac195

11-09-2006, 06:04 PM

In anticipation of a deal soon to be announced by Lew, Hard Cider adds Billy Moran to the non-tender list.

catcher24

11-09-2006, 06:14 PM

Legends ownership announces another trade, as the team continues to implement changes and look to the future. The Legends will be sending second year player Ron Hunt, along with their third round draft pick in 1966, to the Hard Cider in exchange for the Hard Cider's first round draft pick in 1966.

Mac, please confirm, although the preceding post would perhaps suffice.

leecemark

11-09-2006, 06:27 PM

In anticipation of a deal soon to be announced by Lew, Hard Cider adds Billy Moran to the non-tender list.

--The non-tender deadline was 2 days ago. You can release Moran if you wish, but he will still count against your salary cap.

mac195

11-09-2006, 06:45 PM

Hard Cider confirm. The 1st round pick is a steep price, but HC was very thin at 2B, with young star Joe Morgan not quite ready to contribuite. Management anticipate a fine season from Hunt this year. With Ron setting the tables, HC is looking to score some runs in '64.

mac195

11-09-2006, 06:48 PM

On the schedule on page 1 it says the deadline for non-tenders in Thursday midnight EST. Maybe you meant to write Tuesday?

leecemark

11-09-2006, 06:58 PM

--I guess there is a conflict there. I said 72 hours in the offseason time postafter the end of the expansion draft, but also projected it to end Monday with Thursday being the 72 hour window. It actually ended Saturday, which made the 72 hours Tuesday. I did post that deadline when the expansion draft finished up, but due to the conflicting dates I'll allow Moran's non-tender.

ElHalo

11-09-2006, 08:54 PM

Ok, my team moves:

Zimmer and Santiago got drafted. Oh well.
Free agents Ernie Broglio, Hal Brown, Jackie Brandt, Dick Bertell, Don Leppert, Vic Power, Al Smith are no longer my property, on the open market.
Non-tenders include Don Hoak, Joe Cunningham, and Fred Norman.

That should leave me with 25 players under contract for 1964, for a total of $79.25 mill. Unlike last year, when I had gobs of money to throw around, the funds will be limited to fill the massive holes in my lineup. Looks like yet another ugly season upcoming for the Diablos (still holding out hope for the Wilbur Wood years).

ElHalo

11-09-2006, 08:55 PM

leecemark

11-09-2006, 09:02 PM

--Sure, no problem. Just glad to see your hiatus is ending in time for the draft and free agent auctions.

leecemark

11-09-2006, 09:06 PM

ElHalo

11-09-2006, 09:11 PM

--I show 26 players still on your roster. Chuck Schilling was not protected, but went undrafted. Not sure if he is the difference, but that is my guess. Do you want to keep him?

You're right; I was missing Schilling on my list. No, he gets added to the non-tender heap as well. Thanks.

Erik Bedard

11-10-2006, 06:36 AM

Due to my acquisition of Conigliaro, I now no longer need two of my OFs. I am now willing to deal Willie Davis for less than I normally would.

leecemark

11-14-2006, 09:15 AM

--With the rookie draft winding down, here is an update of who will be available in free agency. A few of these guys might still get drafted, but this will get your started on scouting the next round of player acquistion. Updated rosters are also attached. As a reminder the PFA is this Friday starting at 8PM EST. If you have any proxy bids please get them to me or somebody you know will be there ahead of time (if you are sending to me, then make it your opening bid and your ceiling). I don't expect to be very active in the PFA (only if there is an unexpected bargain on someone) so there shouldn't be much conflict of interest on the bids.

Erik Bedard

11-14-2006, 01:08 PM

Mark, does Callison, Wagner, or Conigliaro have CF eligibility?

catcher24

11-14-2006, 02:20 PM

Posted by Erik Bedard:
Mark, does Callison, Wagner, or Conigliaro have CF eligibility?

I can help. Mark, I apologize if this is stepping on your toes, and let me know if it is. Just trying to help out a bit, since I have the game and file.

Callison is rated very good (VG) in LF and CF; Excellent in RF.
Conigliaro is rated Average in LF, poor in CF, fair in RF.
Wagner is rated poor in LF and RF; not rated for CF (and with poor ratings at the corners, you wouldn't really want to use him in CF!:hp ;) )

Erik Bedard

11-14-2006, 02:35 PM

OK, so the most sensible alignment with the three is Wagner in LF, Callison in CF, and Conigliaro in RF? Or switch Wagner and Conigliaro?

catcher24

11-14-2006, 03:47 PM

Conigliaro is a better LF than he is RF; Wagner is poor at both positions. If it were me, I'd play Conigliaro LF, Callison CF, Wagner RF, but it's your call. And then find a cheap good defensive OF'er to replace Wagner late in games.

Erik Bedard

11-14-2006, 05:10 PM

Well, late in games, I was thinking put Willie Davis in in CF, and move Callison to RF.

mac195

11-14-2006, 06:00 PM

No way I'd start Wagner over Willie Davis. Despite Wagner 31 HRs, Davis is probably as good or better on offense in '64, and on defense it's no contest. I'd use Wagner to rest Conigliaro, and as pinch hitter.

Erik Bedard

11-14-2006, 06:42 PM

True... I'm still open to any (and I mean ANY) deals involving any of my OFs except Callison and Conigliaro. I'm looking for pitching first and foremost, and middle infielders second.

leecemark

11-14-2006, 10:48 PM

--I'm with Mac on this one. Davis is a much better overall player than Wagner this season. Daddy Wags will hit you some HR, but that about it (he does add about 35 points of OPS+ in 65 though, which makes his big contract and terrible defense easier to live with). I'd go with Coniglaro, Davis and Callison and use Wagner as a PH/back up. Conigliaro is going to have to be rested some anyway since he only got 400 odd AB in real life.

catcher24

11-15-2006, 02:10 PM

And I'm with both Mac and Mark. Sorry, I didn't realize you were the one with DAvis, too, or I would've suggested it myself. Davis actually has a better OPS+ (by two points) in 1964. By playing him, you upgrade your defense in both center and right, which I have to believe would be worth several runs over the course of a season - especially going from a poor to an excellent in right.. And since Davis is arguably the better offensive player in 64 anyway, there's no reason to give up that additional defense. Now in 65, as Mark indicated Wagner's OPS+ shoots up 35 points, while Davis's drops 34 points. That gives Wagner an OPS+ advantage of 69 points in 1965, and the added offense is probably worth losing the defense at that point.

leecemark

11-15-2006, 02:37 PM

--Davis is a free agent after 64, so Conigliaro or Callison (or a new acquistion) will be patrolling CF next season. Unless you can get something shiney for him though, Davis is a pretty good guy to have in CF this year.

mac195

11-15-2006, 07:45 PM

Mark, the file you posted for free agent pitchers has them only through the letter "P". Could you post the rest of them?

leecemark

11-15-2006, 07:51 PM

--Don't know how that happened. Try this

mac195

11-15-2006, 08:24 PM

Same problem.

leecemark

11-15-2006, 08:31 PM

--Hope the third time is the charm

mac195

11-15-2006, 09:29 PM

Looks good.

baseballPAP

11-22-2006, 12:39 AM

Mark or Lew...I missed the salary for Vic Davalillo....can either of you help there?

catcher24

11-22-2006, 07:29 AM

Scott - I don't have any salary records, and we don't list the salaries in the player info. If I have time this month and everyone has the correct info on the roster page, maybe I'll try and get it done.

That being said, Davalillo was a 1963 draft pick, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't one of the first 12 players picked (Mark drafted him, I think, so he would know for sure). So that would make his rookie salary 250K, and since he did play in 1963, he would get the 250K raise. So I'm pretty sure his salary is 500K, if you got him in a trade with Mark. But if you picked him up as a FA, it would be whatever your contract offer was.

Hope that helps.

baseballPAP

11-22-2006, 11:58 AM

That sounds right Lew....I also managed to miss Mike de la Hoz..... Am I that bad at keeping track? <SIGH>

leecemark

11-22-2006, 02:45 PM

Mark or Lew...I missed the salary for Vic Davalillo....can either of you help there?

Lew is correct. Davalillo was a third round pick in 63 and is due 500K for 1964.

leecemark

11-22-2006, 02:50 PM

That sounds right Lew....I also managed to miss Mike de la Hoz..... Am I that bad at keeping track? <SIGH>

de la Hoz you signed off the scrapheap last year for the minimum.

mac195

11-22-2006, 05:57 PM

Actually I traded de la Hoz to the Redbirds last year. He should be quite useful in '64.

538280

11-23-2006, 01:35 PM

Also, right before the season I would like to place both Stu Miller and Ron Perranoski on the trading block. They can both be ace relievers for the next few years, and can be an important part to your team if you need that. I will not trade both of them, but would like to get something in return for one of them. What I want most is starting pitching.

mac195

11-23-2006, 08:22 PM

HC annouce a Turkey Day deal. Jim Perry is heading to the division rival Cannons in exchange for closer Stu Miller and the Cannons' 1965 2nd round pick. Chris, if you would confirm.

538280

11-23-2006, 08:48 PM

HC annouce a Turkey Day deal. Jim Perry is heading to the division rival Cannons in exchange for closer Stu Miller and the Cannons' 1965 2nd round pick. Chris, if you would confirm.

Confirmed.

mac195

11-24-2006, 05:51 AM

The trading action continues for the Hard Cider as they send catcher Johnny Blanchard to the Gold Sox for OF Wes Covington.

Erik Bedard

11-24-2006, 06:53 AM

Gold Sox confirm. This should improve our catcher situation a lot this year.

leecemark

11-24-2006, 02:02 PM

--Everyone needs to get their managerial profiles in by next Wednesday. Games get underway next weekend. Please follow my example on your roster page and then copy it over to this thread so I know it is ready to be inserted into the program. Bolded portions are required for me to get your team set up for optimum performance. Those of your who have the DMB program please just export your profile once you get it set.

25 man active squad
Starting Lineup
C: Tim McCarver (1.25m, 61 draft)
1B: Jim Gentile (7.75m, 61 draft)
2B: Dick McAuliffe (3.75m, 61 draft)
3B: Ken Boyer (8.5M, 61 draft, trade with Redbirds)
SS: Leo Cardenas (2.75m, 61 draft)
LF: Lee Maye (750K, 61 draft) - Disabled list
CF: Willie Mays (12m, franchise player)
RF: Billy Williams (12M, 61 draft)

-bench
1B: Ernie Banks (3yr/1M, 62-64, trade with Redbirds
IF: Dick Green (250K, 63 draft, trade with Skipjacks)
IF: Junior Gilliam (3.75M, 61 draft)
OF: Lee Thomas (1.25M, 61 draft)
OF: Jimmie Piersall (4.75M, FA 64-1 year)
C: Del Crandell (4.75M, FA 64-1 year)

Rotation
SP1: Gary Peters (4.25m, 61 draft)
SP2: Bob Bruce (500K, 61 draft)
SP3: Curt Simmons (1.75m, 61 draft)
SP4: Bob Friend 6.75M, 1961 draft/trade with Diablos)
SP5: Vern Law (250K, 61 draft) - AAA

- Bullpen

CL: Barney Schultz (1.5m, 61 draft)
RH Setup: Don Larsen (750K, 61 draft)
LHSU: Bill Henry (1M, 61 draft/trade with Cannons)
LM: John Wyatt (500K, 61 draft)
RP: Arnie Early (250K, 61 draft)
SpotSP: Bobby Bolin (1.75M, 61 draft)

Farm hands
Kalamazoo Squires AAA, Hamtramack Dragons AA, Cheyboygan Wizards
SP: Sonny Seibert (750K, 64 draft) - AAA
C: Don Pavletich (250K, 61 draft/trade with Hard Cider)
RP: Don Nottebart (1M, 61 draft ) - AAA
RP: Ryne Duren (4.75M, 64 FA-1 year)
RP: John Purdin (250K, 64 draft)
1B: Wes Parker (250K, 64 draft)
3B: Don Wert (250K, 63 draft/trade with Shoeless Joes) -AAA
OF: Mack Jones (500K, 61 draft) - AA
RP: Jack Aker (250K, 64 draft) - AA
SP: Dave Boswell (250K, 64 draft) - AA
SP: Larry Dierker (250K, 64 draft) - AA
SP: Mike McCormick (250K, 64 FA-3 years)
SP: Mel Queen (250K, 674 draft) - A
OF: Adolpho Phillips (250K, 64 draft) - A
1B: Rich Reese (250K, 64 draft) - A

94.50M for 40 players

Draft picks traded
--1965 third round pick traded to Skipjacks
--1965 third round pick acquired from Gold Sox
--1968 second round pick traded to Shoeless Joes

Managerial Profile
Lineup vs RHP
LF Maye (Thomas)
RF Williams (Thomas)
CF Mays (Maye)
1B Gentile (Thomas, Banks DR)
3B Boyer (Gilliam)
C: McCarver (Paveltich)
2B McAuliffe (Green, Green DR)
PH vs RHP: Thomas, Gilliam
PH vs LHP: Banks, Green

Lineup vs LHP
LF Maye (Gilliam)
RF Williams (Thomas)
CF Mays (Maye)
3B Boyer (gilliam)
1B Banks (Gentile)
2B Green (Gilliam)
C Crandell (McCarver)
SS Cardenas (McAuliffe)
PH vs RHP: McAuliffe, Thomas
PH vs LHP: Thomas, Gilliam

Pitching
SP1 Peters
SP2 Bruce
SP3 Simmonsl
SP4 Friend
SP5 Law

Spot Starter: Bolin
Mop up: Wyatt, Bolin
Long man: Wyatt, Bolin
LH set up: Henry. Early
RH set up: Larsen, Schultz
RH Closer: Schultz, Bolinl
LH Closer: Henry, Schultz

Profile
Batting
Bunt for hit: least
Sac bunt: Least
Squeeze: Least
Steal: Least
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: Standard
Pinch hitting
for pitchers: Less
for non-pitchers: Less
for platoon partners: More
in blowouts: Standard
Pitching
pitch around - Standard
IBB - Standard
use relievers - Less
use closers - Less
Defense
hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

--The settings for various functions are; most, more, standard, less or least. If you have a few player who you want to do more or less of something than your team as a whole you can make that adjustment as well (for example; team stealing: less
Willie Mays: more)

Thanks and good luck

Erik Bedard

11-24-2006, 04:35 PM

Done. Rosters edited to reflect Covington-Blanchard deal as well.

leecemark

11-24-2006, 05:14 PM

Done. Rosters edited to reflect Covington-Blanchard deal as well.

--There is no lineup there. Also no backups assigned and 3 of your pitchers have no assigned roles. As is your starters will play every game unless injured and those pitchers will never pitch unless the assigned guys are exhausted.

Erik Bedard

11-24-2006, 05:31 PM

OK, now I'm done.

catcher24

11-24-2006, 07:17 PM

Mark, will you be sending those of us with the game the updated file with all of the rookie draft picks and the FA assigned to teams, or do you just want us to do it from our end and send you a MP?

leecemark

11-25-2006, 06:14 AM

--You should have a fairly current one, but I'll send a new file today.

catcher24

11-25-2006, 07:17 AM

OK, Mark, got it and thanks. My roster and rotation are up to date. All done except for lineups/pinch hitters.

mac195

11-25-2006, 08:56 PM

Mac's Hard Cider

Major League
C: Tom Haller (1.5M) '61
C: Johnny Romano (6.5M) '61
1B: Norm Cash (9.75M) '61
1B: Ron Fairly (1.75M) '61
2B: Ron Hunt (500K) '63
SS: Eddie Bressoud (750K) '61
SS: Larry Brown (250K) '63
3B: Rich Rollins (1.25M) '61
3B: Dick Allen (1M) '63
OF: Frank Robinson (12M) franchise
OF: Jimmie Hall (500K) '63
OF: Roger Maris (6.0M) '63-'64 2yr contract
OF: Gene Stephens (250K) '64 1yr contract
OF: Wes Covington (3M) '64 expansion draft
SP: Sandy Koufax (10.75M) '61
SP: Juan Pizarro (9.75M) '64-'66 3yr cintract
SP: Jim Bunning (8.5M) '61
SP: Hank Aguirre (1.75M) '61
SP: Wally Bunker (250K) '63
RP: Stu Miller (6.75M) '61
RP: Sammy Ellis (250K) '62
RP: Bobby Shantz (1.75M) '61
RP: Dick Radatz (1.25M) '62
RP: Bob Humphreys (250K) '62
RP: Tom Butters (4.75M) '64 1yr contract

Minors
C: Jack Hiatt (250K) '64
C: Jim Coker (250K) '64-'65 2yr contract
2B: Joe Morgan (250K) '63
IF: Jim Davenport (250K) '64 1yr contract
OF: Rick Reichardt (250K) '64
OF: Fred Valentine (250K) '64-'66 3yr contract
OF: Dave Nicholson (250K) '64-'66 3yr contract
OF: Lenny Green (250K) '64-'65 2yr contract
OF: Lou Clinton (250K) '64 1yr contract
SP: Lee Stange (1M) '61
SP: Pete Richert (250K) '62
SP: Bill Faul (250K) '64-'65 2yr contract
RP: Ron Taylor (500K) '62
RP: Masanori Murakami (250K) '64
RP: Chi Chi Olivo .25 '64 1yr contract
40 players / 95.75M

Additional picks:
2nd- '65 (Legends)
2nd- '65 (Cannons)
3rd- '66 (Legends)
Picks traded away:
1st-'66 (Legends)
1st-'67 (Legends)
3rd-'67 (Legends)
3rd-'69 (Skipjacks)

Lineup vs. RHP
1 Fairly 1B (Cash DR)
2 Robinson RF (Covington)
3 Maris LF (Covington)
4 Allen 3B (Rollins)
5 Haller C (Romano)
6 Bressoud SS (Brown)
7 Hall CF (Stephens)
8 Hunt 2B (Brown)
PH vs RHP: Covington, Cash
PH vs LHP: Romano, Rollins
Lineup vs. LHP
1 Hunt 2B (Brown)
2 Bressoud SS (Brown)
3 Robinson RF (Covington)
4 Allen 3B (Rollins)
5 Maris LF (Covington)
6 Romano C (Haller DR)
7 Cash 1B (Fairly)
8 Hall CF (Stephens)
PH vs RHP: Covington, Fairly, Haller
PH vs LHP: Rollins

Pitching
SP1: Koufax
SP2: Bunning
SP3: Pizarro
SP4: Bunker
SP5: Ellis (skip)
Spot: Aguirre
Mop up: Butters, Aguirre
Long man: Miller, Butters, Aguirre
LH set up: Shantz, Radatz, Butters
RH set up: Radatz, Miller, Butters
LH closer: Radatz, Shantz, Humphreys
RH closer: Radatz, Humphreys, Miller

Profile
Batting
bunt for hit: less
sac bunt: less (Robinson, Allen - never)
squeeze: less
steal: less (Fairly, Hall, Hunt, Maris, Robinson - more)
take extra bases: standard
take pitches: standard
pinch hitting
for pitchers: more
for non-pitchers: standard
for platoon partners: more
in blowouts: more

Pitching
pitch around: standard
IBB: standard
use relievers: standard
use closers: standard

Defense
hold runners: standard
IF in: standard
guard lines: standard

The Dude

11-26-2006, 12:12 AM

Gamblers 25 Man Roster
RF Rocky Colavito (13.25m, 62-66)
LF/3B/1B Harmon Killebrew (12m, Franchise Player)
C Elston Howard (10.50m, 61 Draft)
LHP Jim Kaat (7.50m, 61 Draft/Trade w/Nails)
CF Curt Flood (6.50m, 61 Draft)
LHP Jim O'Toole (6.25m, 62-64)
RHP Larry Jackson (5.50m, 61 Draft/Trade w/Mark)
2B Jerry Adair (1.50m, 61 Draft/Trade w/Lew)
LHP Don Mossi (1.50m, 61 Draft Trade w/Mac)
1B Moose Skowron (1.25m, 61 Draft)
RHP Al Worthington (1m, 61 Draft)
RHP Gaylord Perry (1m, 62 Draft)
RHP Mel Stottlemyre (1m, 64 Draft)
RHP Don Lee (1m, 61 Draft Trade W/Mac)
3B Frank Malzone (.75m, 61 Draft)
C Buck Rodgers (.75m, 61 Draft)
RHP Moe Drabowsky (.75m, 61 Draft)
OF Rico Carty (.75m, 63 Draft)
RHP Bob Lee (.50m, 64 Draft)
LHP Gordie Richardson (.25m, 64 Draft)
RHP Ron Herbel (.25m, 63 Draft)
2B Cookie Rojas (.25m, 62 Draft)
SS Bob Lillis (.25m 64-65)
CF Bill Cowan (.25m 64)
OF Gates Brown (.25m, 63 Draft)

Farm hands
RHP Mike Cuellar (4m, 61 Draft)
OF Matty Alou (2.50m, 61 Draft)
SS Rico Petrocelli (.50m, 63 Draft)
OF Jose Cardenal (.25m, 63 Draft)
SS Roy McMillan (.25m, 64-66)
1B Ed Kranepool (.25m 64-66)
C Dick Brown (.25m, 62-64)
CF Nelson Mathews (.25M 64)
OF Duke Snider (.25m, 64)
3B John Kennedy (.25m, 64-66)
2B Nate Oliver (.25m, 64)
LHP Wade Blasingame (.25m, 64-65)
LHP Warren Spahn (.25m, 64-65)
LHP Frank Kreutzer (.25m, 64)
C Doug Camilli (.25m, 64-65)
Total Salary = 84.75 milliion
40 Players

Lineup Vs RHP:
1.CF-Curt Flood (Cowan)
2.LF-Rico Carty (Brown-45%)
3.3B-Harmon Killebrew (Malzone)
4.RF-Rocky Colavito (Brown)
5.C-Elston Howard (Rodgers-10%)
6.1B-Moose Skowron (Malzone-5%)
7.SS-Cookie Rojas (Lillis-40%)
8.2B-Jerry Adair (Lillis-10%)
9.Pitcher
Pinch Hitter: Default

Lineup VS LHP:
1.CF-Curt Flood (Cowan)
2.LF-Rico Carty (Brown)
3.3B-Harmon Killebrew (Malzone)
4.RF-Rocky Colavito (Brown)
5.C-Elston Howard (Rodgers-10%)
6.1B-Moose Skowron (Malzone-5%)
7.SS-Cookie Rojas (Lillis-5%)
8.2B-Jerry Adair (Lillis-10%)
9.Pitcher
Pinch Hitter: Default

Pitching Rotation:
SP1: Jim O'Toole
SP2: Gaylord Perry
SP3: Larry Jackson
SP4: Jim Kaat
SP5: Mel Stottlemyre (SKIP when Possible)
Spot: Ron Herbel
Mop: Moe Drabowsky
Long: Bob Lee, Moe Drabowsky
RH-Setup: Bob Lee, Don Lee
LH-Setup: Don Mossi, Gordie Richardson
Closer: Al Worthington

15 Day DL

Profile
Batting
Bunt for hit: Least
Sac bunt: More
Squeeze: Less
Steal: Standard (most for Gates Brown)
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: Standard

Pinch hitting
for pitchers: Standard
for non-pitchers: Less
for platoon partners: Standard
in blowouts: Standard

Pitching
pitch around - More
IBB - Standard
use relievers - more
use closers - More

Defense
hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

Missing Picks:
-1965 First Round Pick Traded to Quakers.
-1967 First Round Pick Traded to Legends.

Acquired Picks:

Erik Bedard

11-26-2006, 12:41 PM

Lineup:

CF Willie Davis (Callison 5%, Conigliaro 5%)
SS Dick Groat (Blasingame 20%)
RF Johnny Callison (Wagner 15%)
3B Brooks Robinson (Blasingame 5%)
LF Tony Conigliaro (Wagner 40%)
1B Deron Johnson (Bond 25%)
2B Nellie Fox (Blasingame 25%)
C Clay Dalrymple (Orsino 25%, Blanchard 15%)
Pitcher

Rotation:

SP1: Tony Cloninger (500K, 61 draft)
SP2: John Buzhardt (2M, 61 draft)
SP3: Dennis Bennett (750K, 62 draft)
SP4: Ernie Broglio (1.25M thru 64)
SP5: Bennie Daniels (500K, 61 draft)

CL: Steve Ridzik (250K thru 64)
RHSU: Jack Bauldshun (500K, 61 draft)
Spot Starter: Jim Owen (500K, 61 draft)
Middle relief: Lew Burdette (750K, 61 draft)
Mopup 2: Dick Stigman (750K, 61 draft)
Mopup 1: Barry Latman (750K, 61 draft)
Longman: Art mahaffey (500K, 61 draft)

Farm Hands:

Ken Berry (250K, 62 draft)
Steve Blass (250K, 64 draft)
Ken Sanders (250K, 64 draft)
Lou Piniella (250K, 64 draft)
Randy Hundley (250K, 64 draft)
Tom Kelley (250K, 64 draft)
Lew Krausse (500K, 61 draft)
Tommie Sisk (500K, 62 draft)
Jose Santiago *250K, 63 draft)
Jim Roland (500K, 62 draft)
Tommy Harper (500K, 63 draft)
Bob Johnson (500K, 61 draft)
Roy Face (2M, 61 draft)
Harvey Kuenn (1.5M, 61 draft)

Profile:

Batting

Bunt for hit: Least
Sac bunt: Standard
Squeeze: Less
Steal: Less (Johnny Callison: Standard)
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: More

Pinch hitting

for pitchers: More
for non-pitchers: Least
for platoon partners: Standard
in blowouts: Most

Pitching

pitch around - More
IBB - Standard
use relievers - Standard
use closers - Standard

Defense

hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

MISSING PICKS:

1965 third round pick to Knights

J W

11-26-2006, 06:38 PM

Skipjacks:

Team salary: $85.75 mil, 29 players

FARM - Geiger, Horton, Linzy, Schaal

ROTATION - skip
1) Chance
2) Bouton
3) Ford*
4) Horlen
5) McDowell*

RHC - McMahon
LHC - McMahon
RHS - Roebuck, Raymond
LHS - Woodeshick*, Sparma*
LR - Miller, McDaniel
MP - McDaniel, Miller
SS - Miller, Sparma*

VS RHP
1) LF - Yastrzemski* (Lock)
2) RF - Oliva* (Allison)
3) CF - Allison (Lock 5%, DR)
4) 1B - Powell* (Allison)
5) C - Torre (Edwards* DR)
6) 3B - Ward* (Mantilla)
7) 2B - Mantilla (Mazeroski 10%, DR)
8) SS - Fregosi (Mantilla)

PH - comp control for now

VS LHP
1) SS - Fregosi (Mantilla)
2) CF - Lock (Yastrzemski*)
3) RF - Allison (Oliva*)
4) 3B - Mantilla (Ward* 50%)
5) C - Torre (Edwards* 50%, DR)
6) 1B - Powell* (Salmon 25%)
7) 2B - Mazeroski (Mantilla 20%)
8) LF - Yastrzemski* (Oliva* 30%)

PH - comp control for now

SETTINGS

I don't have time yet for specifics, so here's the jist:

Stealing Bases (SB% rating) - EX=more, VG=average, AV-PR=less
Extra Base (run rating) - EX-VG=more, AV-FR=average, PR=less
*Sac Bunt (w/rating) - EX-AV=average, FR-PR=less
Bunt FH (w/rating) - EX-AV=average, FR-PR=less
Use Relievers (SP rating) - PR-FR=more, AV-VG=average, EX=less

(* excludes pitchers, set those at average)

I'll leave the other ratings alone for now. Thanx

mac195

11-26-2006, 07:37 PM

ROTATION - no skip!
1) Chance
2) Bouton
3) Ford
4) Horlen
5) McDowell

I'd think you would want to get Chance, Ford and Horlen as many starts as possible. Are you taking some pity on the rest of the league?

leecemark

11-26-2006, 10:15 PM

--JW, I know you have busy and had limited internet availabliity. You can sign some additional warm bodies up until Opening Day with no cap penalty. Also, you provided your starting players, but no lineup.

catcher24

11-27-2006, 07:39 AM

Have to agree with Mac - I'd be using McDowell only as my fifth starter and using the skip option.

LF - Yazstremski (Oliva 50% vs LHP)

I say if you can't spell Yastrzemski, you can't keep him!:laugh

Erik Bedard

11-27-2006, 08:04 AM

Roster edited, due to me having 27 guys on my active roster.

Edgartohof

11-27-2006, 02:15 PM

Okay, this is what I have so far. I may make some adjustments later, but this is pretty much what I am going to stick with.

leecemark

11-27-2006, 06:33 PM

Okay, this is what I have so far. I may make some adjustments later, but this is pretty much what I am going to stick with.

--Was there supposed to be more here?

leecemark

11-28-2006, 07:13 AM

--Profiles are due by tomorrow. I'm still waiting for input from the Diablos, Pirates, Shoeless Joes and Stingers.

J W

11-28-2006, 04:19 PM

I'm on! I fleshed out my profile some.

Mac: I didn't want to get in trouble with both Horlen and McDowell's BFA down a bit... but you're right. I'll take care of sudden Sam by putting him on skip, and dole out some of Horlen's starts late

Lew: hey, I think I've done pretty well with Mr. Yzathdrvemzcki so far. :D

catcher24

11-28-2006, 06:29 PM

Jason - Figuring our 25% leeway, Horlen can face 1018 batters during the season. In real life, he faced 3.86 batters per IP. Using a figure of 4 batters/IP to compensate a bit for the better overall level of hitting in CKL, that still allows him to pitch 254 innings in the league. That's a pretty fair amount and will probably be enough, depending on how deep into games he goes.

mac195

11-28-2006, 06:37 PM

Mac: I didn't want to get in trouble with both Horlen and McDowell's BFA down a bit... but you're right. I'll take care of sudden Sam by putting him on skip, and dole out some of Horlen's starts late
Me and my big mouth...

Wasp

11-28-2006, 06:45 PM

How do you know how much a player's contract is if they've been traded to you?

mac195

11-28-2006, 07:10 PM

You need to find out when you make the trade. I'm sure you can still find out though. What player do you have in mind?

Wasp

11-28-2006, 07:17 PM

I need to know what Bill Stafford and Bill Virdon's contracts are.

Wasp

11-28-2006, 08:46 PM

Wasp's Stingers

Team Salary: 61.5 million

Roster:
Ruben Amaro (500k, 61' draft)
Johnny Briggs (500k, 64' draft)
Lou Brock (7M, 61' draft)
Camilo Carreon (1.25M, 61' draft)
Gordy Coleman (750k, 61' draft)
Doc Edwards (500k, 61' draft)
Joe Gaines (500k, 61' draft)
Mike Hershberger (500k/3 years)
Chuck Hinton (4M, 61' draft)
Dick Howser (500k, 61' draft)
Marty Keough (500k, 61' draft)
Don Kessinger (250k, 64' draft)
Jerry Lumpe (500k, 61' draft)
Eddie Mathews (8.5M/4 years)
Jerry May (250k, 64' draft)
Manny Mota (250k, 62' draft)
Albie Pearson (2.5M, 61' draft)
Norm Siebern (3M, 61' draft)
Charley Smith (500k, 61' draft)
Al Spangler (750k, 61' draft)
Bob Tillman (750k, 62' draft)
Dick Tracewski (500k, 61' draft)
Bill Virdon (1.25M, 61' draft)
Walt Williams (250k, 64' draft)

Pitchers:
Tom Cheney (500k, 61' draft)
Turk Farrell (1.5M, 61' draft)
Joe Gibbon (2.75M/3 years)
Johnny Klippstein (500k, 61' draft)
Cal Koonce (500k, 63' draft)
Jack Lamabe (500k, 62' draft)
Denny Lemaster (750k, 62' draft)
Phil Niekro (1M, 64' draft)
Joe Nuxhall (1M, 61' draft)
Claude Osteen (10M, 61' draft)
Pedro Ramos (1.75M, 61' draft)
Bob Sadowski (500k, 63' draft)
Bob Shaw (2M, 61' draft)
Bill Stafford (1.5M, 61' draft)
John Tsitouris (750k, 61' draft)
Rick Wise (250k, 64' draft)

Lineup:

RF Lou Brock
1B Norm Siebern (Coleman 10%)
3B Eddie Matthews (Smith 5%)
C Bob Tillman (Carreon 10%)
LF Chuck Hinton
SS Dick Howser (Amaro 10%)
2B Jerry Lumpe (Tracewski 40%)
CF Bill Virdon (Pearson 45%)
Pitcher

Pitching:

SP 1: Turk Farrell
SP 2: Claude Osteen
SP 3: John Tsitouris
SP 4: Joe Nuxhall
SP 5: Denny Lemaster (skip)

Spot Starter: Bob Shaw, Sadowski (30%)
Mop-up: Rick Wise, Shaw
Long-man: Bob Sadowski
Middle Relief: Joe Gibbon, Shaw, Stafford
Set-up: Bill Stafford
Closer: Johnny Klippstein

Farmed-out:
C Jerry May
C Doc Edwards
SS Don Kessinger
LF Johnny Briggs
LF Marty Keough
LF Manny Mota
LF Al Spangler
CF Walt Williams
RF Joe Gaines
RF Mike Hershberger
P Tom Cheney
P Cal Koonce
P Jack Lamabe
P Phil Niekro
P Pedro Ramos

Profile:

Batting

Bunt for hit: Least
Sac bunt: Standard
Squeeze: Less
Steal: Less (Brock: More)
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: More

Pinch hitting

for pitchers: More
for non-pitchers: Least
for platoon partners: Standard
in blowouts: Most

Pitching

pitch around - Standard
IBB - Standard
use relievers - Standard
use closers - Standard

Defense

hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

ElHalo

11-28-2006, 10:05 PM

Ok; I updated my team settings in the roster thread. Let me know if things get confusing (I have three guys named "Fisher" currently active on my pitching staff, although one of them spells it differently).

Actually, from the look of things, I've got a surprisingly strong roster. My rotation falls out after Pappas and Drysdale, and my bench is a crime against nature, but my late inning relief is solid, and Hart, White, Roseboro, Kaline, Clemente, and Stargell all have excellent years. It's possible I might even crack .500.

Edgartohof

11-29-2006, 12:17 AM

--Was there supposed to be more here?

There certainly was supposed to be.

Here it is:

C: Earl Battey (RH) - 8.5M thru 1965
1B: Joe Adcock (RH) - 6M thru 64
2B: Tony Taylor (RH) - 500K, 61 draft
3B: Ed Charles (RH) - 750k, 62 draft
SS: Wayne Causey (LH) - 1M, 61 draft
LF: Don Demeter (RH) - 500K, 61 draft
CF: Vada Pinson (LH) - 9.75M, 61 draft
RF: Jim King (LH) - 2M, 61 draft

Bench:
C: Gus Triandos (RH) - 1M, 61 draft
1B: Don Mincher (LH) - 1.5M, 61 draft
2B: Frank Bolling (RH) - 1.25M, 61 draft
3B: Don Zimmer (RH) - 1.25M, 61 draft
SS: Dick Schofield (SH) - 750K, 61 draft
CF: George Thomas (RH) - 500K, 61 draft
LF: Jerry Lynch (LH) - 2M thru 65

SP1: Chris Short (LH) - 10M, 61 draft
SP2: Robin Roberts (RH) - 3M, 61 draft
SP3: Dave Wickersham (RH) - 500K, 61 draft
SP4: Bob Buhl (RH) - 1.5M, 1961 draft
SP5: Luis Tiant (RH) - 1M, 64 draft *Skip*

CL: Jay Ritchie (RH) - 250K, 64 draft
RHSU: Bobby Tiefenauer (RH) - 500K, 61 draft
LHSU: Billy Pierce (LH) - 1M, 61 draft
Longman: Pete Mikkelson (RH) - 250K, 64 draft
Mopup: Roger Craig (RH) - 250K, 61 draft
Spot Starter: Jack Sanford (RH) - 1.25M, 61 draft

Minors:
1B (OF/3B): Danny Cater (RH) - 250K, 1964 draft
LF: Cleon Jones (RH) - 250K, 63 draft
CF: Russ Synder (LH) - 1M, 61 draft
CF: Roger Repoz (LH) - 250K, 1964 draft
RF: Mike Shannon (RH) - 250K thru 65
P: Frank Lary (RH) - 1.5M, 61 draft
RP: Don Schwall (RH) - 4M thru 65
P: Dick Donovan (RH) - 500K, 61 draft
Mopup: Al Jackson (LH) - 750K, 61 draft
Mopup: Ed Rakow (RH) - 500K, 61 draft

Total Players - 36
Total Salary - 66.5 Million
Picks Traded Away - 1st round 65 draft - Legends

Lineup Vs. RHP
1. Vada Pinson - CF (LH)
2. Tony Taylor - 2B (RH)
3. Jerry Lynch - LF (LH) - [Don Demeter (RH) - 20%]
4. Don Mincher - 1B (LH) - [Joe Adcock (RH) - 20%]
5. Earl Battey - C (RH) - [Gus Triandos (RH) - 30%]
6. Don Zimmer 3B - (RH)
7. Jim King - RF (LH) - [George Thomas (RH) - 10%]
8. Wayne Causey - SS (LH) - [Dick Schofield (LH) - 10%]

Lineup Vs. LHP
1. George Thomas - CF (RH) - [Vada Pinson {LH) - 40%]
2.Tony Taylor - 2B (RH)
3. Don Demeter - LF - (RH)
4. Joe Adcock - 1B (RH)
5.Jim King - RF (LH) - [George Thomas (RH) - 30%]
6. Earl Battey (RH)
7. Ed Charles - 3B (RH)
8. Wayne Causey - SS (LH) - [Dick Schofield (RH) - 10%]

Profile
Batting
Bunt for hit: least
Sac bunt: Least
Squeeze: Least
Steal: Least
Take extra bases: More
Take pitches: More
Pinch hitting
for pitchers: Less
for non-pitchers: Less
for platoon partners: More
in blowouts: Standard
Pitching
pitch around - Standard
IBB - Standard
use relievers - Less
use closers - Less
Defense
hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

538280

11-29-2006, 04:31 AM

25-man major league roster

Starting Lineup
C-Jim Pagliaroni (4.75)
1B-Fred Whitfield (.75)
2B-Don Buford (.25)
3B-Denis Menke (.5)
SS-Ron Hansen (3.25)
LF-Joe Christopher (.25)
CF-Mickey Mantle (18.25)
RF-Hank Aaron (12)

Bench
C-John Bateman (.25)
1B/OF-Ty Cline (5)
3B-Felix Torres (.25)
IF-Al Weis (2.5)
OF-Tom Tresh (1.5)
OF-Jimmy Wynn (.75)

Rotation
SP1-Ray Sadecki (9)
SP2-Dick Ellsworth (3.5)
SP3-Mudcat Grant (1.5)
SP4-Joey Jay (.75)
SP5-Rollie Sheldon (4)

Bullpen
CL-Wes Stock (.75)
RH Setup-Dick Estelle (.25)
LH Setup-Ron Perranoski (6.75)
Longman-Hal Reniff (1)
Mopup-Aubrey Gatewood (.25)
SpotSP-Ray Washburn (1)

Minor League Roster
C-Duke Sims (.25)
C-Hawk Taylor (.25)
1B-Ken Harrelson (.25)
2B-Julian Javier (1.5)
3B-Dalton Jones (.25)
SS-Bert Campaneris (.75)
SS-Sonny Jackson (1.75)
OF-Al Ferrara (.25)
OF-Willie Crawford (.25)
OF-Jose Tartabull (2.25)

SP-Steve Barber (1.75)
SP-Orlando Pena (.75)
SP-Dave Morehead (.25)
SP-Jim Perry (5.25)
RP-Jim Roland (.5)
RP-Bill Kelso (.25)

Total Salary = 95.5M for 40 players

Managerial Profile

Lineup vs. RHP
1. Buford, 2B (Weis 15%)
2. Christopher, LF (Tresh 15%)
3. Mantle, CF (Wynn)
4. Aaron, RF (Tresh)
5. Menke, 3B (Torres 10%)
6. Ron Hansen, SS (Weis)
7. Pagliaroni, C (Bateman 30%)
8. Whitfield, 1B (Cline 40%)
PH: Mantle, Sievers, Harper

Lineup vs. LHP
1. Buford, 2B (Weis 15%)
2. Christopher, LF (Tresh 15%)
3. Mantle, CF (Wynn)
4. Aaron, RF (Tresh)
5. Menke, 3B (Torres 10%)
6. Ron Hansen, SS (Weis)
7. Pagliaroni, C (Bateman 30%)
8. Whitfield, 1B (Cline 10%)
PH: Mantle, Sievers, Harper

Pitching
SP1 Sadecki
SP2 Ellsworth
SP3 Grant
SP4 Jay
SP5 Sheldon
Spot starter: Washburn, Reniff
Mop up: Reniff, Estelle
Long man: Gatewood, Reniff
LH set up: Perranoski, Gatewood
RH set up: Stock, Perranoski
LH closer: Stock, Perranoski
RH closer: Stock, Perranoski

Profile
Batting
Bunt for hit: Least
Sac bunt: Less (Aaron, Mantle-never)
Squeeze: Less
Steal: Less (Aaron-more)
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: Standard
Pinch hitting
for pitchers: Standard
for non-pitchers: Standard
for platoon partners: More
in blowouts: More
Pitching
pitch around - Standard
IBB - Less
use relievers - More
use closers - Standard

Defense
hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

leecemark

11-29-2006, 06:25 AM

--Robert, I have 36 not 33 players on your roster. Bob Buhl, Danny Cater and Roger Repoz are the missing players.
--Chris, you have Estelle listed in both your bullpen and the minors. He fits in your 25, so that is where I have him. You also have Jim Roland in the minors, but you lost him in the expansion draft. Your pitching assignments are a little confusing too. You have the bullpen roles listed twice, one including the traded away Stu Miller and not Ron Perranoski. You have Harrelson listed as backup 1B, but he is in the minors (Whitfield can even handle a steady platoon job, so something will need to be done with firstbase). You don't have any scheduled playing time for your backup catcher, which will be a problem.

ElHalo

11-29-2006, 06:30 AM

Starting Lineup
C- Johnny Roseboro ($8.75)
1B- Bill White ($6.5)
2B- Pete Rose ($1.25)
3B- Jim Ray Hart ($1)
SS- Luis Aparicio ($2)
LF- Willie Stargell ($1)
CF- Al Kaline ($9.75)
RF-Roberto Clemente ($12)
Bench
C- Jesse Gonder ($0.75)
IF- Joe Cunningham ($0.25)
IF- Bob Klaus ($0.25)
OF- George Altman ($0.5)
OF- Bill Bruton ($0.5)
Utl/PH- Chico Ruiz ($0.25)
Utl/PH- Jose Pagan ($0.75)
Rotation
SP1- Don Drysdale ($8.75)
SP2- Milt Pappas ($13) (three year deal through 1965)
SP3- Tracy Stallard ($4.75)
SP4- Jack Fisher ($1.5)
SP5- Earl Wilson ($1.5)
Bullpen
CL- Eddie Fisher ($1.25)
RH Setup- Fred Gladding ($0.75)
LH Setup- Jim Brewer ($1)
Longman- Hank Fischer ($0.75)
SpotSP- Bob Hendley ($1)

Farm hands

C- J.C. Martin ($0.75)
C-
2B-
2B-
3B- Ken McMullen ($0.25)
SS-
LF-
CF-
SP- Wilbur Wood ($2)
SP- Bill Singer ($0.25)
RP- Stan Williams ($1.5)
RP- Joe Hoerner ($0.25)
P - Fred Newman ($0.25)
P- George Brunet ($0.25)
P- Gerry Arrigo ($0.25)
P - Don Cardwell ($1.75)
P - Bill Pleis ($0.25)
P - Frank Bertaina ($0.25)

Managerial Profile
Lineup vs Both

SS: Aparicio (Klaus 15%)
3B: Hart (Klaus)
LF: Stargell (Bruton 30%, Altman 10%)
CF: Kaline (Altman 10%
RF: Clemente (Bruton)
1B: White (Cunningham)
C: Roseboro (Gonder 20%)
2B: Pete Rose (Klaus 10%, Ruiz 10%)

Pinch hitting: Bruton, Gonder, Cunningham, Klaus, Altman, Ruiz, Pagan

Pitching
SP1 Drysdale
SP2 Pappas
SP3 Stallard
SP4 J. Fisher
SP5 Wilson (skip)

Spot starter:
Mop up: Hendley, H. Fischer
Long man: Hendley, H. Fischer
LH set up: Brewer, E. Fisher
RH set up: Gladding, Brewer
LH closer: E. Fisher, Brewer
RH closer: E. Fisher, Gladding

ProfileBunt for hit: Least
Batting
Sac bunt: Least
Squeeze: Least
Steal: Least (except Aparicio = more)
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: Standard
Pinch hitting
for pitchers: Less
for non-pitchers: Standard
for platoon partners: Standard
in blowouts: More
Pitching
pitch around - less
IBB - less
use relievers - less
use closers - more

Defense
hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

leecemark

11-29-2006, 01:06 PM

--Jim, you've got Hank Fischer on the Diablos opening day roster. He lacks the playing time to be eligible (not to mention his lack of talent;) ). I suggest Stan Williams as a replacement.

Edgartohof

11-29-2006, 01:18 PM

--Jim, you've got Hank Fischer on the Diablos opening day roster. He lacks the playing time to be eligible (not to mention his lack of talent;) ). I suggest Stan Williams as a replacement.

?? Doesn't Fischer pitch like 170 innings in '64?

leecemark

11-29-2006, 01:22 PM

--Nevermind, I had the wrong Fischer on the Diablos.

leecemark

11-29-2006, 01:23 PM

--JW, you said you added some info to your profile but all I see on your roster page is last years lineups, etc. Please advise before Opening Day.

Edgartohof

11-29-2006, 01:53 PM

--Robert, I have 36 not 33 players on your roster. Bob Buhl, Danny Cater and Roger Repoz are the missing players.

Thanks for noting that, just made the changes.

catcher24

11-29-2006, 04:39 PM

OK, looking over the lineups, looks like Jim (Diablos) will be greatly improved this year, and Wil (Gamblers) seems to be too. Chris will have some problems, mainly due to lack of starting pitching, and I don't see a repeat in the cards. Robert (Pirates) looks to be pretty competitive in the Hulbert Division, and Dan (Gold Sox) looks to have put together a pretty decent first year team. I think both the Gold Sox and the Pirates have put together very respectable every day lineups; I like the Pirates pitching better, at least for this season. I can see Max (Stingers) taking some lumps before his rookies start playing next year or in 66, but he'll be a much tougher opponent than any of the doormats ever were. Of course, the Hard Cider and Knights will be the teams to beat in their respective divisions, as always. Mac and Mark put together excellent teams every year. And this should be JW's year for sure - a lot of young talent coming together and peaking at the same time. Can't comment on Scott and Joe's teams, because they didn't need to post lineups (as I didn't) because they have the game, but I expect they'll be in the race as well.
My Legends will have a tough time this year with the Shoeless ones, JW's juggernaut and the newly created Pirates in the division. I feel like I have a pretty decent team, but I can see myself finishing anywhere from second to fourth in the division, and anywhere from the WC winner to 10th in the overall standings! A lot will depend on my pitchers and whether or not they perform up to "paper predictions".
Here's to a great season ahead!!:gt :clapping