2006 BaseBall Fever Awards (4th Annual) [Archive]

EvanAparra

01-01-2002, 06:20 AM

I'm still upset by the total lack of support for Markakis. Behind Johjima? What? Whoever gave Johjima those points is obviously a Seattle homer who pays no attention to stats. Markakis has a 19-point OBP lead, they have equal BA's, Johjima has a three-point SLG% lead, two more HRs, but that's it. The big one for me is Markakis' FIFTY-ONE POINT RC/27 lead. FIFTY-ONE. That anybody voted for Johjima over Markakis is upsetting.

Johjima is a catcher -- Markakis is a corner outfielder -- The production from Johjima is worth more than that from Markakis. I'd vote Johjima over Markakis, and i'm not a Seattle homer.

tearforamariner

01-01-2002, 07:34 AM

I'm still upset by the total lack of support for Markakis. Behind Johjima? What? Whoever gave Johjima those points is obviously a Seattle homer who pays no attention to stats. Markakis has a 19-point OBP lead, they have equal BA's, Johjima has a three-point SLG% lead, two more HRs, but that's it. The big one for me is Markakis' FIFTY-ONE POINT RC/27 lead. FIFTY-ONE. That anybody voted for Johjima over Markakis is upsetting.

Johjima had 22 Win Shares this season. Markakis had 13. It's not even all that close.

Erik Bedard

01-01-2002, 08:26 AM

Johjima is a catcher -- Markakis is a corner outfielder -- The production from Johjima is worth more than that from Markakis. I'd vote Johjima over Markakis, and i'm not a Seattle homer.

Of course, I'd be among the crowd who think Ichiro should be stripped of his ROY because he played under a major-league contract in another country. But my reasons for that would get into politics, so I'm not going to discuss this further. All I'm going to say is that, by matter of principle, Markakis is more qualified than Johjima.

And also, TFAM, Win Shares are a pretty skewed stat, from what little I know of them. They tend to overrate catchers, especially defense-wise. Offensively, if Johjima has a lead, it's almost always by a very small margin. Markakis has a FIFTY-ONE point lead in RC/27. And Markakis is a very good defensive right fielder, though there really isn't any way to measure pure speed and defensive skill (especially in the outfield). Anyway, it all comes down to which team you like better.

It's a 9 point difference, does it really matter? Markakis isn't a well-known player. I know Markakis, but I didn't even know he was a rookie.

It's at the bottom of the list, and it probably comes down to a few Mariner's fans who threw Johjima in because they knew of him. It's the market he plays in.

Why do you think Mourneau came in third here (by a lot of votes to boot)?

PS: What's RC/27?

Nine points is more than the difference between Dan Uggla and Ryan Zimmerman. Nine points is a pretty big difference. But what I'm most concerned about the three next to Markakis. That means only three people voted for him at most. And no, I wasn't one of them. I didn't submit a ballot at all, and if I did, I would have voted for Verlander. But hey, it's my mission to get Bedard and Markakis some visibility on this board, because they deserve it.

RC/27 is supposed to be a measure of how many runs a team made up of nine of that player would produce.

tearforamariner

01-01-2002, 08:47 AM

And also, TFAM, Win Shares are a pretty skewed stat, from what little I know of them. They tend to overrate catchers, especially defense-wise. Offensively, if Johjima has a lead, it's almost always by a very small margin. Markakis has a FIFTY-ONE point lead in RC/27. And Markakis is a very good defensive right fielder, though there really isn't any way to measure pure speed and defensive skill (especially in the outfield). Anyway, it all comes down to which team you like better.
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I can understand your problem with WS, but only at total WS. If we look at only offensive WS, position isn't a factor. With that said, Johjima has 14.6 offensive winshares, Markakis has 10.6.

The Commissioner

10-07-2006, 11:20 AM

Hey fellow Baseball Fever members,

Thanks to each and every one of you for making this another fantastic year at Baseball Fever!!! As has become a tradition here over the past three seasons, I will be accepting ballots once again via private message or email in an attempt to conduct an awards vote in a similar fashion as does the BBWAA. The points system will be the same as used in the official MLB ballots. Your ballots will not be revealed to anyone other than myself unless you wish to make them public. Ballots that are listed publicly will not be counted unless they are also accompanied by a PM or email to me containing the information as well.

For MVP please submit your top 10 choices for each league in order. A first place vote will receive 14 points, 2nd place 9 points, 3rd 8 points, etc. down to 1 point for a tenth place vote.

For Cy Young, ROY, and Manager of the Year please submit your top 3 choices for each league in order. A first place vote will receive 5 points, followed by 3 for a second place vote, and 1 for a third place vote.
Accomplishments in the post season should not be weighed in your voting decision.

After an ample time is given to vote, we will tally up the choices and see how we did in comparison to the Baseball Writers. Remember please vote for those players you feel deserve these honors and not necessarily the players that you think will win them. Remember, your vote counts!!! Thanks and happy voting.

If you care to view the results from last year, they may be seen here:

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=34294&highlight=Awards

-The Commish

Richmond Hill Phoenix

10-07-2006, 09:38 PM

Don't know if we're supposed to post in here, but I don't see why not.

Voting was toughest for the NL MVP (tough to fill the bottom half of the ballot), and the AL manager of the year (after Leyland, does it really matter?).

When can we expect the results?

Solrac

10-08-2006, 12:12 PM

Where do we post??? :noidea

EvanAparra

10-08-2006, 03:05 PM

By Private message or email.

racosun

10-09-2006, 12:55 AM

AL MVP:
1. Carlos Guillen, Detroit
2. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
3. David Ortiz, Boston
4. Manny Ramirez, Boston
5. Derek Jeter, New York
6. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
7. Frank Thomas, Oakland
8. Alex Rodriguez, New York
9. Jim Thome, Chicago
10. Travis Hafner, Cleveland

NL MVP:
1. Carlos Beltran, New York
2. Albert Pujols, St. Louis
3. Ryan Howard, Philadelphia
4. David Wright, New York
5. Miguel Cabrera, Florida
6. Jose Reyes, New York
7. Chase Utley, Philadelphia
8. Jason Bay, Pittsburgh
9. Lance Berkman, Houston
10. Carlos Delgado, New York (no, not a Mets fan)

AL Cy Young:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Johan Santana, Minnesota
3. Kenny Rogers, Detroit

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Young, San Diego
2. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
3. Roger Clemens, Houston

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Joe Torre, New York

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
2. Willie Randolph, New York
3. Tony LaRussa, St. Louis

I'm sure I mixed up a little bit, and I probably forgot a deserving vote or two, but this is what I submitted to The Commish as my official BBF vote. The easiest vote for me to make was Jim Leyland for AL Manager of the Year. Sure, I'm a homer, but I'm positive he'll win this catagory in a landslide. The toughest call to make was for NL MVP. I went with Carlos Beltran over Albert Pujols, mainly because the Mets were a much stronger team than the Cardinals, plus he was a fantasy stud for me this season after I picked him up on the cheap. I reward my players, yes. lol

wilkerson_rulz-06

10-09-2006, 06:23 AM

Not shy either

AL MVP:
1. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
2. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
3. Derek Jeter, New York
4. David Ortiz, Boston
5. Jim Thome, ChiSox
6. Frank Thomas, Oakland
7. Michael Young, Texas
8. Travis Hafner, Cleveland
9. Alex Rodriguez, Yankees
10. Jeremaine Dye, White Sox
HONORABLE MENTION: Vladimir Guerrerro, Angels; Raul Ibanez Mariners

NL MVP:
1. Ryan Howard, Phillies
2. Carlos Beltran, Mets
3. Alfonso Soriano, Nationals
4. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
5. Lance Berkman, Astros
6. Freddy Sanchez, Pirates
7. Nomar Garciapparra, Dodgers
8. Brian McCann, Braves
9. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins
10. Andruw Jones, Braves
HONERABLE MENTION: Garrett Atkins/ Matt Holiday, Rockies

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, Minnesota
2. Chien-Ming Wang, Yankees
3. Jon Garland, ChiSox

NL Cy Young:
1. Brandon Webb, Arizona
2. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
3. Carlos Zambrano, Cubs

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
2. Dan Uggla, Florida
3. Josh Barfield, Padres

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Ken Macha, Oakland

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Willie Randolph, New York
2. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
3. Jerry Narron, Reds

Brooklyn

10-09-2006, 07:12 AM

The toughest call to make was for NL MVP.

I sumbitted mine today.

The toughest call for me was NY Cy Young. No one stood out, and there where a bunch of people that looked very similar. Very tough to separate the pack

Ytown Tribe fan

10-09-2006, 10:29 AM

Is there a specific cutoff date for voting?

KCGHOST

10-09-2006, 12:03 PM

AL MVP

1. Derek Jeter NYA
2. Jermaine Dye CHA
3. Travis Hafner CLE
4. David Ortiz BOS
5. Grady Sizemore CLE
6. Carlos Guillen DET
7. Joe Mauer MIN
8. Miguel Tejada BAL
9. Manny Ramirez BOS
10. Jim Thome CHA

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Ryan Howard, Phillies
3. Carlos Beltran, Mets
3. Miguel Cabrera, Marlins
5. Lance Berkman, Astros
6. Matt Holliday, Col
7. Chase Utley, Phillies
8. Brian McCann, Braves
9. Jose Reyes, Mets
10. Jason Bay, Pitt

AL CYA

1. Johan Santana, Minnesota
2. Roy Holladay, Toronto
3. Chien-Ming Wang, Yankees

NL CYA

1. Roy Oswalt, Houston
2. Brando Webb, Arizona
3. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis

AL ROY

1. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota
2. Justin Verlander, Detroit
3. Jered Weaver, Los Angeles

NL ROY

1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Dan Uggla, Florida
3. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington

AL MOY

1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Ken Macha, Oakland

NL MOY

1. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
2. Willie Randolph, New York
3. Jerry Narron, Reds

insanefishpossay

10-09-2006, 01:03 PM

Sure, I'm a homer, but I'm positive he'll win this catagory in a landslide.

Voting Leyland for MOY doesn't make you a homer.

Putting Verlander ahead of Santana, on the other hand...

NewYork NewYork

10-09-2006, 04:02 PM

Voting Leyland for MOY doesn't make you a homer.

Putting Verlander ahead of Santana, on the other hand...

WOW WOW WOW. I thought Santana would be a unanimous decision, I picked him anyway. I cannot believe someone picked Verlander over him!

Ytown Tribe fan

10-09-2006, 04:46 PM

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Carlos Beltran
3. Miguel Cabrera
4. Lance Berkman
5. Ryan Howard
6. David Wright
7. Alfonso Soriano
8. Jose Reyes
9. Mike Cameron
10. Barry Bonds

AL MVP

1. Derek Jeter
2. David Ortiz
3. Joe Mauer
4. Manny Ramirez
5. Justin Morneau
6. Jim Thome
7. Johan Santana
8. Jermaine Dye
9. Jason Giambi
10. Travis Hafner

NL CYA

1. Brandon Webb
2. Roy Oswalt
3. Chris Carpenter

AL CYA

1. Johan Santana
2. Roy Halladay
3. John Lackey

NL ROY

1. Ryan Zimmerman
2. Josh Johnson
3. Hanley Ramirez

AL ROY

1. Justin Verlander
2. Kenji Johjima
3. Nick Markakis

NL MOY

1. Jerry Narron
2. Willie Randolph
3. Joe Girardi

AL MOY

1. Jim Leyland
2. Ron Gardenhire
3. Ken Macha

geezer

10-09-2006, 06:00 PM

My 2006 MLB Awards:

American League:

AL Rookie of the Year: Justin Verlander, Detriot Tigers
AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland, Detroit Tigers
AL Cy Young Award: Johan Santana, Minnesota Twins
AL Most Valuable Player: Derek Jeter, New York Yankees

National League:

NL Rookie of the Year: Dan Uggla, Florida Marlins
NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi, Florida Marlins
NL Cy Young Award: Roy Oswalt, Houston Astros
NL Most Valuable Player: Ryan Howard, Philadelphia Phillies

NewYork NewYork

10-09-2006, 08:03 PM

I already sent in my full list to The Commish but here are my winners...

American League:

AL Rookie of the Year: Justin Verlander, Detriot Tigers
AL Manager of the Year: Jim Leyland, Detroit Tigers
AL Cy Young Award: Johan Santana, Minnesota Twins
AL Most Valuable Player: Derek Jeter, New York Yankees

National League:

NL Rookie of the Year: Ryan Zimmerman, Washington Nationals
NL Manager of the Year: Joe Girardi, Florida Marlins
NL Cy Young Award: Chris Carpenter, St. Louis Cardinals
NL Most Valuable Player: Albert Pujols, St. Louis Cardinals

NewYork NewYork

10-09-2006, 08:23 PM

When is voting going to be closed?

Gashouse6

10-10-2006, 05:24 AM

AL MVP:
1. David Ortiz, BOS
2. Frank Thomas, OAK
3. Derek Jeter, NYY
4. Joe Mauer, MIN
5. Jermaine Dye, CHI
6. Justin Morneau, MIN
7. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
8. Travis Hafner, CLE
9. Michael Young, TEX
10. Johnny Damon, NYY

NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols, STL
2. Miguel Cabrera, FLA
3. Lance Berkman, HOU
4. Ryan Howard, PHI
5. Garrett Atkins, COL
6. Carlos Beltran, NYM
7. Freddy Sanchez, PIT
8. Andruw Jones, ATL
9. Matt Holliday, COL
10. David Wright, NYM

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, MIN
2. Justin Verlander, DET
3. Chien-Ming Wang, NYY

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Carpenter, STL
2. Aaron Harang, CIN
3. Carlos Zambrano, CHI

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, DET
2. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
3. Francisco Liriano, MIN

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, WAS
2. Chris Duncan, STL
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, DET
2. Joe Torre, NYY
3. Ron Gardenhire, MIN

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, FLA
2. Willie Randolph, NYM
3. Jerry Narron, CIN

ChrisLDuncan

10-10-2006, 10:34 AM

AL MVP:
1. Carlos Guillen, Detroit
2. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
3. David Ortiz, Boston
4. Manny Ramirez, Boston
5. Derek Jeter, New York
6. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
7. Frank Thomas, Oakland
8. Alex Rodriguez, New York
9. Jim Thome, Chicago
10. Travis Hafner, Cleveland

NL MVP:
1. Carlos Beltran, New York
2. Albert Pujols, St. Louis
3. Ryan Howard, Philad

elphia
4. David Wright, New York
5. Miguel Cabrera, Florida
6. Jose Reyes, New York
7. Chase Utley, Philadelphia
8. Jason Bay, Pittsburgh
9. Lance Berkman, Houston
10. Carlos Delgado, New York (no, not a Mets fan)

AL Cy Young:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Johan Santana, Minnesota
3. Kenny Rogers, Detroit

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Young, San Diego
2. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
3. Roger Clemens, Houston

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit
2. Ron Gardenhire, Minnesota
3. Joe Torre, New York

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, Unemployed
2. Willie Randolph, New York
3. Tony LaRussa, St. Louis

I'm sure I mixed up a little bit, and I probably forgot a deserving vote or two, but this is what I submitted to The Commish as my official BBF vote. The easiest vote for me to make was Jim Leyland for AL Manager of the Year. Sure, I'm a homer, but I'm positive he'll win this catagory in a landslide. The toughest call to make was for NL MVP. I went with Carlos Beltran over Albert Pujols, mainly because the Mets were a much stronger team than the Cardinals, plus he was a fantasy stud for me this season after I picked him up on the cheap. I reward my players, yes. lol

HOMER!!!!!!!

EvanAparra

10-10-2006, 11:21 AM

Ytown Tribe fan

10-10-2006, 02:21 PM

Now, now ... it is perfectly reasonable to have Verlander ahead of Santana on your AL CYA ballot. After all, Verlander bested Santana in the all-important Shutouts category, 1-0.

In fact, I'm considering changing my ballot to list Jake Westbrook first, since he had TWO shutouts. :crazy

mtortolero

10-10-2006, 02:56 PM

AL MVP:
1. Derek Jeter, NYY
2. Joe Mauer, MIN
3. Carlos Guillen, Det
4. Travis Hafner, CLE
5. Justin Morneau, MIN
6. Jermaine Dye, CHI
7. David Ortiz, BOS
8. Frank Thomas, OAK
9. Johan Santana
10. Johnny Damon, NYY

NL MVP:
1. Albert Pujols, STL
2. Carlos Beltran, NYM
3. Miguel Cabrera, FLA
4. Ryan Howard, PHI
5. Lance Berkman, HOU
5. Jose Reyes, MYM
6. Alfonso Soriano, WAS
7. Andruw Jones, ATL
8. Chase Utley, PHI
9. Nomar Garciaparra, LAD
10. Adrian Gonzalez, SDP

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, MIN
2. Justin Verlander, DET
3. Roy Halladay, Tor

NL Cy Young:
1. Brandon Webb, Ari
2. Chris Carpenter, STL
3. Carlos Zambrano, CHI

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, DET
2. Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
3. Francisco Liriano, MIN

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, WAS
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, DET
2. Ken Macha, Oak
3. Ron Gardenhire, MIN

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, FLA
2. Willie Randolph, NYM
3. Bruce Bochy, SDP

johncap

10-10-2006, 03:14 PM

AL MVP:
1. Joe Mauer, Minnesota
2. David Ortiz, Boston
3. Derek Jeter, New York
4. Justin Morneau, Minnesota
5. Frank Thomas, Oakland

NL MVP:
1. Ryan Howard, Phillies
2. Albert Pujols, Cardinals
3. Lance Berkman, Astros
4. Jose Reyes, Mets
5. Paul LoDuca, Mets

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana, Minnesota
2. Kenny Rogers, Tiger
3. Chien-Ming Wang, Yankees

NL Cy Young:
1. Chris Carpenter, St. Louis
2. Tom Glavine, Mets
3. Derek Lowe, Dodgers

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota
2. Justin Verlander, Detroit
3. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Ryan Zimmerman, Nats
2. Dan Uggla, Marlins
3. Hanley Ramirez, Marlins

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Jim Leyland, Detroit

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi, Marlins

johncap

10-10-2006, 03:18 PM

jeterMVP

10-10-2006, 04:03 PM

AL MVP:
1. Derek Jeter, NYY
2. Frank Thomas, OAK
3. David Ortiz, BOS
4. Jermaine Dye, CHI
5. Justin Morneau, MIN
6. Jim Thome, CHI
7. Vladimir Guerrero, LAA
8. Nick Swisher, OAK
9. Mariano Rivera, NYY
10. Johan Santana, MIN

I only care about the AL MVP race

EvanAparra

10-10-2006, 04:05 PM

johncap

10-10-2006, 04:29 PM

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Carlos Beltran
3. Miguel Cabrera
4. Lance Berkman
5. Ryan Howard
6. David Wright
7. Alfonso Soriano
8. Jose Reyes
9. Mike Cameron
10. Barry Bonds
I gotta tell ya, with all due respect. This is a joke. Arguably Pujols belongs in the top three. Howard 5 is ridicuolus as is Wright and Cameron in the top 25 and Bonds in the top 75. Lemme guess, you're a stats guy....

Ytown Tribe fan

10-10-2006, 04:52 PM

I guess games are won by character and media attention, not by putting runs on the board and preventing them on the field.

I stand corrected.

ChrisLDuncan

10-10-2006, 05:02 PM

AL MVP
1.) Derek Jeter
2.) Johan Santana
3.) Justin Morneau
4.) Joe Mauer
5.) Frank Thomas
6.) David Ortiz
7.) Jermaine Dye
8.) Jim Thome
9.) Chein Mai-Wang
10.) Manny Rameriez

AL CY
1.) Johan Santana
2.) Roy Halladay
3.) Wang

AL MOY

1.) Gardenhire
2.) Torre
3.) Leyland

AL ROY
1.) Verlander
2.) Papelbon
3.) Zumya

NL MVP

1.) Ryan Howard
2.) Carlos Beltran
3.) Albert Pujols
4.) Jose Reyes
5.) Nomar Garciaparra
6.) David Wright
7.) Trevor Hoffman
8.) Lance Berkman
9.) Carlos Zambrano
10.) Chris Carpenter

NL CY
1.) Trevor Hoffman
2.) Chris Carpenter
3.) Brandon Webb

NL MOY

1.) Joe Giradi (I AM SOOOOO SORRY THAT I FORGOT THIS GUY)
2.) Willie Randolph
3.) Bruce Bochy

NL ROY
1.) Dan Uggla
2.) Anabel Sanchez
3.) Ryan Zimmerman

mojorisin71

10-10-2006, 05:12 PM

I suspect there will be a large amount of invalid ballots...

Richmond Hill Phoenix

10-10-2006, 05:27 PM

I suspect there will be a large amount of invalid ballots...

Why is that?

Mariano_Rivera

10-10-2006, 05:33 PM

AL MVP:
1. Derek Jeter
2. Travis Hafner
3. Johan Santana

NL MVP:
1. Ryan Howard,
2. Carlos Beltran
3. Albert Pujols

AL Cy Young:
1. Johan Santana
2. Chien Ming Wang
3. Jeremy Bonderman

NL Cy Young:
1. Brandon Webb
2. Chris Carpenter
3. Roger Clemens

AL Rookie of the Year:
1. Justin Verlander, Detroit
2. Jonathan Papelbon, Boston
3. Francisco Liriano, Minnesota

NL Rookie of the Year:
1. Hanley Ramirez, Florida
2. Ryan Zimmerman, Washington
3. Dan Uggla, Florida

AL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Torre
2. Jim Leyland
3. Ron Gadrdenhire (SP?)

NL Manager of the Year:
1. Joe Girardi
2. Willie Randolph
3. Grady Little

racosun

10-10-2006, 05:37 PM

Voting Leyland for MOY doesn't make you a homer.

Putting Verlander ahead of Santana, on the other hand...

Yeah, Leyland will win that vote without me having to give him the extra homer points. That one is a no-brainer. The AL Cy Young vote was tougher, but I gave the nod to my hometown kid because Verlander outdueled Santana in a classic 1-0 game earlier this season (Tigers back-up catcher Vance Wilson plated the only run, a solo shot off of Santana late in the game), and they're stats aren't that far apart. I know Verlander doesn't stand a chance to win that catagory, but I figured I'd give him a few extra points and hopefully he can place in the top three when all is said and done.

My biggest act of homerism is Carlos Guillen for MVP. I see that a few others think he's worthy of a top-10 spot, which is acceptable to me. He doesn't have the greatest numbers, but his value to his team is tremendous. I think if Guillen spends a lot of time on the DL this season, the White Sox take the wild card and the Tigers hope for next year. Also, perhaps putting Kenny Rogers third in Cy Young balloting is a bit extreme, but I wasn't the only one to include The Gambler on their list.

HOMER!!!!!!!

Yes, I'm an admitted homer, and it can get silly sometimes. But not as silly as having Jim Leyland THIRD in AL Manager of the Year balloting. :crazy ;)

johncap

10-10-2006, 06:21 PM

I guess games are won by character and media attention, not by putting runs on the board and preventing them on the field.

I stand corrected.
I guess the guy who led the world in homers and RBIs and led virtually EVERY offensive category since the AS break is nothing more than character and media-friendly.

It's nice the have lowly baseball wanna-be fans envious of someone in Philly for once.

Major League Player of the Year. Rolls right off my tongue. Soon to have to move that rophy over for the NL MVP trophy.

johncap

10-10-2006, 06:23 PM

I suspect there will be a large amount of invalid ballots...
Even the REAL ballots are valid if they only pick one player in a category. It's not mandatory to select 10 MVP candidates in each league. Besides, what's the point of voting a guy 10th in MVP? Who cares after two or three...

W_Marone

10-10-2006, 06:26 PM

I used number ten as a vote for Jonny Gomes in the AL MVP. So one point will be goin his way.

ChrisLDuncan

10-10-2006, 07:12 PM

Yeah, Leyland will win that vote without me having to give him the extra homer points. That one is a no-brainer. The AL Cy Young vote was tougher, but I gave the nod to my hometown kid because Verlander outdueled Santana in a classic 1-0 game earlier this season (Tigers back-up catcher Vance Wilson plated the only run, a solo shot off of Santana late in the game), and they're stats aren't that far apart. I know Verlander doesn't stand a chance to win that catagory, but I figured I'd give him a few extra points and hopefully he can place in the top three when all is said and done.

My biggest act of homerism is Carlos Guillen for MVP. I see that a few others think he's worthy of a top-10 spot, which is acceptable to me. He doesn't have the greatest numbers, but his value to his team is tremendous. I think if Guillen spends a lot of time on the DL this season, the White Sox take the wild card and the Tigers hope for next year. Also, perhaps putting Kenny Rogers third in Cy Young balloting is a bit extreme, but I wasn't the only one to include The Gambler on their list.

Yes, I'm an admitted homer, and it can get silly sometimes. But not as silly as having Jim Leyland THIRD in AL Manager of the Year balloting. :crazy ;)

Santana has more wins, more Ks, a lower ERA, what more do you want?

Ytown Tribe fan

10-10-2006, 08:30 PM

I guess the guy who led the world in homers and RBIs and led virtually EVERY offensive category since the AS break is nothing more than character and media-friendly.

It's nice the have lowly baseball wanna-be fans envious of someone in Philly for once.

Major League Player of the Year. Rolls right off my tongue. Soon to have to move that rophy over for the NL MVP trophy.

Now, now ... those are stats: homers and RBI and all that highbrow stuff. You don't wanna be a stat head do ya?

Besides, if Howard was a real winner, his team woulda made the playoffs. LOL @ phils fans. NO ONE envies them.

EvanAparra

10-10-2006, 08:33 PM

It's nice the have lowly baseball wanna-be fans envious of someone in Philly for once.

:laugh :laugh :laugh

Hammerin Hank

10-10-2006, 08:44 PM

HOMER!!!!!!!

I second that. But it's hard to imagine that none of the sports writers aren't.

Hammerin Hank

10-10-2006, 09:49 PM

NL MVP
1. Albert Pujols, StL
2. Ryan Howard, Phi
3. Carlos Beltran, NY
4. Lance Berkman, Hou
5. Miguel Cabrera, Fla
6. Carlos Delgado, NY
7. Garret Atkins, Col
8. David Wright, NY
9. Alfonso Soriano, Was
10. Jose Reyes, NY

AL MVP
1. David Ortiz, Bos
2. Jermaine Dye, Chi
3. Alex Rodriguez, NY
4. Jason Morneau, Min
5. Travis Hafner, Cle
6. Jim Thome, Chi
7. Paul Konerko, Chi
8. Derek Jeter, NY
9. Grady Sizemore, Cle
10. Jason Giambi, NY

NL Cy Young
1. Chris Carpenter, StL
2. Brandon Webb, Ari
3. Roy Oswalt, Hou

AL Cy Young
1. Johan Santana, Min
2. Roy Halladay, Tor
3. Mike Mussina, NY

NL RoY
1. Hanley Ramirez, Fla
2. Ryan Zimmerman, Was
3. Dan Uggla, Fla

AL RoY
1. Justin Verlander, Det
2. Kenji Johjima, Sea
3. Nick Markakis, Bal

NL Manager
1. Willie Randolph, NY
2. Joe Girardi, Fla
3. Grady Little, LA

AL Manager
1. Jim Leyland, Det
2. Ron Gardenhire, Min
3. Ken Macha, Oak

johncap

10-10-2006, 09:52 PM

Now, now ... those are stats: homers and RBI and all that highbrow stuff. You don't wanna be a stat head do ya?

Besides, if Howard was a real winner, his team woulda made the playoffs. LOL @ phils fans. NO ONE envies them.
I was a "stat head" when you weren't even a stain on papa's shoe yet.

But this Bill James garbage is an abuse of mathematics.

Ytown Tribe fan

10-10-2006, 10:03 PM

Cholly Manuel should still get some consideration for Manager of the Year. After all, he didn't once collapse in a heap on the dugout steps this season.

Did they find a translator to help him along yet?

How about this guy:

http://people.lulu.com/storage/users/512/5512/images/25151/hillbilly%20jim%20miller%20black%20teeth%20cropped .gif

NewYork NewYork

10-11-2006, 05:55 PM

EvanAparra

10-11-2006, 05:58 PM

I agree with nearly everything you picked, but I can't believe you picked A-Rod for 3rd in the voting and Jeter 8th. I don't want to sound like a Jeter homer, but how can you possibly rank A-Rod as more valuable to the Yankees this year than Jeter.

Or even put A-Rod at 3rd at all, even if Jeter was first or second.

racosun

10-12-2006, 09:50 AM

Santana has more wins, more Ks, a lower ERA, what more do you want?

You already know my answer to that: an Old English D on his chest! :laugh

Hammerin Hank

10-12-2006, 10:56 AM

I agree with nearly everything you picked, but I can't believe you picked A-Rod for 3rd in the voting and Jeter 8th. I don't want to sound like a Jeter homer, but how can you possibly rank A-Rod as more valuable to the Yankees this year than Jeter.

I didn't really base these on "value", it's pretty much based only on stats and their team's final standings. Also factored into this situation is the fact that I don't like Jeter and I do like Alex.

Yankee Legend

10-12-2006, 08:41 PM

This was mine. Feel free to critique.

AL MVP
1. Derek Jeter SS Yankees
2. Joe Mauer C Twins
3. Justin Morneau 1B Twins
4. David Ortiz DH Red Sox
5. Johan Santana P Twins
6. Jermaine Dye OF White sox
7. Travis Hafner DH Indians
8. Roy Halladay P Blue Jays
9. Manny Ramirez OF Red Sox
10. Robinson Cano 2B Yankees

NL MVP
1. Albert Pujols 1B Cardinals
2. Ryan Howard 1B Phillies
3. Miguel Cabrera 3B Marlins
4. Carlos Beltran CF Mets
5. Jose Reyes SS Mets
6. Alfonso Soriano OF Nationals
7. Chris Carpenter P Cardinals
8. Lance Berkman 1B Astros
9. David Wright 3B Mets
10. Garrett Atkins 3B Rockies

AL Cy Young
1. Johan Santana Twins
2. Chein-Ming Wang Yankees
3. Roy Halladay Blue jays

NL Cy Young
1. Chris Carpenter Cardinals
2. Brandon Webb Diamondbacks
3. Roy Oswalt Astros

AL ROY
1. Justin Verlander P Tigers
2. Jonathan Papelbon P Red Sox
3. Francisco Liriano P Twins

NL ROY
1. Hanley Ramirez SS Marlins
2. Ryan Zimmerman 3B Nationals
3. Dan Uggla 2B Marlins

AL Manager of the Year
1. Jim Leyland Tigers
2. Ron Gardenhire Twins
3. Joe Torre Yankees

NL Manager of the Year
1. Joe Girardi Marlins
2. Willie Randolph Mets
3. Grady Little Dodgers

Defense Counts!

10-13-2006, 10:19 PM

If you want to measure the validity of fans voting for ANYTHING, just count all the people having Ryan Howard 4th and 5th in the NL MVP voting. That's a joke and just the reason the All Star game voting should be returned to the players.

In the All-Star game fans vote for the players THEY WANT TO SEE. So what if they're not technically 'the best'. It's just one game in which the players always claim they are there to 'have fun'.

johncap

10-13-2006, 10:47 PM

In the All-Star game fans vote for the players THEY WANT TO SEE. So what if they're not technically 'the best'. It's just one game in which the players always claim they are there to 'have fun'.
Yea, well, now the idiot commissioner has found a way to impact the World Series by the outcome of the axhibition game, the knowledgable fans sending who they want to see isn't a very good idea, now is it? Back in the day, when the players took that game very seriously AND the players selected their deserving peers, it seemed to work just fine thank you.

The Commissioner

10-14-2006, 11:10 PM

I suspect there will be a large amount of invalid ballots...

*sigh* Yep.

Please remember, if you haven't done so already, to send your complete ballot via PM to me: http://baseball-fever.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=86

Richmond Hill Phoenix

10-14-2006, 11:23 PM

Why does it have to be complete?? (Mine was complete.) I'm just wondering, because I'm sure many other people will have the same question.

johncap

10-14-2006, 11:25 PM

Why does it have to be complete?? (Mine was complete.) I'm just wondering, because I'm sure many other people will have the same question.
I take it posting here isn't sufficient.

EdmondsFan#1

10-15-2006, 12:26 AM

NL Cy Young:

1. Chris Carpenter ( Cardinals are going to the world series and it is going to have to do alot with this man here, and I get to laugh at you when you laugh at me for saying Cardinals are going to the series :dance )

2. Carlos Zambrano

3. Roy Oswalt (To the guy(s) that put roger clemens ahead of Roy Oswalt pitched around 200 innings with around a 2.8 ERA, Roger Clemens pitched around 100 innings with around a 2.3 ERA....)

AL Cy Young:

1. Johan Santana

2. Roy Halladay (Hello? Since Blue Jays don't go the playoffs because everyone but Wells and Halladay sucks on the team everyone forgets about arguebly the best pitcher in baseball right now?)

3. Justin Verlander

:ughh

Some of thse canidates make my stomach hurt , and after i sent the freaking PM and now i look back at what other people have said i have noticed that i had made terrible AL MVP canidates except for the top 3 :ughh

Defense Counts!

10-15-2006, 02:34 AM

Yea, well, now the idiot commissioner has found a way to impact the World Series by the outcome of the axhibition game, the knowledgable fans sending who they want to see isn't a very good idea, now is it? Back in the day, when the players took that game very seriously AND the players selected their deserving peers, it seemed to work just fine thank you.

But baseball is about drawing fans, too, and so sometimes you have to accept less than perfection to increase interest. So the All Star game has a miniscule effect on the World Series (is there any stats showing that home-field advantage affects the outcome? Most WS don't even go seven games)? Whoop-de-do. Fans cheering and booing while a pitcher is in his windup has an effect, too. Maybe we should outlaw that. After all, they don't allow it in golf and tennis.

tigers527

10-15-2006, 04:49 AM

My AL selections....I feel ill equiped to comment on the NL, so I won't.

MVP
1 David Ortiz BOS
2 Justin Morneau MIN
3 Jermaine Dye CHW
4 Joe Mauer MIN
5 Derick Jeter NYY
6 Travis Hafner CLE
7 Carlos Guillen DET
8 Frank Thomas OAK
9 Placido Polanco DET
10 Michael Young TEX

Sorry NY honks...but Jeter gets a lower vote then you would expect. As the Value in MVP...Take Jeter out of the line up, say injury. What happens you get A Rod @ SS and platooned 3B? And likely still 90+ wins (all the Yanks needed to win that division). Which is also the reason Polanco gets a vote, he did go down and the Tigers scuffled. Michael Young gets a vote for that all star triple, giving the AL homefield. Oh and he had a pretty good year too.

Cy Young
1 Johan Sanatana MIN
2 Roy Halladay TOR
3 Kenny Rogers DET

Ok, Kenny is just a homer kind of pick....but without him I doubt many of the DET starters would of had the year that they did.

ROY
1 Justin Verlander DET
2 Kenji Jojima SEA
3 Joel Zumaya DET

Where's the Zumaya love???????? sure there are maybe 5 guys that should get some votes? Frankly, I am surprised by the lack of Kenji love? But not even you raco? Vote for ZOOM ZOOM?

MOY
1 Jim Leyland DET
2 Ron Gardenhire MIN
3 Ken Mocca OAK

Buddy Bell 4th...<shrugs>

Ytown Tribe fan

10-15-2006, 06:05 AM

So the All Star game has a miniscule effect on the World Series (is there any stats showing that home-field advantage affects the outcome? Most WS don't even go seven games)?

Yes. The home field advantage is larger in the WS than any other "statistical advantage" either team may hold, including W-L record, ERA, etc. UNLESS the home team is the Braves in the '90s.

Home field advantage is huge in the WS. It is not miniscule.

Think about it: when were the last times that the team with home field advantage LOST the WS? It happened in 2003, 1999, 1992, 1984 and 1981. So since 1980, the team with home field advantage has won the WS 20 times, and lost 5 times.

Now, how about W-L record? Well, the team with the better W-L record, since 1980, has won the WS 10 times, and lost 15 times. Does that make sense to you? It does, if you figure that the team with the lesser W-L record had home field advantage in all but three cases: the 1992 Braves, the 1999 Braves, and the 2003 Yanks ... those are the only WS since 1980 in which the better team had home field advantage and still lost.

HFA is simply the dominant determining factor in the WS. It has been so since about 1985. Before that, there was a stretch when the home team lost the WS ... it was almost the rule in the '70s, and the team with the better W-L record won most of the time. For some reason, around 1985, it simply stopped happening and the home team started winning almost all the time no matter who had the better W-L record.

STLCards2

10-15-2006, 10:15 AM

AL MVP

1. Justin Morneau
2. Derek Jeter
3. David Ortiz
4. Jermaine Dye
5. Joe Mauer

AL CY YOUNG

1. Johan Santana
2. Roy Halladay
3. Chein-Ming Wang
4. Justin Verlander
5. Mike Mussina

AL ROTY

1. Justin Verlander
2. John Paplebon
3. Fransisco Liriano

AL MOTY

Jim Leyland

NL MVP

1. Albert Pujols
2. Ryan Howard
3. Carlos Beltran
4. Lance Berkman
5. Miguel Cabrera

NL CY YOUNG

1. Brandon Webb
2. Roy Ozwalt
3. Chris Carpenter
4. Trevor Hoffman
5. Carlos Zambrano

NL ROTY

1. Ryan Zimmerman
2. Dan Uggla
3. Hanley Ramirez

NL MOTY

Joe Girardi

Richmond Hill Phoenix

10-15-2006, 12:20 PM

2. Roy Halladay (Hello? Since Blue Jays don't go the playoffs because everyone but Wells and Halladay sucks on the team everyone forgets about arguebly the best pitcher in baseball right now?)

How about Lyle Overbay, Troy Glaus, AJ Burnett and BJ Ryan. They really suck! :noidea :noidea

EdmondsFan#1

10-15-2006, 12:53 PM

How about Lyle Overbay, Troy Glaus, AJ Burnett and BJ Ryan. They really suck! :noidea :noidea

Yep.

Except BJ Ryan, but he is still not in Roy Halladay's league.

EvanAparra

10-15-2006, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by EdmondsFan#1

2. Roy Halladay (Hello? Since Blue Jays don't go the playoffs because everyone but Wells and Halladay sucks on the team everyone forgets about arguebly the best pitcher in baseball right now?)

Very arguably... Most people still know how good he is... People in Canada like to think that he's not given enough credit even if he is.

Richmond Hill Phoenix

10-15-2006, 01:24 PM

Yep.

Except BJ Ryan, but he is still not in Roy Halladay's league.

Did you watch one Jay's game this year? Overbay is a doubles machine. Troy Glaus had an amazin first three-quarters of a season (let's just forget the last month and a half). Burnett, once recovered from injury, was lights-out. And I won'e even talk about BJ Ryan.

EdmondsFan#1

10-15-2006, 02:20 PM

Did you watch one Jay's game this year? Overbay is a doubles machine. Troy Glaus had an amazin first three-quarters of a season (let's just forget the last month and a half). Burnett, once recovered from injury, was lights-out. And I won'e even talk about BJ Ryan.

No, actually, i haven't seeing as where i am we only get red sox, yankees, cardinals, and cubs games...

And, don't get me wrong, i know how good all those guys are, i was joking around. But i guess i was a little harsh on the comment. Maybe, Jays have some good ballplayers but they are still not a good team. Since they are not a great team it seems like alot of times Roy Halladay is not getting regonized for his accomplishments as much as he should. Maybe it's not because they are a mediocore team, maybe it's becuase they don't get much publicity at all...

Richmond Hill Phoenix

10-15-2006, 06:11 PM

No, actually, i haven't seeing as where i am we only get red sox, yankees, cardinals, and cubs games...

And, don't get me wrong, i know how good all those guys are, i was joking around. But i guess i was a little harsh on the comment. Maybe, Jays have some good ballplayers but they are still not a good team. Since they are not a great team it seems like alot of times Roy Halladay is not getting regonized for his accomplishments as much as he should. Maybe it's not because they are a mediocore team, maybe it's becuase they don't get much publicity at all...

I agree about The Doc. However, I disagree with you saying that the Jays were mediocre this year. They (like several other teams in the AL) would have made the playoffs had they been in the NL. They had a better record than St. Louis, and they played the Yankees and Boston 18 times each this season.

I agree with what you say about Halladay. But disagree with your judgement of the Blue Jays.

EvanAparra

10-15-2006, 06:17 PM

I agree about The Doc. However, I disagree with you saying that the Jays were mediocre this year. They (like several other teams in the AL) would have made the playoffs had they been in the NL. They had a better record than St. Louis, and they played the Yankees and Boston 18 times each this season.

I agree with what you say about Halladay. But disagree with your judgement of the Blue Jays.

Well, they aren't in the NL, and the game is different in the NL, so you don't really know how they would have done. They weren't a mediocre team, but they were not a very good team either.

Dravecky43

10-16-2006, 02:51 PM

2. Roy Halladay (Hello? Since Blue Jays don't go the playoffs because everyone but Wells and Halladay sucks on the team everyone forgets about arguebly the best pitcher in baseball right now?)
Frankly, I'd call Halladay arguably the second best pitcher in baseball right now. I just can't throw him in the same category as Johan.

Neilios

10-16-2006, 05:12 PM

AL MVP
1. Justin Morneau
2. Jermaine Dye
3. Derek Jeter
4. David Ortiz
5. Carlos Guillen

AL Cy
1. Johan Santana
2. Joe Nathan
3. Mike Mussina
4. Roy Halladay
5. Justin Verlander

AL ROY
1. Justin Verlander
2. Joel Zumaya
3. Liriano & Weaver (neither had a full season)

AL MOY
1. Jim Leyland
2. Ron Gardenhire
3. Ken Macha

NL MVP
1. Ryan Howard
2. Albert Pujols
3. Miguel Cabrera
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Lance Berkman

NL Cy
1. Chris Carpenter
2. Brandon Webb
3. Carlos Zambrano
4. Roy Oswalt
5. John Smoltz

NL ROY
1. Ryan Zimmerman
2. Hanley Ramirez
3. Prince Fielder

NL MOY
1. Joe Girardi
2. Willie Randolph
3. Bruce Bochy

Defense Counts!

10-19-2006, 07:03 AM

Yes. The home field advantage is larger in the WS than any other "statistical advantage" either team may hold, including W-L record, ERA, etc. UNLESS the home team is the Braves in the '90s.

Home field advantage is huge in the WS. It is not miniscule.

Think about it: when were the last times that the team with home field advantage LOST the WS? It happened in 2003, 1999, 1992, 1984 and 1981. So since 1980, the team with home field advantage has won the WS 20 times, and lost 5 times.

Now, how about W-L record? Well, the team with the better W-L record, since 1980, has won the WS 10 times, and lost 15 times. Does that make sense to you? It does, if you figure that the team with the lesser W-L record had home field advantage in all but three cases: the 1992 Braves, the 1999 Braves, and the 2003 Yanks ... those are the only WS since 1980 in which the better team had home field advantage and still lost.

HFA is simply the dominant determining factor in the WS. It has been so since about 1985. Before that, there was a stretch when the home team lost the WS ... it was almost the rule in the '70s, and the team with the better W-L record won most of the time. For some reason, around 1985, it simply stopped happening and the home team started winning almost all the time no matter who had the better W-L record.

Okay, so I stand corrected. However, it should be pointed out that a team used to get home field advantage simply because it was their league's turn, so these days only about half of the time does the outcome of the All Star game affect who gets home field.

HecDel

10-21-2006, 08:52 AM

2006 American League Most Valuable Player

1st - Derek Jeter, NY-A
2nd - Justin Morneau, MIN
3rd - David Ortiz, BOS
4th - Joe Mauer, MIN
5th - Johan Santana, MIN
6th - Jermaine Dye, CH-A
7th - Frank Thomas, OAK
8th - Carlos Guillén, DET
9th - Jim Thome, CH-A
10th - Vladimir Guerrero, LA-A

2006 American League Manager of the Year

1st - Jim Leyland, DET
2nd - Ron Gardenhire, MIN
3rd - Joe Torre, NY-A

2006 American League Cy Young Award

1st - Johan Santana, MIN
2nd - Justin Verlander, DET
3rd - Chien-Ming Wang, NY-A

2006 American League Rookie of the Year

1st - Justin Verlander, DET
2nd - Jonathan Papelbon, BOS
3rd - Francisco Liriano, MIN

National League Most Valuable Player

1st - Albert Pujols, STL
2nd - Ryan Howard, PHI
3rd - Lance Berkman, HOU
4th - Carlos Beltrán, NY-N
5th - José Reyes, NY-N
6th - Chase Utley, PHI
7th - Miguel Cabrera, FLA
8th - David Wright, NY-N
9th - Trevor Hoffman, SD
10th - Alfonso Soriano, WAS

National League Cy Young Award

1st - Trevor Hoffman, SD
2nd - Chris Carpenter, STL
3rd - Brandon Webb, ARI

National League Manager of the Year

1st - Willie Randolph, NY-A
2nd - Joe Girardi, FLA
3rd - Grady Little, LA-N

National League Rookie of the Year

1st - Hanley Ramírez, FLA
2nd - Ryan Zimmerman, WAS
3rd - Dan Uggla, FLA

Hammerin Hank

10-21-2006, 01:19 PM

9th - Trevor Hoffman, SD
10th - Trevor Hoffman, SD

I think you made a boo-boo.

johncap

10-24-2006, 11:13 PM

So, is there gonna be compiled results one of these days or are you waiting until after the WS?

TeST911

10-25-2006, 09:20 AM

for me 2006 American League Manager of the Year has to go to Jim Leyland =)

NewYork NewYork

11-06-2006, 07:03 PM

So when are the results going to be posted?

johncap

11-06-2006, 07:05 PM

So when are the results going to be posted?
I think we're waiting for the Japanese series to end, for all the official awards to be announced and for the Cubs to win the WS. Right after that.

W_Marone

11-12-2006, 10:13 PM

results anyone?

The Commissioner

11-13-2006, 12:13 PM

I think we're waiting for the Japanese series to end, for all the official awards to be announced and for the Cubs to win the WS. Right after that.

I was unaware that this was an issue of such pressing urgency or I would have hired PricewaterhouseCoopers to tabulate the results. :rolleyes:

The Commissioner

11-13-2006, 12:14 PM

The balloting has officially ended. I will be posting the results as soon as I am able to total them up.

johncap

11-13-2006, 12:23 PM

I was unaware that this was an issue of such pressing urgency or I would have hired PricewaterhouseCoopers to tabulate the results. :rolleyes:
What's the point of voting if you can't sit up late and watch the clickers (you have to be OLD — Walter Cronkite old — to know what that refers to) tally the votes?

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:04 AM

The totals are in and have been officially tallied. The number of first place votes are in parentheses (where applicable) followed by the number of total points.

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:07 AM

A.L. Manager of The Year

1. Jim Leyland (24) 126
2. Ron Gardenhire (2) 60
3. Ken Macha 25
4. Joe Torre (1) 21
5. Ozzie Guillen 4
t-6. John Gibbons 1
t-6. Joe Maddon 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:11 AM

N.L. Manager of the Year

1. Joe Girardi (18) 104
2. Willie Randolph (5) 66
3. Grady Little (1) 18
4. Bruce Bochy 16
5. Jerry Narron (1) 10
6. Charlie Manuel 6
7. Clint Hurdle (1) 5
8. Phil Garner 4
9. Tony LaRussa 2

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:30 AM

A.L. Rookie of the Year

1. Justin Verlander (20) 115
2. Jonathan Papelbon (4) 59
3. Francisco Liriano (3) 43
4. Jered Weaver (1) 12
5. Kenji Johjima 12
6. Nick Markakis 3
7. Joel Zumaya 1
8. Melky Cabrera 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:43 AM

N.L. Rookie of the Year

1. Dan Uggla (7) 69
2. Ryan Zimmerman (8) 68
3. Hanley Ramirez (9) 65
3. Josh Johnson (1) 14
t-4. Prince Fielder (1) 6
t-4. Josh Willingham (1) 6
6. Chris Duncan 3
7. Anibal Sanchez 2
t-8. Matt Cain 1
t-8. Andre Ethier 1
t-8.Russell Martin 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:51 AM

A.L. Cy Young Award

1. Johan Santana (26) 136
2. Roy Halladay 48
3. Chien-Ming Wang (1) 27
4. Justin Verlander(1) 16
5. Mike Mussina 7
t-6. Joe Nathan 3
t-6. Kenny Rogers 3
t-8. Jeremy Bonderman 1
t-8. Danny Haren 1
t-8. John Lackey 1
t-8. Jonathan Papelbon 1
t-8. Francisco Rodriguez 1
t-8. C.C. Sabathia 1
t-8. Curt Schilling 1
t-8. Barry Zito 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 01:58 AM

N.L. Cy Young Award

t-1. Brandon Webb (10) 74
t-1. Chris Carpenter (9) 74
3. Roy Oswalt (3) 39
4. Chris Young (2) 16
5. Carlos Zambrano (1) 11
t-6. Billy Wagner (1) 6
t-6. Aaron Harang 6
t-8. Trevor Hoffman (1) 5
t-8. John Smoltz 5
10. Roger Clemens 2
11. Derek Lowe 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 02:23 AM

A.L. Most Valuable Player

1. Derek Jeter (10) 246
2. David Ortiz (6) 229
3. Justin Morneau (4) 176
4. Joe Mauer (3) 160
5. Jermaine Dye (2) 149
6. Travis Hafner 105
7. Johan Santana 91
8. Frank Thomas (1) 90
9. Carlos Guillen (2) 70
10. Manny Ramirez 59
11. Jim Thome 47
12. Grady Sizemore 33
13. Alex Rodriguez 22
14. Vladimir Guerrero 12
15. Johnny Damon 10
16. Paul Konerko 9
17. Roy Halladay 8
t-18. Jonathan Papelbon 7
t-18. Miguel Tejada 7
t-20. Michael Young 6
t-20. Ivan Rodriguez 6
t-20. Ichiro Suzuki 6
t-23. Michael Cuddyer 4
t-23. Nick Swisher 4
t-25. Bobby Abreu 3
t-25. Jason Giambi 3
t-25. Magglio Ordonez 3
t-25. Placido Polanco 3
t-25. Francisco Rodriguez 3
t-25. Justin Verlander 3
t-31. C.C. sabathia 2
t-31. Vernon Wells 2
t-33. Robinson Cano 1
t-33. Jonny Gomes 1
t-33. Mariano Rivera 1
t-33. Jason Varitek 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 02:23 AM

N.L. Most Valuable Player

1. Albert Pujols (16) 313
2. Ryan Howard (10) 281
3. Carlos Beltran (1) 187
4. Lance Berkman 156
5. Miguel Cabrera 153
6. Alfonso Soriano 80
7. Jose Reyes 74
8. Chase Utley 60
9. David Wright 54
10. Carlos Delgado 18
t-11. Garrett Atkins 17
t-11. Nomar Garciaparra 17
13. Chris Carpenter 14
14. Jason Bay 11
t-15. Brandon Webb 10
t-15. Freddy Sanchez 10
t-17. Barry Bonds 9
t-17. Matt Holliday 9
19. Brian McCann 7
t-20. Chris Young 5
t-20. Dan Uggla 5
t-20. Chipper Jones 5
t-23. Ray Durham 4
t-23. Andruw Jones 4
t-23. Nick Johnson 4
t-23. Scott Rolen 4
t-23. John Smoltz 4
28. Aaron Harang 3
t-29. Mike Cameron 2
t-29. J.D. Drew 2
t-29. Trevor Hoffman 2
t-32. Roy Oswalt 1
t-32. Mike Piazza 1
t-32. Juan Pierre 1
t-32. Billy Wagner 1

The Commissioner

11-19-2006, 02:25 AM

johncap

11-19-2006, 09:30 AM

Thank you to everyone who voted this year, and thank you very much for your patience regarding this.

Also, a very special thank you to Dravecky43, whose help was invaluable in tabulating the results!!!!
His arm didn't break while doing thing this did it? :radio

Get it, Dravecky, Dave Dravecky, arm broke throwing a pitch, no? Um, never mind...

I certainly hope the voters here are slightly off on the NL MVP vote!

NewYork NewYork

11-19-2006, 03:27 PM

Great Job Commish. It seems like a really tight race in many places this year. I can't believe Santana wasn't unanimous. The NL ROY and CY Young Races were exciting and it's one of the few times where MY vote mattered lol. Seems like we had great races all over, can't wait for next year.

EvanAparra

11-19-2006, 03:28 PM

Lol, who voted for Danny Haren?

W_Marone

11-20-2006, 06:22 PM

who voted for Jonny Gomes....I have no idea.... :confused:

cubsfan1073

11-20-2006, 07:21 PM

who voted for Jonny Gomes....I have no idea.... :confused:
i think jonny gomes got on this website and voted for himself

W_Marone

11-21-2006, 12:26 PM

i think jonny gomes got on this website and voted for himself

Hahaha...well...someone (me) has to give "the man" some respect around here. That's who the Phillies should trade for baby.:D That;s my boy.

tigers527

12-01-2006, 10:58 PM

Well, at least Pujols can hold the MVP BBF award over Ryan Howards' head. Ha see you didn't make the playoffs, that's why I won. It should be noted that Ryan Howards' team had a better regular season record then the Cards.....whatever thats worth. But Howard could of went to that, had he been as classless as Pujols, over the BBWAA awarding of Howard MVP.

ChrisLDuncan

12-01-2006, 11:58 PM

And atleast Jeter can finally hoist his MVP.

Erik Bedard

12-02-2006, 11:51 AM

Richmond Hill Phoenix

12-02-2006, 02:38 PM

It's a 9 point difference, does it really matter? Markakis isn't a well-known player. I know Markakis, but I didn't even know he was a rookie.

It's at the bottom of the list, and it probably comes down to a few Mariner's fans who threw Johjima in because they knew of him. It's the market he plays in.

Why do you think Mourneau came in third here (by a lot of votes to boot)?

PS: What's RC/27?

Erik Bedard

12-06-2006, 01:03 PM

I can understand your problem with WS, but only at total WS. If we look at only offensive WS, position isn't a factor. With that said, Johjima has 14.6 offensive winshares, Markakis has 10.6.

And since I don't know the WS formula off the top of my head, I'm struggling to see where that difference comes from. From glancing over their stats, I don't see any where Johjima has a big lead, and a few where Markakis does.

Dravecky43

12-06-2006, 02:14 PM

And since I don't know the WS formula off the top of my head, I'm struggling to see where that difference comes from. From glancing over their stats, I don't see any where Johjima has a big lead, and a few where Markakis does.
Does it have anything to do with positions played? Jojima, of course, is a catcher, and Markakis an outfielder. Jojima's line is great for a rookie catcher, while Markakis' line is just good for a rookie outfielder. So maybe the offensive win shares thing is adjusted for comparisons to other people at their position.

G.Costanza

12-14-2006, 03:48 AM

Johjima is a catcher -- Markakis is a corner outfielder -- The production from Johjima is worth more than that from Markakis. I'd vote Johjima over Markakis, and i'm not a Seattle homer.
I agree,and im not a seattle fan either,plus you also have factor in safe-co field is murder on righties,ask richie sexson how many homers he's lost over two years.

Zito75

12-16-2006, 12:16 AM

And no, I didn't vote for Haren or Zito. ;)

wilkerson_rulz-06

12-16-2006, 03:57 PM

Richmond Hill Phoenix

12-24-2006, 05:56 PM

BTW i KNEW YOU WOULD BE SO PRESUMTIOUS TO THINK I MEANT REGULAR TEAM,AND YOU WALKED INTO THE MOUSE TRAP ONCE AGAIN.Hows the cheese taste with that clamp slamed on ya???

I don't think that he was being presumptuous at all. Anyone would assume that you meant regular team. I could say that Jeter and Manny have played on the same team, but I don't think that anyone would agree with me.

As to the debate on Ichiro, I agree that he should not have been eligible for the ROY. He wasn't a first year player in professional baseball, therefore he shouldn't have been able to win it. In no way am I suggesting that they strip him of the honour, but they should ammend it so that it doesn't happen again (for possible example, with Matsuzaka this season).

Richmond Hill Phoenix

12-25-2006, 10:34 AM

YOUR FUTILE ARGUMENT NOW IS THAT TORRE'S BASEBALL OPINION IS NOT VALID BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE!!!!!!?????!!!!!!!WATCHING THEM BOTH??????Now your saying he didn't play with Ichiro,THAT is your only point?????yOUR CLINGING TO THAT BRANCH TO SAY TORRE'S OPINION SHOULDNT EVEN BE CONSIDERED????

He never said that Torre's opinion shouldn't be considered.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. EB is allowed to think that Clemente was better than Ichiro, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't consider Torre's opinion as well. I think that Ichiro is a great player, but since I never saw Clemente, I can't really say.

You can make comparaisons with Carew and Lofton (although I think Lofton was better on the basepaths than Ichiro) based on stats. Comparing players defenses with stats is tougher to do, because stats don't tell the whole story when it comes to defense. So unless you've seen Ichiro and Clemente both play, it's tough to say.

-Geoff

PS: I'm not trying to insult you, but it would really help if you didn't type in CAPS so much, and used proper punctuation. I find it difficult to read your posts, and find myself having to read over them a few times to make sure I understand what you're saying. Maybe use Bold instead of CAPS.