New Yankee Stadium construction

[TinoM24]

my comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, in how someone compared it to a movie theater seat that has the cupholders on the armrest.

[six4three]

I figured that, but since there's precious little new information on the construction, I thought it worth commenting on. :D

[SparkyL]

On an unrelated topic . . . I am very happy that the Yankees have no representative in this group:

[TinoM24]

Even if there was one, what would it be? A cartoon bomb, as in the Bronx Bombers? Except that probably wouldnt work in today's world.

[GordonGecko]

On an unrelated topic . . . I am very happy that the Yankees have no representative in this group:

lol, yeah I can't imagine the Yankees having a mascot, they don't need one and it would hurt the brand. But on the other hand, I don't have anyhting against mascots as a concept. How many highlight reels have you seen of the Philly Phanatic messing with someone in the stands, it's good stuff. Mascots are good for the kids.

[NYBase]

I saw this online a few years ago... is this true?

Found these linkds today...
http://www.waswatching.com/archives/2008/01/dandy_the_yanke.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandy_(mascot)


He appeared at the start of the 1980 season and was so unpopular that he was quickly cancelled. Dandy was beaten up by fans who didn't want a mascot, and quit, leading to the elimination of the character as the Yankees chose not to replace him.

Could be worse, but I'm OK without it.

[tdinan]

lol, yeah I can't imagine the Yankees having a mascot, they don't need one and it would hurt the brand. But on the other hand, I don't have anyhting against mascots as a concept. How many highlight reels have you seen of the Philly Phanatic messing with someone in the stands, it's good stuff. Mascots are good for the kids.

Yeah, I guess the closest thing the Yankees have to a mascot is Yogi, God bless him.

[Yankees2k6]

I saw this online a few years ago... is this true?

Found these linkds today...
http://www.waswatching.com/archives/2008/01/dandy_the_yanke.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandy_(mascot)



Could be worse, but I'm OK without it.
Couldn't they just make uncle sam that time instead of Dandy?

[seeknay22]

great shots at the new yankee stadium just a couple of minutes ago on ESPN.. looks like the large video scoreboard is complete and I thought for a second that it was on and showing something.. i guess we'll see more tonight.. if anyone could post some still shots from todays game, that would be great.

[nymdan]

great shots at the new yankee stadium just a couple of minutes ago on ESPN.. looks like the large video scoreboard is complete and I thought for a second that it was on and showing something.. i guess we'll see more tonight.. if anyone could post some still shots from todays game, that would be great.
I'm sure there will be a lot of good blimp shots tonight and tomorrow... I hope someone here gets some screen grabs.

[Aviator_Frank]

Wouldn't it be nice if they fired up the lights at the new park and see both lit up in an aerial shot. Now that would be a desktop wallpaper keeper.

[COLTS7]

That’s a great shot, it almost looks like the lights are on at the NYS.

[Aviator_Frank]

That’s a great shot, it almost looks like the lights are on at the NYS. I used this foto from flickr, one of the best aerials ever posted.

[GordonGecko]

I used this foto from flickr, one of the best aerials ever posted.

Yes, that's only a crop of the best aerial ever which was taken by one of our own, "brerwolfe" of Baseball-fever.com who is a freelance photographer and works in various blimp airships:



http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1237568&postcount=5512
http://flickr.com/photos/brerwolfe/2640446271/in/photostream/
http://flickr.com/photos/brerwolfe/2645224066/

[SteveJRogers]

I'm sure there will be a lot of good blimp shots tonight and tomorrow... I hope someone here gets some screen grabs.

Tomorrow for sure, I don't think I saw ANY tonight.

[Yankees12]

There were a few tonight - the CF screen is visibly finished/almost finished, and that's about all I could make out. The aerial shots of NYS were very brief and only had NYS in a corner of the picture, with OYS getting the focus.

[Spruce Moose]

the camera crew sucked tonight. i was also hoping to see a nice aerial of the new stadium.

[YanksRule]

Even if there was one, what would it be? A cartoon bomb, as in the Bronx Bombers? Except that probably wouldnt work in today's world.

Well, Staten Island has Scooter the Holy Cow...

[Judge Smails]

the camera crew sucked tonight. i was also hoping to see a nice aerial of the new stadium.

Blame the director and producers....not the camera crew. As usual ESPN blows it!:thumbsdown:

[Coach Bombay]

They can go with a group of mascots like the Nationals. Instead of presidents, they can have Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle

[curb my enthusiasm]

the camera crew sucked tonight. i was also hoping to see a nice aerial of the new stadium.

I saw a really nice aerial right at the beginning of the broadcast, but that's about it.

You have to remember, old Yankee Stadium is the story at this All-Star Game, and most people are not interested in seeing the new stadium still under construction. We're in the minority here.

[Rennie Stennett]

The object above could be a Klingon Starship. The lower could be the Interprise.

[Shadly]

Well, Staten Island has Scooter the Holy Cow...



That's weird. Scranton used to have the Holy Cow, but now they have this purple thing. I wonder why they sent Scooter down? Was his slugging down? Did they just bring him up for a cup of coffee before the purple thing was ready for triple A?

[SparkyL]

Blame the director and producers....not the camera crew. As usual ESPN blows it!:thumbsdown:

I thought that the camera work was aweful. I wanted to track the ball on its way out. Too often they used the standard "behind the pitcher close up" - which is important during a real game when balls/strikes matter. Other times they would show close up side views of the batter.

Again - I wanted to watch the flight of the ball. And there were several times when they tried to show that and actually lost the ball altogether (it was comical when the ball landed in the LF upper deck and the camera continued on to the lower deck). I was waiting for a ball to clear the Stadium wall thru the "peek thru" and have them miss it altogether.

I guess they aren't using the usual YES guys who know the Stadium like the back of their hands . . .

[mets16]

http://flickr.com/photos/jjway2006/2672896894/
Pretty cool seeing it rise up from OYS

[Sizzlin Yanks]

Here's a comparison pic of the two friezes. It certainly seems that the new one is smaller, or at least is more streamlined and makes less of an impression.



I think the old frieze is way more close up and the newone is taken further back. When they get the dark blue seats in it should looks great.

BTW, I LOVE the color of the seats. To me it completes a huge part of the stadiums look.

[locke40]

Anyone else see the shot of NYS from behind first base last night? They put down the foul lines, and the NY insignia on the dirt of the infield, and you could get an awesome sense of how close home plate will be to the grandstand next year. I wish someone could post a screencap.

[DisabledMess]

I love the holy cow thing. I'm wondering, with Hank and Hal at the controls if they would let the Yankees have a mascot.

[Ralf]

Nobody got the 2 shots of NYS infield lines having been drawn up and the "NY" insignia behind home plate from last nights broadcast?

[locke40]

Nobody got the 2 shots of NYS infield lines having been drawn up and the "NY" insignia behind home plate from last nights broadcast?

Wondering the same thing myself. :)

[NYBase]

What inning? I still have the game on DVR I can take a pic with my cell... it's something right?

[Shadly]

I love the holy cow thing. I'm wondering, with Hank and Hal at the controls if they would let the Yankees have a mascot.

Absolutely not! No mascot, no way!!

[Ralf]

[NYBase]

Love it, opposition is going to hate that.

[locke40]

Good work, Ralf! There was another angle from down the first base side more, were it showed the lower decks and how close homeplate is going to be.

[TinoM24]

looks off centered, but whatever, it probably isnt permanent.

[donut726]

looks off centered, but whatever, it probably isnt permanent.

the final logo may be smaller than that since the temporary logo doesn't take into consideration the warning track in the backstop.

[monkeypants]

looks off centered, but whatever, it probably isnt permanent.

I imagine it's not permanent, given that, oh, the turf hasn't been installed yet.

[LetsGoMets687]

I imagine it's not permanent, given that, oh, the turf hasn't been installed yet.

You don't know that. Perhaps the Yankees will be going with the full Japanese look next year. ;)

[Brock]

I know for a fact the logo will be bigger and more visible. The one shown is temp.

:)

[YanksRule]

Nobody got the 2 shots of NYS infield lines having been drawn up and the "NY" insignia behind home plate from last nights broadcast?


What were they saying about the new stadium? Anything new? I was at the game so didn't get to hear the broadcast. I know Michael Kay got on the radio for a half inning and was doing the same schpeel about the 5-star hotel and dimensions being the same and blah blah blah...

He also said he thought the bullpens were going to be put back to where they were in the pre-renovated stadium which shows how much he knows about it.. unless they changed the design, which I highly doubt considering the layout of the outfield risers

[donut726]

I know for a fact the logo will be bigger and more visible. The one shown is temp.

:)

fact? i dont think so. the logo will actually be smaller if you consider how little grass space there actually is.

[SultanOfWhat]

I think the old frieze is way more close up and the newone is taken further back. When they get the dark blue seats in it should looks great.

BTW, I LOVE the color of the seats. To me it completes a huge part of the stadiums look.

I tried to line up the seats at the bottom of the frame, the mezzanines, and the bottom of the upper deck. Since the old YS upper deck looks taller, this is probably a function of a slight zooming in by the photographer. However, I think that it is clear that the old frieze more detailed and larger overall (even if the latter is due to the protruding finials on the bottom of the old frieze).

As to the poster who wrote that he preferred the new upper deck because of more light, more air etc., I would reply that if you simply took the old frieze off and put it on the new Stadium's upper deck, those benefits would still be realized.

Again, I think the Yankee brass missed a great opportunity with he frieze. They could have really transferred a sense of the glory years of the Yankee past to the virgin ballpark by creating ornate frieze sections each bearing the year of a Yankee WS championship. How cool would it be to look up in the new YS and see the original frieze reborn, with 1923, 1927, 1941, 1956, 1961, 1977, 1998, 2000 etc. carved into the bones of the new Stadium? And whenever the Yankees won another WS, the new frieze section could be unveiled on each following opening day. Imagine a WS banner being removed to reveal the new frieze section bearing the year of the latest championship- again, representing a permanent addition to the Stadium.

Probably more rewarding to most Yankee fans than, say, a martini bar.

[SparkyL]

What were they saying about the new stadium? Anything new? I was at the game so didn't get to hear the broadcast. I know Michael Kay got on the radio for a half inning and was doing the same schpeel about the 5-star hotel and dimensions being the same and blah blah blah...

He also said he thought the bullpens were going to be put back to where they were in the pre-renovated stadium which shows how much he knows about it.. unless they changed the design, which I highly doubt considering the layout of the outfield risers

From the very beginning is has been said that the bullpens will return to their original positions and that the Yankee bullpen will return to right field. Just like the "same dimensions" and "return of the Limestone facade" this statement is not 100% acurate . . . centering the bullpens with MP in the middle is nowhere near returning the BPs to their original locations - between the grandstand and the bleachers.

[YanksRule]

That's weird. Scranton used to have the Holy Cow, but now they have this purple thing. I wonder why they sent Scooter down? Was his slugging down? Did they just bring him up for a cup of coffee before the purple thing was ready for triple A?

Well, Scooter has been in SI since they got baseball, so I guess he started there, was brought up to AAA but couldn't cut it there so was sent back down (huge drop too.. AAA to low-level A...)

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

fact? i dont think so. the logo will actually be smaller if you consider how little grass space there actually is.

Just an observation looking back - from looking at Andrew Clem's interactive ballpark diagrams, Yankee Stadium pre and post-1975 has the most space behind homeplate(the greatest distance from HP to the backstop directly behind it) of any ML Ballpark currently in play. Not the most ever - that award probably goes to Candlestick. :eek:

But definitely far more behind HP than YS'09.

[monkeypants]

I tried to line up the seats at the bottom of the frame, the mezzanines, and the bottom of the upper deck. Since the old YS upper deck looks taller, this is probably a function of a slight zooming in by the photographer. However, I think that it is clear that the old frieze more detailed and larger overall (even if the latter is due to the protruding finials on the bottom of the old frieze).

It's tough to line up the photos, when it is clear that they are host from different distances and angles. In your original post, as someone pointed out, the entrances in the OYS photo are huge compared to the NYS entrances, suggesting that the photo of OYS is zoomed much closer. You said in one post that the NYS is supposed to be at least as tall as the OYS, yet the photos show OYS much taller.

i tried to find some more comparable photos and scale them more closely. The effect is somewhat different from the two images that you posted. I'm not convinced that mine is more accurate, though...

[LetsGoMets687]

...the greatest distance from HP to the backstop directly behind it) of any ML Ballpark currently in play. Not the most ever - that award probably goes to Candlestick. :eek:


The award goes to Forbes Field in a landslide--110 feet.

[Stat One Author]

Dude...you could get from home to first a lot faster than home to the backstop. That really takes away from feeling a part of the game.

[History Of Baseball Fan]

what was the point in dividing the upper deck into 2 small decks in the new stadium ? to me, it looks kind of stupid :S

[TinoM24]

its more for the open concourse illusion that you would be able to see the field from the concourses. when in reality, you really cant see any of the field from there, just directly across the stadium. revenue also has something to do with it, as the seats in the lower part i believe are marked as tier boxes, and are more expensive than the upper part which is called tier reserved.

[YanksRule]

Also there won't be obstructed views for the first 2 rows of the Grandstand like there is for the Tier Reserved in the current stadium because of the aisle. Plus, talking about the aisle, instead of being an inside concourse aisle and one narrower outside one, there will now only be one huge aisle which will help for circulation of fans.

[GordonGecko]

the final logo may be smaller than that since the temporary logo doesn't take into consideration the warning track in the backstop.

Who knows how wide the warning track will be. Hopefully there's enough space for a nice big NY

[GordonGecko]

what was the point in dividing the upper deck into 2 small decks in the new stadium ? to me, it looks kind of stupid :S

1. Allows for open concourse to see the crowd, scoreboard, and field when waiting in line for your refreshments

2. Segregates sections miore effectively so they can better justify higher prices in lower half

[Mattingly85MVP]

It's tough to line up the photos, when it is clear that they are host from different distances and angles. In your original post, as someone pointed out, the entrances in the OYS photo are huge compared to the NYS entrances, suggesting that the photo of OYS is zoomed much closer. You said in one post that the NYS is supposed to be at least as tall as the OYS, yet the photos show OYS much taller.

i tried to find some more comparable photos and scale them more closely. The effect is somewhat different from the two images that you posted. I'm not convinced that mine is more accurate, though...

This photo matches pretty well with the first photo of the new stadium

[YanksRule]

So because the bleacher creatures will not be in section 39 anymore... Vinny (the one who starts the roll calls) is "retiring".. there may not be anymore roll call after this season..

"Section 39 will be a luxury suite region behind home plate. The Creatures will be relocated to a right-field Section 203. A triple-digit slap in the face.

'They're really sticking it to us," Bald Vinny said. "That's why I've decided to announce my retirement tonight.'

You read it here first, a bittersweet passing of the torch. Vinny says he's hanging it all up, the T-shirt stands and the roll call and everything else. His wife, Rose, is expecting their baby next month. Section 203 will never be Section 39. 'I need a full-time job,' Vinny said. "

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/07/15/2008-07-15_nip__tux_ruling_means_roll_call_for_yank.html

[monkeypants]

This photo matches pretty well with the first photo of the new stadium

Thanks--I was looking for a shot like that. OK, I poached a screen capture from the yankees.com photos, to compare (I'm not fussing around with any scaling right now, but they seem to be pretty close.)

[monkeypants]

So because the bleacher creatures will not be in section 39 anymore... Vinny (the one who starts the roll calls) is "retiring".. there may not be anymore roll call after this season..

"Section 39 will be a luxury suite region behind home plate. The Creatures will be relocated to a right-field Section 203. A triple-digit slap in the face.

'They're really sticking it to us," Bald Vinny said. "That's why I've decided to announce my retirement tonight.'

You read it here first, a bittersweet passing of the torch. Vinny says he's hanging it all up, the T-shirt stands and the roll call and everything else. His wife, Rose, is expecting their baby next month. Section 203 will never be Section 39. 'I need a full-time job,' Vinny said. "

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/07/15/2008-07-15_nip__tux_ruling_means_roll_call_for_yank.html

Does anyone else find it odd that a fan would have more loyalty to the number on his seating section, than to the team? What difference does it make what they call the section?

[Emobacca]

Does anyone else find it odd that a fan would have more loyalty to the number on his seating section, than to the team? What difference does it make what they call the section?
Vinny is being half-sarcastic. He has a family to support now and can no longer show up to upwards of 81 home games.

[Coach Bombay]

Thanks--I was looking for a shot like that. OK, I poached a screen capture from the yankees.com photos, to compare (I'm not fussing around with any scaling right now, but they seem to be pretty close.)

Isn't the picture of the NYS fish lens?

[monkeypants]

Isn't the picture of the NYS fish lens?

Aren't they both? Or there are some strange shaped fans in the stands in the OYS.

[YanksRule]

Vinny is being half-sarcastic. He has a family to support now and can no longer show up to upwards of 81 home games.

Even if he's not there, I think there will still be roll call.. when he was on Yes's Ultimate Road Trip in 2003 (I think?), most of the time, he wasen't in the bleachers and there was still roll call...

And congrats to him!

[Yankees12]

Vinny is being half-sarcastic. He has a family to support now and can no longer show up to upwards of 81 home games.

Yeah, I think that's the real reason he's leaving.

I've heard other people lead the roll call before - I'm sure someone else will take over full-time.

[yanksfan23]

i think they both are, with the oys shot a bit more extreme...

That shot really hits home with the issue of the upper deck. NYS "short porch" no longer applies to anything but the field seats, and short of maybe Giambi or the next time Hamilton hits in the derby, i highly doubt we'll being seeing any of the dramatic upper deck shots so iconic to the Stadium. Sight lines be d*****, thats the biggest loss IMO.

Ive come to terms with that...but a complaint (and quick fix)

Monument park (or the flag pole) obviously aren't on the field. And I don't know how practical that really is in the modern era with injuries, etc. But why cover up monument park with the wall? Lower the wall in center, put the flagpole in monument park (not in the visiting bullpen where new models show it) and give the illusion it's on the field...

[LetsGoMets687]

i think they both are, with the oys shot a bit more extreme...

That shot really hits home with the issue of the upper deck. NYS "short porch" no longer applies to anything but the field seats, and short of maybe Giambi or the next time Hamilton hits in the derby, i highly doubt we'll being seeing any of the dramatic upper deck shots so iconic to the Stadium. Sight lines be d*****, thats the biggest loss IMO.

Ive come to terms with that...but a complaint (and quick fix)

Monument park (or the flag pole) obviously aren't on the field. And I don't know how practical that really is in the modern era with injuries, etc. But why cover up monument park with the wall? Lower the wall in center, put the flagpole in monument park (not in the visiting bullpen where new models show it) and give the illusion it's on the field...

Can't lower the wall in CF to expose the park because it's the batters eye.

[monkeypants]

i think they both are, with the oys shot a bit more extreme...

That shot really hits home with the issue of the upper deck. NYS "short porch" no longer applies to anything but the field seats, and short of maybe Giambi or the next time Hamilton hits in the derby, i highly doubt we'll being seeing any of the dramatic upper deck shots so iconic to the Stadium. Sight lines be d*****, thats the biggest loss IMO.


To each his own. I never found upper deck HRs, which can be no more than 350' fly balls, particularly majestic. I love blasts deep into the bleachers myself.



Ive come to terms with that...but a complaint (and quick fix)

Monument park (or the flag pole) obviously aren't on the field. And I don't know how practical that really is in the modern era with injuries, etc. But why cover up monument park with the wall? Lower the wall in center, put the flagpole in monument park (not in the visiting bullpen where new models show it) and give the illusion it's on the field...

Two new parks had flagpoles in the field: Minute Maid in Houston, and Comerica in Detroit (before they brought the fences in), but the distances to CF are/were greater than current and new YS's 408'.

[yanksfan23]

Can't lower the wall in CF to expose the park because it's the batters eye.

tru, didn't think about that. than raise it like prerenovation.

[jimmyjimjimz]

Ive come to terms with that...but a complaint (and quick fix)

Monument park (or the flag pole) obviously aren't on the field. And I don't know how practical that really is in the modern era with injuries, etc. But why cover up monument park with the wall? Lower the wall in center, put the flagpole in monument park (not in the visiting bullpen where new models show it) and give the illusion it's on the field...


I agree with you. They should make new monument park look more like the current monument park. The 1st 3 monuments in the front, Mickey and DiMaggio to the sides, but they should move the 9/11 monument out of the corner. I don't think that should be all the way in the back in the corner.



Can't lower the wall in CF to expose the park because it's the batters eye.

Then, they should put up tinted plexy glass. The plexy glass in left field in the current stadium hasn't broke or shattered yet, so maybe they can put tinted plexy glass up.

[seeknay22]

Thanks--I was looking for a shot like that. OK, I poached a screen capture from the yankees.com photos, to compare (I'm not fussing around with any scaling right now, but they seem to be pretty close.)

the rightfield porch is bigger in the current yankee stadium than the new..

[yanksfan23]

wall height design, restaurant, blind spots in the bleachers, a facade to incase the upper deck supports to mirror OYS, and moving the bullpens back...all great suggestions, and honestly, if done, I feel as though we'd have a fitting tribute to the Stadium. Many people on this thread have said, "don't worry, the stadium that opens in 2009 won't be the same as the one in 2020 or even 2012." Is it just me or is that incredibly naive? Would they really spend another dollar after 1.4 bill...

[Gary Dunaier]

The monuments shouldn't be on the field... it's disrespectful to the players who are buried underneath them, to have other players running atop their graves...

:confused:

Okay... okay... I know the players aren't really buried in Monument Park. I was just trying to make a little funny.

:noidea

* sigh *

As far as the interlocking NY on the field behind the plate... if there isn't enough room for it, is there any reason why they can't put "Yankees" in that beautiful 'Yankee script' (that's what I call it) there? They can always put interlocking NYs on the backstop, next to where the rotating ads are going to be...

[ruthianpower328]

And up those steps, a new place, a new legacy, and new legend is born.

Anyway, I came across these photos on nyyfans.com and one of the posters y the name of Melvin Oppenheimer recently went on a tour, and he took some incredible shots. So all this go's to Melvin. I just was craving for some new interior photos, and this set has about 97 of them.

http://goyankees.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01

[curb my enthusiasm]

I can't believe that the stadium's going to be done in nine months. It looks like they have a ton of work left to do.

But judging by the pictures, it's looking great.

[donut726]

I can't believe that the stadium's going to be done in nine months. It looks like they have a ton of work left to do.

But judging by the pictures, it's looking great.


here is what the stadium looked like 9 months ago



so...alot can certainly be done in 9 months.

[Coach Bombay]

Delete Delete Delete

[Coach Bombay]

[Pinstripes]

You're right... the seasts look GREAT. I love the color, and the simple, clean, sleek look.

As far as the porch goes, yes it's short. Down the line it will be the same as the current stadium, but it's fairly clear from both blueprints and the current construction that the wall does not go out as quickly as the current stadium, creating a shorter porch in RF. Additinally, the wall will supposedly be a few feet lower in RF than the current wall in YS.

[Coach Bombay]

There we go..

[LetsGoMets687]

You're right... the seasts look GREAT. I love the color, and the simple, clean, sleek look.

As far as the porch goes, yes it's short. Down the line it will be the same as the current stadium, but it's fairly clear from both blueprints and the current construction that the wall does not go out as quickly as the current stadium, creating a shorter porch in RF. Additinally, the wall will supposedly be a few feet lower in RF than the current wall in YS.

By all accounts that's correct.

It will be 385 feet to the visitors bullpen, but as anyone can see, the bullpen is hardly the "power alley".

[Pinstripes]

Just for fun did a little photoshopping to see what the whole stadium will sort of look like with the seats in.



I think it will make the frieze pop a bit more.

[Coach Bombay]

Looks like the 1st deck is closer to the field

[Pinstripes]

Looks like the 1st deck is closer to the field
It definitely looks that way. Many HRs will be hit into those "loge" seats (whatever they call them at the new stadium). Additionally, the fact that the porch will be somewhat closer in that area may result in many HRs even being hit into the upper deck, despite the fact that the upper deck is further back a bit.

[Coach Bombay]

Is this a team/management/employee entrance or a regular game day entrance?

[LetsGoMets687]

It definitely looks that way. Many HRs will be hit into those "loge" seats (whatever they call them at the new stadium). Additionally, the fact that the porch will be somewhat closer in that area may result in many HRs even being hit into the upper deck, despite the fact that the upper deck is further back a bit.

The second deck is called MAIN in the NYS, and yes, there will be a ton of homers into the Main level. There still might be homers into the upper deck in RF. In LF--never.

[curb my enthusiasm]

The second deck is called MAIN in the NYS, and yes, there will be a ton of homers into the Main level. There still might be homers into the upper deck in RF. In LF--never.

What I like in the new stadium is that upper deck home runs to right field are going to have to be 400+ foot bombs. In the current stadium, many of them are 330 foot pop ups. Sometimes you see an upper deck home run now, and you're like, "Wow, they crushed that ball". No, they didn't. The upper deck just got in the way of the ball's flight path, which would have landed only a few rows back in the 1st deck if the upper deck wasn't there. So in the new stadium, we'll get more "worthy" upper deck homers.

[peterrod16]

I guess anything the yanks can sell for ad space they will
The cup holders already have a dunkin donuts sticker on the cupholders. view pic
Love the yankee logo on the side of the seat.

[donut726]

What I like in the new stadium is that upper deck home runs to right field are going to have to be 400+ foot bombs. In the current stadium, many of them are 330 foot pop ups. Sometimes you see an upper deck home run now, and you're like, "Wow, they crushed that ball". No, they didn't. The upper deck just got in the way of the ball's flight path, which would have landed only a few rows back in the 1st deck if the upper deck wasn't there. So in the new stadium, we'll get more "worthy" upper deck homers.

Josh Hamilton can probably hit a few all the way up there. when is he gonna be a free agent?

[bronxbombers2]

great so see what appears to be more seats being put up, this time in the upper deck. who do you think is on pace to be finished first, NYS or Citi?

[NYBase]

Just for fun did a little photoshopping to see what the whole stadium will sort of look like with the seats in.



I think it will make the frieze pop a bit more.

I think there will be seats in front of those suites. Not sure.

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

The award goes to Forbes Field in a landslide--110 feet.

In its original 1909 configuration - yes. In it's last configuration, it looks about equal to the same area in YS23-08. Acc to the Clem site.

[brerwolfe]

the camera crew sucked tonight. i was also hoping to see a nice aerial of the new stadium.

not that he can do anything about it at this point, but i'll let my blimp boss know. i'm in the UK at the moment covering the british open, but i'm pretty sure it was him on the camera.

in his defense, networks are pretty stingy when it comes to using the aerial shots...they really only want to see one type, wide.

i like doing work for some of the "smaller" hometown stations like YES and NESN. they act like they have new-toy-syndrome whenever the blimp is around-- they'll use it extremely often.

[six4three]

Love the yankee logo on the side of the seat.

Me too, although I really wish they had gone with either the jersey logo or the cap logo, rather than that one.

[YankeeDean]

Can someone get information about the apparent changes in the scoreboard design? Recent photos indicate they have flipped the secondary video display/advertisement set-up. It now looks like smaller advertisements will be on top and the out-of-town scores, lineups etc. will be below. The recent models (as others have noted) show panelling instead of exposed steel in the back of the scoreboard, with the right and left field portions built as high as the main video screen in the middle. Some posters have said the fan-fest model reflects an older design, and there is no evidence of new steel going up,but im not sure anymore. If you look at other sites' most recent photos, there is a second box-like section in place on the right-field side (on top of the one visible in recent posts here) that would leave very little room for ads unless the board is built taller, or unless that second box is for ads. It bothers me because I still have hope that they are going to surprise us and put the 1976 outfield frieze on top of the new stadium's scoreboard.

[YanksRule]

Does anyone else think it looks weird that in the last section in the Main level they have an aisle going only half way down, and yet no other section has that? I understand they want to fit in as many seats as they can, but why only that section? The section next to it may be a little narrower, but it's still pretty wide. And what will it look like when filled with people and theres just that cut through in the middle of it? It may look really weird and out of place.. plus I guarantee you people who are in the row or 2 below where that aisle ends are going to go down it just to have to turn around.

[Tino24]

Does anyone else think it looks weird that in the last section in the Main level they have an aisle going only half way down, and yet no other section has that? I understand they want to fit in as many seats as they can, but why only that section? The section next to it may be a little narrower, but it's still pretty wide. And what will it look like when filled with people and theres just that cut through in the middle of it? It may look really weird and out of place.. plus I guarantee you people who are in the row or 2 below where that aisle ends are going to go down it just to have to turn around.

I believe if you look to the left of it there is an aisle for the other side. So it is a bit wierd

[finch5682]

the whole end of the decks look weird to me. I wish they were angeled the same as the current stadium. some views of it look really odd.

[Saltzy007]

Does anyone else think it looks weird that in the last section in the Main level they have an aisle going only half way down, and yet no other section has that? I understand they want to fit in as many seats as they can, but why only that section? The section next to it may be a little narrower, but it's still pretty wide. And what will it look like when filled with people and theres just that cut through in the middle of it? It may look really weird and out of place.. plus I guarantee you people who are in the row or 2 below where that aisle ends are going to go down it just to have to turn around.
Im guessing is because theres no entry to that section from the LF side, so they came up with a 'half aisie' for the top portion where there are like 50 seats going across, vs the bottom portion of the section where you can get over easier...just guessing though...does look a bit odd...

[TinoM24]

those angled structures at the end of the decks are ramps, right?

[NYBase]

Imagine sitting in the middle of that isle and getting your hot dog and beer handed down by the people around. It would get irritating after a while.

[SparkyL]

those angled structures at the end of the decks are ramps, right?

Stairs, actually.

[donut726]

Can someone get information about the apparent changes in the scoreboard design? Recent photos indicate they have flipped the secondary video display/advertisement set-up. It now looks like smaller advertisements will be on top and the out-of-town scores, lineups etc. will be below. The recent models (as others have noted) show panelling instead of exposed steel in the back of the scoreboard, with the right and left field portions built as high as the main video screen in the middle. Some posters have said the fan-fest model reflects an older design, and there is no evidence of new steel going up,but im not sure anymore. If you look at other sites' most recent photos, there is a second box-like section in place on the right-field side (on top of the one visible in recent posts here) that would leave very little room for ads unless the board is built taller, or unless that second box is for ads. It bothers me because I still have hope that they are going to surprise us and put the 1976 outfield frieze on top of the new stadium's scoreboard.

dont think they changed the scoreboard design as far as i can tell. the secondary scoreboard is still on top of the ads (hasn't been installed yet). the paneling that's been installed are for the ads. Also, the scoreboard on the model are not accurate. since on the real scoreboard, the center screen is higher than the rest of the scoreboard structure while the model doesn't reflect that. i'm guessing some lit up ads will go up on top of the scoreboard structure where the Yankee Stadium sign is shown in the renderings. something like the John Hancock sign at Fenway.

[yanksfan23]

the whole end of the decks look weird to me. I wish they were angeled the same as the current stadium. some views of it look really odd.

agreed...the reason they did it is sight lines and having all of the seats point towards homeplate. But I completely agree with you, why not have the decks as they are in OYS and simply angle the seats towards home???

[yanksfan23]

forgot...also it appears so that views from the bleachers are unobstructed
(guess they forgot about that when designing the restaurant...or just didn't care)

[bronxbombers2]

And up those steps, a new place, a new legacy, and new legend is born.



http://goyankees.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album01

do you think that top image is where the clubhouse connects with the dugout? long flight to walk up every day

[YankeeDean]

dont think they changed the scoreboard design as far as i can tell. the secondary scoreboard is still on top of the ads (hasn't been installed yet). the paneling that's been installed are for the ads. Also, the scoreboard on the model are not accurate. since on the real scoreboard, the center screen is higher than the rest of the scoreboard structure while the model doesn't reflect that. i'm guessing some lit up ads will go up on top of the scoreboard structure where the Yankee Stadium sign is shown in the renderings. something like the John Hancock sign at Fenway.

Its the model that makes me wonder because I too thought the "boxes" were for ads until I saw the model. i look forward to more info.

[SparkyL]

agreed...the reason they did it is sight lines and having all of the seats point towards homeplate. But I completely agree with you, why not have the decks as they are in OYS and simply angle the seats towards home???

I think that Earl Santee (lead architect) got angle-happy, with the scorecard ends, the staircases that mirror them, the termination of the grandstands and the bleachers.

[SparkyL]

Can someone get information about the apparent changes in the scoreboard design? Recent photos indicate they have flipped the secondary video display/advertisement set-up. It now looks like smaller advertisements will be on top and the out-of-town scores, lineups etc. will be below. The recent models (as others have noted) show panelling instead of exposed steel in the back of the scoreboard, with the right and left field portions built as high as the main video screen in the middle. Some posters have said the fan-fest model reflects an older design, and there is no evidence of new steel going up,but im not sure anymore. If you look at other sites' most recent photos, there is a second box-like section in place on the right-field side (on top of the one visible in recent posts here) that would leave very little room for ads unless the board is built taller, or unless that second box is for ads. It bothers me because I still have hope that they are going to surprise us and put the 1976 outfield frieze on top of the new stadium's scoreboard.

They already had a "final beam" topping off celebration, so that's it for the steel.

[YankeeDean]

They already had a "final beam" topping off celebration, so that's it for the steel.

I think SparkyL and Donut726 have cleared this up. Thanks. It is weird that the All-Star game public model would be so wrong. All it's other deatails seem right-on. Well nobody ever accused Bud Selig of being a genius "Lon make sure you send over the latest model"

[YanksRule]

I think SparkyL and Donut726 have cleared this up. Thanks. It is weird that the All-Star game public model would be so wrong. All it's other deatails seem right-on. Well nobody ever accused Bud Selig of being a genius "Lon make sure you send over the latest model"

They probably don't have a model later than that... everything was probably done on the blue prints and in computerized images

[finch5682]

I think this would look much better for the end of the decks and closer to current YS. plus they could get rid of the half isle. I forgot to add an isle on the end but im sure you see what I mean.

[SparkyL]

I think this would look much better for the end of the decks and closer to current YS. plus they could get rid of the half isle. I forgot to add an isle on the end but im sure you see what I mean.


I like that better as well - plus it would allow the last section of the frieze to be wider.

[jerseyyankeefan]

I like that better as well - plus it would allow the last section of the frieze to be wider.

Everyting can't be base on looks, if you're in that aisle seat, then you'd spend the entire game getting up to let 20 people in and out.

[nymdan]

The parking garage with the rooftop park looks like it's coming along...

[jimmyjimjimz]

The parking garage with the rooftop park looks like it's coming along...


Theyre putting a park on the roof of a garage? They think that's safe? So when a kid is up there playing, and there's all these cars under the park with fumes comming out, and the kid gets sick, what's gonna happen?

[TinoM24]

since when do people leave their cars on when theyre parked? if theyre not on, then theres no fumes to travel thru 5 levels of concrete. and what little amount of fumes does travel up (honestly, breathing in an open space is probably worse) will be absorbed by the trees and grass, because thats what they do.

[finch5682]

Everyting can't be base on looks, if you're in that aisle seat, then you'd spend the entire game getting up to let 20 people in and out.

yeah i ment to put aisles on the ends but ran out of time. they would work with that design too though so it would look better with that shape and the aisles.

[yanksfan23]

speaking of parking garages...what is that??? (seems to be attached to the stadium)

[Shadly]

plus I guarantee you people who are in the row or 2 below where that aisle ends are going to go down it just to have to turn around.

That's exactly why they did it! How funny is that going to be! :rofl: A professional baseball game isn't enough to justify those beer prices, you have to give me more than that!

[SparkyL]

speaking of parking garages...what is that??? (seems to be attached to the stadium)

That is one of the new parking garages - this one is attached to the back of the Stadium. From what I recall it will be for the Yankees (players and staff), NYC officials and high-end ticket holders.

[six4three]

That is one of the new parking garages - this one is attached to the back of the Stadium. From what I recall it will be for the Yankees (players and staff), NYC officials and high-end ticket holders.

I'd tend to doubt that - that's Parking Garage B, "a five-level garage located south of East 164th Street at the northern end of the proposed stadium and north of the service road. The garage would accommodate approximately 920 spaces with one entire level located below-grade and five levels above-grade
(including one level of roof parking). Two-way vehicular access would be available at Jerome Avenue and River Avenue. Parking Garage B would be located in the southern portion of John Mullaly Park, which currently contains tennis and handball courts."

I'd think they'd want to put players and VIPs in a smaller lot closer to the freeway, much easier to get in and out of than a five-story garage.

[bronxbombers2]

excited to see the upper deck seats preparing to be installed. wonder how long it'll take to see the dark blue filling up the top half of NYS

[cinco64]

Does anyone else think it looks weird that in the last section in the Main level they have an aisle going only half way down, and yet no other section has that? I understand they want to fit in as many seats as they can, but why only that section? The section next to it may be a little narrower, but it's still pretty wide. And what will it look like when filled with people and theres just that cut through in the middle of it? It may look really weird and out of place.. plus I guarantee you people who are in the row or 2 below where that aisle ends are going to go down it just to have to turn around.

The reason for the aisle going part of the way down is because the building code limits the total number of seats you can have in a row. Because that section of seating is pie-shaped, there would have been too many seats across unless they added a mid-aisle at some point. Rather than bringing the aisle all the way down and eliminating more seats, they brought it as far down as they had to in order to meet code (I'm an architect, is why I know this).

[YankeeFanBx]

The reason for the aisle going part of the way down is because the building code limits the total number of seats you can have in a row. Because that section of seating is pie-shaped, there would have been too many seats across unless they added a mid-aisle at some point. Rather than bringing the aisle all the way down and eliminating more seats, they brought it as far down as they had to in order to meet code (I'm an architect, is why I know this).
Thanks for the information, good to have you here!
Is that called just bad planning?

[YanksRule]

The reason for the aisle going part of the way down is because the building code limits the total number of seats you can have in a row. Because that section of seating is pie-shaped, there would have been too many seats across unless they added a mid-aisle at some point. Rather than bringing the aisle all the way down and eliminating more seats, they brought it as far down as they had to in order to meet code (I'm an architect, is why I know this).

I figured it was something like that, but still, I would think it would be better planning to have the aisle go down the entire way and make it two sections.. they already have A & B sections in other spots. Granted you lose about 20 seats doing that, but it would look better and be more fan friendly.

[LetsGoMets687]

The reason for the aisle going part of the way down is because the building code limits the total number of seats you can have in a row. Because that section of seating is pie-shaped, there would have been too many seats across unless they added a mid-aisle at some point. Rather than bringing the aisle all the way down and eliminating more seats, they brought it as far down as they had to in order to meet code (I'm an architect, is why I know this).

Not only that, but practically every newer stadium and arena built has these kind of sections, so I'm kind of surprised everyone's so shocked. :noidea

[cinco64]

No....I think seats are to valuable to be omitted, and keep in mind the capacity of the stadium will be down already (I know there are more luxury boxes, but still - seats generate tons of revenue in terms of tickets and concessions), so I'm sure the mantra was: "get as many seats in the footprint as possible."

[Rob R]

Hi cinco. As an architect, what are your impressions of the new stadium?

[cinco64]

I don't know the pices of the ticket packages for this section, but losing a single seat probably costs the Yankees a ton of money in ticket and concession revenue (don't forget the playoffs either)...its easy for us to say: "fan friendly would look better," but the bottom line will always be the bottom line.....

[YankeeFanBx]

I still think it's bad planning, I'm sure that could be eliminated with a bit of architectural concentration.

[cinco64]

Check out my post Number 147 on page 6..... ;) When I spoke fairly highly of the new design before the building was built, many bloggers on this site ripped me, so its funny to see years later that despite the minor complaints here or there that the new Stadium is being fairly favorably received....I think the new Stadium will come much closer to the spirit and feel of the pre-1976 original Stadium than the remodeled Stadium ever did. That doesn't mean I think its perfect, but given the challenges and how they could have screwed it up, I think they did a terrific job, when all is said and done. And I will deeply miss the old ballpark too.

[Rob R]

Check out my post Number 147 on page 6..... ;) When I spoke fairly highly of the new design before the building was built, many bloggers on this site ripped me, so its funny to see years later that despite the minor complaints here or there that the new Stadium is being fairly favorably received....I think the new Stadium will come much closer to the spirit and feel of the pre-1976 original Stadium than the remodeled Stadium ever did. That doesn't mean I think its perfect, but given the challenges and how they could have screwed it up, I think they did a terrific job, when all is said and done. And I will deeply miss the old ballpark too.
I have to agree with your sentiments. Though not as finely detailed as the 1923 version, it certainly "recaptures" the spirt and feel (as you say) much closer than the renovated version.

It's nice to know you think highly of it considering your profession.

[Yankees12]

I still think it's bad planning, I'm sure that could be eliminated with a bit of architectural concentration.

I don't think it's too bad looking. It's in a prominent spot, but I think once you get people sitting there, it'll blend right in. It's something most new stadiums in every sport have.

[LetsGoMets687]

I think the new Stadium will come much closer to the spirit and feel of the pre-1976 original Stadium than the remodeled Stadium ever did.

I guess that depends on your interpretation of "spirit and feel".

[cinco64]

Did you ever go to the "original" Yankee Stadium - pre-1974?

[LetsGoMets687]

Answer me this--Besides the frieze and entrance gate, what about the stadium will evoke the spirit and feel of 1950s Yankee Stadium?

[cinco64]

Rob, times are different now and people build differently and for different reasons than they did 80 years ago. Is it as well crafted? No. Will I miss the huge cantilever of the Tier seating? A lot. Will I miss the closeness of the upper deck to the field? Certainly. But considering how important Yankee Stadium is to the world of sports, I think they did a pretty admirable job. It was an enormously challenging problem, and I'm betting that 30 years from now, 30 year olds will be talking about their reverence for the new ballpark the way 30 year olds today think the current stadium is a "cathedral." I remember the Stadium when it was literally a cathedral, and trust me the remodel cut a lot of the soul of the orginal ballpark out. They did a better job this time than last.

[cinco64]

I'll answer your post if you would kindly answer mine first - did you ever go to the original pre-1974 Yankee Stadium?

[cinco64]

Answer me this--Besides the frieze and entrance gate, what about the stadium will evoke the spirit and feel of 1950s Yankee Stadium?

...did you ever visit the original YS pre-1974?

[LetsGoMets687]

I'll answer your post if you would kindly answer mine first - did you ever go to the original pre-1974 Yankee Stadium?

No, and how is that even remotely relevant?

Is the "spirit and feel" of old Yankee Stadium going to be found in...

...the new shape of the playing field?

...the new design of the seating decks?

...the great hall?

...the new split upper deck?

...the stands not towering over the field anymore?

...the new symmetrical bleachers?

...the center field restaurant?

...the bleacher box seats in front of the bleachers?

...the monster HD scoreboard?

...the modern angles of the scoreboard wall and end stairs?

...the dark blue seat color?

...the hard rock cafe?

...the new marquee signage?

...the ribbon boards?

...the fact that this is not "The House that Ruth built" where Mantle, DiMaggio, Gehrig and Ruth played?

...the LF Yankee bullpen?

...the horizontal bullpen design?

...the extensive corporate seating?

[Rob R]

I guess that depends on your interpretation of "spirit and feel".
Here's my interpretation.

Say I grew up in a house and lived there for a good part of my life. Fifty years after it was built, the new owner decides to do a major renovation. Though 75% of the outside structure remains, they loped off the roof and entire second floor and did a complete redesign, more congruous to that era. Unfortunately, that era happened to be the often tacky, uninspiring 70's.

At the front of the house and doorway, which once had a classic, recognizable look and feel to it, they build a huge, concrete circular stairway, blocking and removing any trace of the original edifice for which it was known.

Inside, they tore down all the walls and flooring. What was once the basement, became the first floor. All the original, detail-rich, awe-inspiring artifact on the ceiling, which distinguished this house from others, was removed. In it's place was stucco and track lighting. Etc., etc.

After it's renovated, I return to this house with my own family, trying to recapture some of my youth and fond memories. Before I even step one foot inside the door, I realize that this will be near impossible. Stepping inside only confirms it. Yes, I believe this is the kitchen where mom stood, but wait, I'm in what was once the basement.

You get the picture.

Now let's say Universal Studios decides to do the story of my life. Using some old pictures, my memories and their know-how, they create a replica of the old house. I step inside it and wham, I'm taken back to my youth. No, the window wasn't exactly shaped like that, and no, I don't remember the foyer being as wide, but damn, strangely I feel like I'm at home and the memories start coming back.

[cinco64]

No, and how is that even remotely relevant?

Let's see:

- you're a Met fan on a Yankee blog
- you never saw the original Stadium but somehow you are an authority on it over people who spent many years going there....

oh, I don't know how that is relevant...

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, even if it is based on no experience whatsoever with the subject in question....you are no more qualified to compare the new Yankee Stadium to the original than anyone else who never saw it.

Instead of using this site to compare every single difference between the old and new ballparks (ex: "the foul pole is 2' shorter than it used to be" - who cares?), stop to consider what the new ballpark is, and what is happening. It really doesn't pay to opine about the original...the original was torn down 34 years ago.

I won't even discuss that dump in Queens...

[cinco64]

Here's my interpretation.

Say I grew up in a house and lived there for a good part of my life. Fifty years after it was built, the new owner decides to do a major renovation. Though 75% of the outside structure remains, they loped off the roof and entire second floor and did a complete redesign, more congruous to that era. Unfortunately, that era happened to be the often tacky, uninspiring 70's.

At the front of the house and doorway, which once had a classic, recognizable look and feel to it, they build a huge, concrete circular stairway, blocking and removing any trace of the original edifice for which it was known.

Inside, they tore down all the walls and flooring. What was once the basement, became the first floor. All the original, detail-rich, awe-inspiring artifact on the ceiling, which distinguished this house from others, was removed. In it's place was stucco and track lighting. Etc., etc.

After it's renovated, I return to this house with my own family, trying to recapture some of my youth and fond memories. Before I even step one foot inside the door, I realize that this will be near impossible. Stepping inside only confirms it. Yes, I believe this is the kitchen where mom stood, but wait, I'm in what was once the basement.

You get the picture.

Now let's say Universal Studios decides to do the story of my life. Using some old pictures, my memories and their know-how, they create a replica of the old house. I step inside it and wham, I'm taken back to my youth. No, the window wasn't exactly shaped like that, and no, I don't remember the foyer being as wide, but damn, strangely I feel like I'm at home and the memories start coming back.

An interesting take on the subject....and good points. Also please realize that there is great value in designing new structures with fresh eyes....whether you consider them "improved" or not is not always important. They will be different. But new ways of seeing and building can lead to satisying ends even though they are different.

[Shadly]

Let's see:

- you're a Met fan on a Yankee blog
- you never saw the original Stadium but somehow you are an authority on it over people who spent many years going there....

oh, I don't know how that is relevant...

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, even if it is based on no experience whatsoever with the subject in question....you are no more qualified to compare the new Yankee Stadium to the original than anyone else who never saw it.

Instead of using this site to compare every single difference between the old and new ballparks (ex: "the foul pole is 2' shorter than it used to be" - who cares?), stop to consider what the new ballpark is, and what is happening. It really doesn't pay to opine about the original...the original was torn down 34 years ago.

I won't even discuss that dump in Queens...

They did a good job of recapturing the original Ebbets field though. The Dodgers should feel right at home there when they visit.

[LetsGoMets687]

Let's see:

- you're a Met fan on a Yankee blog


Oh that makes ALLL the difference.:rolleyes:

[LetsGoMets687]

Let's see:

- you're a Met fan on a Yankee blog
- you never saw the original Stadium but somehow you are an authority on it over people who spent many years going there....

oh, I don't know how that is relevant...

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, even if it is based on no experience whatsoever with the subject in question....you are no more qualified to compare the new Yankee Stadium to the original than anyone else who never saw it.

Instead of using this site to compare every single difference between the old and new ballparks (ex: "the foul pole is 2' shorter than it used to be" - who cares?), stop to consider what the new ballpark is, and what is happening. It really doesn't pay to opine about the original...the original was torn down 34 years ago.

I won't even discuss that dump in Queens...

I answered you question, big shot, now where's my answer???????

What besides the frieze and gate even remotely evokes the "spirit and feel" of old Yankee Stadium better than the current Yankee Stadium????

Oh, and nice cheap shot about Shea being a dump, Donald. I didn't say ANYTHING disparaging about NYS or Yankee Stadium.

[cinco64]

They did a good job of recapturing the original Ebbets field though. The Dodgers should feel right at home there when they visit.

That is probably true...I suppose we'll know better when we visit. And you know there will be major differences....but that really isn't the issue. Does it evoke and inspire? Does it help reconnect you with the history of the game? Is it a fun place to visit? There is so much more to discuss than whether or not the outfield fence is 3' closer to home plate or not....

[Rob R]

LetsGoMets, despite the differences and NYS not an exact replica of the original, it has an aura about it - one of importance, and yes, the "frieze" that the renovated version was lacking.

Just the front of the stadium, with "Yankee Stadium" in gold, and the two eagles at its side, is reminiscent of the old stadium, if not in exact replication, then in importance.

It's quite possible that fans of other teams just can't feel it, or refuse to (not talking about you specifically).

[cinco64]

I answered you question, big shot, now where's my answer???????

What besides the frieze and gate even remotely evokes the "spirit and feel" of old Yankee Stadium better than Yankee Stadium????

You know nothing of the original spirit and feel of old Yankee Stadium - its like trying to speak French to someone who understands Spanish.....

[Shadly]

But new ways of seeing and building can lead to satisying ends even though they are different.

Cinco, you just summed up my argument in the "What is a cookie cutter stadium" thread. That was the point I was trying to make about the draw backs of Retro stadiums.

[Rob R]

cinco, please don't be discouraged in posting here. I see it's been a while. I, and I'm sure other Yankees fans, welcome you and appreciate your great contribution.

[LetsGoMets687]

You know nothing of the original spirit and feel of old Yankee Stadium - its like trying to speak French to someone who understands Spanish.....

You are a coward and liar.

You said you'd answer my question if I answered yours.

[cinco64]

Cinco, you just summed up my argument in the "What is a cookie cutter stadium" thread. That was the point I was trying to make about the draw backs of Retro stadiums.

I do think there are many oppurtunities to creat creat stadiums without being retro....google the Dallas Cowboys new Stadium sometime and check that out...its as anti-retro as you can be.

That being said, the history of baseball and the Yankees specifically can be a compelling argument as to why its important to at least make honoring gestures to the past. This doesn't mean you have to clone a ballpark, nor should you try. Its not intended to be a museum...its a new ballpark for the most storied franchise in baseball.

[LetsGoMets687]

LetsGoMets, despite the differences and NYS not an exact replica of the original, it has an aura about it - one of importance, and yes, the "frieze" that the renovated version was lacking.

Just the front of the stadium, with "Yankee Stadium" in gold, and the two eagles at its side, is reminiscent of the old stadium, if not in exact replication, then in importance.

It's quite possible that fans of other teams just can't feel it, or refuse to (not talking about you specifically).

You're cherry-picking two similarities and ignoring dozens of vast differences, while doing the opposite with the current stadium.

[cinco64]

[QUOTE=cinco64;1251743]I do think there are many oppurtunities to creat creat stadiums without being retro....google the Dallas Cowboys new Stadium sometime and check that out...its as anti-retro as you can be.QUOTE]

What I meant to say was: it is possible to create great satdiums without being retro....sorry for the typos.

[LetsGoMets687]

[QUOTE=cinco64;1251743]I do think there are many oppurtunities to creat creat stadiums without being retro....google the Dallas Cowboys new Stadium sometime and check that out...its as anti-retro as you can be.QUOTE]

What I meant to say was: it is possible to create great satdiums without being retro....sorry for the typos.

How about being a man of honor and answering my question?

Besides the frieze and gold letters, what else?

Stop being a coward.

[Rob R]

You're cherry-picking two similarities and ignoring dozens of vast differences, while doing the opposite with the current stadium.

I gave two examples of similarities and emphasized both because they are NOT exact replicas. Obviously you don't get the "spirit" and "feel" thing. Not that I expected you to...

[cinco64]

You're cherry-picking two similarities and ignoring dozens of vast differences, while doing the opposite with the current stadium.

Part of my point, LGM, is that the "vast differences" you refer to are really not relevant. The point in building the new ballpark was not to precisely replicate the original park. Its was to create a modern ballpark that responds to modern realities, yet evokes and recalls some of the essence of what transpired before. On that basis, the new YS will be successful based on what we're seeing so far. You could dissect the new design and do a 100 page thesis on the differences between the two ballparks....but its silly to do that. Of course they're different - get over it!

[Rob R]

[QUOTE=cinco64;1251748]

How about being a man of honor and answering my question?

Besides the frieze and gold letters, what else?

Stop being a coward.
Why the anger? Do you actually think that cinco is sitting there cowering? I'm not sure what you're looking for. Seems like he's answered your questions. Whether of not you're satisfied with them or allowed yourself to be taken there, is another story. Answers can't always be neat and tidy, always literal or always to your liking.

[YanksRule]

[QUOTE=cinco64;1251748]

How about being a man of honor and answering my question?

Besides the frieze and gold letters, what else?

Stop being a coward.

I've never been to the pre-renovated stadium either, but either way, spirit and feel is less about specifics and more about the feeling and emotions you have when you walk in because of the overall soul and surroundings a place has. It doesn't have to have exact commonalities to invoke this, but more of an aura around it. It's hard to describe and hence hard to answer your question.. it's just one of those things you just have to feel to understand.

And I could be completely wrong also as I've never been in the pre-renovated stadium either

[LetsGoMets687]

I gave two examples of similarities and emphasized both because they are NOT exact replicas. Obviously you don't get the "spirit" and "feel" thing. Not that I expected you to...

I simply said that spirit and feel were subjective, and that to say the frieze and gold letters in and of themselves does not trump everything the current stadium has linking it to Yankee Stadium.

This whole thing was in response to Mr. big shot architect saying that NYS will feel more like Yankee Stadium than the current stadium ever did just because of the replica frieze.

I say otherwise? I say it taakes more than a replica frieze to capture the spirit and feel of Yankee Stadium. Is that so bizarre? :noidea

[LetsGoMets687]

[QUOTE=LetsGoMets687;1251751]
Why the anger? Do you actually think that cinco is sitting there cowering? I'm not sure what you're looking for.

I asked him a question. He said he's answer it if I answered his. I did, and he welshed. That pisses me off.

Fair enough?

[Rob R]

I simply said that spirit and feel were subjective, and that to say the frieze and gold letters in and of themselves does not trump everything the current stadium has linking it to Yankee Stadium.

This whole thing was in response to Mr. big shot architect saying that NYS will feel more like Yankee Stadium than the current stadium ever did just because of the replica frieze.

I say otherwise? I say it taakes more than a replica frieze to capture the spirit and feel of Yankee Stadium. Is that so bizarre? :noidea

Not bizarre at all. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Regarding NYS, I'm just feeling what cinco is feeling and perhaps it's difficult for an outsider (fan of another team) to relate.

[cinco64]

My comments have been added after your originals.....



No, and how is that even remotely relevant?

Is the "spirit and feel" of old Yankee Stadium going to be found in...

...the new shape of the playing field? Irrelevant

...the new design of the seating decks? This is an important change that I am not happy about....the loss of the upper overhang and the closeness to the field...

...the great hall? A wonderful grand addition to a grand history

...the new split upper deck? Discussed above

...the stands not towering over the field anymore? Discussed above

...the new symmetrical bleachers? You are really reaching here...

...the center field restaurant? Get real...

...the bleacher box seats in front of the bleachers? so what?

...the monster HD scoreboard? Get real, part II

...the modern angles of the scoreboard wall and end stairs? Its a modern Stadium, Einstein....

...the dark blue seat color? I suppose Yankee Stadium is supposed to be entirely black and white, like the only way you ever saw the original YS (photos)

...the hard rock cafe? Irrelevant

...the new marquee signage? Very nicely done

...the ribbon boards? Irrelevant

...the fact that this is not "The House that Ruth built" where Mantle, DiMaggio, Gehrig and Ruth played? That debate was resolved 5 years ago....get over it - its done.

...the LF Yankee bullpen? come on...

...the horizontal bullpen design? you're wasting my time here....

...the extensive corporate seating? And we know the Mets aren't corporate...

You are totally missing the point, LGM....

[cinco64]

I simply said that spirit and feel were subjective, and that to say the frieze and gold letters in and of themselves does not trump everything the current stadium has linking it to Yankee Stadium.

This whole thing was in response to Mr. big shot architect saying that NYS will feel more like Yankee Stadium than the current stadium ever did just because of the replica frieze.

I say otherwise? I say it taakes more than a replica frieze to capture the spirit and feel of Yankee Stadium. Is that so bizarre? :noidea

I never said that just because of the the replica frieze the new YS would capture the spirit and feel of YS...if you can find that quote, be a man and show me.

[LetsGoMets687]

Part of my point, LGM, is that the "vast differences" you refer to are really not relevant. The point in building the new ballpark was not to precisely replicate the original park. Its was to create a modern ballpark that responds to modern realities, yet evokes and recalls some of the essence of what transpired before. On that basis, the new YS will be successful based on what we're seeing so far. You could dissect the new design and do a 100 page thesis on the differences between the two ballparks....but its silly to do that. Of course they're different - get over it!

Yes, Master Rob, I'll get over it.

But you're taking my argument and twisting it to suit yourself.

I never said I didn't like the new stadium. I never said it wouldn't evoke certain aspects of OYS.

I ONLY SAID that to say it will feel MORE like old Yankee Stadium when you walk through the tunnel (sorry, split upper deck) than walking into the current stadium is subjective.

Period.

[Rob R]

Not bizarre at all. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Regarding NYS, I'm just feeling what cinco is feeling and perhaps it's difficult for an outsider (fan of another team) to relate.
I'll try again. At the risk of sounding like the "typical" Yankees fan, the NYS has an aura about it that the original had and the renovated one lacked. No, it's far from an exact replica, but there is no mistaking which team will play in the stadium, even if you removed the word"Yankees" from the front of the building and took away the frieze.

Forget about the frieze and the eagles. The design of this stadium is nothing short of incredible; able to evoke what once was in a different, more modern style. Yet, there is no doubt that the similarities are there, if not in the total design, in feel and spirit.

[cinco64]

Yes, Master Rob, I'll get over it.

But you're taking my argument and twisting it to suit yourself.

I never said I didn't like the new stadium. I never said it wouldn't evoke certain aspects of OYS.

I ONLY SAID that to say it will feel MORE like old Yankee Stadium when you walk through the tunnel (sorry, split upper deck) than walking into the current stadium is subjective.

Period.

Now you're quoting the wrong guy on your posts....lay off the coffee and back to the meds!

[Rob R]

Yes, Master Rob, I'll get over it.



Huh??.......

[cinco64]

I'll try again. At the risk of sounding like the "typical" Yankees fan, the NYS has an aura about it that the original had and the renovated one lacked. No, it's far from an exact replica, but there is no mistaking which team will play in the stadium, even if you removed the word"Yankees" from the front of the building and took away the frieze.

Forget about the frieze and the eagles. The design of this stadium is nothing short of incredible; able to evoke what once was in a different, more modern style. Yet, there is no doubt that the similarities are there, if not in the total design, in feel and spirit.

Well said. There is no doubt which team will be playing there, based simply on "feel."

[LetsGoMets687]

I never said that just because of the the replica frieze the new YS would capture the spirit and feel of YS...if you can find that quote, be a man and show me.

Look, this is as simple as it gets--try to follow....

You said:

I think the new Stadium will come much closer to the spirit and feel of the pre-1976 original Stadium than the remodeled Stadium ever did.

I asked you what, besides the replica frieze, captures the spirit and feel of the inside of old Yankee Stadium...?

You still haven't answered the question.

What, besides the replica frieze, will evoke the powerful spirit and feel of the inside of old Yankee Stadium?

[cinco64]

I'll try again. At the risk of sounding like the "typical" Yankees fan, the NYS has an aura about it that the original had and the renovated one lacked. No, it's far from an exact replica, but there is no mistaking which team will play in the stadium, even if you removed the word"Yankees" from the front of the building and took away the frieze.

Forget about the frieze and the eagles. The design of this stadium is nothing short of incredible; able to evoke what once was in a different, more modern style. Yet, there is no doubt that the similarities are there, if not in the total design, in feel and spirit.

That is really about the best summation of why Yankee fans should be excited about the new ballpark from all the posts I've read. Thanks.

I guess I'll check in again in about a year....thanks for the comments everyone.

And LGM: based on your comments, you must NEVER visit the new Stadium. Please don't come - you are forbidden to enter. Do not support those corporate robber barons...head over to Shea, where they still have a soul....:rofl:

[LetsGoMets687]

I'll phrase it in another way:

If they removed the frieze from NYS, what, specifically would evoke the feel of old 1950s Yankee Stadium?

[LetsGoMets687]

That is really about the best summation of why Yankee fans should be excited about the new ballpark from all the posts I've read. Thanks.

I guess I'll check in again in about a year....thanks for the comments everyone.

And LGM: based on your comments, you must NEVER visit the new Stadium. Please don't come - you are forbidden to enter. Do not support those corporate robber barons...head over to Shea, where they still have a soul....:rofl:

So you're still unwilling or unable to answer my simple question?

[Coach Bombay]

I'll phrase it in another way:

If they removed the frieze from NYS, what, specifically would evoke the feel of old 1950s Yankee Stadium?

You're like a broken record.

[LetsGoMets687]

You're like a broken record.

Mr architect could lift the needle, but he keeps dodging the question. :shhh:

[Rob R]

That is really about the best summation of why Yankee fans should be excited about the new ballpark from all the posts I've read. Thanks.

I guess I'll check in again in about a year....thanks for the comments everyone.



Thanks, brother. I sure hope that it won't be another year before you post. You added a lot to this thread in your short visit.

See ya at the stadium, new and old!

[YanksRule]

Mr architect could lift the needle, but he keeps dodging the question. :shhh:

The thing is it's not about the specific things, and it is impossible to name anything specific about it. It is about the feel as a whole that makes it feel like the old stadium.. it's like when you look at a girl and you think she's cute or hot.. can you really name what specifically makes her that way? Not really, it's just as a whole she is. It's the same with the stadium... it's hard to name the specifics, but overall, the original Yankee Stadium feeling is just.. there.

[Rob R]

Mr architect could lift the needle, but he keeps dodging the question. :shhh:
Mets, he didn't evade or dodge your question. Methinks you should re-read the last couple of pages.

[donut726]

just looking at the pictures with layers of stands towering over you with the frieze surrounding the roof. when you go inside the new stadium, you can tell that you're playing at Yankee Stadium instead of some cookie-cutter retro park with same ol' green seats, brick walls and weird angled dimensions. i have personally seen the new stadium from the outside, and it looks even more impressive than what the pictures show. this stadium may not be the same stadium that Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle or DiMaggio once played in, but it will be a stadium where new history will grow in the next 100 years and new legends will be born.

[LetsGoMets687]

Mets, he didn't evade or dodge your question. Methinks you should re-read the last couple of pages.

He did dodge the question. Nothing in the last 10 pages says tangibly what evokes the inside of OYS besides the frieze.

Perhaps you can restate the answer you said I missed, or answer yourself.

:noidea

[yanksfan23]

cinco, I couldn't agree with you more overall. As a lifelong yankee fan who began visiting in the late 60's, the overall theme was that of grandeur and awe. The stadium is so iconic because when you walked in, it was like no other stadium you had ever been. Its mechanisms of doing such: the enormous upper deck, the freize, the height of the roof, the closeness of the fans. The renovation may have lost charm with the facade and the home plate entrance, but to be honest, when I took my son there the first time, he was in the same wondrous awe I was in 1966, and you'd be hardpressed to find a player or fan of the opposing team to say post-reno was any less intimidating than pre-reno. The new stadium, despite some minor qualms (bullpen placement, weird angles of grandstands, etc) I believe is successful in its creation of THAT atmosphere. Let's face it, architectural styles change, as do building materials. But the ULTIMATE goal of NYS was to create a building as awe-inspiring for 2009+ as OYS was 1923+, and I think they succeeded.

[Coach Bombay]

Part of my point, LGM, is that the "vast differences" you refer to are really not relevant. The point in building the new ballpark was not to precisely replicate the original park. Its was to create a modern ballpark that responds to modern realities, yet evokes and recalls some of the essence of what transpired before. On that basis, the new YS will be successful based on what we're seeing so far. You could dissect the new design and do a 100 page thesis on the differences between the two ballparks....but its silly to do that. Of course they're different - get over it!

He answered you're stupid question

[Rob R]

He did dodge the question. Nothing in the last 10 pages says tangibly what evokes the inside of OYS besides the frieze.

Perhaps you can restate the answer you said I missed, or answer yourself.

:noidea

First you'd have to understand what he meant by "feel" and "spirit." I do, and apparently, so do other Yanks fans. He stressed that in most of his posts, while acknowledging that NYS is not an exact replica. The frieze and Front of the Stadium were only brought up as examples of similarities, but in no way defined those similarities.

If you want me to answer in my own words, post #5924 explains it. I believe that cinco was saying the same thing in his own words.

Edit: See Bombay's above post for one of cinco's response to you as well.

[Rob R]

cinco, I couldn't agree with you more overall. As a lifelong yankee fan who began visiting in the late 60's, the overall theme was that of grandeur and awe. The stadium is so iconic because when you walked in, it was like no other stadium you had ever been. Its mechanisms of doing such: the enormous upper deck, the freize, the height of the roof, the closeness of the fans. The renovation may have lost charm with the facade and the home plate entrance, but to be honest, when I took my son there the first time, he was in the same wondrous awe I was in 1966, and you'd be hardpressed to find a player or fan of the opposing team to say post-reno was any less intimidating than pre-reno. The new stadium, despite some minor qualms (bullpen placement, weird angles of grandstands, etc) I believe is successful in its creation of THAT atmosphere. Let's face it, architectural styles change, as do building materials. But the ULTIMATE goal of NYS was to create a building as awe-inspiring for 2009+ as OYS was 1923+, and I think they succeeded.
Great post. Welcome aboard!

[Rob R]

The thing is it's not about the specific things, and it is impossible to name anything specific about it. It is about the feel as a whole that makes it feel like the old stadium.. it's like when you look at a girl and you think she's cute or hot.. can you really name what specifically makes her that way? Not really, it's just as a whole she is. It's the same with the stadium... it's hard to name the specifics, but overall, the original Yankee Stadium feeling is just.. there.
Precisely.

[yanksfan23]

too add on to my own comment and to elaborate further on another post far back in the thread...

the sharp angle of the main level and relatively small height gaps between the levels leads me to believe that with a 6 foot tall man sitting in the last few rows of each level, and with each level not as far recessed under one another (which bear in mind some view as a negative - ie. overhang of the upper deck), there is going to be the illusion of a WALL of people extending over 100 feet above the field...

[yanksfan23]

do people see what i mean??

[crosetti32]

No, what do you mean?

[GordonGecko]

too add on to my own comment and to elaborate further on another post far back in the thread...

the sharp angle of the main level and relatively small height gaps between the levels leads me to believe that with a 6 foot tall man sitting in the last few rows of each level, and with each level not as far recessed under one another (which bear in mind some view as a negative - ie. overhang of the upper deck), there is going to be the illusion of a WALL of people extending over 100 feet above the field...

Wow, 9 months to go and they already have security cameras installed. Forget about sneaking down to get better seats next year!

[yanksfan23]

No, what do you mean?

that with the sharp incline of the main level and very little vertical gap between each level, there won't be much "dead space" not filled with fans. My point is that hopefully, it will appear as though (from field level behind home plate) that there is a 'wall' of fans in the right and left field grand stands creating unparalleled intimidation

[jalbright]

The personal attacks ("coward", "liar", "back on the meds", just for example) will end or the perpetrators from this point forward may earn a several day vacation from the site. This site does not permit personal attacks.

[SparkyL]

I have been to the OYS and I seem to be in the minority that I still get the sense of history in the current one. Enough of the original structure is still there (for me anyway) for me to feel like I'm in the House that Ruth Built. I don't need the frieze or the poles or the 461' Death Valley. But that is just me.

While NYS adds SOME of the aesthetics from OYS is does not add them all (poles, wooden seats, outside facade on the back of the upper deck, Death Valley, bleachers and bullpens truely in their original configureation, scoreboard to one side)

Plus NYS may actually subtract from OYS more than it is adding back: HOK wedding cake seating configuration and not the Osborn stacking configuration, split and small UD, monster scoreboard wall, monuments not on the field, modernized frieze that is set further back from the field, entrance ways that don't have the balconies, etc.

So while each person can have their own feelings/opinions on CYS vs. NYS and which is closer to OYS, I do think that we won't really know for sure until we walk into NYS for the first time . . .I think that each of us will "know" within seconds how the new stadium feels. The we can have a true comparison CYS vs. NYS.

[LetsGoMets687]

First you'd have to understand what he meant by "feel" and "spirit." I do, and apparently, so do other Yanks fans. He stressed that in most of his posts, while acknowledging that NYS is not an exact replica. The frieze and Front of the Stadium were only brought up as examples of similarities, but in no way defined those similarities.

If you want me to answer in my own words, post #5924 explains it. I believe that cinco was saying the same thing in his own words.

Edit: See Bombay's above post for one of cinco's response to you as well.

All he did was say that it will, "evoke and recall some of the essence of what transpired before"...

Whatever that means. :noidea

It's obviously some intangible "aura", evident in what, besides the replica frieze, is seemingly beyond anyone's comprehension to elaborate on.

I'm trying to argue in reality and all I keep hearing is, aura and essence and feel...

I'm just trying to grasp what in the hell is evoking this "aura" in the tangible stadium structure itself.

:noidea

[GordonGecko]

that with the sharp incline of the main level and very little vertical gap between each level, there won't be much "dead space" not filled with fans. My point is that hopefully, it will appear as though (from field level behind home plate) that there is a 'wall' of fans in the right and left field grand stands creating unparalleled intimidation

There's no way opposing teams won't know where they are when they step onto the field. I think people were worried at first that the new setback design would make the place less intimidating, but it doesn't look like that's the case at all. Not to mention the colossol limestone exterior that only Stevie Wonder would miss driving up to the place.

[SparkyL]

cinco, I couldn't agree with you more overall. As a lifelong yankee fan who began visiting in the late 60's, the overall theme was that of grandeur and awe. The stadium is so iconic because when you walked in, it was like no other stadium you had ever been. Its mechanisms of doing such: the enormous upper deck, the freize, the height of the roof, the closeness of the fans. The renovation may have lost charm with the facade and the home plate entrance, but to be honest, when I took my son there the first time, he was in the same wondrous awe I was in 1966, and you'd be hardpressed to find a player or fan of the opposing team to say post-reno was any less intimidating than pre-reno. The new stadium, despite some minor qualms (bullpen placement, weird angles of grandstands, etc) I believe is successful in its creation of THAT atmosphere. Let's face it, architectural styles change, as do building materials. But the ULTIMATE goal of NYS was to create a building as awe-inspiring for 2009+ as OYS was 1923+, and I think they succeeded.

Many of the players at the ASG still were saying - "this place is special and very different than any other park. I am so honored to play where Ruth, etc played." They are still in awe of this version and they don't split hairs they way we do . .

. . I remember a comment that Chipper Jones made during the 1996 WS, "That Babe was some architect. There's nothing like this place in the National League"

I too think they created an awe-inspiring stadium - but will have to experience it to know for sure. I just hope that the team can live up to the stadium next year.

[yanksfan23]

[QUOTE=SparkyL;1251894]I have been to the OYS and I seem to be in the minority that I still get the sense of history in the current one. Enough of the original structure is still there (for me anyway) for me to feel like I'm in the House that Ruth Built. I don't need the frieze or the poles or the 461' Death Valley. But that is just me.

While NYS adds SOME of the aesthetics from OYS is does not add them all (poles, wooden seats, outside facade on the back of the upper deck, bleachers and bullpens truely in their original configureation, scoreboard to one side)

Two things, I couldn't agree with you more regarding paragraph 1...
Question though, how old are you? I am 49, my first trip to OYS was when I was 8, and by the mid60s the stadium was (to be honest) in disrepair. I can only imagine what it looked like in 1940, after it was remolded to its iconic shape.

For paragraph 2, obviously in this day and age it is almost ridiculous to think about putting in wooden seats or view obstructing poles, but I agree again, with the outside facade on the upper deck (could they still add that in a renovation?) and organizing the bleachers, bullpens, and scoreboard like the 50's and the outfield walls with pre 1983 dimensions, I honestly think we'd have the perfect stadium

*sorry for my frequent long winded remarks

[Jim Vaz]

Well lets be honest, no matter how the place looks and how intimidating it may look (place is going to look superb and will remain unique to that which is Yankee Stadium) it still boils down to the team on the field and the Yankee team that road team is playing.
There has not been an intimidating Yankees team in at least 5 or 6 years.

When you came into Yankee Stadium years past, besides the configuartion ofn the field, ANY building would have been intimidating when you faced the likes of Ruth, Gherig, Dimaggio, Mantle, Maris, Jackson, Guidry, Jeter, O'Neil, etc. Nowadays teams know they can come into NY and win, that aura is long gone, stadium playing a role or not.

[Gary Dunaier]

Despite the fact that I "know" better, and, in fact, created a thread right here at the Baseball Fever referring to the currently used Yankee Stadium as the "Post-Renovation" Stadium, emotionally I feel it's a new building. (Okay, a 32-year-old building.) Emotions are a very hard thing to change. Emotion is why a member of Red Sox Nation will go to his or her grave shouting "Yankees Suck!" even though, from a technical point, with 26 world championships, they clearly don't.

My point - and yes, I do have one - is that even though I feel the current building is a "new" stadium, the fact of the matter is that all of the Yankee greats, from Ruth to Gehrig to DiMaggio to Mantle to Jeter, all played on that particular piece of land located on the southwest corner of River Avenue and 161st Street. (I know, it's not exactly the same field, but you know what I mean...)

When the Yankees take the field on Opening Day 2009, they will be playing on the northwest corner of that same intersection. No doubt, in time that piece of land will be seen as sacred ground, but no matter what, neither Ruth nor Gehrig nor DiMaggio nor Mantle, or even Kevin Mmahat for that matter, ever played there.

(Kevin Mmahat: pitcher, 1989 New York Yankees. Lifetime stats: pitched 7.2 innings in four games with an 0-2 record, ERA 12.91.)

[GordonGecko]

Despite the fact that I "know" better, and, in fact, created a thread right here at the Baseball Fever referring to the currently used Yankee Stadium as the "Post-Renovation" Stadium, emotionally I feel it's a new building.

With all the retrospection flooding in on Yankee Stadium, there's a lot more articles out there about the old vs. new. Here's one I saw this week:


"I appreciate that this is the same spot where all those great Yankees played. But it is not the same Stadium. It is still a magical place on many nights -- the fans get so loud that the place actually shakes, and the concourses get so packed with passionate and (sometimes) inebriated fans that if you're not a New Yorker, you can actually get a little nervous.

If today's Stadium brings you back to an earlier era, it is not Ruth's day or DiMaggio's day or Mantle's day. It is Reggie Jackson's day, in the late '70s and '80s, when Times Square was seedy and the city was broke and nobody knew if it would ever come back."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080716/SPORTS02/807160421/1217/SPORTS

[shaneslatts]

You know nothing of the original spirit and feel of old Yankee Stadium - its like trying to speak French to someone who understands Spanish.....

I do...
I spent alot of time in Yankee Stadium in 1973....I watched Bobby Murcer and Craig Nettles and Thurman Muson play there, as well as Sparkey Lyle come in to save a game...riding in the Pinstriped Yankee Datsun bulpen car, while "pomp and circumstance" played on the organ...
I would leave my seat(I was 16 at the time) and explore the place...
The new Yankee Stadium, judging from the pictures I've seen does justice to the old place...The Yankees COULD, mind you, have just gone a whole other route, and built a stadium somewhere in jersey, or stayed in the bronx and built something that was generic, but they didnt.
The new place tips its hat and bows down to the old place:bowdown:
Is it the same? no...But to me at least, it "feels right" and I loved yankee stadium...
And by the way, I still hope that part of the old place can be preserved, but if not, then the kid inside of me will say goodbye to the old girl :cry: and at least be thankful that the Yankees will play in a place that, when an opposing player is there, or its on TV will leave no doubt that they are playing the Bronx Bombers, THE New York Yankees, in Yankee Stadium:bowdown:

[shaneslatts]

that with the sharp incline of the main level and very little vertical gap between each level, there won't be much "dead space" not filled with fans. My point is that hopefully, it will appear as though (from field level behind home plate) that there is a 'wall' of fans in the right and left field grand stands creating unparalleled intimidation

I see what you mean......It will appear or give the illusion that the fans are on top of you...great point:highfive:

[YankeeDean]

All these points are relevant and interesting because all of you have unique perpectives on the place. And because it is a remarkable place. I am lucky enough to have gone to alot of games in the old stadium. Its was magnificent. I was 9 years old in 1969 for my first game and it took my breath away. the vast green space space 457 feet to left center, 461 to center, 407 to the power alley in right! almost as deep as dead center today. Then I looked up and saw the facade (o.k. the frieze). I was only vaguely aware of that thing as a nine year old watching on a black and white tv. It was beautiful. THAT is what made it the cathedral of baseball. THAT is what is special about the new stadium. It WAS the soul of the original stadium, and now its back. Numerous new ballparks have something that evokes it but no architect has DARED to try to replicate it outside the Bronx. That says alot. Yes, it would have been better if it were as detailed as the original, but the point has been well made that we can't expect a perfect replica of a 1923 feel in 2008. That is my response to all the criticisms of the new design. The Steinbrenners are building a modern stadium. Its gonna be different. Congratulations are in order for the exterior walls of the new stadium: they are magnificent. They far outshine the old one, the clumsy 1976 job and the 1923 original, whose concrete began to crumble immediately ( the concrete formula was one of Edison's more unfortunate inventions).
And there is one more thing that was preserved by the 1976 renovation. (By the way architect perry green hit a grand slam in his 1962 Dodger stadium design, struck out with shea in 1964, but then really homered with the 1976 renovation, because he preserved what he could in a renovation with a limited budget. His design found a place for the frieze on the scoreboard but his triumph was to preserve the terrific sweep of the three decks from left to right, the sea of blue seats when its empty, the wave of screaming fans when its full. That too is preserved in the new stadium. and Im one of those who was VERY concerned about the way it looked in the first renderings and VERY pleased with the final product. As I have written, I dont like that they refer to it as a 2 level stadium --it was the first triple decked stadium in America and the new one is still tripled decked: lucky or holy number 3. Thank you HOK also for making it more canilevered than I thought at first, with 5, 6 or 7 row overhangs so that the upper deck is not as far awasy as I feared it would be. Yes, its a great design after all. Finally I love the renovated stadium as much as the original because the Yankees really sucked 1969-73 (though God bless Bobby Murcer) and because truly amazing games were played post 76. I was there for some: The Abbott no-hitter, the Aaron Boone game (where I saw Bosox fans start to shudder in the 6th inning and actually cry in the ninth, and many playoff homers by Bernie that made the upper SHAKE in a terrifying way which is my response to those who say "why did they have to build a new stadium?" Pardon the long post.

[YankeeFanBx]

Shaneslatts and YankeeDean, I sure like what you said and how you said it!
Thanks guys:highfive:

[curb my enthusiasm]

Why are there so many people who want "Death Valley" back? We're never going to see dimensions like this in modern baseball. It's not going to happen because owners would never be able to sign a great power hitter. 461 to left-center at 457 to center just sound absurd to me.

Sure, maybe it worked in old-time baseball. But nowadays it's home runs that sell seats to the ballpark. People just aren't interested in the sacrifice bunt and hit-and-run. That's why on All Star weekend we have a Home Run Derby and not a Suicide Squeeze Derby.

[jC...]

Suicide Squeeze Derby.

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bowdown::bowdown::eek::eek:

[Mike Wagner]

From what I see of the new Yankee Stadium photos, it looks beautiful, and very fitting of the New York Yankees. Although the plans are all drawn, I do wish the Yankees and HOK would have made the outfield wall resemble the wall of old Stadium, although not as deep. It's those idiosynchrasies that make Yankee Stadium Yankee Stadium.
Everyone knows Yankee Stadium instantly when they see the frieze, and they also immediately recognize the outfield wall.

-Mike Wagner

[monkeypants]

Why are there so many people who want "Death Valley" back? We're never going to see dimensions like this in modern baseball. It's not going to happen because owners would never be able to sign a great power hitter. 461 to left-center at 457 to center just sound absurd to me.

Sure, maybe it worked in old-time baseball. But nowadays it's home runs that sell seats to the ballpark. People just aren't interested in the sacrifice bunt and hit-and-run. That's why on All Star weekend we have a Home Run Derby and not a Suicide Squeeze Derby.

Of course not 460', but what about tinkering a bit? If they pulled in the corners a tad (say 310' down the lines) but bulged out CF to 410' and LCF to 402', would the extra few feet really dissuade sluggers from signing, especially for the big bucks?

After all, Dave Winfield signed a 10 year contract with the Yankees at a time when LCF was 430'. I'm pretty certain that a *slight* nod in the direction of the old death valley would not be a problem at all.

[monkeypants]

I stole the main graphic from Andre Clem's page--so all credit goes to him. Anyway, the black outline is the current outfield wall (based on Clem's drawing). The red line is the NYS outfield wall, again according to Clem's estimation/drawing.

My proposed wall is in blue--the fences would be slightly more cozy in RF (more like the OYS) and closer down the LF line. It would flair our *slight;y* deeper in LF, at most 3 to 5 feet or so--about 403' to deepest LCF and 408 to 410 to dead CF.

All other things being equal, this would play pretty much the same as the current stadium, and it might even play as a somewhat better hitter's park, at least to RF. Also, with dimensions something like 310 LF, 375 LF1, 403 LF2, 410 CF, 385 RF2, 350 RF1, 310 RF, it would seem closer to the old stadium's unique configuration.

[CMart]

Not sure if this has been mentioned in the past few pages, but when I went to this Newsday.com page re: the Mets and the ASG in 2013, they had a little video off to the right side that, when you click on it, gives a nice aerial view of both old and new stadiums taken this week.

Thought it might be a good thing for all of us to look at and comment on.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spbud165765161jul16,0,2685856.story

[LetsGoMets687]

My comment is: Blimps rock.

[Kentucky Bomber]

Not sure if this has been mentioned in the past few pages, but when I went to this Newsday.com page re: the Mets and the ASG in 2013, they had a little video off to the right side that, when you click on it, gives a nice aerial view of both old and new stadiums taken this week.

Thought it might be a good thing for all of us to look at and comment on.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spbud165765161jul16,0,2685856.story

1. In my next life I want to be a blimp pilot. Talk about dream job.

2. I know that at the Cell they were, and still might be, selling a poster in their gift shop of the ballparks side by side before Old Comiskey was demolished. A similar one of the YS's would be a beauty.

[florida_yankee_fan]

Found some nice shots on slidingintohome. Thanks to Greg Cohen for finding these and posting them on his page.(notice the Dunkin' Donuts plug on the cup holders.)

[florida_yankee_fan]

View from the opposing teams dugout:

[NYBase]

Leg room comparison. Bad comparison I know. Haha.

But there's definitely more.

[applenut]

All he did was say that it will, "evoke and recall some of the essence of what transpired before"...

Whatever that means. :noidea

It's obviously some intangible "aura", evident in what, besides the replica frieze, is seemingly beyond anyone's comprehension to elaborate on.

I'm trying to argue in reality and all I keep hearing is, aura and essence and feel...

I'm just trying to grasp what in the hell is evoking this "aura" in the tangible stadium structure itself.

:noidea

I think you can't understand because not only does CitiField not exhibit any of those qualities, but Shea never did either.

[Rob R]

View from the opposing teams dugout:
Holy crap this is one awesome stadium!

[Ralf]

Thats a pretty good idea by the Yankees to put those plaques, warming people about bats and balls coming into the stands, on the back of the seats.

[dabigyankeeman]

No, not cup holders. Those seemingly useful cup holders in actuality make it a torture chamber for anybody with long legs, big legs, or any big guy. We have them here in Dolphins Stadium, and they dig into the sides of my knees, its horrible. Yes, i am a big guy, but there are plenty of big guys. There have been games that i left early because i couldnt take the cup holders digging into my knees or shins (depending on where you sit and the height of the difference from one row to the next) anymore, and i always buy seats in the club seat area where the seats are 2" wider than the rest of the stadium. You couldnt pay me to sit in the non-club seats due to the cup holders. Are those pictures for real, is the new stadium going to have cup holders everywhere? I come to NY frequently and always go to games, this would be a real downer for me.

[ben10027]

No, not cup holders. Those seemingly useful cup holders in actuality make it a torture chamber for anybody with long legs, big legs, or any big guy. We have them here in Dolphins Stadium, and they dig into the sides of my knees, its horrible. Yes, i am a big guy, but there are plenty of big guys. There have been games that i left early because i couldnt take the cup holders digging into my knees or shins (depending on where you sit and the height of the difference from one row to the next) anymore, and i always buy seats in the club seat area where the seats are 2" wider than the rest of the stadium. You couldnt pay me to sit in the non-club seats due to the cup holders. Are those pictures for real, is the new stadium going to have cup holders everywhere? I come to NY frequently and always go to games, this would be a real downer for me.

But im sure that the legroom is a lot more than dolphins stadium, so ur knees wont even touch the cup holders.

[seeknay22]

No, not cup holders. Those seemingly useful cup holders in actuality make it a torture chamber for anybody with long legs, big legs, or any big guy. We have them here in Dolphins Stadium, and they dig into the sides of my knees, its horrible. Yes, i am a big guy, but there are plenty of big guys. There have been games that i left early because i couldnt take the cup holders digging into my knees or shins (depending on where you sit and the height of the difference from one row to the next) anymore, and i always buy seats in the club seat area where the seats are 2" wider than the rest of the stadium. You couldnt pay me to sit in the non-club seats due to the cup holders. Are those pictures for real, is the new stadium going to have cup holders everywhere? I come to NY frequently and always go to games, this would be a real downer for me.


hey, it's not the yankees fault your a freak of nature. :rofl: I'd rather have some place to put my cup. The days of putting your sodas on the floor and tripping over them are over. :bowdown:

[Kentucky Bomber]

Another New Yankee Stadium first...the cupholders come with cups already in them!



Seriously, while I'm hardly a big guy, I haven't had much problem in stadiums that feature cup holders and I see it as a real convenience that overcomes any problem. Unless you are a REALLY BIG GUY.

[NYFan1stYankFan2nd]

Another New Yankee Stadium first...the cupholders come with cups already in them!



Seriously, while I'm hardly a big guy, I haven't had much problem in stadiums that feature cup holders and I see it as a real convenience that overcomes any problem. Unless you are a REALLY BIG GUY.

Heck - lawnmowers(walk & push, stand on, and sit-on) are all now available with cupholders, so why not a ballpark! :D

Amusement parks are thinking of putting them on slower rides(Ferriswheels & enclosed-type cable cars).

Soon, the cup-holder will become more ubiquitous than the remote control.

[LetsGoMets687]

Soon, the cup-holder will become more ubiquitous than the remote control.

I keep bugging the pastor at my church to install them in the pews. Give me a place for my can of beer.

[YankeeFanBx]

Why on earth doesn't the damn blimp show a few shots of NYS?
They must be told NOT to take shots of it for some reason.
It's nutts! :eek:

[marlins739]

The cupholders at Dolphin Stadium are pretty annoying. I'm a big guy with long legs too, and what I usually do is put my feet over the seat in front of me, since there's usually plenty of seats available for that. The legroom there really does suck, but since you can nearly always find extra seats to take up, it's not a problem. With more legroom, cupholders are nice to have.

Interesting choice of seats here. Most of the other new parks have the ones with slits in the back so they look like old-style wooden slat seats from far away. These have solid backrests like the ones at the Coliseum. Those were pretty comfy

[joeybigblue]

Is anybody else worried about the dimensions of NYS???





That 371 gap in RF scares me. Plus the short porch, really scares me into thinking the park my play into a banbox

[LetsGoMets687]

Is anybody else worried about the dimensions of NYS???





That 371 gap in RF scares me. Plus the short porch, really scares me into thinking the park my play into a banbox

If the 371 ft. scares you, you should realize that's way out by the start of the bullpen, and that the actual RF power alley is about 360 ft.

The 385 ft. mark, if the Yankees dare to place its truthful location, will be in the middle of the visitors' bullpen--Waaaaaaaaaaaay out towards center field--which is hardly anyone's idea of where the power alley is.

[monkeypants]

This discussion has come up again and again on this thread. I think the fears that NYS will suddenly play like a bandbox are somewhat exaggerated. If Andrew Clem's diagrams are more or less accurate, the differences in RF will be mostly small. See the graphic below, with the current dimensions in black (based on Clem's drawings) and the NYS dimensions in red.

[mrow1927]

If the 371 ft. scares you, you should realize that's way out by the start of the bullpen, and that the actual RF power alley is about 360 ft.

The 385 ft. mark, if the Yankees dare to place its truthful location, will be in the middle of the visitors' bullpen--Waaaaaaaaaaaay out towards center field--which is hardly anyone's idea of where the power alley is.

The dimensions link on Andrew Clem's website are basically spot on. The actual dimensions are basically the same as the blueprint. In that case YS is smaller than we thought and this quite disturbing. NYS is going to be the same. Not good. Not good at all.

[monkeypants]

The dimensions link on Andrew Clem's website are basically spot on. The actual dimensions are basically the same as the blueprint. In that case YS is smaller than we thought and this quite disturbing. NYS is going to be the same. Not good. Not good at all.

Why is it disturbing that the current YS is smaller than we thought? Who cares what we think? It has played as a more or less neutral stadium (or slight pitchers' park) for years, whether we think that it is 385' or 375' to the "true" power alley.

As for the new stadium, the somewhat shorter distance to some parts of the RF fence MAY make it play more as a hitters' park, but the shape of the stands and the scoreboard, and the directional winds that they may create, could have a bigger impact. Consider PacBell Stadium: everyone thought that it would be a hitter's park but it turned out to play as a distinct pitchers' park.

With NYS, we just won't know until a few seasons worth of data have been collected. There is no reason to be "disturbed."

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On a side note, the somewhat shorter distance to RF means that the NYS will be more asymmetrical than the current YS dimensions...

[curb my enthusiasm]

Why on earth doesn't the damn blimp show a few shots of NYS?
They must be told NOT to take shots of it for some reason.
It's nutts! :eek:

This past weekend on YES, there were some amazing blimp HD shots of both the current stadium and the new stadium.

[bronxbombers2]

This is a great view to show how much closer the seats really are to the field. The cones are supposed to be relatively close to where the bases will be. (might help you picture it a little better)

[Coach Bombay]

[Kentucky Bomber]

That is one high mound.

[florida_yankee_fan]

I guess all this......fertilizer is in preparation for when they lay the sod in? Photo uploaded by "bajapuntos" @ http://flickr.com/photos/bajapuntos/2685331273/

[curb my enthusiasm]

This is a great view to show how much closer the seats really are to the field. The cones are supposed to be relatively close to where the bases will be. (might help you picture it a little better)


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[Coach Bombay]

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[shaneslatts]

View from the opposing teams dugout:

GREAT CEASERS GHOST!!!! :reporter: :radio

[baseballman1243]

Here is one of those blimp shots:

[YankeeDean]

This discussion has come up again and again on this thread. I think the fears that NYS will suddenly play like a bandbox are somewhat exaggerated. If Andrew Clem's diagrams are more or less accurate, the differences in RF will be mostly small. See the graphic below, with the current dimensions in black (based on Clem's drawings) and the NYS dimensions in red.

Yes, we have to wait to see how its plays out, how the winds work, etc. But from the diagram it looks like NYS will be almost 20 feet shorter to where the fence bends and about 10' shorter to the end of the grandstand that is now 353' (it may really be less by the way--I think they moved home plate up when they eliminated death valley--so NYS at the end of teh grandstand may be the same as RYS). anyway, I hope most of Cashman's young arms are sinkerballers because NYS right field is pretty close to Fenway Park's left field without a 37 foot high fence.

[TinoM24]

Are the fences the same heights?

[LetsGoMets687]

Are the fences the same heights?

No, they'll be shorter in the RF and LF corners. It's 10 ft now in the current RF corner, and gradually slopes shorter until it's 8 ft in the alleys. In the New stadium they'll be 8 ft in the corners too.

[monkeypants]

Yes, we have to wait to see how its plays out, how the winds work, etc. But from the diagram it looks like NYS will be almost 20 feet shorter to where the fence bends and about 10' shorter to the end of the grandstand that is now 353' (it may really be less by the way--I think they moved home plate up when they eliminated death valley--so NYS at the end of teh grandstand may be the same as RYS). anyway, I hope most of Cashman's young arms are sinkerballers because NYS right field is pretty close to Fenway Park's left field without a 37 foot high fence.

The distance to the end of the grandstand is still about 353'; it was only 344' before the renovations. Since 1976 the LF fences have been brought in (430' to 411' to 399'), but RF has remained the same, except for the corner--which is now deeper (310' in 1976 to 314' now).

There is also no way that the fence in NYS (according to the daigram) is as much as 20' shorter.

moreover, I have been looking at this a good deal, and I am not convinced that the NYS fences will be closer to the current dimensions than we think. Here is another graphic that I made, which superimposes the NYS diagram from Clem's page on to of the Google Earth image of YAnkee Stadium. I have outlined the current fences in black and the NYS fences (according to Clem) in red. There is probably some distortion on the Google Earth image, and it's hard to see the RF corner with the shadows, but the more you look at it, the closer the configuration looks.

Maybe there will be a few feet different here and there, but I just don't think the two parks will play much differently.

[SparkyL]

The distance to the end of the grandstand is still about 353'; it was only 344' before the renovations. Since 1976 the LF fences have been brought in (430' to 411' to 399'), but RF has remained the same, except for the corner--which is now deeper (310' in 1976 to 314' now).

There is also no way that the fence in NYS (according to the daigram) is as much as 20' shorter.

moreover, I have been looking at this a good deal, and I am not convinced that the NYS fences will be closer to the current dimensions than we think. Here is another graphic that I made, which superimposes the NYS diagram from Clem's page on to of the Google Earth image of YAnkee Stadium. I have outlined the current fences in black and the NYS fences (according to Clem) in red. There is probably some distortion on the Google Earth image, and it's hard to see the RF corner with the shadows, but the more you look at it, the closer the configuration looks.

Maybe there will be a few feet different here and there, but I just don't think the two parks will play much differently.

While Andrew's diagram's are excellent, they are his estimations, and overlaying his NYS on actual aerial views of CYS maybe very misleading.

If the RF power alley is in fact 20' closer, that's a lot - diagram or no diagram.

[monkeypants]

While Andrew's diagram's are excellent, they are his estimations, and overlaying his NYS on actual aerial views of CYS maybe very misleading.

If the RF power alley is in fact 20' closer, that's a lot - diagram or no diagram.

It WOULD be a lot. I don't think that it is. But if the aerial view is inaccurate and the diagrams are inaccurate, I guess we'll never know. We can't even use the photos of the blueprints/plans floating around this site--I measured the different points on the plan (408', 371', 314') and they are not exactly in scale relative to each other.

[monkeypants]

While Andrew's diagram's are excellent, they are his estimations, and overlaying his NYS on actual aerial views of CYS maybe very misleading.

If the RF power alley is in fact 20' closer, that's a lot - diagram or no diagram.

How about this--overlaying the blueprint/plan of NYS on the aerial photo (Google Earth) of current YS. Obviosuly there is a little bit of distortion in the photo, and my tracing is probably not as exact as it could be...but you get a pretty good idea.

[Ralf]

Have the Yankees built in any space in the OF just in case it plays like a bandbox?

[monkeypants]

Have the Yankees built in any space in the OF just in case it plays like a bandbox?

No.

Given that they have only brought the fences in since 1976, I would be surprised if they changed the dimensions even if it did play as a hitter's park.

[locke40]

Have the Yankees built in any space in the OF just in case it plays like a bandbox?

I think maybe you forgot. The Yankees passed on Santana.

[ben10027]

How about this--overlaying the blueprint/plan of NYS on the aerial photo (Google Earth) of current YS. Obviosuly there is a little bit of distortion in the photo, and my tracing is probably not as exact as it could be...but you get a pretty good idea.

Just accept it, the dimensions are exactly the same as the current Yankee Stadium. Maybe there are a few little differences, but mostly they are the same.