CF next year?

[1927Marlins]

Whos gonna be the Marlins CF next year?
My hope is Juan Pierre, but I'm not sure....

CF- Juan Pierre
SS- Hanley Ramirez
2B- Dan Uggla
3B- Miguel Cabrera
1B- Mike Jacobs
LF- Josh Willingham
RF- Jeremy Hermidia
C- Miguel Olivo
P- Dontrell Willis

[cubaxpos]

Whos gonna be the Marlins CF next year?
My hope is Juan Pierre, but I'm not sure....

CF- Juan Pierre
SS- Hanley Ramirez
2B- Dan Uggla
3B- Miguel Cabrera
1B- Mike Jacobs
LF- Josh Willingham
RF- Jeremy Hermidia
C- Miguel Olivo
P- Dontrell Willis

I would rather have Joe Borchard than Jeremy Hermida.
Hanley is cool at first, we need a Torii Hunter (of course it's not going to be him) type of CF. I wouldn't mess with the lineup a whole lot:
SS- Hanley
2B-Uggla
3B-Cabby
CF-Soriano/somebody who can provide some pop
LF-Willingham
1B-Jacobs/Wes Helms (great addition, thank God for Beinfest)
RF-Borchard/Cody/Hermida (definitely Cody agains right-handers)
C-Olivo/Treanor
P-D-Train
P-Anibal Sanchez
P-J.J.
P-Olsen
P-Nolasco

RP-Tank
RP-JoBo
RP-Mitre
RP-Jose Garcia
RP-Resop
RP-A Closer please

[EvanAparra]

I would rather have Joe Borchard than Jeremy Hermida.
Hanley is cool at first, we need a Torii Hunter (of course it's not going to be him) type of CF. I wouldn't mess with the lineup a whole lot:
SS- Hanley
2B-Uggla
3B-Cabby
CF-Soriano/somebody who can provide some pop
LF-Willingham
1B-Jacobs/Wes Helms (great addition, thank God for Beinfest)
RF-Borchard/Cody/Hermida (definitely Cody agains right-handers)
C-Olivo/Treanor
P-D-Train
P-Anibal Sanchez
P-J.J.
P-Olsen
P-Nolasco

RP-Tank
RP-JoBo
RP-Mitre
RP-Jose Garcia
RP-Resop
RP-A Closer please


Hermida is one of the top prospects in the game, wouldnt be smart to start Borchard over him.

What happened to Abercrombie?

[TheKingofKings]

Definetly not a high-paid FA but a Young , talented and not fully evolved phenom would be good , or you could even convert Cody Ross to CF or even keep Alfredo Amezaga .

[cubaxpos]

Hermida is one of the top prospects in the game, wouldnt be smart to start Borchard over him.

What happened to Abercrombie?

Yeah, he's one of the top prospects in the game but he was lame in the short period of time he was ran out to the field. To start off, 9 or 10 errors for a RF is God awful, and then he hit 6 homers with 20 something RBI's, hitting second, fifth and sixth in a good lineup. After he went down with his second injury the team got better. I am not ruling him out but I would like for Borchard to get a chance, he can play good D and can swing it with the best from the left side.
Abrecrombie is young but is awful on the field and strikesout a lot. I would love for him to be the answer at CF but I don't think he's the answer.

[cubaxpos]

Definetly not a high-paid FA but a Young , talented and not fully evolved phenom would be good , or you could even convert Cody Ross to CF or even keep Alfredo Amezaga .

Well, Torii Hunter would look great in black and teal but like you said we will have a better chance to get a young prospect to roam center field at the Pro. It wouldn't be crazy to give Amezaga or Cody Ross a chance. As a matter of fact I happen to like Amezaga a whole lot.

[EvanAparra]

Torri Hunter = not a chance. No way they spend the $$$ for him.

[cubaxpos]

Torri Hunter = not a chance. No way they spend the $$$ for him.
Agree, but a wifhful thought never hurt:laugh

[moebarguy]

maybe Mike Cameron?

[cubaxpos]

maybe Mike Cameron?

I don't think it would be a good fit. Plus, he makes a lot of money

[moebarguy]

I don't think it would be a good fit. Plus, he makes a lot of money

He would cost around $5 million. Great defense, good offense, seasoned veteran (but still young) - seems like a good fit.

[cubaxpos]

He would cost around $5 million. Great defense, good offense, seasoned veteran (but still young) - seems like a good fit.

He can sure play some great D and hit a few out, but I don't know. These guys down here want youth and inexpensive players, I don't know if they can afford 5 million in Cameron. I personally wouldn't mind having him, even though I think the Marlins might want to do a bald move by signing Sori or somehow pull a trade for Hunter.
Thinking of it twice, Cameron wouldn't be bad either.

[EvanAparra]

5 million = over 1/3 of Florida's payroll

[moebarguy]

5 million = over 1/3 of Florida's payroll

Well, it was in the case that there were going to spend a little money...

[Solair Wright]

One day, there will be a young, talented, 5-tool player that can play CF and in the farm system of the Marlins. That should be the answer to the Marlins' CF problem. If I were them, I would move Amezega to CF, and have Uggla at 2B and Hanley Ramirez at short. I know Hanley's fielding isn't great yet, then again, he's young and Shortstop is the hardest position to field. A healthy and productive Jeremy Hermida could make the Marlins contenders, leaving Borchard the odd man out.

[Solair Wright]

Yeah, he's one of the top prospects in the game but he was lame in the short period of time he was ran out to the field. To start off, 9 or 10 errors for a RF is God awful, and then he hit 6 homers with 20 something RBI's, hitting second, fifth and sixth in a good lineup. After he went down with his second injury the team got better. I am not ruling him out but I would like for Borchard to get a chance, he can play good D and can swing it with the best from the left side.
Abrecrombie is young but is awful on the field and strikesout a lot. I would love for him to be the answer at CF but I don't think he's the answer.

Not to double post, but George Bell, former Blue Jay, also had trouble fielding in the outfield too, and ultimately led to Jimy Williams' firing because Williams refused to move Bell from right field to DH. Of course, Bell's defense was horrible, and he was out of baseball by the end of 1993. I hope that Hermida improves on defense, or else he may fall that same fate.

[cubaxpos]

Not to double post, but George Bell, former Blue Jay, also had trouble fielding in the outfield too, and ultimately led to Jimy Williams' firing because Williams refused to move Bell from right field to DH. Of course, Bell's defense was horrible, and he was out of baseball by the end of 1993. I hope that Hermida improves on defense, or else he may fall that same fate.
Is too early to tell but I think Hermida better start hitting because is going to be over for him pretty soon.
I agree with you in the Alfredo Amezaga deal, but I would still try to address the situation via a trade or free agency.
Note: I don't dislike neither Cody Ross or Joe Borchard. I think that the latter given 500 plus AB can put up decent numbers.

[cubaxpos]

I read that the Devil Rays will be dangling Crawford or Baldelli for pitching. Any of those two would be a perfect fit for the Fish. Also, we have enough pitching so they can pick whoever they want. I wouldn't mind giving them any of these three: J.J., Olsen or Nolasco. If we're giving them Anibal Sanchez or the D. Train, they have to give us something else than Crawford or Baldelli.

[1927Marlins]

1. Juan Pierre - My choice, he would be great, imagine him and Hanley, between those 2 thats like 80 stolen bases, plus he's already been here, and his hard working mentality, would offer up some good team chemistry, plus he's just fun to watch.
2.Cody Ross- Cody's been a streaky hitter, and off the bech hes' been very good, so its uncertain if he could play 162 games, but not a bad choice
3. Alfredo Amezega- I'd like Amezega on the bench, just because he's a poor man's Chone Figgins, and like Ross, he's been a bit streaky.
4. Sammy Sosa- Yeah, I know... not a CF, old, and a has-been, but consider this a. He's interested in joing the team, again. b. He's probably gonna a go for the veteran's minimum c. He's at best a .250 10 HR guy, But consider this big reason why the Marlins should consider... ticket sales!... I mean let's face this will attract those fans that don't really follow baseball, and even if its short term, he could become a factor when attendance records are released and the Marlins aren't dead last. But I know this is a crazy proposition, so don't bring that up.
5. Joe Borchard- Keep in mind, he's numbers, that look pretty good, have mostly come on as a pinch-hitter, how would he do a an everyday player?
6.Reggie Abercrombie- Wow, extremely atheletic, rocket arm, very strong and very fast, but he's making way to many mental errors to play everyday, I'd like to see him in Triple AAA next year...the key word:POTENTIAL
7.Willy Tavares- Cheap, he's getting payed only 400,000 in Houston right now, thats all the Marlins need to know to be at least interested... He's also a .290, 5 HR, 35 SB guy and a fairly good defensivly, not a bad choice.
Other names, i might add another day: Tike Redman, Rocco Baldeli,

[EvanAparra]

1. Juan Pierre - My choice, he would be great, imagine him and Hanley, between those 2 thats like 80 stolen bases, plus he's already been here, and his hard working mentality, would offer up some good team chemistry, plus he's just fun to watch.
2.Cody Ross- Cody's been a streaky hitter, and off the bech hes' been very good, so its uncertain if he could play 162 games, but not a bad choice
3. Alfredo Amezega- I'd like Amezega on the bench, just because he's a poor man's Chone Figgins, and like Ross, he's been a bit streaky.
4. Sammy Sosa- Yeah, I know... not a CF, old, and a has-been, but consider this a. He's interested in joing the team, again. b. He's probably gonna a go for the veteran's minimum c. He's at best a .250 10 HR guy, But consider this big reason why the Marlins should consider... ticket sales!... I mean let's face this will attract those fans that don't really follow baseball, and even if its short term, he could become a factor when attendance records are released and the Marlins aren't dead last. But I know this is a crazy proposition, so don't bring that up.
5. Joe Borchard- Keep in mind, he's numbers, that look pretty good, have mostly come on as a pinch-hitter, how would he do a an everyday player?
6.Reggie Abercrombie- Wow, extremely atheletic, rocket arm, very strong and very fast, but he's making way to many mental errors to play everyday, I'd like to see him in Triple AAA next year...the key word:POTENTIAL
7.Willy Tavares- Cheap, he's getting payed only 400,000 in Houston right now, thats all the Marlins need to know to be at least interested... He's also a .290, 5 HR, 35 SB guy and a fairly good defensivly, not a bad choice.
Other names, i might add another day: Tike Redman, Rocco Baldeli,

Rocco would be awesome in Florida, but i dont think the rays will deal him, with all the time they have waited for him to be healthy.

[W_Marone]

I dont think the Stro's will be willing to trade Tavaras to be honest, I think Pierre would be too high of a price for the Fish, Sammy Sosa? Ticket sales, perhaps, maybe just becuase of the latin fans down there want to see Slammin Steroid....I mean, Sammy Sosa. Hahaha, what about that Hermida kid, how's he doin?

[1927Marlins]

8.Tike Redman- Sleeper potential... the kind of guy you wouldn't think of... but then has a season like, well Brandon Phillips of this year,
9. Jose Bautista- At this point, I'm just looking for any cheap outfielder... But 16 HR and 20 2Bs in 390 ABs is pretty good, also very versital and 25 yrs. old.
10. Adam Lind- Great minor leaguer from the Blue Jays organization, don't think the Jays are gonna give him up though....

[EvanAparra]

I dont think the Stro's will be willing to trade Tavaras to be honest, I think Pierre would be too high of a price for the Fish, Sammy Sosa? Ticket sales, perhaps, maybe just becuase of the latin fans down there want to see Slammin Steroid....I mean, Sammy Sosa. Hahaha, what about that Hermida kid, how's he doin?


I dont see why the Stros would not be willing to trade Wily. They were trying to ship him out at the deadline this year, and the only problem was that no one really wanted him. Only the twins made a real offer. Wily is easily expendable to the Astros, and if the Marlins wanted him, it wouldnt cost them the world.

[HialeahMarlins]

I prefer Amezaga over Pierre for a couple of reasons.
1. Amezaga is four to five times cheaper than Pierre
2. Almost as fast as Pierre
3. His arm strenght is way better than Pierre's
4. Defensively as good or better than Pierre
5. Amezaga just needs to bat a little more.
When Amezaga is in cf you don't see runners tagging up, now watch the way runners tag up when Pierre is in cf.

[moebarguy]

Well, here's another reason: Pierre's OBP was .329 this season. It's going to catch up with him...less runs, less SB's.

[HialeahMarlins]

I would rather have Joe Borchard than Jeremy Hermida.
Hanley is cool at first, we need a Torii Hunter (of course it's not going to be him) type of CF. I wouldn't mess with the lineup a whole lot:
SS- Hanley
2B-Uggla
3B-Cabby
CF-Soriano/somebody who can provide some pop
LF-Willingham
1B-Jacobs/Wes Helms (great addition, thank God for Beinfest)
RF-Borchard/Cody/Hermida (definitely Cody agains right-handers)
C-Olivo/Treanor
P-D-Train
P-Anibal Sanchez
P-J.J.
P-Olsen
P-Nolasco

RP-Tank
RP-JoBo
RP-Mitre
RP-Jose Garcia
RP-Resop
RP-A Closer please
It will be good to have someone else who can provide some pop to bat 4th but i also beleive that Cabrera can provide a lot more Pop. he is the youngest player in mlb to post 2 seasons with 30+ homeruns and among the youngest to reach 100 hr. he just has to decide between BA or Hr. For ex Adam Dunn has 40 hr but only bats 234 there are lot of guys on the majors that can do this. I think Cabrera can hit 40hr and bat arround 300

[cubaxpos]

Well, here's another reason: Pierre's OBP was .329 this season. It's going to catch up with him...less runs, less SB's.

Definitely one of the most popular players in team history and the nicest guy ever, but his 329 OBP blows and he's got no arm. Amezaga is an improved version of Pierre, so I would rather have him. Now, I read again rumors of Rocco and Crawford being dangled for the proper price.
Those will be great and what the team needs, together with 3 or 4 new relievers, to be the wild card next year and probably pose a thread to the mighty Mets.

[cubaxpos]

It will be good to have someone else who can provide some pop to bat 4th but i also beleive that Cabrera can provide a lot more Pop. he is the youngest player in mlb to post 2 seasons with 30+ homeruns and among the youngest to reach 100 hr. he just has to decide between BA or Hr. For ex Adam Dunn has 40 hr but only bats 234 there are lot of guys on the majors that can do this. I think Cabrera can hit 40hr and bat arround 300

That's fine, but who are you going to hit third???

[1927Marlins]

Why are you guys against Piere? He's a perfect pick. Lets remember another guy who people were against Ivan Rodriguez, he did a pretty good job...

[moebarguy]

Why are you guys against Piere? He's a perfect pick. Lets remember another guy who people were against Ivan Rodriguez, he did a pretty good job...

What does that have to do with anything? Juan Pierre's stats are getting worse. For someone to steal bases, and more importantly, to be a spark plug for the top of the lineup, one has to have a good OBP - not one that is around league average.

[HialeahMarlins]

Why are you guys against Piere? He's a perfect pick. Lets remember another guy who people were against Ivan Rodriguez, he did a pretty good job...
Don't get me wrong I love the way Pierre Plays and I enjoyed it when he was with us but I see Amezaga as a better player than him. Even Amezaga with less hits and BA has a better OBP, not only that but if Pierre would play any other position than the field I might think of him as a good choice but he just doesn't have the arm strenght an outfielder needs. Just watch him play. Plus he will cost us $4.5m while Amezaga got paid 340k this season.

[moebarguy]

Pierre will get like $8 mil per

[cubaxpos]

Why are you guys against Piere? He's a perfect pick. Lets remember another guy who people were against Ivan Rodriguez, he did a pretty good job...

Nothing against J.P. but his stats are getting worst by the year. Amezaga, like I said, is a better and improved version (and cheaper too) of J.P. Better arm, about the same speed, more pop, is a switch hitter, plays outstanding D, great instincts.

[1927Marlins]

we still dont have a CF Alex Sanchez? r u kidding me. Sammy signed with someone else (Rangers) someone i was hopping the Marlins would have picked up. Any word on how much money there paying him?

[cubaxpos]

Well, Alex Sanchez sports a 296 lifetime batting AVE and can steal bases for you.
The only two knocks on him are his atrocious D and how he's known for being a cancer in the clubhouse. First of all, I hope that he can flag down fly balls in the Bermuda Triangle 434' away from home plate. If he can play a decent D he'll be valuable. Secondly, he must improve on his people's skills.
I would've much rather have one of the three outfielders Devil Rays were shopping but if we settle for Amezaga or Alex Sanchez (I'd rather have Amezaga) and they could do the job we'll be in good shape.
As for Sosa, he signed a minor league contract that'll net him 800 K if he's to make the team. Had he signed here he would've competed for the RF spot and the Marlins have Hermida. I don't know if he weould've been a good fit here other than the attraction of seeing him play in Dolphins Stadium and the possibility of selling a few more tickets. He appears to be done and doesn't bode well with the youth movement of the team.

[1927Marlins]

I'm jumping on the Reggie Abercrombie bandwagon :gt
I think we can expirement a little at CF because we've got all other positions (on the field) down and most likely our CF will be batting at 8.

[cubaxpos]

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I am off that bandwagon my friend.
He could be the greatest CF ever but he can't hit, and his D was less than questionable back there.

[winningtheweapon]

Solution: Red Sox trade CF Jacoby Ellsbury for 3B Miguel Cabrera. Sounds fair to me as the Red Sox need a solution and more power at 3B for the future.

[cubaxpos]

Are you serious???????
You can't be serious, huh??

[Eddiey]

Solution: Red Sox trade CF Jacoby Ellsbury for 3B Miguel Cabrera. Sounds fair to me as the Red Sox need a solution and more power at 3B for the future.

That had to be a joke. If not, there must be something vile in the water. LOL

[W_Marone]

I sure hope so...hahaha that was a terrible proposed trade.

[winningtheweapon]

The trade is relevant to both teams albeit Jacoby is still a prospect, but he's going to be an all-star someday. He's a high on base guy with tremendous speed and he plays amazingly great defense in center.

[winningtheweapon]

The Marlins have been looking into picking up Jacoby in a trade so it's not implausible.

[Westlake]

The Marlins have been looking into picking up Jacoby in a trade so it's not implausible.

Yeah, but they arent giving up one possibly one of the top 5 players in the world. Thats a terrible proposed trade. Their GM would never work in baseball again if he pulled the trigger on that. 100% impossible.

[winningtheweapon]

Yeah, but they arent giving up one possibly one of the top 5 players in the world. Thats a terrible proposed trade. Their GM would never work in baseball again if he pulled the trigger on that. 100% impossible.

I'm not saying it's comparable, but he did pull the trigger on a deal that sent Beckett to Boston for a couple of prospects and Beckett was a World Series MVP for them not that long ago and still has the potential of being an ace pitcher. Well those prospects turned out to be dependable, everyday players, especially Hanley Ramirez. But Jacoby is a much better prospect, all-star player potential and a tremendous defensive player. I could possibly see your GM being tempted by it given recent history.

[Westlake]

I'm not saying it's comparable, but he did pull the trigger on a deal that sent Beckett to Boston for a couple of prospects and Beckett was a World Series MVP for them not that long ago and still has the potential of being an ace pitcher. Well those prospects turned out to be dependable, everyday players, especially Hanley Ramirez. But Jacoby is a much better prospect, all-star player potential and a tremendous defensive player. I could possibly see your GM being tempted by it given recent history.

I'm a red sox fan.

Neither Beckett nor Lowell were top 5 players in major league baseball. Jacoby is not a better prospect than Hanley was in his time. Jacoby is yet to play at a high level. That trade would just never happen straight up. And it would probably take adding Papelbon and Hansen to the deal for it to happen.

[winningtheweapon]

I'm a red sox fan.

Neither Beckett nor Lowell were top 5 players in major league baseball. Jacoby is not a better prospect than Hanley was in his time. Jacoby is yet to play at a high level. That trade would just never happen straight up. And it would probably take adding Papelbon and Hansen to the deal for it to happen.

Huh? Jacoby was playing well in AA before the year ended.

[cubaxpos]

People who are saying that that trade is going to happen should be revoke of their license to watch baseball. :) :) :)
Come on people, are you serious for real??????
When Beinfest traded for Anibal Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez he was not trading one of the best 5 SP in the game. If he's to trade Cabrera, which won't happen in the near future, he'll be trading possibly a top 3 player in his position. Is he going to trade him for a mere prospect????
Please, you guys have to come harder than that.

[winningtheweapon]

People who are saying that that trade is going to happen should be revoke of their license to watch baseball. :) :) :)
Come on people, are you serious for real??????
When Beinfest traded for Anibal Sanchez and Hanley Ramirez he was not trading one of the best 5 SP in the game. If he's to trade Cabrera, which won't happen in the near future, he'll be trading possibly a top 3 player in his position. Is he going to trade him for a mere prospect????
Please, you guys have to come harder than that.

And that's exactly what they did when they did this whole firesale last offseason. Albeit, they didn't trade away a top 3 player, but they traded away some good talent for prospects. And no I will not stop watching baseball. :) Either way they are interested in Jacoby and another, but lesser outfield prospect for the Red Sox, David Murphy. If the Red Sox are going to trade away Jacoby, they're going to want Miguel, unless your team has an A+ pitching prospect?

[Eddiey]

And that's exactly what they did when they did this whole firesale last offseason. Albeit, they didn't trade away a top 3 player, but they traded away some good talent for prospects. And no I will not stop watching baseball. :) Either way they are interested in Jacoby and another, but lesser outfield prospect for the Red Sox, David Murphy. If the Red Sox are going to trade away Jacoby, they're going to want Miguel, unless your team has an A+ pitching prospect?


If and when Jacoby proves himself as a top flight major leaguer then we can talk about a trade. Until that time theres nothing to talk about. Not unless the Sox want to throw in a top flight starter. Then there MIGHT be something to talk about.

[cubaxpos]

And that's exactly what they did when they did this whole firesale last offseason. Albeit, they didn't trade away a top 3 player, but they traded away some good talent for prospects. And no I will not stop watching baseball. :) Either way they are interested in Jacoby and another, but lesser outfield prospect for the Red Sox, David Murphy. If the Red Sox are going to trade away Jacoby, they're going to want Miguel, unless your team has an A+ pitching prospect?

But their payroll is 23 million dollars buddy.
Before the team sold one ticket this year they had 30 million dollars in their side thanks to the revenue sharing. They are not in that mood this year.
Yeah, they interested in those two players but they were dangling Renyel Pinto or somebody along those lines, not bona fide super star like Miggy,
come on man.
By the way, the Marlins have MLB ready top starters such as J.J., Olsen, Sanchez, etc.

[1927Marlins]

The Marlins will not trade Miguel this year (PERIOD) the only way I see them even considering the idea of trading him is if Boston agrees to pay for a stadium here, and not just any stadium, a state of the art $6 billion doller one. He's are best and most popular player, and your crazy in even thinking that the Marlins would do such a thing...

[AJBurnett34]

miguel wont be traded anytime soon in my opinion...he is what makes the Marlins.