Sources Say JOE GIRARDI Won't be Back!

[DODGER DEB]

This ST article cites sources within the Florida Marlins organization that say JOE GIRARDI's days as Marlins Manager are numbered......

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14949055/

What do you think?

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[wilkerson_rulz-06]

He's a lock to sign with DC. :laugh

[mojorisin71]

Or the Cubs. Dusty doesn't figure to be back next year in the Northside.

[KCGHOST]

How could Girardi be "introverted" and "lack communcation skills" and get all these young players to play like they have.

If I am Girardi I would try to see if things can be patched up in Florida because he has far more talent there than he would in Chicago or Washington.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

How could Girardi be "introverted" and "lack communcation skills" and get all these young players to play like they have.

If I am Girardi I would try to see if things can be patched up in Florida because he has far more talent there than he would in Chicago or Washington.
What are you talking about, the Nationals have A LOT of young talent as well, he would be a GREAT fit here. :grouchy

[bostonredsox1975]

I don't follow the Nats or the Marlins a whole lot, but don't both teams have some good players in their farm system and should (theoretically) be great in the future? The only difference is that the Marlins can't get a stadium right?

[W_Marone]

Shows how much of an idiot the marlins owner is, look out dusty, Joe will be coming for your job next season.

[W_Marone]

What are you talking about, the Nationals have A LOT of young talent as well, he would be a GREAT fit here. :grouchy

Stay with Frankie.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Stay with Frankie.
Frankie is CRAP; he falls asleep in the 4th inning.

[TheKingofKings]

Girardi wants to stay in Florida but if the owner doesn't recognize the immense work he has done , he should go to another team like WAS or CHC .
BTW , this is just a probably unfounded rumour on MSNBC !!!

[Knick9]

Frankie is CRAP; he falls asleep in the 4th inning.

Sad, but at times it's true. :laugh

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

This shows once again that Loria has no clue how to run a baseball team.

Sacking a manager of a team that is still competing for a wild card spot... The guy must be insane (if the rumours are right of course).

[cubaxpos]

This shows once again that Loria has no clue how to run a baseball team.

Sacking a manager of a team that is still competing for a wild card spot... The guy must be insane (if the rumours are right of course).

Guys, I don't know if any of you watch all the Marlins game this season (I think out of the 156 thus far I've watched every inning of easily 140 and parts of the rest) and he's not a really good manager.
As a matter of fact I think he's comparable to the great Tony Perez when he managed down here for half a season. The Marlins have wasily lost anywhere from 10 to 12 games thanks to his managerial moves.
I met him personally at the Fan Fest and he's a great guy, very humble and he seems easy going as well. However, he's not a very good manager. As a matter of fact, he's the worst manager the Marlins have ever had (close to Tony Perez) from a managerial standpoint. He might be a great motivator, but this team had great talent a great young pitching, anybody could've won with these kids.
I personally think that Fredi Gonzalez would be the perfect fit. The Marlins need a manager who can speak English because the two super stars on the team are Miguel Cabrera and Hanley Ramirez. They both speak little English and they have reapeteadly said they would love a coach they can relate to.
Let's not go crazy Marlins fan before this new turn of our beloved franchise.
Girardi never hit a homer this season nor he pitched or played defense.
LET'S GO FISH!!!!

[SDL]

Girardi was a bully who had USMC grooming codes and manhadled his players. I knew he wasn't going to last.

[cubaxpos]

Girardi was a bully who had USMC grooming codes and manhadled his players. I knew he wasn't going to last.

I am sorry my little knowledge, but what's USMC? United States Marine Corps?
I really tell you guys that he's a very bad manager.

[SDL]

I am sorry my little knowledge, but what's USMC? United States Marine Corps?
I really tell you guys that he's a very bad manager.

You got it right about the USMC.

Girardi comes in and decrees no long hair and no facial hair. Now if he goes to the Cubs and tries that crap, he's going to have a player revolt on his hands.

As I have said in the past. Joey Pitbull (leave us face it..he looks like one) should not have been a manager. A year as a bench coach doesn't qualify him. Plus his stupid no-mustaches rule and his manhandling players and telling Loria to shut up...real great image to project.

[cubaxpos]

You got it right about the USMC.

Girardi comes in and decrees no long hair and no facial hair. Now if he goes to the Cubs and tries that crap, he's going to have a player revolt on his hands.

As I have said in the past. Joey Pitbull (leave us face it..he looks like one) should not have been a manager. A year as a bench coach doesn't qualify him. Plus his stupid no-mustaches rule and his manhandling players and telling Loria to shut up...real great image to project.

He's not a bad person but he's really bad managing the game. I spoke to him during FanFest and he came accross pretty nicely. However, he needs to go and Fredi Gonzalez needs to come in and a couple of relievers need to be signed.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I was reading an article in the Vero Beach Press Journal which gave some insight into the problem.

Loria, alone, hired Girardi. His GM, Larry Beinfest, had no input on this decision. Zero. Nada.

Beinfest was ticked off, of course. But the other side of that is that Girardi is a controlling personality, and he sought to exert control over parts of the side of the baseball house that were truly the GMs domain.

Girardi was a good manager, on balance; he got a team that was predicted to finish poorly to overachieve. The way he was pushed from grace, I believe, became a distraction that caused the team to lose focus at the time it needed it most.

While Loria, who is a jerk, has taken most of the heat for this, and especially for the incident where Girardi confronted Loria openly when Loria was lambasting an umpire, Girardi deserves some blame here as well. He should have let the owner run his mouth; he's paid for the dubious privilege. Instead, he got into a row with his owner, and, to make things worse, Girardi's bench coach used the occasion to curse out the owner, daring Loria to get someone else if he didn't like what Girardi was doing. And Girardi backed his bench coach in this issue.

So what happened was that Girardi managed events to where Loria was going to sign with Beinfest. Girardi really gave Loria no choice, when you think about it. What owner of a company would tolerate not just the rank disrespect of a subordinate, but that subordinate's defense of an even more out-of-line subordinate of the subordinate? If I were an owner and my manager's bench coach cussed me out and the manager backed him up, I would seriously have to wonder how much control that manager had over his coaching staff and the clubhouse.

My prediction: Girardi will NOT be manager of the year. And he will find it surprisingly tough to get hired on with another team.

[cubaxpos]

-You're totally right, Beinfest didn't have an input on this and he's the most important piece to the puzzle. He's the orchestrator of all the good deals the franchise has made, and he's the brain of the organization.
-I don't think Girardi is a good manager, at least not yet. He cost the team in excess of 10 games (believe me, I've watched all the Marlins games) and I think the Marlins, without Girardi, would've been equally surprising and even better because they would've had a manager with so many flaws when making pitching changes and personnel decisions.
-I totally agree with you, if the guy who signs my checks wants to do yell at somebody he's got all the rights to di it, and I am sure as heck not going to say anything. Besides, his bench coach also yelled at Loria (????), I mean, any employee who yells at me and disrespects me goes immediately.
He's not a good manager, beisdes his off-field rants and being a control freak. I will be glad the day they show him the door and they bring Beinfest's choice, one I am pretty sure will be a good one. This guy has pushed all the right buttons since he got here.

[SDL]

Joey Pitbull and Loria...matter and anti-matter.

Joey Pitbull banning facial hair. Ok that may sounds like a small thing to some but it's a sign that somebody has a problem. You'd think a manager would be more concerned about what happens on the field rather than what a guy wears on his face.

The incident with Scott Olsen. Olsen felt the umpire wasn't giving him enough time to warm up and after the inning was over, Joey Pitbull grabs Olsen and throws him up against a wall. Nope, can't talk to him in the office..has to manhandle him. Girardi is lucky it wasn't me he did that to.

Him and Loria. Loria may be a jerk, but he IS the boss over Joey Pitbull. Telling your boss to shut up...just call it being suicidal, job-wise.

Don't think we'll see Joey Pitbull managing anytime soon.

[Yankeebiscuitfan]

Guys, I don't know if any of you watch all the Marlins game this season (I think out of the 156 thus far I've watched every inning of easily 140 and parts of the rest) and he's not a really good manager.
As a matter of fact I think he's comparable to the great Tony Perez when he managed down here for half a season. The Marlins have wasily lost anywhere from 10 to 12 games thanks to his managerial moves.
I met him personally at the Fan Fest and he's a great guy, very humble and he seems easy going as well. However, he's not a very good manager. As a matter of fact, he's the worst manager the Marlins have ever had (close to Tony Perez) from a managerial standpoint. He might be a great motivator, but this team had great talent a great young pitching, anybody could've won with these kids.
I personally think that Fredi Gonzalez would be the perfect fit. The Marlins need a manager who can speak English because the two super stars on the team are Miguel Cabrera and Hanley Ramirez. They both speak little English and they have reapeteadly said they would love a coach they can relate to.
Let's not go crazy Marlins fan before this new turn of our beloved franchise.
Girardi never hit a homer this season nor he pitched or played defense.
LET'S GO FISH!!!!

I did not see any of the Marlins' games. So you may be right about the managerial mistakes he has made.

But can a manager of a team with more than 10 (talented) rookies, with hardly any or no MLB experience and (by the time this thread was started) still in the wild card race, really be a bad one?

I can not believe that.

[SDL]

I did not see any of the Marlins' games. So you may be right about the managerial mistakes he has made.

But can a manager of a team with more than 10 (talented) rookies, with hardly any or no MLB experience and (by the time this thread was started) still in the wild card race, really be a bad one?

I can not believe that.

It isn't so much your managerial skills..it's your PEOPLE skills. Girardi has shown he doesn't have those

[cubaxpos]

I did not see any of the Marlins' games. So you may be right about the managerial mistakes he has made.

But can a manager of a team with more than 10 (talented) rookies, with hardly any or no MLB experience and (by the time this thread was started) still in the wild card race, really be a bad one?

I can not believe that.

He's God awful buddy, take it from a die hard Marlins fan (and there are a lot of us, the only thing is that we don't show at the stands because the team plays in a pit) who watches all the Marlins' games. This guy cost the Marlins easily 10 games, maybe more. Also, remember that the manager does not field one ball, does not hit one homerun and he certainly does not pitch one inning during the season. Now, managers can loose a lot of games, and believe me, Girardi had his shares of loosing games this year.
He's one of the worst manager I've ever seen, period. Also, he seems to be a really awful guy when it comes to his people's skills. Therefore, he needs to go and Beinfest needs to bring HIS choice. Believe me, thus far his choices have not failed a whole lot more. If the Marlins would've had Fredi Gonzalez, or somebody else, at the helm, they would've won even more games.

[SDL]

He's God awful buddy, take it from a die hard Marlins fan (and there are a lot of us, the only thing is that we don't show at the stands because the team plays in a pit) who watches all the Marlins' games. This guy cost the Marlins easily 10 games, maybe more. Also, remember that the manager does not field one ball, does not hit one homerun and he certainly does not pitch one inning during the season. Now, managers can loose a lot of games, and believe me, Girardi had his shares of loosing games this year.
He's one of the worst manager I've ever seen, period. Also, he seems to be a really awful guy when it comes to his people's skills. Therefore, he needs to go and Beinfest needs to bring HIS choice. Believe me, thus far his choices have not failed a whole lot more. If the Marlins would've had Fredi Gonzalez, or somebody else, at the helm, they would've won even more games.

No kidding he was awful with people skills. Demadning short hair and no facial hair...manhandling Scott Olsen...telling Loria to shut up. I think at that point Loria finally realized he should have listened to Beinfest and not hired Joey Pitbull.

If they can't get Fredi...why not give Perry Hill a shot?

[cubaxpos]

No kidding he was awful with people skills. Demadning short hair and no facial hair...manhandling Scott Olsen...telling Loria to shut up. I think at that point Loria finally realized he should have listened to Beinfest and not hired Joey Pitbull.

If they can't get Fredi...why not give Perry Hill a shot?

It wouldn't be a bad choice, but Fredi's been here b4 and is hispanic. The two stars of the team are latin and speak little english. Besides, Miggy's sadi all along that he wants a latin manager

[cubaxpos]

Finally it's all over folks.
Bring on Beinfest's top choice: Fredi Gonzalez

[Atlanta Braves Freak]

He'll be a good manager, he's an energetic guy and being able to speak Spanish is also a plus. He showed he could do it at Triple-A and I know he can do it on the major league level.

[SDL]

Don't bash Girardi on a certain message board run by Marlin fans...you'll get yelled at

"Maybe he was REALLY thinking what he said. Just because you hate Joe Girardi doesn't mean Olsen does and it doesn't mean you have to repeat the same garbage in every thread where he is mentioned. Do you repeat Joey Pitbull to yourself every night til you fall asleep? Grow a beard to show up Girardi since you could never stop talking about that either. Get over it already and find something new to talk about or don't talk at all. This isn't a Red Sox forum, I don't know if they talk crap about Yankees and former Yanks all day on those but if they do go over there and do that and leave us alone.

I am sick and tired of your garbage trying to ruin every thread."

Sorry to have posted it here, but I thought I'd share how criticism of St. Joseph is now tolerated...

[cubaxpos]

Don't bash Girardi on a certain message board run by Marlin fans...you'll get yelled at
"Maybe he was REALLY thinking what he said. Just because you hate Joe Girardi doesn't mean Olsen does and it doesn't mean you have to repeat the same garbage in every thread where he is mentioned. Do you repeat Joey Pitbull to yourself every night til you fall asleep? Grow a beard to show up Girardi since you could never stop talking about that either. Get over it already and find something new to talk about or don't talk at all. This isn't a Red Sox forum, I don't know if they talk crap about Yankees and former Yanks all day on those but if they do go over there and do that and leave us alone.
I am sick and tired of your garbage trying to ruin every thread."
Sorry to have posted it here, but I thought I'd share how criticism of St. Joseph is now tolerated...

I don't really know what the obsession with this guy was. He was awful. GOD AWFUL

[SDL]

I don't really know what the obsession with this guy was. He was awful. GOD AWFUL

On that message board, it's "We love Joe...We hate Fredi and Loria"

I do hate the Yankees (I'm from Boston...I was born that way), but that isn't why I dislike Joey Pitbull. I don't like bullies. To me, Girardi was one. Banning facial hair, manhandling players...you're supposed to treat players like men, not kids. Look at Willie Randolph an former Yankee player and coach like Girardi. He allows facial hair..has a mustache himself. He didn't throw any players against any walls and I doubt he'd ever tell Wilpon to shut up. I'd say Randolph has been doing a good job with the Mets.

I had a feeling from the time that spring training started that Girardi wasn't going to last...his little saying that managing the Cubs would be his dream job didn't help his cause any.

Trust me..if Joey Pitbull ever came to the Red Sox,I doubt he'd get away with ordering guys like manny to cut iff their dreads or shave.

I pity the Cubs if they hire this guy.

Good thing this isn't that board. We'd be banned for speaking ill of The Great Joseph...

[EdmondsFan#1]

I don't really know what the obsession with this guy was. He was awful. GOD AWFUL


Are you retarded?

He is god awful because he didn't get a team to even get over .500? They had by far the smallest payroll in baseball and the team pretty much fully consisted of rookies! That's great if he could even get them close to the playoffs!!


Are you a cubs fan cubaxpos? Becuase Joey is going to get you guys to the damn playoffs next year and he is 5x better then Dusty Shitbaker.

[cubaxpos]

Are you retarded?

He is god awful because he didn't get a team to even get over .500? They had by far the smallest payroll in baseball and the team pretty much fully consisted of rookies! That's great if he could even get them close to the playoffs!!


Are you a cubs fan cubaxpos? Becuase Joey is going to get you guys to the damn playoffs next year and he is 5x better then Dusty Shitbaker.

You, and not me, are retarded sir.

I am a die hard Marlins' fan who has watched 99% of Marlins games since 1995. How many Marlins' games did you watch to submit such ideotic statement??????
He's GOD AWFUL because he doesn't know how to treat his superiors, doesn't know how to evaluate players, and is the worst manager when substituting pitchers. I mean, the Marlins lost more games than anyone when leading after 7 innings. Do you know what that means???? It means that the bullpen was awful and that the manager does neither have a clue nor feeling on when to substitute relievers. Saint Josepth Girardi, the could be manager of the year, lost, on my count, 10 games all by himself.
Please, before you insult somebody have a clue first on what you're talking about.

[PJ-34]

umm wow he was fired a long time ago dude, try to pay more attention

[SDL]

umm wow he was fired a long time ago dude, try to pay more attention

ummm wow, like he was only fired this past Monday morning, dude.

[SDL]

Are you retarded?

He is god awful because he didn't get a team to even get over .500? They had by far the smallest payroll in baseball and the team pretty much fully consisted of rookies! That's great if he could even get them close to the playoffs!!


Are you a cubs fan cubaxpos? Becuase Joey is going to get you guys to the damn playoffs next year and he is 5x better then Dusty Shitbaker.

I take it you're a Cards fan. Look up the history of Vern Rapp. He and Girardi treated players the same way.

Girardi pulls what he did in Wrigley..he'll be out on his ass pretty fast. He won't be dealing with kids he can intimidate like he did with the Marlins.

I take it you'd rather see your guy LaRussa replaced by Joey Pitbull?

I sure as hell don't want to ever see him in the BoSox dugout!

[PJ-34]

i didnt stop to check when this forum was posted wow!

[cubaxpos]

umm wow he was fired a long time ago dude, try to pay more attention

He was fired last Monday dude. I was replying somebody

[The Kid]

This guy won manager of the year and the fish are letting him go? Horrible.

[cubaxpos]

umm wow he was fired a long time ago dude, try to pay more attention

ummmmmm I think you didn't pay attention to the date of my post, duh

[Mattingly]

Sorry to dig up old threads, but this one seemed quite interesting. Seeing how "Joey Pitbull" (thanks to SDL, of course) is somehow being considered as a Yankee manager (amongst other names), I wanted to know what kind of in-game manager he was.

Did he know when to take out pitchers? Who to bring in? Did he favor some relievers while ignoring others?

Anything about steals, whether he had a running game going, or how well he'd worked with slumping players, I'm interested in finding out.

Other than the USMC dress code, how did he handle the younger guys there? Was he helpful? Condescending?

Any details will provide useful insight. :)

[SDL]

Sorry to dig up old threads, but this one seemed quite interesting. Seeing how "Joey Pitbull" (thanks to SDL, of course) is somehow being considered as a Yankee manager (amongst other names), I wanted to know what kind of in-game manager he was.

Did he know when to take out pitchers? Who to bring in? Did he favor some relievers while ignoring others?

Anything about steals, whether he had a running game going, or how well he'd worked with slumping players, I'm interested in finding out.

Other than the USMC dress code, how did he handle the younger guys there? Was he helpful? Condescending?

Any details will provide useful insight. :)


If you want a manager who throws young players against a wall and tells your owner to STFU then Joey Pitbull is your man. Why you think the Cubs wouldn't touch him?

Matt..I wouldn't wish this skeevoza even on you guys...

[Dalkowski110]

If you think Torre overuses the pitching staff...just wait until Girardi gets his hands on it. I remember someone in the Mets Forum wanted to hire Girardi to manage the Mets. Being quite pitching-oriented, I basically related how Girardi had trashed the arms of all but three pitchers on his entire staff (note that while Brian Moeheler got slightly better, he was being used as a long reliever, not a starter as he was on the Marlins). Yes, you read that correctly. All but three pitchers on his entire staff.

Below is a list of Marlins pitchers who threw at least 35 innings with Florida in 2006 and stayed with Florida for 2007. Also included are their ERA+'s for 2006 and 2007.

Dontrelle Willis:
-2006 ERA+ of 112
-2007 ERA+ of 82

Scott Olsen:
-2006 ERA+ of 107
-2007 ERA+ of 73

Josh Johnson:
-2006 ERA+ of 139
-2007 ERA+ of 57

Ricky Nolasco:
-2006 ERA+ of 89
-2007 ERA+ of 78

Anibal Sanchez:
-2006 ERA+ of 152
-2007 ERA+ 89

Logan Kensing (Note however that Kensing was on the DL most of 2007):
-2006 ERA+ of 95
-2007 ERA+ of 316

Taylor Tankersley:
-2006 ERA+ of 151
-2007 ERA+ of 107

Randy Messenger:
-2006 ERA+ of 76
-2007 ERA+ of 160 with Marlins, 87 with San Francisco, thus making him one of two non-DL'ed pitchers who stayed to actually improve in 2007. Sergio Mitre (see below) was the other.

Sergio Mitre:
-2006 ERA+ of 76
-2007 ERA+ of 92

Jason Vargas (who also had arm problems) and Joe Borowski also experienced severe regressions. Matt Herges improved, but pitched in under half the games he did in 2006 in 2007.

[Mattingly]

If you want a manager who throws young players against a wall and tells your owner to STFU then Joey Pitbull is your man. Why you think the Cubs wouldn't touch him?

Matt..I wouldn't wish this skeevoza even on you guys...
I'm seeing here in this thread how he's a bad evaluator of talent, and that he'd lost several games by himself. Did he have a good bullpen, but didn't know which guys to use and when? Were certain guys being overworked, while others were getting rusty? Or did he have a bad bullpen that couldn't hold any leads?

I think I'd read that the comments were in defense of the pitching coach, who'd had an argument with the owner. So the manager's subordinate gets into a shouting contest with he owner, so the owner's subordinate is on his own subordinate's side.

Anyway, what exactly are the things that Girardi did in Florida that angered the players? Either I missed it or someone knew but didn't explain in detail, but what was he able to get away with that a vet players from a much more established team wouldn't have worked?

Thx. :)

[Dalkowski110]

"Did he have a good bullpen, but didn't know which guys to use and when? Were certain guys being overworked, while others were getting rusty? Or did he have a bad bullpen that couldn't hold any leads?"

He did have a good bullpen with two experienced pitchers in Matt Herges and Joe Borowski along with a core of good young relievers like Taylor Tankersley, Randy Messenger, Logan Kensing, and Renyel Pinto (pitched 29 innings then had some problems). Of those, Herges along with former Minor League starter Randy Messenger managed not to have their arms fall off. Messenger also wasn't well-liked by Girardi and wasn't used very much. Matt Herges probably got away with it because he's such a soft-tosser. Problem is, he not only destroyed his bullpen, he also trashed his entire starting rotation with the exception of Sergio Mitre!

[SDL]

I'm seeing here in this thread how he's a bad evaluator of talent, and that he'd lost several games by himself. Did he have a good bullpen, but didn't know which guys to use and when? Were certain guys being overworked, while others were getting rusty? Or did he have a bad bullpen that couldn't hold any leads?

I think I'd read that the comments were in defense of the pitching coach, who'd had an argument with the owner. So the manager's subordinate gets into a shouting contest with he owner, so the owner's subordinate is on his own subordinate's side.

Anyway, what exactly are the things that Girardi did in Florida that angered the players? Either I missed it or someone knew but didn't explain in detail, but what was he able to get away with that a vet players from a much more established team wouldn't have worked?

Thx. :)

Matt...

The pitching coach flap you're thinking of was when ownership canned Brad Arnsberg, who was Jeff Torborg's coach. Torborg was against this and that led hmself getting axed a few months later for McKeon...amd we all kniw what McKeon did later that year (2003 bring back any memories to you?)

Girardi comes in and bans facial hair...coming across as a hypocrite. Says he doesn't mind a player's individual stule, but he thinks it looks neat when they are cleanshaven. Then he gets into a tiff wth Scott Olsen in the dugout; throwing him against the dugout wall that's shown on TV. Condisiering that Girardi does a kids segment on Fox Florida, that's a hell of a message he's
sending to the kids. Then he gets into a shouting match with Loria in St. Louis...Loria is in the stands razzing the umps, both Girardi and Gary Tuck (bench coach) tell Loria to stop it, only using much stronger words. Loria wanted to can him right there, but Larry Beinfest stopped him. Funny, considering that Loria wanted Joey Pitbull and overruled Beinfest wanting Fredi Gonzalez. Girardi then dreamed out loud about wanting the Cubs job...while Dusty Baker was still in Wrigley.

From what I've heard, players weren't crying when Joey Pitbull went bye-bye. Cubs were smart...their vets weren't going to put up with Girardi treating them like kids the way he did with the Marlins. No wonder Cubs and Nationals wouldn't touch him.

If Yankees take it him, it'll be only if Bowa and Pena pass..they have more experience and Donnie Baseball passed.