Can the Yankees challenge Atlanta's record?

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

With the Yanks clinching their 9th straight title, you have to figure how much longer until the record books are re-written.

Atlanta won 14 straight, but what, only 1 WS in the process?

The Yanks might be able to do the same, string 6 more seasons of winning the somewhat "currently" mediocre division and they can break this all-time pro sports record.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Can they do it? I don't see why not. :p But we shouldn't be talking about this until 2011, I think. :crazy

[Pinstripe Pride]

Some say Atlanta has 11 straight division titles, some say it's 14.

Can they break 11? Yes

Will they break 11? Yes

Do I think they will win it every year? No

In the big scope of things, the 26 World Championships of course mean more and that is the ultimate goal every year whether it is by winning the division or going the WC route. The "so many" straight division titles are just lagniappe.

[Mattingly]

Atlanta's number of straight victories ended in 1995, as the Mets are the new sheriffs in town. If that's to happen in the AL East, I'd say it depends.

Boston likes to keep within a certain payroll (not exceeding the lux tax limit, which is ~$130m/yr), so if their farm guys work out, that could be true.

Joe Torre and Brian Cashman have both been steady constants, as have Jeter, Rivera, Posada, but I don't expect Bernie's return in 2007. One member of the old guard won't likely be there anymore, but like any other team, the senior players will help to keep all in line to win like a team is expected to, as they would on any other team. The more wins, the great a chance to repeat winning the AL East in 2007 and beyond.

[LouGehrig]

Winning the division is an almost meaningless accomplishment when compared to real pennant races.

And it might not even mean an extra home game in any of the two playoff rounds or in the WS.

The Yankees winning five consecutive PENNANTS, from 1949-1953 and again from 1960-1964 was a worthy feat. Interesting how little the second streak is mentioned because there were only two World Championships.

Sadly, it really has become making the playoffs, and winning the wild card can be just as effective as winning a division. Ask the Marlins of 1997 and 2003, the Angels of 2002, and the Red Sox of 2004.

The most pathetic sight is to see a t-shirt emblazoned with a team name, declaring that team was the "2006 Wild Card Winners."

[LouGehrig]

It really is 11. Who won in 1994?

[EvanAparra]

No one did, doesnt count.

[EvanAparra]

By the way, 9 should also be a choice. Youre already giving them next year's title.

[Hammerin Hank]

Is anyone else getting tired of all these Yankee/Jeter/ARod threads in current events? Could someone move this to the Yankee forum where it belongs?

[EvanAparra]

Its here for a reason, i woulnt want this in the Yankee forum because objective thoughts are also wanted. Not just a bunch of Yankee fans who will pick 15 or something like that.

[trosmok]

The job action and subsequent lockout that tanked the 1994 MLB season made the year a wash. No division winners, no post season, etc., but the Atlanta faithful say that shouldn't interrupt the streak, for whatever that is worth. The Mets clinching the other night did, for sure, and I'm duly impressed by how well the chronic under acheivers have put it together in '06.:clapping

The other ;) NY team managed to clinch while losing to Toronto last p.m., which isn't exactly the way to build momentum going into the win or go home reality of the post season. They still have quite a few days to rest some ailments, tweak some little stuff like the batting order, get some of the younger guys a few more innings in the field and at bats, and try to get rid of certain media fuelled distractions.

I've been saying for the last two seasons the Yanks are due for a major meltdown due to age, infirmity, front office insanity, and the crushing expectations of their fans and the NYC media barracudas. Nine division titles is enough already, but those guys, particularly Jeter and the mercenaries keep finding a way to stay the top dogs in the AL East. Yeah, another year or two before the Dead Sox, BJs, Orioles, or TB D-Rays can dethrone the emperors of evil. BTW," Rooting for the Yankees is like rooting for the house in blackjack." ~ Adam Morrow

[Hammerin Hank]

Its here for a reason, i woulnt want this in the Yankee forum because objective thoughts are also wanted. Not just a bunch of Yankee fans who will pick 15 or something like that.

I'd just like to believe there are 29 other teams still.

[EvanAparra]

Haha yeah i know what you're talking about. Yankee talk has pretty much dominated over the last week. With the division title, a-rod article, Jeter streak stuff. Hopefully the Dodgers hit 7 HRs in a row tonight so we have something else to talk about.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Its here for a reason, i woulnt want this in the Yankee forum because objective thoughts are also wanted. Not just a bunch of Yankee fans who will pick 15 or something like that.
As the CE mod, I have to concur with this. I'd like to see what fans of other AL East teams have to say.
As for all the A-Rod and Jeter talk, if it is strictly Yankee/New York related, sure. But SI is a national publication and the AL MVP talk is legit across the entire league. Calls for canonization will simply be consolidated.

[Hammerin Hank]

Haha yeah i know what you're talking about. Yankee talk has pretty much dominated over the last week. With the division title, a-rod article, Jeter streak stuff. Hopefully the Dodgers hit 7 HRs in a row tonight so we have something else to talk about.

There's plenty to talk about right now, but the Yankee news seems to be the only team news spilling over into the Current Events forum.

[EvanAparra]

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[Hammerin Hank]

As the CE mod, I have to concur with this. I'd like to see what fans of other AL East teams have to say.
As for all the A-Rod and Jeter talk, if it is strictly Yankee/New York related, sure. But SI is a national publication and the AL MVP talk is legit across the entire league. Calls for canonization will simply be consolidated.

Take notice to the fact that this is the second of two threads about this specific topic in this forum right now.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Take notice to the fact that this is the second of two threads about this specific topic in this forum right now.
Oh for a second computer or third hand.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Winning the division is an almost meaningless accomplishment when compared to real pennant races.

And it might not even mean an extra home game in any of the two playoff rounds or in the WS.

The Yankees winning five consecutive PENNANTS, from 1949-1953 and again from 1960-1964 was a worthy feat. Interesting how little the second streak is mentioned because there were only two World Championships.

Sadly, it really has become making the playoffs, and winning the wild card can be just as effective as winning a division. Ask the Marlins of 1997 and 2003, the Angels of 2002, and the Red Sox of 2004.

The most pathetic sight is to see a t-shirt emblazoned with a team name, declaring that team was the "2006 Wild Card Winners."
In 2001 The Yankees were one out away form winning four straight World Series. Think about that for a moment. If Rivera had finished off the D-Backs in 2001, the Yankees would have won 12 consectutive playoff series over four years. That's mighty impressive. The 1949-53 Yankees only had to win five consectutive playoff series. If the 1949-53 Yankees had to play three rounds every year would they have won five straight World Series? Probably not.

However, on the other hand, the 1949-53 Yankees got to go to five straight World Series because they had the best record in the AL every year. The 1996-2006 Yankees didn't always have the best record in the AL. In the four seasons that the Yankees won the Word Series (1996, 1998-2000) only twice did they have the best regular season record. They also didn't have the best regular season record in 2001.

[Mattingly]

The poll was closed, Cap'n? Just a second ago, I couldn't even access this thread.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The poll was closed, Cap'n? Just a second ago, I couldn't even access this thread.
Something seemed to blow up when I merged the threads. I can't seem to edit the closed poll, for now. Sorry, we'll figure this out.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Atlanta's number of straight victories ended in 1995, as the Mets are the new sheriffs in town.

1995? I think you're a little screwed up in the head. :crazy

[Captain Cold Nose]

1995? I think you're a little screwed up in the head. :crazy
That's a tad harsh, true as it is.

[trosmok]

Maybe if every Yankee thread blows up after a few brief posts, it foretells of the "haven't won it all since 2000" Yankees future in this post season. :eek:

2006 Tigers?????? 3, Yankees 0
'05 Angels 3, Yankees 2
'04 Red Sox 4, Yankees 3
'03 Marlins 4, Yankees 2
'02 Angels 3, Yankees 1
'01 Diamondbacks 4, Yankees 3

[wamby]

1995? I think you're a little screwed up in the head. :crazy

I think it actually ended in 1994.

[wamby]

Some say Atlanta has 11 straight division titles, some say it's 14. Let's go with 14.

Will the Yankees break that record?

Eleven is more accurate.

[Ytown Tribe fan]

The streak is 14. There were no divisional champions in 1994, so the 1993 Divisional champs defended their titles in 1995.

You don't have to like it and you can argue about it til the cows come home, but that's the way it is.

[Pinstripe Pride]

Eleven is more accurate.

That was not suppose to be in there. Something happened .Changed it.

[wamby]

The streak is 14. There were no divisional champions in 1994, so the 1993 Divisional champs defended their titles in 1995.

You don't have to like it and you can argue about it til the cows come home, but that's the way it is.

No divisional champs equals not winnimg a division, which means the streak is ended.

[Brownie31]

As long as "The Boss" keeps spending probably so.

Brownie31

[Mattingly]

1995? I think you're a little screwed up in the head. :crazy
My mind was wonder. Now how do I thump this Sam guy once upside the head? :D

I'd meant 2005. So long as they haven't won the division in 2006, their streak is ended.

Oh, and I believe they started their recently-ended consecutive streak in 1995.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ATL/

So long as 1995 had a strike, there was no division winner, so I don't believe you can count that season. Let the debates begin (or continue, depending upon one's outlook).

[SamtheBravesFan]

My mind was wonder. Now how do I thump this Sam guy once upside the head? :D

I'd meant 2005. So long as they haven't won the division in 2006, their streak is ended.

Oh, and I believe they started their recently-ended consecutive streak in 1995.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ATL/

So long as 1995 had a strike, there was no division winner, so I don't believe you can count that season. Let the debates begin (or continue, depending upon one's outlook).

Well, yes. And by the way, it's 1994 ;) *prepares to be smacked* :D

[Mattingly]

Well, yes. And by the way, it's 1994 ;) *prepares to be smacked* :D
I can't even get anything right today, can I? Hold up, let me see if I've even tied my shoelaces on? Whoops, I'm wearing loafers, never mind! :D

*Slings some cheesy "chin music" in Sam's direction*

BULLSEYE! :p

[AznInvasion]

Yanks are going to choke in the playoffs like usual. They won't even make it to world series. You heard it here first.

[Pinstripe Pride]

The streak is 14. There were no divisional champions in 1994, so the 1993 Divisional champs defended their titles in 1995.


A team can only defend what they can lose. The '95 Braves could not defend their '93 Title. They could defend their 3 year division streak, but I get your point.

[redlegsfan21]

The Yankees currently have 8 straight divisions. They have been to 11 straight playoffs. They were leading in 1994.
1994:
ALE: New York
ALC: White Sox
ALW: Rangers
ALWC: Indians
NLE: Expos
NLC: Reds
NLW: Dodgers
NLWC: Braves

Current Division Streaks (through 2005)
Yankees-8 (1998)-Currently will be extended
White Sox-1 (2005)-Unlikely (E#: 5)
Angels-2 (2004)-Unlikely (E#: 5)
Boston (WC)-3 (2003)-Unlikely (E#: 2)
Atlanta-14 (1991)-Not Happening
St. Louis-2 (2004)-Likely (CIN/HOU E#: 4)
San Diego-1 (2005)-Possible (LAD E#: 11)
Houston (WC)-2 (2004)-Unlikely (E#: 6)

[geezer]

The Yankees have won their 9th straight division title and their 10th in the last 11 seasons, they were 2 games back in 1997, the O's won it that year, and havent got a winning season ever since.

The Braves won technically 14 straight division titles, 3 West, and 11 East, and the Mets this year became the first NL East winners since the Phillies in 1993.

About the Yankees, as it seems, theyre a lock for at least a dozen straight division titles, but if they keep choking on the playoffs, theyre going to be remembered as the AL version of the Atlanta Braves.

[tommybaseball]

No Yankee fan cares about division titles. The ring is the thing, and we got lots of 'em. The Yanks don't need to waste space in their yard on those stupid little div. flags. Atlanta is the modern day Brooklyn Dodgers. They get into the dance, but watch everyone else walk off with the girl. And the modern Yanks ('96-'00 vintage) have had their share. If A-Rod is A-Rod in October, and Torre doesn't yield to taking Melky out of left, the Yanks have a good shot at another prize. How about Brian "GIVE ME THE BLEEPING BALL" Bruney? Have you seen this guys face? That's gotta be his nickname! Have you seen him pitch?

[geezer]

Correction Tommy, the Braves were the baseball version of the Buffalo Bills.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I can't even get anything right today, can I? Hold up, let me see if I've even tied my shoelaces on? Whoops, I'm wearing loafers, never mind! :D

*Slings some cheesy "chin music" in Sam's direction*

BULLSEYE! :p

*WHAM!* Ooooooo, ya got me! :crazy

[soberdennis]

No divisional champs equals not winnimg a division, which means the streak is ended.
This can be argued until the cows come home as you said. Either way it is impressive.
In all sports, even 9 straight titles is rare. Along with the Braves and Yanks, only the Colorado AValanche(NHL), Los Angeles Lakers, and Boston Celtics(NBA) have reached 9 straight.
As for the question asked here, I think it can happen. With all the injuries the Yanks have had the past two years, these two may have been Torre's best jobs. Can they continue to be so lucky. Only time will tell.

[trosmok]

Correction Tommy, the Braves were the baseball version of the Buffalo Bills.

So that would make the Yankees the MLB equal of the Green Bay Packers?;) I have heard the new Yankee stadium will have a home dugout designed to accomodate all the oxygen tanks and walkers the team will need to make it through nine innings. :crazy

BTW, the cows just made their way back into the barn, and a non-issue like the job action interrupting the streak or not is irrelevant. On August 12, 1994 the Montreal Expos were 74-40, the best record in MLB, on pace to win 105 games, and led the Braves by six games. Guess who had the next best record; hint: 70-44.

[soberdennis]

So that would make the Yankees the MLB equal of the Green Bay Packers?;) I have heard the new Yankee stadium will have a home dugout designed to accomodate all the oxygen tanks and walkers the team will need to make it through nine innings. :crazy

BTW, the cows just made their way back into the barn, and a non-issue like the job action interrupting the streak or not is irrelevant. On August 12, 1994 the Montreal Expos were 74-40, the best record in MLB, on pace to win 105 games, and led the Braves by six games. Guess who had the next best record; hint: 70-44.
For those who may not know, it was the Yanks. If it were not for the strike, Don Mattingly may have gotten to the WS. It was his best chance.

[AznInvasion]

So the sole purpose of this thread is for arrogant yankee fans to spout off about how they gonna win the world series and break the division crown streak set by the braves? Delete this thread and put up an advertisement for viagra. At least then Rafael Palmeiro could find work.

[Mattingly]

Yanks are going to choke in the playoffs like usual. They won't even make it to world series. You heard it here first.
So the sole purpose of this thread is for arrogant yankee fans to spout off about how they gonna win the world series and break the division crown streak set by the braves? Delete this thread and put up an advertisement for viagra. At least then Rafael Palmeiro could find work.
My friend, there's only so much name-calling towards fans of any team that I'll tolerate here. I suggest you use that as a simple suggestion before you have anything else negative to say about any fans of any team here.

Thanks.

[AznInvasion]

Name calling? arrogant is name calling? Maybe i should back off the sensitive yankee fans. LOL! Oh btw this thread bashes the braves and your ok with that.

[cardsfanatic]

The job action and subsequent lockout that tanked the 1994 MLB season made the year a wash. No division winners, no post season, etc., but the Atlanta faithful say that shouldn't interrupt the streak, for whatever that is worth.

Well, they counted the stats, wins/losses and handed out awards. I'm not sure that the year didn't count.

[Mattingly]

I'd just like to believe there are 29 other teams still.
In that case, feel free to create posts of general interest about those other teams. Haven't Ryan Howard, Johan Santana, David Ortiz and Quite a few others gotten due attention here under CE?

Who's the king of thread topics under CE? Barry Bonds. No cheesy dig, but the facts speak for themselves.

Name calling? arrogant is name calling? Maybe i should back off the sensitive yankee fans. LOL! Oh btw this thread bashes the braves and your ok with that.
I've quoted where you've called Yankee fans arrogant. I'm against someone here calling fans of *ANY* team those kinds of words.

Please quote for me anywhere in this thread that the Braves team and/or fans and/or front office are being bashed here.

[soberdennis]

So the sole purpose of this thread is for arrogant yankee fans to spout off about how they gonna win the world series and break the division crown streak set by the braves? Delete this thread and put up an advertisement for viagra. At least then Rafael Palmeiro could find work.
The sole purpose of this board is to talk about baseball. I consider it relevant to talk about whether the Yanks can break the Braves record.
Viagra is irrelevant.

[Hammerin Hank]

We better rename this site Yankee Fever.

Mattingly, needless to say your opinion is biased. Of course you're okay with these things. But what's the topic of this thread? The Yankees. And that's the forum this thread belongs in. It's not about any certain player. It's not about Jeter, it's not about Sheffield, it's not about Rodriguez. It's about a team. And the teams have their own forums. So until the Current Events forum gets something like a filter so I can filter out all the Yankee threads, that's where this one should be.

[Hammerin Hank]

The sole purpose of this board is to talk about baseball. I consider it relevant to talk about whether the Yanks can break the Braves record.
Viagra is irrelevant.

And the sole purpose of the Yankee Forum is to talk abou the Yankees. So bring it over there.

[soberdennis]

Name calling? arrogant is name calling? Maybe i should back off the sensitive yankee fans. LOL! Oh btw this thread bashes the braves and your ok with that.
I have not read any Brave bashing on this thread. I am sory you see it that way.

[cardsfanatic]

And the sole purpose of the Yankee Forum is to talk abou the Yankees. So bring it over there.

What is the difference in talking about the Yankees chasing a record than Ryan Howard chasing Maris? Or Johan Santana chasing the Pitching Triple Crown? If you dont wish to read the topic then simply dont open it.

[soberdennis]

And the sole purpose of the Yankee Forum is to talk abou the Yankees. So bring it over there.
I really don't care where the thread is. I also was not the fan that started it.

[Hammerin Hank]

What is the difference in talking about the Yankees chasing a record than Ryan Howard chasing Maris? Or Johan Santana chasing the Pitching Triple Crown? If you dont wish to read the topic then simply dont open it.

We don't have a Ryan Howard or Johan Santana forum. We do have a Yankee forum.

[Hammerin Hank]

I really don't care where the thread is. I also was not the fan that started it.

Of course you don't. The Yankees are a topic that interests you.

[EvanAparra]

If it doesnt interest you, Hank, then why even look at it?

[Hammerin Hank]

If it doesnt interest you, Hank, then why even look at it?

Am I wrong?

[soberdennis]

It seems to me that the Braves fans have gotten upset over someone bringing up the subject of their glorious stread possibly being broken. I am sorry that this thread has upset them. But here are a few positives from a Yankee fan to the Braves' fans.
1. Any team that wins their division 14 straight, 11 straight, 14 out of 15 years, whatever you want to call it, is impressive. You can be proud of your team for that accomplishment.
2. Whatever the length of the streak is, it is still the record. Until the Yankees or some other team does it, breaking it is still just speculation.

I suggest all of us be a little civilized in our conversation or get the thread closed completely.

[cardsfanatic]

We don't have a Ryan Howard or Johan Santana forum. We do have a Yankee forum.

Nothing personal meant here but that seems pretty whiney to me. Is it really going to kill you for a topic like this to be in current events? I mean, you do have a choice not to click the link and read it if it bothers you that much.

[SamtheBravesFan]

It seems to me that the Braves fans have gotten upset over someone bringing up the subject of their glorious stread possibly being broken. I am sorry that this thread has upset them. But here are a few positives from a Yankee fan to the Braves' fans.
1. Any team that wins their division 14 straight, 11 straight, 14 out of 15 years, whatever you want to call it, is impressive. You can be proud of your team for that accomplishment.
2. Whatever the length of the streak is, it is still the record. Until the Yankees or some other team does it, breaking it is still just speculation.

I suggest all of us be a little civilized in our conversation or get the thread closed completely.

EDIT: Well, whoever is upset about this thread, it ain't me. :eek: It's a legitamate question. If you look at it like Wamby, the Braves' streak will be broken in 2009 if the Yankees keep winning. if you look at it the other way like I do, the Yankees will have to win through 2012 in order to break the streak. The situation will be resolved in the future, and one of two things can happen: the Yankees will do it or they will not do it. So we'll just all have to keep our eyes peeled about it. :atthepc

[Mattingly]

We better rename this site Yankee Fever.

Mattingly, needless to say your opinion is biased. Of course you're okay with these things. But what's the topic of this thread? The Yankees. And that's the forum this thread belongs in. It's not about any certain player. It's not about Jeter, it's not about Sheffield, it's not about Rodriguez. It's about a team. And the teams have their own forums. So until the Current Events forum gets something like a filter so I can filter out all the Yankee threads, that's where this one should be.
So you're not biased either?

To my knowledge, the topic of this thread was about whether Team A (NY Yankees) would overtake the consecutive division wins from another east coast team, which is Team B (Atlanta Braves). Since we're talking about two separate teams, two separate leagues, as well as debating whether or not 1994 should be counted, I feel we'll get more replies in this thread where it stands, under CE.

I also consider this a legitimate thread topic under CE, as it concerns a very high level of consecutive postseason appearances by a single team, and the possibility that another team may eventually eclipse this. I don't find that possibility to be exclusively of interest to Yankee fans. Based upon the replies here by fans of teams other than the Yankees, I believe this would be borne out well.

As to a filter, there is none to my knowledge. Please simply read the thread title, if descriptive, then decide whether or not you wish to post or enjoy the topic. If you don't like the topic, please move onto other subject topics.

If you feel that certain threads which partially involve the Yankees belong in the Yankee forum, please post about this under the "Web Improvements" forum, then I'll move all related posts into that new thread.

Thanks.

[Captain Cold Nose]

So you're not biased either?

To my knowledge, the topic of this thread was about whether Team A (NY Yankees) would overtake the consecutive division wins from another east coast team, which is Team B (Atlanta Braves). Since we're talking about two separate teams, two separate leagues, as well as debating whether or not 1994 should be counted, I feel we'll get more replies in this thread where it stands, under CE.

I also consider this a legitimate thread topic under CE, as it concerns a very high level of consecutive postseason appearances by a single team, and the possibility that another team may eventually eclipse this. I don't find that possibility to be exclusively of interest to Yankee fans. Based upon the replies here by fans of teams other than the Yankees, I believe this would be borne out well.

As to a filter, there is none to my knowledge. Please simply read the thread title, if descriptive, then decide whether or not you wish to post or enjoy the topic. If you don't like the topic, please move onto other subject topics.

If you feel that certain threads which partially involve the Yankees belong in the Yankee forum, please post about this under the "Web Improvements" forum, then I'll move all related posts into that new thread.

Thanks.
I am not biased.
I am a CE mod.
It's a legit CE topic since it's relevent to two teams as well as being a current issue.

[Mattingly]

I am not biased.
I am a CE mod.
It's a legit CE topic since it's relevent to two teams as well as being a current issue.
Thanks.

Lots of topics under CE to people named Howard, Zito, Mauer, Ortiz and tons of non-Yankee players.

Like I always suggest, as I did to Hank, folks can just bypass those threads of little interest to them. :)

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Of course you don't. The Yankees are a topic that interests you.
I'm not a Yankee fan, just wanted your opinions on this, and, this is something between the BRAVES and YANKEES, not only the YANKEES so it belongs in CE, it's a pertinent question, not some Yankee fan creating a thread boasting his team.