Palmeiro: Is there no way he gets in?

[JimAbbott]

The way the media talks, the guy has no chance. I think it's a shame. I was always a big fan of the man

[SamtheBravesFan]

The way the media talks, the guy has no chance. I think it's a shame. I was always a big fan of the man

Well, potentially committing perjury in front of a Congressional hearing will do that to a guy. ;) The way he left baseball in such disgrace, there is no way in hell that he's elected by the writers.

[JimAbbott]

I thought the guy just drank some of Miguel Tejada's potion. LOL

[leecemark]

--I think those 3,000 hits and 500 HR will eventually get him. He may have a long wait though.

[CardinalsForever]

With those #'s I think that even though he played juiced he should be in the HOF. But not 1st Ballot

[SamtheBravesFan]

Right. I agree that Palmiero deserves to be in because of his stats, no question. But I don't elect people. The writers do. And the writers will remember what Palmiero did. So he won't be elected first ballot.

[mac195]

He wasn't really HOF caliber in the early (presumably clean) part of his career. A good case can be made that he would not have HOF numbers without the steroids, so he may never get in.

[CTaka]

He wasn't really HOF caliber in the early (presumably clean) part of his career. A good case can be made that he would not have HOF numbers without the steroids, so he may never get in.

I tend to agree. Obviously no one really knows the extent that steroids impacted his play. Would he have been a hall of famer without the juice? My guess is that Palmeiro will not get the benefit of the doubt.

[STLCards2]

Palmeiro will never enter Cooperstown for 2 reasons:

1. There was acctualy a large contingency of people/voters who didn't want him elected even before he was caught. The stupid "never dominant" and "never won an MVP" were the culprits for that one.

2. He was caught doing steroids. The "well you can't prove it" theory won't hold up here.

The only way he goes, if he admits he only used 'roids fir his past 2 years or so, which would deem most of his stats legitamate. Anybody see that happening?

[KCGHOST]

I just don't see anyway the electorate will put him in. It will be there best way to show the world that they are "tough on steroids". Watch the McGwire election carefully. If he doesn't get a high vote total (e.g. 85%+) that will be the death knell of Palmeiro's candidacy.

[jalbright]

I doubt he'll get in within the first five years of his eligiblility at the BBWAA. As time passes, it's hard to see how the steroids situation will play out. If attitudes stay the same or harden against users (certainly plausible), he'll not make it via the writers. If a defeatist attitude of everybody was doing it prevails, he might make it. Lord knows what form the Veterans' Committee will be in by the time he'd get that far, much less the attitudes of the souls comprising it. I won't say never, but right now, it sure appears unlikely. As a previous poster noted, he wasn't on pace for the HOF until the steroid era took off (97-98 or so), and then at an advanced age he jumped into the picture. Add to that the fact he's been proven to have juiced after his sanctimonious testimony denying it before Congress, well, he's the guy who catches the most heat over juicing behind Bonds.

Jim Albright

[flash143817]

Him getting in would be a case of misuse of raw stats. He was a good player for a long time in a hitter's era and it allowed him to compile some nice totals, but he was a good, not great, player.

And I'm not anti-steroid like most people, but that cloud will stay over his head in most voters' minds, whether it should be or not.

[JimAbbott]

How about a separate Hall of Fame for juiced greats to be enshrined? Palmeiro, McGwire and Sosa 1st ballot HOFers

[JimAbbott]

There is no possible way to dispute Palmeiro's numbers of being hall worthy when you take juice out of the equation. To suggest such a thing is totally and completely ludicrous. I suppose Eddie Eddie Murray aint worthy too

[Mariano_Rivera]

How about a separate Hall of Fame for juiced greats to be enshrined? Palmeiro, McGwire and Sosa 1st ballot HOFers
Tickets wouldn`t seel very well now would they, now on the other hand if it gets put in San Fransisco...

I would say his numbers are first balot HoFer numbers but then I looked at them more closely and after making adjustments for era his numbers are amazing after all. In fact his EQA numbers look very similar to Bernie Williams who is pretty much a consensus NO for the hoF. Bernie also had fairly good defense in his prime so I don`t know how you justify putting a 1B/DH with good ofensive numbers similar to the offensive numbers of an above average fielding centerfielder in to the HoF when the second player is considered a great Yankee but the notion of him being a HoFer is ridiculous. Throw in the fact that Palmeiro was a cheater I don`t think he deserves the honor of being a HoFer at all.

Actually I take this back Palmeiro is a lot better than Bernie and his numbers are probably HoF worthy but in order for a juicer to get in he has to have been not only indisputably the greatest at his position of his era and their has to be an indicator that he would have HoF numbers even without the steroids. Their is none of this for Palmeiro IMO and even then I don`t think any juicers should be allowed in the HoF without a ticket but if they meet the above criteria then I can sort of accept it.

[jalbright]

I would say his numbers are first balot HoFer numbers but then I looked at them more closely and after making adjustments for era his numbers are amazing after all. In fact his EQA numbers look very similar to Bernie Williams who is pretty much a consensus NO for the hoF. Bernie also had fairly good defense in his prime so I don`t know how you justify putting a 1B/DH with good ofensive numbers similar to the offensive numbers of an above average fielding centerfielder in to the HoF when the second player is considered a great Yankee but the notion of him being a HoFer is ridiculous. Throw in the fact that Palmeiro was a cheater I don`t think he deserves the honor of being a HoFer at all.

Actually I take this back Palmeiro is a lot better than Bernie and his numbers are probably HoF worthy but in order for a juicer to get in he has to have been not only indisputably the greatest at his position of his era and their has to be an indicator that he would have HoF numbers even without the steroids. Their is none of this for Palmeiro IMO and even then I don`t think any juicers should be allowed in the HoF without a ticket but if they meet the above criteria then I can sort of accept it.

I can't react to this post, as I am unclear what you are trying to say here. :noidea Could you clarify?

Jim Albright

[Fuzzy Bear]

He wasn't really HOF caliber in the early (presumably clean) part of his career. A good case can be made that he would not have HOF numbers without the steroids, so he may never get in.

Palmiero was originally a contact hitter with doubles power who forsook some BA for HR power, beginning in 1990. He also played in the easiest stadiums later in his career, plus, the 1990s were homer-fueled for more reasons than just Vitamin S.

As time passes, Palmiero's stats will be too much to deny. His actions will not be seen as this huge sin, and his numbers will take center stage. There would be no precedent for denying a player with Palmiero's stats the HOF, and I doubt that even the steroid issue will stand in the way of that.

I'm going to say this now: The MLB Steroid Scandal will, over time, become a tempest in a teapot. It will NEVER reach the heights of the Black Sox scandal. Never. MLB will make this go away, and once the grandstanders in Congress find other causes, this will not be a big deal on Capitol Hill. One way or another, however, MLB WILL make this scandal go away.