September 2006 BBF HOF voting thread

[jalbright]

Let the voting begin! For anyone who has not participated before, please read the rules posted here Link to Rules (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=660991&postcount=2)


Please note that this month the minimum contributor ballot is now zero (0) votes.

Other information of note is who is in the BBF HOF.

players and contributors in the BBF HOF listed by category (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=660992&postcount=3)

players and contributors in the BBF HOF listed alphabetically (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=661002&postcount=4)

Last month's results are posted. You are requested to pay particular attention to those individuals receiving 50% or more of the vote last month, as they are the most likely candidates to be elected this month. In fact, I have specific posts on players and contributors receiving 50% or more of last month's vote:

Players with half or more of last month's vote (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=661187&postcount=8)

Contributors with half or more of last month's vote (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=661188&postcount=9)

Players results from last month (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=661033&postcount=5)

Contributors results from last month (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=661174&postcount=6)

Jim Albright

[jalbright]

My September 2006 ballot

key:
red=Japanese League
blue=Negro Leagues
green=19th century

No players change, and Vin Scully replaces the (finally) elected Buck O'Neill

Contributors:


1. Ed Bolden (Negro Leagues owner/commissioner)
2. Buck Canel
3. Harry Caray
4. Vic Harris
5. Hughie Jennings
6, Dr. Frank Jobe
7. Paul Krichell
8. Billy Martin
9. Shigeru Mizuhara (Japan)
10. Lefty O'Doul
11. Vin Scully
12. Matsutaro Shoriki (Japan)
13. C. I. Taylor
14. Kazuto Tsuruoka (managed 23 years in Japan, most wins by a manager in Japan, 11 pennants, 2 before Japan Series began, won 2 Japan Series titles, .500 or better 21 times)
15. George Weiss


Players

1. Akira Bessho, p (Japan)
2. Willard Brown, of
3. Max Carey, of
4. Will Clark, 1b
5. Bobby Doerr, 2b
6. Don Drysdale, p
7. Hugh Duffy, of
8. Rollie Fingers, p
9. Elmer Flick, of
10. Bill Freehan, c
11. Frank Grant, 2b
12. Burleigh Grimes, p
13. Isao Harimoto, of (Japan)
14. Pete Hill, of
15. Kazuhisa Inao p (Japan)
16. Ted Lyons, p
17. Carl Mays, p
18. Dobie Moore, ss
19. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
20. Dave Parker, of
21. Cannonball Dick Redding, p
22. Red Ruffing p
23. Victor Starffin p (Japan)
24. Don Sutton, p
25. George Wright, ss


Jim Albright

[538280]

Players
1.Sal Bando
2.John Beckwith
3.Albert Belle
4.Bobby Bonds
5.Willard Brown
6.Max Carey
7.Cesar Cedeno
8.Orlando Cepeda
9.Will Clark
10.Darrell Evans
11.Wes Ferrell
12.Bill Freehan
13.Heinie Groh
14.Isao Harimoto
15.Keith Hernandez
16.Ted Lyons
17.Carl Mays
18.Edgar Martinez
19.Dave Parker
20.Dick Redding
21.Don Sutton
22.Dave Stieb
23.Victor Starfinn
24.George Wright
25.Jimmy Wynn

Contributors
1.Al Barlick
2.Ed Bolden
3.Harry Caray
4.Curt Flood
5.John B. Foster
6.Hugh Fullerton
7.Hughie Jennings
8.Paul Krichell
9.Ring Lardner
10.Leo Mazzone
11.Lee MacPhail
12.Vin Scully
13.George Steinbrenner
14.C.I. Taylor
15.George Weiss

[leecemark]

Players - no changes here and it would take a compelling argument to get one

Beckwith, J
Bennett, C.
Boyer, K.
Carey, M
Cepeda, O
Doerr, B
Doyle, L.
Ferrell, W.
Freehan, B
Glasscock, J
Harimoto, I
Hernandez, K.
Hill, P
Inao, K
Lyons, T
Mays, C.
McGriff, F
Nettles, G
Redding, D
Rice, J.
Rousch
Parker, D.
Stephens, V.
Sutton, D.
Wright, G

Contributors - O'Neil graduates from my ballot, shrinking it even further. Lots of space available if someone can convince me their candidate is worthy

Evans, B.
Jennings
Schuerholtz
Taylor, C.I.

[catcher24]

Jim, you mean we'll go to the 26th of September, correct?

[1905 Giants]

Disregard This

[catcher24]

September ballot

Player's Ballot

Ken Boyer – 3B
Willard Brown – OF
Pete Browning - OF
Jim Bunning - P
Max Carey – OF
Bob Caruthers - P
Leon Day – P
Bobby Doerr – 2B
Don Drysdale – P
Hugh Duffy – OF
Elmer Flick – OF
Bill Freehan – C
Ulysses F. “Frank” Grant – 2B
J. Preston “Pete” Hill - OF
Addie Joss – P
Joe Kelley – OF
Ted Lyons - P
Carl Mays – P
Dan Quisenberry - P
Dick Redding – P
Sam Rice - OF
Bobby Wallace - OF
Mickey Welch – P
Lou Whitaker – 2B
George Wright – SS

Non - Players Ballot

Buck Canel - Broadcaster
Nestor Chylak – Umpire
Jacques Doucet – Broadcaster
Hughie Jennings – Player/Manager
Davey Johnson - Manager
Paul Krichell - Scout
Leo Mazzone - Coach
Lawrence Ritter – Author
Vin Scully – Broadcaster
C.I. Taylor – Negro Leagues
George Weiss - Executive
Tom Yawkey - Executive

[jalbright]

Catcher,

Thanks for pointing that out. Cut and paste is helpful, but editing is sometimes necessary--and I forgot the last step. The editing has now been done.

Jim Albright

[2Chance]

Players
Sal Bando
Albert Belle
Charlie Bennett
Willard Brown
Pete Browning
Max Carey
Perucho Cepeda
Bobby Doerr
Don Drysdale
Hugh Duffy
Bill Freehan
Pete Hill
Isao Harimoto
Kazuhisa Inao
Ted Lyons
Dave Parker
Dan Quisenberry
Cannonball Dick Redding
Hilton Smith
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Don Sutton
Mickey Welch
Lou Whitaker
George Wright

Contributors
Buck Canel
Jacques Doucet
John B. Foster
Hughie Jennings
Davey Johnson
Paul Krichell
Jorge Pasquel
Alfred J. Reach
John Schuerholtz
Vin Scully
George Steinbrenner
C.I. Taylor
Kazuto Tsuruoka
Ty Tyson
George Weiss

[TheSlaff]

My last ballot until next spring. :waving
A new job will keep me in school full-time ... more than full-time.

PLAYERS

Ross Barnes
Albert Belle
Charlie Bennett
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer
Pete Browning
Max Carey
Bob Caruthers
Bobby Doerr
Don Drysdale
Hugh Duffy
Wes Ferrell
Bill Freehan
Heinie Groh
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Ted Lyons
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Dick Redding
Sam Rice
Vern Stephens
Bruce Sutter
Hack Wilson
George Wright

CONTRIBUTORS

Ed Bolden
Buck Canel
Harry Caray
Jacques Doucet: He was for 33 years, from 1972 to 2004, the legendary French radio play-by-play voice for the Montreal Expos. Over his career, Doucet described more than 5,500 Major League Baseball games … He’s the most important icon in association with the Expos. He also did a tremendous and essential job while taking part in the translation of an American baseball game to a different language and culture. He generated passions, dreams, emotions, love for baseball for every French-Canadian-baseball-and-Expos-fans.
For us, he's as important as Mel Allen and Red Barber.
Curt Flood
John B. Foster
Hughie Jennings
Frank Jobe
Paul Krichell
Billy Martin
Lefty O’Doul
Vin Scully
Matsutaro Shoriki
C.I. Taylor
George Weiss

:gt

[Tram2Lou]

Players:
Charlie Bennett
Ken Boyer
Jim Bunning
Max Carey
Orlando Cepeda
Will Clark
Kiki Cuyler
Bobby Doerr
Don Drysdale
Hugh Duffy
Bill Freehan
George Kell
Chuck Klein
Heinie Manush
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Jack Morris
Dave Parker
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Bruce Sutter
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant
Mickey Welch
Lou Whitaker


Contributors:
Jack Brickhouse
Jack Buck
Buck Canel
Harry Caray
Happy Chandler
Ford Frick
Bucky Harris
Russ Hodges
Hughie Jennings
Billy Martin
Vin Scully
C.I. Taylor
Ty Tyson
George Weiss

[Senor Octobre]

Players...

Aparicio, Luis
Beckley, Jake
Belle, Albert
Browning, Pete
Doerr, Bobby
Fingers, Rollie
Grant, Frank
Harimoto, Isao
Inao, Kazuhisa
John, Tommy
McGriff, Fred
Oliver, Al
Parker, Dave
Perez, Tony
Quisenberry, Dan
Rice, Jim
Rice, Sam
Ryan, Jimmy
Smith, Lee
Stephens, Vern
Sutter, Bruce
Tiant, Luis
Van Haltren, George
Welch, Mickey
Whitaker, Lou

Contributors...

Doucet, Jacques
Flood, Curtis
Gowdy, Curt
Jennings, Hughie
Jobe, Frank
Scully, Vin

[baseballPAP]

As per my usual style....I'll jump in with both feet.
Players:
John Beckwith
Albert Belle
Charlie Bennett
Pete Browning
Cupid Childs
Kiki Cuyler
Hugh Duffy
Darrell Evans
Wes Ferrell
Rollie Fingers
Isao Harimoto
Keith Hernandez
John Hiller
Frank Howard
Bob Johnson-compares very favorably to DiMaggio. If Joe is a slam-dunk HOFer, then Johnson is a layup in traffic.
Joe Kelley
Mike Marshall
Edgar Martinez
Fred McGriff
Bid McPhee
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Dick Redding
Joe Sewell
Hilton Smith
Victor Starfinn

Contributors:
Harry Caray
Jacques Doucet
Hugh Jennings
Lefty O'Doul
Vin Scully
George Stienbrenner
CI Taylor
The San Diego Chicken(yes, I'm serious)

[Freakshow]

I made one concession to the log jam, dropping Hardy Richardson, who debuted on my ballot last month (and mine was his only vote), and adding Bill Freehan. That's about all I can do, since I'm already voting for the seven guys who finished ahead of Freehan.

A new record for average months on my ballot, 7.9 up from 7.0. This will likely grow as the electorate and mysef differ on whom we see as the Hall's lower tier. The top five that I think the electorate is missing: 1) Lou Whitaker, 2) George Gore, 3) Red Faber, 4) Darrell Evans, 5-tie) Bid McPhee and Bobby Wallace.

6 Barnes-2B*
2 Belle-LF*
11 Boyer K-3B*
5 Carey-CF
10 Doerr-2B
11 Drysdale D-P
10 Evans Da.-3B*
9 Faber-P
7 Ferrell W-P*
3 Flick-RF
1 Freehan B-C*
3 Glasscock-SS*
9 Gore-CF*
5 Kelley-LF
13 Lyons T-P
4 McGriff F-1B*
9 McPhee-2B
2 Perez-1B
6 Rixey-P
7 Ruffing-P
16 Sutton D-P
9 Wallace-SS
16 Whitaker-2B*
16 Wright Geo-SS
3 Wynn J.-CF*
7.9 ave mos on ballot

* = not a member of the Coop HOF
bold = member of the Hall of Merit

[Honus Wagner]

Players (25)
Luis Aparicio
Ross Barnes
Chief Bender
Max Carey
Bob Caruthers
Jack Chesbro
Bobby Doerr
Hugh Duffy
Nellie Fox
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Heinie Manush
Carl Mays
Bill Mazeroski
Jim McCormick
Ed McKean
Cal McVey
Tony Mullane
Tip O'Neill
Jim Rice
Red Ruffing
Jesse Tannehill
Mickey Welch
Hack Wilson
George Wright

Contributors (12)
Emmett Ashford
Happy Chandler
Nestor Chylak
Jocko Conlon
Bill Dineen
Jacques Doucet
Ford Frick
Doug Harvey
Jim Mutrie
Johnny Pesky
Bob Sheppard
George Weiss

[Captain Cold Nose]

John Beckwith
Albert Belle
Willard Brown
Max Carey
Bob Caruthers
Kiki Cuyler
Leon Day
Bobby Doerr
Rollie Fingers
Burleigh Grimes
Isao Harimoto
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Ted Lyons
Heinie Manush
Jose Mendez
Dick Redding
Sam Rice
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Hilton Smith
Victor Starffin
Bruce Sutter
Mickey Welch
George Wright




Non-Players

Al Barlick
Ed Bolden
Happy Chandler
Nestor Chylak
Jocko Conlan
Billy Evans
John B. Foster
Ford Frick
Cal Hubbard
Ring Lardner
Grantland Rice
Vin Scully
Red Smith
C.I. Taylor
George Weiss

[abacab]

The number next to the name is the number of appearances on my ballot.

Jake Beckley - 3
Jim Bunning - 9
Max Carey - 14
Bobby Doerr - 6
Don Drysdale - 6
Darrell Evans - 2
Red Faber - 8
Wes Ferrell - 9
Rollie Fingers - 11
Elmer Flick - 13
Jack Glasscock - 5
Isao Harimoto - 7
Keith Hernandez - 4
Pete Hill - 5
Joe Kelley - 8
Ted Lyons - 8
Bid McPhee - 5
Tony Perez - 7
Eppa Rixey - 5
Red Ruffing - 7
Bruce Sutter - 3
Don Sutton - 2
Bobby Wallace - 10
Lou Whitaker - 5
George Wright - 9

[Eastvanmungo]

Players

Albert Belle
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Max Carey
Bob Caruthers
Will Clark
Hugh Duffy
Rollie Fingers
Elmer Flick
Bill Freehan
Burleigh Grimes
Isao Harimoto
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Ted Lyons
Edgar Martinez
Carl Mays
Dan Quisenberry
Red Ruffing
Bruce Sutter
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant
Mickey Welch
George Wright
Jimmy Wynn


Non-Players

Jim Bouton - author
Harry Caray - announcer
Jacques Doucet - announcer
Curt Flood - free agent wannabe
Hughie Jennings - manager
Dr. Frank Jobe - developed Tommy John Surgery
Ring Lardner - writer
Billy Martin - manager
Jack Norworth - wrote "Take Me Out To The Ballgame"

Grantland Rice - writer
Paul Richards - builder
Lawrence Ritter - author
C.I. Taylor - Negro League pioneer
Ernest Thayer - wrote "Casey at the Bat"
Kazuto Tsuruoka - manager

Please note I edited a duplicate listing of Tsuruoka out of the list at the space between Norworth and Grantland Rice. Jim Albright

[CardinalsForever]

Players:

Albert Belle
Jim Bunning
Orlando Cepeda
Will Clark
Don Drysdale
Darrel Evans
Tony Fernandez
Rollie Fingers
Bill Freehan
Tommy John
Edgar Martinez
Don Mattingly
Bill Mazeroski
Fred McGriff
Jack Morris
Dave Parker
Dan Quisenberry
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Dave Stieb
Bruce Sutter
Don Sutton
Luis Tiant
Lou Whitaker
Hack Wilson

Non-Players:

Jack Buck
Augie Busch
Harry Carey
Jacques Doucet
Curt Flood
Frank Jobe
Davey Johnson
Tom Kelly
Billy Martin
Lefty O'Doul
Lou Piniella
John Schuerholtz
Vin Scully
George Steinbrenner
C.I. Taylor

[Brad Harris]

Players
John Beckwith
Albert Belle
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer
Max Carey
Will Clark
Bobby Doerr
Darrell Evans
Wes Ferrell
Bill Freehan
George Gore
Isao Harimoto
Kazuhisa Inao
Bob Johnson
Joe Kelley
Ted Lyons
Edgar Martinez
Dan Quisenberry
Dave Parker
Dick Redding
Don Sutton
Mickey Welch
Lou Whitaker
George Wright
Jimmy Wynn

Contributors
Ed Bolden
John B. Foster
Hughie Jennings
Dave Johnson
Paul Krichell
Billy Martin
Leo Mazzone
Lefty O'Doul
John Schuerholtz
Vin Scully
Matsutaro Shoriki
George Steinbrenner
C.I. Taylor
Kazuto Tsuruoka
George Weiss

[dgarza]

Luis Aparicio
Ross Barnes
Jake Beckley
Albert Belle
Pete Browning
Hugh Duffy
Nellie Fox
Lefty Gomez
Isao Harimoto
Bob Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Bobby Mathews
Jim McCormick
Cal McVey
Dave Parker
Dick Redding
Jim Rice
Al Rosen
Lee Smith
Don Sutton
Bobby Veach
Mickey Welch
George Wright
-------------------
Buck Canel
Harry Caray
Curt Flood
Ford Frick
Hugh Fullerton
Gus Greenlee
Charlie Grimm
Bucky Harris
Hugh Jennings
Ring Lardner
A.G. Mills
Jim Mutrie
Jack Norworth
George Steinbrenner
Ernest Lawrence Thayer

[J W]

here's my ballot... not much change from last month:

Players Ballot

Albert Belle
Jake Beckley
Bobby Bonds
Ken Boyer
Orlando Cepeda
Will Clark
Bobby Doerr
Don Drysdale
Hugh Duffy
Rollie Fingers
Bill Freehan
Nellie Fox
Frank Grant
Heinie Groh
Hughie Jennings
Addie Joss
Tommy Leach
Carl Mays
Edd Roush
Jimmy Ryan
Hilton Smith
Lee Smith
Bruce Sutter
George Van Haltren
Lou Whitaker

Non-Players Ballot

Al Barlick
Jack Buck
Buck Canel
Nestor Chylak
Jacques Doucet
Cal Hubbard
Paul Krichell
Grantland Rice
John Schuerholz
Vin Scully
George Steinbrenner
C.I. Taylor
Kazuto Tsuruoka
George Weiss
George Wright

...even if no one is elected I'd like to see the results so we all know where we stand post-hydra. I think we can still do this.

:gt

[AG2004]

My September 2006 ballot:

PLAYERS
Sal Bando
Akira Bessho
Bobby Bonds
Willard Brown
Jim Bunning
Max Carey
Perucho Cepeda
Will Clark
Nellie Fox
Bill Freehan
Frank Grant
Heinie Groh
Isao Harimoto
Pete Hill
Kazuhisa Inao
Ted Lyons
Carl Mays
Jose Mendez
Dobie Moore
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Dave Parker
Dickey Pearce
Victor Starffin
Joe Start
George Wright

I produced my own Keltner lists for Carey and Doerr. I decided Carey was worthy of induction, while Doerr wasn't.

By my count, Carey and Wright are now at 14 votes out of 19 ballots.

NON-PLAYERS BALLOT
Ed Bolden
Buck Canel
Vic Harris
Cal Hubbard
Hughie Jennings
Frank Jobe
Paul Krichell
Ring Lardner
Dickey Pearce
Rafael “Felo” Ramirez
Vin Scully
Matsutaro Shoriki
C.I. Taylor
Kazuto Tsuruoka
George Weiss