Which GMs Should Be Fired?

[Hammerin Hank]

Evrey few days I see a thread complaining about how a GM is ruining a team, so I'd like to get a general consensus on who BBF thinks should be fired.

[TheKingofKings]

Mr. Wreckage , Jeffrey Loria.

[Hammerin Hank]

I changed it from owners to GMs.

I accidentally listed two GMs for Cleveland. Could a mod please change Bill Bavasi to "Sea" instead of "Cle"? Thanks.

[Hammerin Hank]

I don't understand the votes for Ken Williams.

[Mattingly]

I don't know who Mike Dee is, but I think that Theo Epstein should've improved his rotation. Schilling will very easily win 20 games this season, but beyond him, it's not looking like Beckett will complement him by being the #2 starter. I see a major hole there.

I wouldn't say fired, but I think he should've tried working a deal or two to get someone onto the team, which he'd done in the past.

[Astro]

Brian Cashman.... because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out you need to trade for pitching when you have an entire lineup of all-stars... not more hitting

[Hammerin Hank]

I don't know who Mike Dee is, but I think that Theo Epstein should've improved his rotation. Schilling will very easily win 20 games this season, but beyond him, it's not looking like Beckett will complement him by being the #2 starter. I see a major hole there.

I wouldn't say fired, but I think he should've tried working a deal or two to get someone onto the team, which he'd done in the past.

Uh, go ahead and change that to Theo Epsetin then. I guess I read it wrong.:o

[flash143817]

Ned Colletti...his complete incompetence saves the KC or Pitt guys from getting a vote from me...

[VTSoxFan]

Uh, go ahead and change that to Theo Epsetin then. I guess I read it wrong.:o

I'll fix it. Mike Dee is the Chief Operating Officer of the Sox (and kind of a scary looking dude, too).

I also fixed the title since the poll is about GMs, not team owners now.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Wow. Dayton Moore got votes. A month on the job, making fans on Braves Journal whine and moan about how Moore was stockpiling young arms and how they wished he could take Schuerholz's place, and now people here want to can him. :laugh

[Sluggerrr]

I don't understand how he has 3 votes...

[SamtheBravesFan]

I don't understand how he has 3 votes...

I don't either. Have people forgotten that Moore is a replacement for Allard Baird, the man who did get the boot?

[jpenrod]

I don't either. Have people forgotten that Moore is a replacement for Allard Baird, the man who did get the boot?

My guess is that they do not know Dayton Moore is a recent hire. All they see is how bad the Royals are and figure the GM needs to be fired. Maybe HammerinHank can explain it.

[SamtheBravesFan]

My guess is that they do not know Dayton Moore is a recent hire. All they see is how bad the Royals are and figure the GM needs to be fired. Maybe HammerinHank can explain it.

He doesn't have to. That pretty much hits the nail on the head. :)

[Hammerin Hank]

I'll fix it. Mike Dee is the Chief Operating Officer of the Sox (and kind of a scary looking dude, too).

I also fixed the title since the poll is about GMs, not team owners now.

Thanks. Greatly appreciated. I guess it was kind of early in the morning.:p

[Hammerin Hank]

My guess is that they do not know Dayton Moore is a recent hire. All they see is how bad the Royals are and figure the GM needs to be fired. Maybe HammerinHank can explain it.

I fall into that category. I didn't know he was a recent hire.

[Hammerin Hank]

Littlefield, Hendry, Angelos, and Sabean lead early on. I guess there's no surprise there.

[rockin500]

why is angelos on the list? he's an owner, not a GM. their GM's are actually not that bad when allowed to do their job.

[Mattingly]

Brian Cashman.... because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out you need to trade for pitching when you have an entire lineup of all-stars... not more hitting
Actually, Brian Cashman did just trade for pitching. His handiwork paid off on Thursday, in that Corey Lidle got the win. In that same deal, he'd also gotten Bobby Abreu from Philly.

I wouldn't say an entire team of All-Stars (OK, so maybe most of them have played in the mid-season classic), but Lidle's shown he can eat innings, which pushed Sidney Ponson to the bullpen and that, I believe, made our entire pitching staff much more potent.
why is angelos on the list? he's an owner, not a GM. their GM's are actually not that bad when allowed to do their job.
That's my complaint about Brian Cashman also. He's finally getting some leeway to get players. Unlike Big Stein, he doesn't show up offering the best farm guys for any vet well past his prime.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Francisco Liriano! 'Nuff said. FIRED SABEAN!!!!!!! :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy

[SamtheBravesFan]

Why the hell did Dayton Moore get two more votes?!

[Sluggerrr]

f it, deleted :)

[jpenrod]

Why the hell did Dayton Moore get two more votes?!

:confused:

At this point I am assuming that anyone that votes for dayton more without explaining it, is simply uninformed and is voting for him simply because he is the current GM of the Royals. :rolleyes:

[Hammerin Hank]

:confused:

At this point I am assuming that anyone that votes for dayton more without explaining it, is simply uninformed and is voting for him simply because he is the current GM of the Royals. :rolleyes:

I believe so too. Count out my vote for him.:p

[Chisox73]

There's no way that I would vote Drayton Mooore to be fired. In fact,the Royals have played much better than thier 13-37 start since he became GM.

Since being hired,the Royals offense has ranked near the top of the AL in many categories since June 30.

To me,if anyone deserves to be shown the door,it's Cubs GM Jim Hendry.The team has taken steps backwards since 2003.

[rockin500]

There's no way that I would vote Drayton Mooore to be fired. In fact,the Royals have played much better than thier 13-37 start since he became GM.

Since being hired,the Royals offense has ranked near the top of the AL in many categories since June 30.

To me,if anyone deserves to be shown the door,it's Cubs GM Jim Hendry.The team has taken steps backwards since 2003.
thats who i voted for eric. along with Littlefield, since he likes to get reamed by both Hendry and everyone else.

[EvanAparra]

Who voted for Cashman...im a bosox fan and i would never vote for him... especially after the deals he made this year...and i looove that everyone is bashing on Beckett... he has a bad ERA and has given up a lot of HRs this year, and still has 13 wins! he has been absolutely dominant at times and is what 25-26? He won a WS MVP at 23....great move by the sox to give him an extension. hes not having a great year...give him time...he'll prove himself in the playoffs if they make it.

[jpenrod]

Who voted for Cashman...im a bosox fan and i would never vote for him... especially after the deals he made this year...and i looove that everyone is bashing on Beckett... he has a bad ERA and has given up a lot of HRs this year, and still has 13 wins! he has been absolutely dominant at times and is what 25-26? He won a WS MVP at 23....great move by the sox to give him an extension. hes not having a great year...give him time...he'll prove himself in the playoffs if they make it.

well if you want to question other peoples selection allow me to ask you why would you select Dayton Moore when he has only been on the job for two months? if you anser that question you may have the answer to your own question. It is possible Whoever voted forcashman did so justbecause he is the GM for the Yankees, then again they probably have a better explanation than you would have for firing a guy twom months into the job.:rolleyes:

[baseball junkie]

I voted for Hendry, Colletti & Littlefield.

Automatically I exempted general managers who put together a team that won a World Series, i.e. Ken Williams. Also I exempted GM's with long track records of success, i.e. Billy Beane. GM's with short tenures got the benefit of the doubt, i.e. Dayton Moore.

Of the three GM's I would fire, Littlefield is by far the worst. He has that beautiful "cash-machine" PNC Park and the Pirates are in a mid-size market. He's been GM for over five years (hired 7/13/01) and has done absolutely nothing to improve the Pirates. Say what you want about his predecessor, Cam Bonifay, but at least he played an important role in getting PNC Park built.

I don't think Frank McCourt, owner of the Dodgers, has any clue what he's doing in L.A. He gives Paul DePodesta a five year contract and then fires him two years into it. He then passes on hiring the highly qualified Kim Ng, at the time the Dodgers' assistant GM, to hire the rival Giants' assistant GM Ned Colletti. Colletti has just been making one boneheaded move after another since taking over the job, like trading Joel Guzman for Julio Lugo. He's the exception to my tenure exemption.

Jim Hendry, the enigma, steals Derrek Lee from the Marlins for Hee Seop Choi. Yet depends year after year on the arms of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior. He doesn't seem to be able to find a closer. He depends on guys like Joe Borowski, LaTroy Hawkins and Ryan Dempster -- who's already blown five save opportunities this year. Cubs ownership doesn't seem to care if the team wins or not. That could be the problem. But that doesn't let Hendry off the hook.

[SamtheBravesFan]

... for those who keep voting for Dayton Moore, I think there is something wrong with your brain.

But hey, if he does get fired, maybe the Braves can hire him back as an assisstant GM. :laugh

[SamtheBravesFan]

Interesting to see who the untouchables are. I'm even more amazed it took this long for someone to vote for John Schuerholz.

[baseball junkie]

Dayton Moore is pretty much like every other Kansas City GM, a scapegoat for horrible ownership. It's too bad MLB doesn't attempt to force franchises to actually attempt to be competitive.

But I'm sure two or three years from now Moore will be fired and the KC media and fans will blame the fate of the miserable franchise on him.

Dave Dombrowski is definitely the flavor of the month. If this poll had been conducted last year he'd have at least 20 votes already.

[baseball junkie]

Who voted for John Schuerholz? One World Series Championship and 14 straight division titles not good enough for you?

Explain please....

[SamtheBravesFan]

Who voted for John Schuerholz? One World Series Championship and 14 straight division titles not good enough for you?

Explain please....

I'll tell you why, even though I didn't vote for him. Because it appears that Schuerholz did absolutely nothing to fix the bullpen problem in the off-seasons or seasons of 2004 and 2005. The bullpen that was projected to be made into this season had a rash of injuries and had to be thrown together with minor-league rejects; no trades were made for proven relievers. The pen has blown quite a few winnable games this season. Plus, Chris Reitsma and Jorge Sosa were on the roster for too long.

There is also the matter of John not getting a bona-fide leadoff hitter and Todd Pratt being the right-handed catcher.

Too little, too late syndrome, I assume.

[jpenrod]

Who voted for John Schuerholz? One World Series Championship and 14 straight division titles not good enough for you?

Explain please....


I tend to disagee with Sam on this issue, but it will not be the first time we have disagreed with issues on the Braves.

I think to answer the question you ask you could take a look at the one person that did vote for JS and notice they are a mets fan. Unless they want to offer a better explanation (which they may have valid reasons I do not know) I am assuming it is sour grapes.

[Brian McKenna]

I'll go with Mike Flanagan who with all the broken blood vessels in his face and his bright red glow looks like he spends more time at the bar than the office.

[FatAngel]

The reason for his appearance may well be Angelos.
I actually like him being in this poll, although he´s not a GM. There will only be hope again for O´s fans if he sells the team. As long as he owns this franchise, every O´s GM is bound to fail.

[Mariano_Rivera]

Hendry and Littlefield get my vote. My 4 favorites are the Braves, Yankees, Red Sox and A's by the way.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I tend to disagee with Sam on this issue, but it will not be the first time we have disagreed with issues on the Braves.

I think to answer the question you ask you could take a look at the one person that did vote for JS and notice they are a mets fan. Unless they want to offer a better explanation (which they may have valid reasons I do not know) I am assuming it is sour grapes.

All right, there is that. I just assumed that whoever voted for JS had a good reason to.

[Brian McKenna]

The reason for his appearance may well be Angelos.
I actually like him being in this poll, although he´s not a GM. There will only be hope again for O´s fans if he sells the team. As long as he owns this franchise, every O´s GM is bound to fail.

Agreed.......

[Imapotato]

Actually, Brian Cashman did just trade for pitching. His handiwork paid off on Thursday, in that Corey Lidle got the win. In that same deal, he'd also gotten Bobby Abreu from Philly.

I wouldn't say an entire team of All-Stars (OK, so maybe most of them have played in the mid-season classic), but Lidle's shown he can eat innings, which pushed Sidney Ponson to the bullpen and that, I believe, made our entire pitching staff much more potent.

That's my complaint about Brian Cashman also. He's finally getting some leeway to get players. Unlike Big Stein, he doesn't show up offering the best farm guys for any vet well past his prime.


Lidle is very underrated

But then again #5 guys are

He is a guy that will give you a good chance to win the game, he gives up little HRs and doesn't walk alot of guys

He is not a guy you want pitching in the postseason, but less of a heartache when he is on the mound in the regular season

He is not a Sidney Ponson, where one sees him pitching and says "Oh well, we will lose today most likely, but Mussina is pitching tomorrow"

I can't believe no one picked Armagost of the Rockies

His biggest acquisitions this year were JOSE MESA and JOSH FOGG

The Padres won the divison with a .500 record last year!!! Make some moves, get into the playoffs....this guy sat on his hands

Then he trades Ryan Sheely and Dohmann for Bautista and Affeldt!! Rhose guys stunk in Kaufmann stadium...now you want them to pitch at Coors? and not one of them throws a sinker and I am pretty sure Dohmann throws a splitter...which is a ground out pitch, perfect for Coors

Then Josh Byrnes in Ari...his big deal was Livan Hernandez, an overused P, who has no more in the tank for a great prospect in Garrett Mock

Bowden in WAS and Bavasi in Sea also got my vote


Pat Gillick gets a pass, because Philly Phans know all GMs here have no power....he is supposed to get something for salary dumps...and we will continue to stink, but have a 60 million dollar payroll, meaning the owners makes a 40 % profit instead of just 25%

[SamtheBravesFan]

And Dayton Moore is still getting votes. Fine, fine. I can't stop stupidity or ignorance.

[Zito75]

Bill Bavasi. The dude goes out and gets Sexson and Beltre for a bazillion dollars, but does nothing to strengthen the pitching staff. Then signs Carl Everett? Please...

[Hammerin Hank]

I'm very pleased to see so much support for the firing of Jim Hendry. :)

[Honus Wagner]

great thread...
why does theo get a pass? larry "lucky" lucchino had him out on his arse and that sap john henry cried and cried and threatened to kill himself if theo didn't come back

theo's love of coco crisp will be his downfall

btw, i drank at lunch

[flash143817]

Although I would disagree horribly with such a vote, I am surprised that there aren't any anti-Moneyball people voting for Billy Beane.

Also surprised at no votes for Bill Stoneman. Was the Bart Colon contract really a good idea in everyone's minds? What about Jeff Weaver? Or Orlando Cabrera before the on base streak? Seems like Stoneman is getting a big time free pass here.

[Imapotato]

Ugh terrible results

Dayton Moore? The guy just freaking got rid of head cases, kept Sweeney, got young guys for washed up vets and got vets for propsects that will amount to AAAA players

Jim Hendry? The guy is stuck...he can't do anything with Prior and Wood but hope they get healthy. He got Pierre one of the best leadoff guys...who then proceeded to stink. He got a great defensive SS in Itzturis for a HOF P with nothing left in the tank, picked up Aramis Ramirez, Jacque Jones.

Oh and he is the reason Carlos Zambrano is with the Cubbies

He and Dusty are getting a raw deal in Chicago

[SamtheBravesFan]

Ugh terrible results

Dayton Moore? The guy just freaking got rid of head cases, kept Sweeney, got young guys for washed up vets and got vets for propsects that will amount to AAAA players


Like I said. Ignorance or stupidity.

[Wade8813]

Bill Bavasi. The dude goes out and gets Sexson and Beltre for a bazillion dollars, but does nothing to strengthen the pitching staff. Then signs Carl Everett? Please... I'm not sure if I agree or not about axing Bavasi, but it isn't for the reasons you mentioned. In hindsight, getting Sexson and Beltre is bad, but most people I heard were glad when it first happened. It was a risk that failed, but you have to make risks.

Believe it or not, stuff has been done for the pitching staff. Plus, the rash of injuries to M's pitchers isn't something you'd necessarily expect.

[EvanAparra]

I wasnt aware Dayton Moore had only been on the job for two months, i was really just voting for the Royals franchise, for taking advantage of teams like the yankees, revenue sharing, and not spending the money they get.

[Erik Bedard]

Peter Angelos isn't a GM, he's an owner, but he should be fired. Also, I voted for Moore because I meant to vote for the Colorado guy, but I clicked in the wrong box.

[ACrank]

didnt read the post above mine when i posted - can this be deleted please?

[SamtheBravesFan]

Peter Angelos isn't a GM, he's an owner, but he should be fired. Also, I voted for Moore because I meant to vote for the Colorado guy, but I clicked in the wrong box.

I'll excuse that. :)