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raysnbran
08-02-2006, 05:05 AM
He talks about maybe even walking away from baseball forever. Continues to blame everyone but himself for his problems. :grouchy

posted 08-01-2006 10:39 PM
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This certainly isnt good:

Dukes Heads Home

Outfielder considers baseball future after another suspension

By Chris Kline



As the Devil Rays' world turned this week, it looked like the news would be good for the talented prospects at Triple-A Durham, with B.J. Upton getting his long-awaited promotion to the big leagues.

It didn't take long for things to turn sour again, however, with the club announcing on Tuesday that it was suspending outfielder Elijah Dukes indefinitely, and Dukes responding that he might be through with baseball.

The Devil Rays said in a release that they were suspending Dukes indefinitely "pending a review of the incident which led to his suspension by the International League." The 22-year-old outfielder was suspended for five games by the IL after arguing balls and strikes on July 25, a matter that wouldn't seem to require a lot of further review. He had been scheduled to return to the lineup at Triple-A Durham Tuesday night.

It was Dukes' second suspension of the season, and he was also placed on the temporarily inactive list in May after he was involved in an argument with Bulls hitting coach Richie Hebner. A week before the second suspension, Dukes and Bulls manager John Tamargo got into a heated argument in the dugout after the outfielder ran through a stop sign at third base.

"I have no idea when or if I'll be back," Dukes said in a telephone interview. "I packed up all my stuff and I'm headed home. To be honest, I don't even know about baseball anymore. Everything is just wearing on me and this year has just been so frustrating. I'm trying to keep my nose clean and keep to myself, but things just keep getting turned around. I'm tired of it."

The Devil Rays declined to comment on Dukes' suspension, but a spokesman said the team would release a statement regarding Dukes soon.

Dukes is a five-tool outfielder who was recruited heavily as a linebacker out of Hillsborough High in Tampa, and he said he is contemplating his future as a baseball player.

"I just don't know about baseball anymore," he said. "All this stuff keeps following me and now this. I'm tired of it. I don't know if I'm coming back or what. I don't know about the (Arizona) Fall League. I don't know about anything other than I'm going home.

"I'm not saying I should have tried to get to the NFL, but maybe I should have done something else."

Dukes came into spring training with an optimistic outlook, and he talked in a Baseball America story before the season about his tough upbringing and previous clashes with authority and how he wanted to put it all behind him. Both he and the Devil Rays looked forward to a breakout year for Dukes and the continued development of Upton and outfielder Delmon Young at Durham.

It hasn't worked out that way. All three have run into problems either off the field or on, and it has been a bad year from both a development and public-relations standpoint for the players and the Devil Rays and Bulls. Young gained national attention for throwing a bat at an umpire in May and earning a 50-game suspension, while Upton was charged with driving while impaired in June.

The latest pothole came last week in a USA Today story reviewing the problems the three players have had this season. The story focuses on the players' bitterness about not being in the big leagues and quotes Dukes criticizing conditions in Durham, saying in part, "Those guys up there (in the big leagues) shower in Evian. Here, we use sewer water."

Dukes says he was misquoted by another reporter who's trying to make him and his teammates look bad.

"I love playing in Triple-A and I'm not (ticked) off about not being in the big leagues," he said. "If they want to give me a 10-year contract to play in Durham, I'd do it. I never said anything about my uniform being dirty or whatever. It's a joke."

Dukes has avoided trouble away from baseball this year, but repeated disciplinary action from the Devil Rays shows he and the organization still aren't seeing eye to eye.

"It's all the same thing," Dukes said. "They've all been saying that I'm a bad influence on those two guys for two years. I didn't room with Delmon this year (Dukes was Young's roommate at Double-A Montgomery in 2005), but still I'm the bad apple.

"I didn't tell Delmon to throw his bat at that umpire. I didn't tell B.J. to go driving his car after he had some drinks. I don't even hang out with those guys. It was always just me in my apartment after games or whatever. I think I went out twice and both times I got a cab because I don't need any more hassle than I already have on me."

KCGHOST
08-02-2006, 08:44 AM
You just hate to see guys throw opportunites like this away. Maybe when he gets shipped to a new organization he will either see the light or get the direction he needs.

tonypug
08-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Just last week the Devil Rays TV network had a feature piece on Dukes. It was shown the day after the latest incident. In it he says all the right things. I also had a sense that it wasn'y very sincere. Dukes has had a trubled life starting when he was very young. The unfortunate thing is, he still hasn't learned. Perhaps the best thing for the Rays and Dukes would be to cut him loose. He has tremendous talent, but a lot of baggage.

Eddiey
08-03-2006, 07:02 PM
This is probably a crazy idea. Heck, I'm as conservative as they come and
my first inclination to send Dukes packing. But, I wonder if Dukes spending some
with Carl Crawford might help. The manager in Durham is so screwed up I can't
imagine he had a positive influence on Dukes. Maybe Carl, through talking and
by example could be. Possibly he just doesn't know the correct way to behave.
He most likely has never had anyone take him under their wing.

tonypug
08-04-2006, 12:48 PM
Earlier this week Dukes said he was probably through with baseball. Yesterday Dukes agent said he was ready to come back and play. Today The owner of the Durham Bulls said they don't want Dukes back in Durham.With only one monthremaining in the minor league season, the Rays might decide to keep Dukes off the field for the rest of the season.

tonypug
08-04-2006, 12:52 PM
This is probably a crazy idea. Heck, I'm as conservative as they come and
my first inclination to send Dukes packing. But, I wonder if Dukes spending some
with Carl Crawford might help. The manager in Durham is so screwed up I can't
imagine he had a positive influence on Dukes. Maybe Carl, through talking and
by example could be. Possibly he just doesn't know the correct way to behave.
He most likely has never had anyone take him under their wing.
That certainly would be rewarding bad behavior.. The Rays were in a tricky situation when they brought Upton up, just a couple of days after the latest problem. Now with Badelli again having hamstring problems, they might have to bring up Delmon Young. If they do, I don't think you want to bring Dukes up and have the potential for problems in the Rays clubhouse.

Yankees
08-04-2006, 01:30 PM
He's apparantly out for the season, as his AAA locker has been cleaned out.

Eddiey, why do you think Tamargo is messed up?

tonypug
08-04-2006, 02:15 PM
He's apparantly out for the season, as his AAA locker has been cleaned out.

Eddiey, why do you think Tamargo is messed up?
Dukes cleaned out his locker after he was suspended. At that time he was saying he was through with baseball. The next move is up to the Rays.

Eddiey
08-05-2006, 06:37 AM
That certainly would be rewarding bad behavior.. The Rays were in a tricky situation when they brought Upton up, just a couple of days after the latest problem. Now with Badelli again having hamstring problems, they might have to bring up Delmon Young. If they do, I don't think you want to bring Dukes up and have the potential for problems in the Rays clubhouse.

My intent was not to bring him up to play. Dukes lives in the Tampa area. Why not have him spend some time with Carl while on suspension? Maybe Carl or someone else can give the kid some direction.
You are right. To put him on the roster would be rewarding bad behavior. His playing with the Rays big club was in no way what I had in mind.

raysnbran
08-05-2006, 07:16 AM
Dukes suspension has been set at 30 games, which leaves about a week left in Durham's season. Durham's GM is on record that he doesn't want Dukes back in Durham at all, but that it's up to the major league club. I'm sure Tampa Bay will just not activate him and let him sit the rest of the year. Dukes' agent is now saying he's willing to play winter ball and compete for a job in spring training.

The Rays are caught between a rock and a hard place. I doubt they have any intention of ever calling this guy up, he's got all the talent in the world except between his ears, and they'll have to end up giving him away for nothing. They can't let him play to increase his trade value because he doesn't play well with other people. They will have to take what they can get in the offseason and move on, and let him be someone's elses problem IMO.

tonypug
08-05-2006, 09:34 AM
My intent was not to bring him up to play. Dukes lives in the Tampa area. Why not have him spend some time with Carl while on suspension? Maybe Carl or someone else can give the kid some direction.
You are right. To put him on the roster would be rewarding bad behavior. His playing with the Rays big club was in no way what I had in mind.
I misunderstood what you were saying. They said last night on Rays TV that Dukes has been around. I'm not sure what that means.

raysnbran
08-05-2006, 10:16 AM
The Rays are letting him continue to work out at the Naimoli Complex in St Pete, where they have their extended spring training and rehab facilities. Maybe that's what the announcers meant when they said he would be around.

tonypug
08-05-2006, 10:22 AM
The Rays are letting him continue to work out at the Naimoli Complex in St Pete, where they have their extended spring training and rehab facilities. Maybe that's what the announcers meant when they said he would be around.
Thanks for clearing that up. It has to be hard for the Rays. A player with the talent of Dukes is hard to let go of.

Paulmcall
08-05-2006, 04:41 PM
Yes, he may be a talented head case. You see this type of thing with high schoolers coming out for the NBA a lot and bad boys from college football.
You need a mentor (babysitter) to bring these guys along and even then it's an iffy thing.
Aside from the disappointing loss for Tampa Bay, this doesn't bode well for this guy's future (whatever or whereever it may be).:ughh

tonypug
08-06-2006, 09:26 AM
Yes, he may be a talented head case. You see this type of thing with high schoolers coming out for the NBA a lot and bad boys from college football.
You need a mentor (babysitter) to bring these guys along and even then it's an iffy thing.
Aside from the disappointing loss for Tampa Bay, this doesn't bode well for this guy's future (whatever or whereever it may be).:ughh
Paulmcall, nice to see you posting over here. The former management team of the Rays, used talent as the barometer for their draft selections. In some cases they were right on, Carl Crawford and Rocco Baldelli. In some cases they were wrong, Josh Hamilton and Elijah Dukes. In some cases the jury is still out, BNJ Upton and Delmon Young. Dukes has tremendous talent, but there is no telling whether his wild side can be tamed.The sad part is I am sure there are College football coaches out there that would still give him a scholarship.