the pitching is still crap

[Joltin Joe Giradio]

The Rangers keep adding offense but the problem is clearly that the pitching is terrible. Cordero was one of the best arms in the pen, yet they deal him away for a rental corner OF.

Millwood and Padilla are respectable but the rest of the rotation is laughable. Rheinecker? Koronka?

Are you kidding me?

[Texas Rangers]

The Rangers keep adding offense but the problem is clearly that the pitching is terrible. Cordero was one of the best arms in the pen, yet they deal him away for a rental corner OF.

Millwood and Padilla are respectable but the rest of the rotation is laughable. Rheinecker? Koronka?

Are you kidding me?


I cant help but laugh at this.

Cordero was one of the best arms in the pen? I sure hope that is a personal opinion cause if you opened your eyes, you'd probably read his stats:

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
49 0 7 4 6 0 0 48.2 48 27 26 5 16 54 4.81 1.32 .259

He had 9 blown saves in 16 opportunities. Yeah, I guess thats what the Rangers needed. I guess giving him and mench away for Nelson Cruz, hit a HR tonight, and Lee, 7 for 13 so far with the rangers, was a big mistake?

Starting Rotation:
Padilla
Millwood
Eaton
Loe
Koronka, Wells, Rheinecker

Im pretty sure with padilla millwood and eaton winning, loe a .500 guy, and the other three winning on occasion, the rangers can be in the AL west contending.

considering the Angels and Athletics didnt make a move what-so-ever, they have a strong chance.

Co-Co was a strong arm :crazy :laugh

[Da Penguin]

The Rangers keep adding offense but the problem is clearly that the pitching is terrible. Cordero was one of the best arms in the pen, yet they deal him away for a rental corner OF.

Millwood and Padilla are respectable but the rest of the rotation is laughable. Rheinecker?Koronka?

Are you kidding me?

you gotta be kidding me...the only thing Coco did this year was blow saves and lose us the game in the eighth....though I agree with you about Rheinecker...Koronka isn't too bad....he's just gone up against alotta good pitchers(Halladay,Santana)and hasn't had the offense behind him to give him some support...yeah sure..the start when he gave up nine was horrible but you can;t put all of that against him.....and we also added Kip Wells....but yes the pitching needs a little work but I think will be fine.....next year

[Texas Rangers]

Eaton pitched 6 solid innings, Feldman came on and shut it down with CJ Wilson. The Rangers pitching is fine.

[Joltin Joe Giradio]

Cmon guys, are you really Rangers fans? Yes, he had 7 blown saves, but 5 of those came in April. He had a really bad April, magnified by being a closer. However, since then, he has not been bad. (He just closed out a 1-0 win @ Coors btw.)

He has also been a top closer the last two yrs, saving you around 80 gms the last two yrs. What short memories you have.

[Roy31]

Losing Coco sucked but look at what we got in return...

Our bullpen has been solid in close game. Starting pitching has been the problem. With that being said Eaton looked absolutely filthy tonight at times, hopefully thats just the beginning.

[Texas Rangers]

Never said i didnt like Cordero. He is a fine pitcher, but for you to say we traded away one the best guys in our bullpen is insane. Nothing against him, but he has sucked it up this year and all the Ranger fans know it. He had a rough start, bounced back a little, and started to slack off again in mid july.

Otsuka has done better at the closer role than Cordero has, so why keep Cordero when you can get something better out of him? His contract was way too high for the way he had been playing and I think everyone has seen the best of Cordero.

[MY.RANGERS]

I was to a point I hated to see Coco come in to try to save out a ballgame this year. I think he was a little better as an 8th inning guy but he still seemed to struggle.
Maybe its just me but he did not seem 100% last year. Don't get me wrong to have 37 out of 45 saves and an era of 3.39 is not bad for a closer.
but He seemed to be a better pitcher in 04. 49 out of 54 saves and an era of 2.13. I know theres a lot of difference from 04 to 05 with 89 wins in 04 and 79 in 05. but in 05 Coco just did not seem 100%. Then came 06. It was a bad feeling in the 9th inn of a close ballgame.

I agree better pitching would be great. starters or bullpen. but our offence just was not the same this year. some parts were better and some were not.
I think J.D. hoped to get pitching but I am not sure he could. [at least not for what was asked of the rangers.] If that was the case I think he grabed the best deal he could. [Lee] In hopes we can out score our opponent and at least go down swinging. at best have our starters step up pitch great and have a great offence.

I liked Coco and I hope him the best. I think he will pull things together and be a great closer. But for the rangers I think we will be in the mix. If not....well there's always next year. Thanks.

[Joltin Joe Giradio]

Never said i didnt like Cordero. He is a fine pitcher, but for you to say we traded away one the best guys in our bullpen is insane. Nothing against him, but he has sucked it up this year and all the Ranger fans know it. He had a rough start, bounced back a little, and started to slack off again in mid july.

Otsuka has done better at the closer role than Cordero has, so why keep Cordero when you can get something better out of him? His contract was way too high for the way he had been playing and I think everyone has seen the best of Cordero.

Have you actually looked at the numbers? If Cordero is as bad as you portray him, Buck wouldn't have been using him in the 8th. His ERA by month: 11.45, 2.51, 2.08, 3.55. Any objective observer would rank him 2nd in the pen. I mean cmon, Rick Bauer (this isn't Jack), CJ Wilson, Ron Mahay? Yeah, real scary.

If that is your definition of "insane," everyone in the world is insane.

[Texas Rangers]

Have you actually looked at the numbers? If Cordero is as bad as you portray him, Buck wouldn't have been using him in the 8th. His ERA by month: 11.45, 2.51, 2.08, 3.55. Any objective observer would rank him 2nd in the pen. I mean cmon, Rick Bauer (this isn't Jack), CJ Wilson, Ron Mahay? Yeah, real scary.

If that is your definition of "insane," everyone in the world is insane.

Its great to see that Cordero actually improved after all those blown saves. It shows he couldnt handle the pressure. Then again, how many apperances did he have with that 2.51 ERA or that 2.08?? Id really like to know. Then how many did he have with that 11.45?

Oh I guess Rick Bauer is pretty pathetic huh? Compared to Cordero, lets see:

Bauer: 3-1, 49.2IP, 2.90ERA, 25 K's, 0HR's given up
Cordero: 7-4, 48.2IP, 4.81ERA, 54 K's, 5HR's given up, 9 Blown Saves.

So, lets see. Who is the better pitcher?

CJ Wilson: 3.76ERA in 26.1 IP.
R. Mahay: 4.06ERA in 37.2 IP.

And then there is the closer now:

Otsuka: 2.40ERA, 45IP, 21/24 Sv's, 34K's/7BB

And we didnt trade for pithcing? Kip Wells gave up one run today. Your argument is weak.

[Joltin Joe Giradio]

Its great to see that Cordero actually improved after all those blown saves. It shows he couldnt handle the pressure. Then again, how many apperances did he have with that 2.51 ERA or that 2.08?? Id really like to know. Then how many did he have with that 11.45?

Oh I guess Rick Bauer is pretty pathetic huh? Compared to Cordero, lets see:

Bauer: 3-1, 49.2IP, 2.90ERA, 25 K's, 0HR's given up
Cordero: 7-4, 48.2IP, 4.81ERA, 54 K's, 5HR's given up, 9 Blown Saves.

So, lets see. Who is the better pitcher?

CJ Wilson: 3.76ERA in 26.1 IP.
R. Mahay: 4.06ERA in 37.2 IP.

And then there is the closer now:

Otsuka: 2.40ERA, 45IP, 21/24 Sv's, 34K's/7BB

And we didnt trade for pithcing? Kip Wells gave up one run today. Your argument is weak.

If you insist that Wilson and Mahay are better than Cordero, I hope you become a GM and make some trades with the Mets. If you ask ANY GM in baseball, Cordero is clearly the superior pitcher to anyone in that Rangers pen except Otsuka.

All you keep doing is bringing up the 9 blown saves. Pitchers who do not get to pitch in close games with slim leads don't get blown saves. He also had 16 holds - not even counting the 8 saves. He couldn't have that terrible. Look at the setup men's stats across baseball. Again, Cordero's numbers are skewed by a terrible April. One bad month will ruin a reliever's season numbers.

Now let's look at Mahay and Wilson.

Ron Mahay: 37.2 IP 37 H 18 BB (that's a 1.46 WHIP). His ERA is 4.06 but he has allowed 4 unearned runs, so his runs per 9 is actually 5.02. (If you want to figure out Cordero's, tack on one unearned run to Cordero's total). Secondly, half of the hitters he has faced have been lefties, meaning that he gets to pitch against favorable matchups half the time.

CJ Wilson: Same deal. Tack on 2 unearned runs to see what his runs per nine is. He also gets put into favorable matchups. He also generally does not get put into high pressure situations. Only 1 blown save and 4 holds

As the 8th inning man, Cordero generally does not get mix and matched into favorable matchups.

I am not even a Rangers fan. This is as far as I am going to go. Not gonna waste my time trying to convince you Cordero is better than Mahay, Bauer, and company. You're going to believe what you believe. Just wait and see who has the better career. Based on one season, you're throwing the guy who's been there for you to the wolves. One bad outing for Bauer and co. and their numbers will look drastically different.

You remind me of the typical Met fan who used to kill Benitez like he was garbage, rejoice when Benitez left town, and then whine when the replacement Looper predictably could not outpitch Benitez. They're the same ones loving it when Billy Wagner came to town, and now are killing him too. I am not saying Benitez was anything more than a pretty good closer, my point is that the grass is always greener on the other side to many fans.

Let's wait and see on Eaton and Wells eh.

[Texas Rangers]

If you insist that Wilson and Mahay are better than Cordero, I hope you become a GM and make some trades with the Mets. If you ask ANY GM in baseball, Cordero is clearly the superior pitcher to anyone in that Rangers pen except Otsuka.

All you keep doing is bringing up the 9 blown saves. Pitchers who do not get to pitch in close games with slim leads don't get blown saves. He also had 16 holds - not even counting the 8 saves. He couldn't have that terrible. Look at the setup men's stats across baseball. Again, Cordero's numbers are skewed by a terrible April. One bad month will ruin a reliever's season numbers.

Now let's look at Mahay and Wilson.

Ron Mahay: 37.2 IP 37 H 18 BB (that's a 1.46 WHIP). His ERA is 4.06 but he has allowed 4 unearned runs, so his runs per 9 is actually 5.02. (If you want to figure out Cordero's, tack on one unearned run to Cordero's total). Secondly, half of the hitters he has faced have been lefties, meaning that he gets to pitch against favorable matchups half the time.

CJ Wilson: Same deal. Tack on 2 unearned runs to see what his runs per nine is. He also gets put into favorable matchups. He also generally does not get put into high pressure situations. Only 1 blown save and 4 holds

As the 8th inning man, Cordero generally does not get mix and matched into favorable matchups.

I am not even a Rangers fan. This is as far as I am going to go. Not gonna waste my time trying to convince you Cordero is better than Mahay, Bauer, and company. You're going to believe what you believe. Just wait and see who has the better career. Based on one season, you're throwing the guy who's been there for you to the wolves. One bad outing for Bauer and co. and their numbers will look drastically different.

You remind me of the typical Met fan who used to kill Benitez like he was garbage, rejoice when Benitez left town, and then whine when the replacement Looper predictably could not outpitch Benitez. They're the same ones loving it when Billy Wagner came to town, and now are killing him too. I am not saying Benitez was anything more than a pretty good closer, my point is that the grass is always greener on the other side to many fans.

Let's wait and see on Eaton and Wells eh.



i back my team regardless who puts on a uniform. wilkerson has the most, or 2nd most, strikeouts in the league, but im not dishing him. im not going to say cordero is a bad pitcher, but no need to say cordero is a strong arm in our bullpen. he had one good breakout season. he is on the downfall. if cordero ever gets more saves than he did last year, i will laugh at myself. he was a great asset to the team, but when it gets to the point that he goes out in the 8th, 9th inning, and fans say "oh no" its bad. kind of like kyle farnsworth in NY.

[Roy31]

Im not a big Mahay or Bauer fan but those 2 should be used mainly for chum time, ie eating up innings when we are crushing teams or when we are getting crushed god forebid. Mahay is a decent lefty and can come in and get the one batter out sometimes.

The players that im digging in the bullpen so far are Wilson (Another lefty) with a nice knuckleball, Rupe only one appearance but he looked good, and Littleton he has simple been dominant in the past month with that deceptive delivery. 11 innings 7 hits and righties are only batting .160 off him which iS REALLY nice.

I was extremely suprised last night when I seen Mahay come in the game then followed by Bauer, Bauer blew it in the 8th on the first pitch I was suprised he came out for the 9th cause he even looked ****** in the 9th but got a double play and got out of the 9th.

[bluejaysfan4ever]

Stop complaining! You're lucky you don't live in Toronto.

[Texas Rangers]

Stop complaining! You're lucky you don't live in Toronto.

who me????????

[TheJourneyman]

Heard Wells is going to DL today.
Not exactly what we needed for our staff.

[Joltin Joe Giradio]

i back my team regardless who puts on a uniform. wilkerson has the most, or 2nd most, strikeouts in the league, but im not dishing him. im not going to say cordero is a bad pitcher, but no need to say cordero is a strong arm in our bullpen. he had one good breakout season. he is on the downfall. if cordero ever gets more saves than he did last year, i will laugh at myself. he was a great asset to the team, but when it gets to the point that he goes out in the 8th, 9th inning, and fans say "oh no" its bad. kind of like kyle farnsworth in NY.

I am curious, my friend, has your opinion of Cordero changed any now that he has 17 sv's and allowed like 1 run all year in MIL? :) You didn't give him the respect then, neither did your GM, but I think MIL fans are glad you felt that way.

Otsuka has been great too, no doubt. I can't even remember who the Rangers got back from the Brewers, but hope it was worth it.

On the flip side, for the Rangers' sake, at least Mench still is very mediocre... I thought he'd be better than he is.

[Texas Rangers]

I am curious, my friend, has your opinion of Cordero changed any now that he has 17 sv's and allowed like 1 run all year in MIL? :) You didn't give him the respect then, neither did your GM, but I think MIL fans are glad you felt that way.

Otsuka has been great too, no doubt. I can't even remember who the Rangers got back from the Brewers, but hope it was worth it.

On the flip side, for the Rangers' sake, at least Mench still is very mediocre... I thought he'd be better than he is.


Too be honest, Cordero is having the best season of his career. He is pitching amazing, and kudos to him. But, Otsuka is pretty consistant with us and im very proud to have Otsuka here. Gagne is also pitching well when he isnt injured. I would much rather have a consistant closer than an on-off type of guy.

With Cordero, you didn't know what to expect. When he stepped out there those last two years in Texas, you almost wanted him to go right back in the bullpen cause you knew he would blow it for us. But, I can't say anything now. Cordero is pitching lights out and props to him.

I do like Otsuka & Gagne duo, as if it matters though. Were the worst team in the MLB and our Owner & GM have no idea what theyre doing. Future for the Rangers = 40year old OF and inconsistant pitching along with an over-rated IF and lineup.