Maddux to Dodgers

[AnaheimAngelsFan]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5832966

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Done deal, for Cezar Isturis, I wonder where he'll play now, he might play 2B, so that means Todd Walker is definetely gone, Neifi won't last as a bench player either.

[Dravecky43]

Yep, Walker went to the Padres. So it appears that almost everyone in the NL West except the Giants made a good trade. At this point, Neither of the trades by Sabean are looking that good.

[otis89]

I hate Jim Hendry. He's a friggin' idiot. What happened to the Jim Hendry that got Derrek Lee for Hee-Seop Choi, or the one that got Aramis Ramirez, Kenny Lofton, and Randall Simon for a few piles of crap? Why can't he make any more decent trades?

[flash143817]

Finally a Dodger trade that I don't completely hate. Izturis was nothing to the Dodgers anymore so it's worth the gamble on Maddux.

[BelieveForever'03]

Ronnie Cedeno will move to second. While Izturis will come in and play short.

[rockin500]

im actually surprised they got izturis.

but man, the cubs have zero offense up the middle. at least they have some serious defense with the Neifi/Izturis/Cedeno combo.

[Brannu]

I hate Jim Hendry. He's a friggin' idiot. What happened to the Jim Hendry that got Derrek Lee for Hee-Seop Choi, or the one that got Aramis Ramirez, Kenny Lofton, and Randall Simon for a few piles of crap? Why can't he make any more decent trades?

Don't you think that this has more to do with the fact that The Cubs are completely out of the race? It appears that The Cubs are retooling for next year and trying to work out some pieces now for future projections. Makes sense. I don't like the fact that The Indians are in the same position ... but, that's the sad reality.

I'm waitin' to see who gets put on waivers and picked up by other teams. That will be interesting.

However, I think this bodes well for The Dodgers. Maddux in a notorious pitcher's park? Might be a piece of magic.

[otis89]

Don't you think that this has more to do with the fact that The Cubs are completely out of the race? It appears that The Cubs are retooling for next year and trying to work out some pieces now for future projections. Makes sense. I don't like the fact that The Indians are in the same position ... but, that's the sad reality.

I'm waitin' to see who gets put on waivers and picked up by other teams. That will be interesting.

However, I think this bodes well for The Dodgers. Maddux in a notorious pitcher's park? Might be a piece of magic.

Cesar Izturis does nothing to improve the team though. If Maddux had been traded for someone that could help out next year, I'd be fine with it, but Izturis is about the same as Neifi.

[iPod]

However, I think this bodes well for The Dodgers. Maddux in a notorious pitcher's park? Might be a piece of magic.

10 years ago, maybe.

[DodgerBlue81]

We don't need Izturis, but we don't need Maddux either, he's old and washed up. I would have preferred to trade Izturis for a decent reliever.

[KHenry14]

Cesar Izturis does nothing to improve the team though. If Maddux had been traded for someone that could help out next year, I'd be fine with it, but Izturis is about the same as Neifi.

If you are talking about the stick, you are correct. But Izturis is a big time defensive glove man, and far better defensively that Perez ever was.

This wont change the Cubs' prospects for the future, but he's not a bad player.

[geezer]

Good trade short term for the Dodgers, and a bad trade long term for those pitiful Cubs, I think that deal was great for Maddux and great for the Dodgers, that now they have a decent chance to contend till the end.

I wish Maddux the best.

[DodgerBlue81]

and great for the Dodgers, that now they have a decent chance to contend till the end.


LOL, I wish. Maddux stinks now, and the Dodgers still stink.

[flash143817]

LOL, I wish. Maddux stinks now, and the Dodgers still stink.


And they will continue to stink worse and worse as long as Colletti remains GM.

[ivylover]

Kinda stupid that Hendry traded Walker for some prospect or whatever

[geezer]

And they will continue to stink worse and worse as long as Colletti remains GM.

And the Cubs will also stink too.

[BaseballHistoryNut]

I'm not persuaded Maddux is done. He's no longer in Wrigley, where that "368 FT." sign is not so much in LCF as it is in CF. (The next time you see a game on WGN, check it out; the 368 FT. sign on the left is about as close to dead center as the 400 FT. sign on the right is--i.e., damn close.) And even if he can't summon up whatever's left in his tank, I think it's a good trade for the sake of the younger guys on a team that's only 5 out, because if ever a guy was familiar with divisional stretch drives....

Of course, I'm a lifelong Giants fan, so I'm required to hate that team and root for Maddux's ERA to sail back on over 5.00. But I don't think that's going to happen, and I won 't be surprised if it goes under 4.00. I'll believe Greg Maddux is through on the day he retires and moves his family to a non-baseball location... and not one moment sooner.

BHN

[Hammerin Hank]

Good trade short term for the Dodgers, and a bad trade long term for those pitiful Cubs, I think that deal was great for Maddux and great for the Dodgers, that now they have a decent chance to contend till the end.

I wish Maddux the best.

Good trade for the Cubs. Dumping salary to be used, hopefully, next year. Even so, they won't be contending next year without bringing up prospects, which I believe they sorely lack.

[otis89]

If you are talking about the stick, you are correct. But Izturis is a big time defensive glove man, and far better defensively that Perez ever was.

This wont change the Cubs' prospects for the future, but he's not a bad player.

Defense hasn't been the Cubs problem this year. If we had crappy defense, I'd be fine with trading for Izturis, but our anemic offense has been the problem, not defense. You can make all the great defensive plays you want to, but if you don't score runs, you don't win games.

[west coast orange and black]

the hated dodgers find themselves 5 back with 3 teams to leapfrog in both the division and wild card races. giving up izturis' solid glove for 2 months of maddux seems kinda weird to me. gotta give a nod to the youngsters of the blue, though: they have greatly impressed.

[baseball junkie]

Picking up a washed up pitcher off the Cubs' scrap-heap, now that's really going to put the Dodgers over the top. But I guess he takes Odalis Perez's place in the rotation.

Like anyone in L.A. cares about baseball anyway...what did Miami Vice gross this weekend?

[rockin500]

Defense hasn't been the Cubs problem this year. If we had crappy defense, I'd be fine with trading for Izturis, but our anemic offense has been the problem, not defense. You can make all the great defensive plays you want to, but if you don't score runs, you don't win games.
whenever todd walker was playing, it was indeed a problem. defense is definitely an issue.

[Elvis]

Picking up a washed up pitcher off the Cubs' scrap-heap, now that's really going to put the Dodgers over the top. But I guess he takes Odalis Perez's place in the rotation.

Like anyone in L.A. cares about baseball anyway...what did Miami Vice gross this weekend?

No need to bad mouth anyone's hometown--namely mine. L.A. IS a baseball town and always has been. Our PCL team regularly outdrew both ML teams in Philadelphia.

[sopclod]

whenever todd walker was playing, it was indeed a problem. defense is definitely an issue.

Maybe he meant defense isn't the Cubs most pressing problem. All we need is a first baseman, a couple of good power hitting outfielders, a leadoff hitter, and then, once we have that, about 3 or 4 starters, then, we're right in the thick of things... as soon as we add a closer. So close I can taste it.

[Dodger_Ric]

Cesar Izturis does nothing to improve the team though. If Maddux had been traded for someone that could help out next year, I'd be fine with it, but Izturis is about the same as Neifi.

Don't be ignorant. If the Cubs are smart, they play Cesar at SS and you guys watch in awe as Dodger fans have the last few years of the plays he makes. If he bats .220 he's still an asset because of his glove. Cub fans will love Izzy like they did Shawon Dunston.

Such a steal for a FA bound, 40 yr old pitcher. Izzy still has another year on his contract. Killer pick up for you guys.

[Dodger_Ric]

And they will continue to stink worse and worse as long as Colletti remains GM.

LOL Flash......I'm telling bro.....

It doesn't seem to matter who the GM is. We could hire John Schuerholtz (sp?) tomorrow, and as soon as the words "Dodgers General Manager" are attached to the front of his name, he'd turn into an idiot like everyone else.

[Hammerin Hank]

If he bats .220 he's still an asset because of his glove.

Hitting significantly outweighs fielding. No amount of fielding can make up for a .220 average.

[Dodger_Ric]

Picking up a washed up pitcher off the Cubs' scrap-heap, now that's really going to put the Dodgers over the top. But I guess he takes Odalis Perez's place in the rotation.

Like anyone in L.A. cares about baseball anyway...what did Miami Vice gross this weekend?

Don't mind him, Elvis, it's just the bitterness talking. When was the last time Philly won a championship? In ANYTHING?

Dodgers are most watched franchise in the history of sports THROUGH OUT THE WORLD! It's a freaking Guiness record. Look it up. But yeah, man LA don't care about baseball. :evil

:D ;)

[BaseballHistoryNut]

I gotta tell you, Ric, when an old classmate told me that she and a friend happened to be in town and go there the night of Dennis Martinez' perfect game, and that many "fans" were walking out in the seventh, eighth and NINTH innings, I not only felt a permanent empathy for those poor folks in Brooklyn who loved them so much, but also had to wonder about L.A. With that said, however, I've known a ton of Dodger fans who were/are just as dead serious about their team as I was about mine (S.F.), P.B. (pre-Bonds).

And yeah, I'm still a huge Giants fan, & wanted to strangle Baker when he didn't use Shinjo in CF, Lofton in LF and Bonds at DH in the Anaheim games of the 2002 World Series, etc. But if you had that guy on your team, I'll bet it would take some of the wind out of your sails, too. :grouchy :grouchy

BHN

[Elvis]

I gotta tell you, Ric, when an old classmate told me that she and a friend happened to be in town and go there the night of Dennis Martinez' perfect game, and that many "fans" were walking out in the seventh, eighth and NINTH innings, I not only felt a permanent empathy for those poor folks in Brooklyn who loved them so much, but also had to wonder about L.A.

I don't know how hard a concept this is to grasp, but it obviously is: Not everyone who attends baseball games in LA is a Dodger fan. About 1/3 of attendees are just out to "go watch a ballgame" or "have a night out". Those 25,000-30,000 that are always there at the beginning and stay to the end are real Dodger fans. And if you take away all those yahoos who go to Dodger games that aren't really into the game or care who wins and are left with 30,000 Dodger fans instead of 45,000 including the yahoos, the Dodgers would STILL be outdrawing most teams, including the Brooklyn days.

Anyone who thinks a Dodger fan would walk out on a perfect game is a moron IMHO.

[Whitesoxnut]

Hitting significantly outweighs fielding. No amount of fielding can make up for a .220 average.

Agreed. tho I'm not so sure hitting outweighs fielding. But anyone who hits .220 consistantly isnt going to stay in the bigs It doesnt matter how he can field.

[BaseballHistoryNut]

I don't know how hard a concept this is to grasp, but it obviously is: Not everyone who attends baseball games in LA is a Dodger fan. About 1/3 of attendees are just out to "go watch a ballgame" or "have a night out". Those 25,000-30,000 that are always there at the beginning and stay to the end are real Dodger fans. And if you take away all those yahoos who go to Dodger games that aren't really into the game or care who wins and are left with 30,000 Dodger fans instead of 45,000 including the yahoos, the Dodgers would STILL be outdrawing most teams, including the Brooklyn days.

Anyone who thinks a Dodger fan would walk out on a perfect game is a moron IMHO.

From the quotation marks in my post, it should have been evident I was questioning the bona fides of the "fanhood"--as it were--of those who walked out, not all Dodger fans. But even the airheads who aren't there to watch a game, and who leave in the 7th or 8th, should have stayed riveted to their seats for a perfect :grouchy game.

As for the tone of your post, tone it down. I don't know how hard a concept this is to grasp, but any review of my writing should make it clear I'm not a "moron," IMHO.

[Elvis]

From the quotation marks in my post, it should have been evident I was questioning the bona fides of the "fanhood"--as it were--of those who walked out, not all Dodger fans. But even the airheads who aren't there to watch a game, and who leave in the 7th or 8th, should have stayed riveted to their seats for a perfect :grouchy game.

As for the tone of your post, tone it down. I don't know how hard a concept this is to grasp, but any review of my writing should make it clear I'm not a "moron," IMHO.

Sorry for the confusion, but I wasn't speaking to you in that post. Should've made that more clear. :gt

[BaseballHistoryNut]

No prob, man. :)

[Dodger_Ric]

Hitting significantly outweighs fielding. No amount of fielding can make up for a .220 average.

Say that to any ground ball pitcher and I wonder what they'll say.

You know, every post season it's always repeated:

"it takes great pitching, solid defense, and timely hitting to win in the post season."

Notice the rank of order in that sentence.


Agreed. tho I'm not so sure hitting outweighs fielding. But anyone who hits .220 consistantly isnt going to stay in the bigs It doesnt matter how he can field.

I disagree, I think even in today's game a catcher or a SS that has a golden glove, will always be able to find a starting job on some club. Teams should get there offense from the corners and OF anyway, it's a luxury to have a Tejada or Utley in your middle infield. And how many catchers are tearing it up with the bat this year? 5 ? Come on.....

And Izturis COULD hit .300, probably will hit around .260 - .270

[Dodger_Ric]

I gotta tell you, Ric, when an old classmate told me that she and a friend happened to be in town and go there the night of Dennis Martinez' perfect game, and that many "fans" were walking out in the seventh, eighth and NINTH innings, I not only felt a permanent empathy for those poor folks in Brooklyn who loved them so much, but also had to wonder about L.A. With that said, however, I've known a ton of Dodger fans who were/are just as dead serious about their team as I was about mine (S.F.), P.B. (pre-Bonds).

And yeah, I'm still a huge Giants fan, & wanted to strangle Baker when he didn't use Shinjo in CF, Lofton in LF and Bonds at DH in the Anaheim games of the 2002 World Series, etc. But if you had that guy on your team, I'll bet it would take some of the wind out of your sails, too. :grouchy :grouchy

BHN

I DON'T remember people leaving that game early, I DO remember that it was a DAY GAME! That's hearsay from a Giants fan, yeah I'll put a lot of stock in that. :D

That said.....like the other poster mentioned, there is a good portion of the crowd that could care less. Mostly in the YELLOW SEATS!!! You can see kids not watching the game, wrestless in their seats. People on cell phones, peole having conversations during play. Then there is the people that spend half the game in the beer line. But you can't tell me that only happens in LA? I would bet the same is true for most stadiums........maybe not Fenway or Wrigley cuz they are small and I hear tickets are outrageous. But hey, tickets start at 6 bux at Dodger stadium, so what do you want?

I was at an Angel game not long ago and it made me sick at all the spoiled orange county kids with their Vladdy jerseys and they don't have a clue what's going on in the game. That's why I love the atmosphere at Kings games at the Staples center, if you're not there to watch the game, you might get your ass kicked. :D

They won't allow you to walk to your seat during play, you have to wait for a whistle. They should do that in baseball, make you wait till the 3rd out or a pitching change. I swear I spent half that Angel game peering around people standing in front of me.

[plask_stirlac]

Sounds like me at the computer with the game on. Oh, I'll watch... dang, fifth inning, gotta start paying attention to Horacio Ramirez's fastball... right after this sim team is done... ooh, a Dilbert cartoon and online Sudoku!

[SamtheBravesFan]

LOL Flash......I'm telling bro.....

It doesn't seem to matter who the GM is. We could hire John Schuerholtz (sp?) tomorrow, and as soon as the words "Dodgers General Manager" are attached to the front of his name, he'd turn into an idiot like everyone else.

Schuerholz. And some Braves fans are already cursing his name for not fixing the bullpen before the summer meltdown. So he's already an idiot. :)

[Whitesoxnut]

I disagree, I think even in today's game a catcher or a SS that has a golden glove, will always be able to find a starting job on some club. Teams should get there offense from the corners and OF anyway, it's a luxury to have a Tejada or Utley in your middle infield. And how many catchers are tearing it up with the bat this year? 5 ? Come on.....

And Izturis COULD hit .300, probably will hit around .260 - .270

Name me one starting SS who consistantly hits .220. While your at it name me one backup SS that consistantly hits .220 .

[flash143817]

LOL Flash......I'm telling bro.....

It doesn't seem to matter who the GM is. We could hire John Schuerholtz (sp?) tomorrow, and as soon as the words "Dodgers General Manager" are attached to the front of his name, he'd turn into an idiot like everyone else.


I really REALLY wish the Dodgers would have kept DePo as GM. He is already world's better than Colletti.



And to the clown insulting LA baseball fans...are you aware that the Dodgers and Angels are BOTH in the top 3 in attendance and have been top 5 in attendance for years (especially in the case of the Dodgers who are the most watched sports franchise ever). And like Elvis said, So Cal minor league teams are outdrawing your MLB team, so worry about that before you start ripping LA fans.

[rockin500]

Name me one starting SS who consistantly hits .220. While your at it name me one backup SS that consistantly hits .220 .
not in todays game. Still, you will always find a backup shortstop who has hung around for a long time with a sub .250 BA if they have a gold glove.

[sopclod]

Name me one starting SS who consistantly hits .220. While your at it name me one backup SS that consistantly hits .220 .

Rey Ordonez? Career .246, and an abysmal .289 OBP. Pretty close.

[Elvis]

Maddux is tossing a no-hitter in the 6th inning in his Dodger debut. He sure isn't looking like a washed up has-been like some of you said he was. :clapping

[Elvis]

Maddux no-no into the 7th...:eek:

[sopclod]

Maddux has always said that he will never pitch a no hitter because he throws too many strikes.

[KingJ]

Well, since it has already been 5 IP, Maddux would get the no-hitter in the books if it were to get called.

[Big_Mac]

i dont have the game on tv or radio and im watching on mlb.com gameday and it say beimel is pitching for the dodgers now and maddux left after 6 with a no-no still. what happened or is gameday have incorrect data?

[Elvis]

i dont have the game on tv or radio and im watching on mlb.com gameday and it say beimel is pitching for the dodgers now and maddux left after 6 with a no-no still. what happened or is gameday have incorrect data?

Nope, Grady pulled Maddux in the 7th after another rain delay. Beimel replaced Maddux and of course gave up a base hit to the first Red he faced. :crazy

[DownUnderDodger]

Seems he went well today.......I saw him in his last outing for the Cubs and he looked pretty good. Maybe he will be a good asset for the Dodgers for the remainder of the year!!

[Big_Mac]

Nope, Grady pulled Maddux in the 7th after another rain delay. Beimel replaced Maddux and of course gave up a base hit to the first Red he faced. :crazy

ahh thank you, i was wondering what happened.

[geezer]

Anywat, the MIT is that finally Maddux pitch well, and he won today, the Dodgers win 3-0, striking out Griffey and Dunn with 2 runners on base, and Maddux has won his 3rd straight decision, and pitched 6 hitless innings.

[BaseballHistoryNut]

"Pitched well?" Man, you have exacting standards.

[Dodger_Ric]

Name me one starting SS who consistantly hits .220. While your at it name me one backup SS that consistantly hits .220 .

Well remember I'm saying they have to be gold glove calibre, thus justifying the low average. Not too many players fall into that category today. But I'm saying if there were. What does Kalil Greene hit? What did Orlando Cabrera hit last year? Bobby Crosby? Seems if a team will have a .250 / "B" glove SS, then they would have a .220 / "A" glove?

[sopclod]

Well, since it has already been 5 IP, Maddux would get the no-hitter in the books if it were to get called.

Wasn't this changed by a former commissioner, requiring no-hitters to be 9 innings or more?

[rockin500]

Wasn't this changed by a former commissioner, requiring no-hitters to be 9 innings or more?
indeed it was. i think it was in the very early 90's.

[geezer]

In September 1991, an eight-man committee chaired by then-commissioner Fay Vincent ruled that a pitcher had to throw a complete game of at least nine innings to have it count as a no-hitter. As a result of that decision, 50 no-hitters were tossed out of the record book.