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WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 12:21 PM
I'd like to have a DVD (video, etc) to have parent-coaches buy to help out their players. I don't expect typical average parent to be able to understand what is being presented but I WOULD expect the helpful parent-coaches to absorb it, with a little help.

Here is how: I, and one other coach, present the material to those parent-coaches and then give them the DVD/videos. We would then be there to help ongoing and in the next workshops.

We are sponsoring a series of coaches clinics and want to be consistent in our information and also give them something to take home. Some of the coaches in this 9yr - 16yr old range are experienced in coaching but may need a bit of help. Others are already on track but would like some advanced help. I'm not saying I'm advanced but I'm good enough to help others to a certain degree.

So.... is there a video that I could review that is generally considered to be standard information to most of you rotational advocates?

I would guess a few but I'd like to hear your opinions.

coach 22
07-24-2006, 02:21 PM
When you say rotational, may I be so bold as to ask exactly what you mean? I hear this term everyday, but it seems to have a slightly unique meaning for each person that uses it.

WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 02:39 PM
When you say rotational, may I be so bold as to ask exactly what you mean? I hear this term everyday, but it seems to have a slightly unique meaning for each person that uses it.

I may not be able to express it exactly in words, so give me some leeway here.

In general, "not linear". Small amount of linear movement to enable to hips to open. Wider stance, more emphasis on the swing originating with the trunk (which gets it's start from a small linear movement). And so on.

In know that was "in general" and I'll probably be crucified by some because I didn't dot an "i" or cross a "t" in explaining it but there you go. Are there more specifics I can put forth? I'm still learning the finer points, which differ from discussion to discussion but generally rotational hitting is what I like.

coach 22
07-24-2006, 02:44 PM
Do you have a mailing address to send any DVDs?

WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 02:47 PM
Do you have a mailing address to send any DVDs?

Of course! But could I hear about them first? I'd like to hear about them before purchasing. If you would rather do email then mike@henrynet.com is always checked everyday, all day.

WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 02:48 PM
Of course! But could I hear about them first? I'd like to hear about them before purchasing. If you would rather do email then mike@henrynet.com is always checked everyday, all day.


Sorry I didn't remember your user name! You started a post the other day about the series. I plan on checking those out more. I even included them in my resources blog on my site for others to read.

Chris O'Leary
07-24-2006, 02:52 PM
When you say rotational, may I be so bold as to ask exactly what you mean? I hear this term everyday, but it seems to have a slightly unique meaning for each person that uses it.

As I interpret it (and explain it to the kids I coach), the general idea of rotational hitting is to swing with the body more than with the arms (since the rotation of the body is a much better source of power due to the larger muscles that are involved). You also want to try to swing through the ball rather than chop down on it.

Linear hitters tend to swing more with their arms than their bodies (e.g. with their arms away from their bodies), which can rob them of power. Rotational hitters tend to keep their arms closer to their body and use their arms and bodies as a single unit, with the rotation of the hips leading the rotation of the shoulders and powerfully pulling the shoulders (and thus the arms and the bat) around.

Another way that I think of and explain it is that a rotational swing is a bottom-up swing (legs>hips>torso>shoulders>arms) while a linear swing is more of a top-down swing (shoulders>arms). In my experience, you get much more power in the swing if you get the large muscles of the legs, hips, and torso involved in the swing.

WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 02:53 PM
As I interpret it (and explain it to the kids I coach), the general idea of rotational hitting is to swing with the body more than with the arms (since the rotation of the body is a much better source of power). You also want to try to swing through the ball rather than chop down on it.

Linear hitters tend to swing more with their arms than their bodies (e.g. with their arms away from their bodies), which can rob them of power. Rotational hitters tend to keep their arms closer to their body and use their arms and bodies as a single unit, with the rotation of the hips leading the rotation of the shoulders and powerfully pulling the shoulders (and thus the arms and the bat) around.

Another way that I think of and explain it is that a rotational swing is a bottom-up swing (legs>hips>torso>shoulders>arms) while a linear swing is more of a top-down swing (shoulders>arms). In my experience, you get much more power in the swing if you get the large muscles of the legs, hips, and torso involved in the swing.

Good general explanation.

coach 22
07-24-2006, 05:58 PM
I have e-mailed coach Mongero with this site. I hope he will get up with you through your e-mail.

WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 06:08 PM
He did, and I responded. Thanks.

Jake Patterson
07-24-2006, 06:12 PM
These were helpful in understanding the concept... Don't know who to give credit to..

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WonderMonkey
07-24-2006, 06:16 PM
These were helpful in understanding the concept... Don't know who to give credit to..

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Good image. That is going beyond the basic rotational concepts and getting into keeping everything on plane and perpindicular, etc. Also things I think are important.

I understand the concepts, but am looking for a video to have the coaches that go to the clinic take home for self-study and to raise questions at the next sessions.

Jake Patterson
07-24-2006, 07:33 PM
I understand the concepts, but am looking for a video to have the coaches that go to the clinic take home for self-study and to raise questions at the next sessions.
Siggy's got some great clips try: http://imageevent.com/siggy;jsessionid=p9b72u6rj2.buffalo_s

BenSamLewis
08-01-2006, 11:11 PM
These were helpful in understanding the concept... Don't know who to give credit to..

Paul Nyman at Setpro created the animations.

Jake Patterson
08-02-2006, 08:11 AM
Paul Nyman at Setpro created the animations.

Thanks Ben

Ifubuildit
08-03-2006, 09:22 AM
There is Linear and Rotational motion in any swing. You cannot perform a swing without using both. If your looking for a good explanation I have always liked what Mankin stated on his video.

Linear vs Rotational is about hand path to the ball. Do you take your hands directly to the ball (Linear) or do you rotate your hands to the ball. (Rotational) Also referred to as CHP or Circular hand Path.

This in my opinion is really what defines the difference without getting into the mechanics of the swing and what parts of the body go linear or rotational in the context of swinging a bat.

Hope this helps.

Elliott.