Proposed Rule Changes Thread

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

So I was visiting this other baseball league similar to ours and I propose that (after season ends) we enforce these rules (I hope Anthony you wouldn't mind) His game was wicked so I will not copy him entirely, just refine our rules a bit:

TRADE COUNCIL APPROVES TRADES:
"We now have a trade council. Three elected members of our board will now give the ok to any trades."

1. In the subject heading, the 2 teams involved in the trade must list their names.

2. In the body of the message, the teams must list out who is involved in the trade (including the players last name, first initial, and contract.

3. Each owner must explain why they made the deal. The more detail they give the better chance the trade will go through.

4. I still believe a trade should only be vetoed if it seems to be either cheating or involved colusion in some way. But, that will be left up to you guys to decide for now (with the idea that if enough people disagree with you, we will simply hold elections for your seats on the council).

5. There are three memebers of the trade council, so we would need two yes votes to allow the trade to go through. Yes votes can be simply "Yes", while a "no" vote from you must be accompanied with an explanation (doesnt have to be a book, but some sort of reasoning will help).

6: There will be no "money" traded.
8. There will be no “players to be named later” in a trade.

9. You may not trade any players you signed as a FA during the offseason. You may trade any player you signed as a FA by June 30th.

Second propostition:

SALARY CAP OF 100 MILLION DOLLARS:
All right, I will explain this one, after the offseason we should redo all the contracts on our rosters maybe as reality it'd be simpler, but anyhow.
It would make the game more tough and complicated since we won't just trade players freely, what do you say? And we'll have 35 million to spend on free-agency, I also suggest we stop with the PTBNL and money.

more to come!

EDIT:
Guaranteed and non-guarranteed contracts (?)


1. All contracts are garanteed.

2. An option year can be added to a contract.

3. The option year must be picked up before a player can be traded during the off season of his option year.

4. All contracts must be guaranteed between 2 – 5 years. (option year may be added)

5. The money will be equally divided among the seasons of the contract.

6. Rookie players coming through your teams system will be given the following offers(ARB):
a. The FIRST (1ST)year of a rookies contract will be worth $0.3
b. The SECOND (2ND) year of a rookies contract will be worth $0.5
c. The THIRD (3RD) year of a rookies contract will be worth $0.7
d. The FOURTH (4TH) year of a rookies contract will be worth $0.8
e. The FIFTH (5TH) year of a rookies contract will be worth $1.0
f. The SIXITH (6TH) year of a rookies contract will be worth $1.5

7. Rookie contracts are NOT guaranteed.

8. All players who are not eligible for FA will be property of the MLB team they play on. If you did not protect a player with a 1 year contract (1St-5TH years) and that player was traded to another MLB team, then that player would then become property of the team that he was traded too.

9. If you want to protect a minor league player who has not yet played at least one game in the majors, then you may designate him as "Minor" with a cap salary of $0.3. There will be a one time, time period given during the offseason to allow owners to protect minor league players.

10. Any Minor Leaguer that u aquire from another teams system must be listed on ur team under "Minor" and have a $0.3 counted against ur cap.

This looks interesting but I'm not too sure:
1. Any player that is available as a Free Agent will be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

2. Any bid that lasts for up to 24 hours wins the bid. (the 24 hour rule may be changed to 12 or 48 depending on the commissioners decision prior to the auction)

3. Free Agents will be auctioned off in groups according to their MLB position.

4a. If a Free Agent finished in the top 5 in the yahoo rankings (per position) then he will recieve a minimum 5 year deal.

4b. If a Free Agent finished in the top 10 in the yahoo rankings (per position) then he will receive a minimum 4 year deal.

4c. If a Free Agent finsihed in the top 15 in the yahoo rankings (per postion) then he will receive a minimum 3 year deal.

4d. All others would still fall into the 2-5 with a possible option.

5. You may not trade a Free Agent signing until June 30th of 2006.

6. All bids on free agents are final, you may not withdraw nor delete any bids.

SALARY CAP CLARIFICATION:
1. Each team starts off with a $100 million dollar cap. Any winnings will be in "cash" and not cap. Cash may be used as cap for one season, and one season only OR if may be put towards a players contract (evenly distributed throughout the contract). Example would be a you have won $3.0 in "cash"... You have a player with 3 years left on his contract at $10 per year. You may add up to $1.0 per season to then make his contract $9.0 per season. Once it is used, it may not be taken back. Cash may not be traded.

2. Any team that wins their “division” will be awarded $2.5

3. The team that finishes first in their league (AL or NL) will be given an extra $2.5

4. The team that finishes first overall will be given an extra $5.0

5. Any 5x5 Roto category:
1st place = $5.0
2nd place = $4.0
3rd place = $3.0
4th place = $2.0
5th place = $1.0

[Erik Bedard]

I like the "Trade Council" idea, but since we have so many deserving owners, I suggest we broaden it to five. Wilk and YL will definitely be on it, so then we elect three more people.

The rest I'm not so sure. I think we should keep our current free agency rules, and we can keep adding money to our 35M. I think we should be allowed to sell for cash, but I don't like PTBNL's that much.

My own rule proposition:

I think we should be allowed to protect 25 players on our 40-man roster, the rest will become free agents. I think our cap should be raised above 35M. I think that we must submit all the contracts we our giving our protected players to the three-person "Free Agent Council" (different from the "Trade Council"), and they can decide if that is fair or not. Also, we could probably have a draft with players from the non-chosen teams. I'm not sure if this would work in the sim, but it's a thought. Then we could sign our rookies as we would our protected players.

What do you think of this?

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I like the "Trade Council" idea, but since we have so many deserving owners, I suggest we broaden it to five. Wilk and YL will definitely be on it, so then we elect three more people.

The rest I'm not so sure. I think we should keep our current free agency rules, and we can keep adding money to our 35M. I think we should be allowed to sell for cash, but I don't like PTBNL's that much.

My own rule proposition:

I think we should be allowed to protect 25 players on our 40-man roster, the rest will become free agents. I think our cap should be raised above 35M. I think that we must submit all the contracts we our giving our protected players to the three-person "Free Agent Council" (different from the "Trade Council"), and they can decide if that is fair or not. Also, we could probably have a draft with players from the non-chosen teams. I'm not sure if this would work in the sim, but it's a thought. Then we could sign our rookies as we would our protected players.

What do you think of this?
Your proposition would force us to lose our most valuable prospects :Crazy, and since we are intending on keeping this game for a while, no offense, I'm not too crazy about it.

I like your free-agent council ideal! I'm all for it!

:)

[Erik Bedard]

Your proposition would force us to lose our most valuable prospects :Crazy, and since we are intending on keeping this game for a while, no offense, I'm not too crazy about it.

I like your free-agent council ideal! I'm all for it!

:)

Ah, but let's say we could protect 32 guys, and we could protect seven of our best prospects, and get rid of the other guys *cough*Hee-Seop Choi*cough*Willie Harris*cough*cough

[Erik Bedard]

Oh, and Wilk: Thanks for the sig comment, but I lost a bet.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Ah, but let's say we could protect 32 guys, and we could protect seven of our best prospects, and get rid of the other guys *cough*Hee-Seop Choi*cough*Willie Harris*cough*cough
How about *cough*Fernando Tatis*cough*, :laugh

Seriously though, I think it's not realistic enough, why don't we just copy the real GM's and the real MLB rules?

Now that'd be interesting.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Oh, and Wilk: Thanks for the sig comment, but I lost a bet.
You did? That's alright, Wilk is close to Milk anyway :D

[Erik Bedard]

How about *cough*Fernando Tatis*cough*, :laugh

Seriously though, I think it's not realistic enough, why don't we just copy the real GM's and the real MLB rules?

Now that'd be interesting.


Well, OK, but then how about you can protect ten guys off your Minor League roster, and we'll do a Rule 5-type draft?

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Well, OK, but then how about you can protect ten guys off your Minor League roster, and we'll do a Rule 5-type draft?
Protecting 10 of them means giving them "Guaranteed" contracts, maybe that proposition about contracts would help, I'm all for making this thing more real.

[Erik Bedard]

I like real, but I also like relatively simple. I also like Rule 5 drafts. I think we should protect 10 players on our minor league roster, and submit the contract proposals to the Free Agent Council, who will be acting as the player's agent. Wow! I actually like that idea! We could have a council where all the members are just player agents, and they decide if they think the player is worthy of the contract.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I like real, but I also like relatively simple. I also like Rule 5 drafts. I think we should protect 10 players on our minor league roster, and submit the contract proposals to the Free Agent Council, who will be acting as the player's agent. Wow! I actually like that idea! We could have a council where all the members are just player agents, and they decide if they think the player is worthy of the contract.
That'd be very interesting! Wow! I like that idea too!
First we have to wait until YL, and everyone else wakes up since it's still early in the morning and they're "protecting" their beauty sleep :D

Gimme a few minutes so I can google the MLB GM rules and see what we can do...

[Erik Bedard]

OK, I'll be back on in about two hours, I gotta go. When YL and Jordan and the rest come, if you're still here, make sure they read this thread. post a note in the season thread if you like.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

This is interesting, I bet most of us didn't know this, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS VERY ATTENTIVELY:

Options

But let’s return to the players who do make the 40-man roster. As soon as that happens, the player gets three options. Each option lets a team send that player to the minors during a given year without penalty. The player doesn’t have to be put on waivers, pass GO, or collect $200.

The biggest misconception about options is that a player uses one up each time he’s sent to the minors. As a Red Sox fan, I watched Lou Merloni bounce between Pawtucket and Boston more often than Barry Bonds gets intentionally walked. Every team has their own version of Merloni: a sacrificial lamb who goes to the minors whenever a roster spot is needed. But it’s crucial to remember that each option covers one entire season. Once a player is optioned to the minors during a season (including Spring Training), that option is good for the whole year. The player can be recalled and sent back down as many times as the team wants that season, but it only counts as one option.

Not all players use up all three options. Roger Clemens has never been optioned to the minors. He made the majors in 1984, less than a year after being drafted, and had not been on the 40-man roster yet. Once he got to “The Show,” there was no looking back, and no reason to ever consider optioning Clemens to the minors.

This brings up another issue. If Houston’s GM suddenly went nuts and wanted to option Clemens to the minors, it couldn’t be done without permission. Players with five years or more of MLB experience can refuse an option and declare free agency. There are times when a veteran will accept an option. Late in Spring Training 2004, Detroit signed free agent Ugueth Urbina, who still wasn’t in game shape. Though the Tigers probably could have put him on the DL with a phantom injury, they noticed that the pitcher still had an option left. They asked Ugie if he’d mind going to the minors to get some innings under his belt. Urbina agreed to be optioned, got his velocity back, and then became Detroit’s closer.

Here’s an example to illustrate how the options clock works. Braves 2B Marcus Giles signed his first pro contract in 1997, at age 19. He played in the low minors from 1997-99 (and put up incredible numbers). After the 1999 season, the Braves had to put Giles on the 40-man roster or expose him to the Rule 5 Draft. Since Giles was a top prospect, the Braves added him to the 40-man roster.

But Giles was raw, so the Braves sent him to AA during Spring Training of 2000. That took care of Giles’ first option. He made the Braves’ opening day roster in 2001, but his numbers were mediocre, so Atlanta optioned him to AAA in May. The same situation occurred in 2002; Giles made the team but was sent to the minors in July. That was his third and final option. Each year Giles was optioned to the minors, he remained on the 40-man roster, and could have been called up and sent down as often as Atlanta wanted.

When a player is outrighted, several things happen. First, he’s removed from the 40-man roster. Second, he’s put on waivers. The other 29 teams have three days to claim him, with priority given to clubs with the worst records. If nobody claims him, he goes to the minors (though if he has 5 years of MLB experience, he can declare free agency).

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If the team wants to call him up again, they have to purchase his contract and put him back on the 40-man roster.
One final note on options and outrighting: these rules don’t apply to players on the DL who go on minor league rehab assignments. Those games are technically considered part of their time on the major league DL.

Waivers

Ah, but what if the team doesn’t want to keep the player, not even in the minor leagues? The quickest way is to skip the option/outrighting process and put the player on release waivers. The player goes on waivers, just like he would when he’s outrighted, and other teams can claim him. If he’s unclaimed, the team releases him. Not only is he taken off the 40-man roster, but he’s no longer part of the organization. He becomes a free agent, able to sign with any other team, and his original team is responsible for paying all of his salary (or most of it, if he signs elsewhere).

Designation for Assignment

A team can also designate a player for assignment. This method is used when a team needs to open a spot on the 40-man roster, but isn’t quite sure what to do with the player. A “DFA” player is taken off the 40-man roster immediately, but then sits in limbo for up to ten days, during which time the team can try to trade him. If the player isn’t traded, the team must release him or put him on waivers. If he clears waivers, he can be sent to the minor leagues (though again, if he has 5 years or more of MLB experience, he can declare free agency).

So those are the nuts and bolts of options, outrighting, release waivers, and designated for assignment procedures. But one question remains: why do these rules exist, when it would be so much easier to let teams call up and send down players whenever they want? There are two reasons.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

OK, I'll be back on in about two hours, I gotta go. When YL and Jordan and the rest come, if you're still here, make sure they read this thread. post a note in the season thread if you like.
Will do, Bye :waving

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Rules Governing Baseball Trades
The trade rumor mill churns rapidly every July as the alleged “trade deadline” approaches on the 31st. What players will be traded and where? Who will stay put? But do we really understand the Major League Baseball rules governing trades? There’s no better time than the present to go over them in detail.

The July 31 Trading Deadline

Announcers and writers often mention the July 31 trading deadline, implying that teams can’t make deals after that date. That’s not entirely accurate. From Opening Day until July 31 (and in the offseason), teams don’t have to put players on waivers before trading them. Players can still be traded from August 1 to the end of the season, but only if they clear waivers first.

How do waivers work?

A team can put a player on two types of waivers.

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Most waivers are revocable, which allow the team to cancel the waivers and keep the player if he’s claimed (though they can let the claiming team have him). Players can also be put on irrevocable waivers, meaning the team can’t keep the player if someone else claims him. The Red Sox infamously put Manny Ramirez on irrevocable waivers in 2003, hoping some team would take him – and more importantly, the $100 million remaining on his contract.
Waived players go onto a list that’s sent to every major league front office. Teams decide whether or not to claim players. If more than one team claims a player, he’s awarded to the one with the worst record (though if the waivers are revocable, the original team can keep him). By the time August rolls around, at least half of all major leaguers have been put on waivers. The ones who’ve cleared waivers—in other words, not claimed by any team—are eligible to be traded after July 31. Everyone else has to remain with their current teams for the rest of the season.

It’s a real cat-and-mouse game. Contenders routinely claim every star who’s put on waivers, just to make sure that their competitors don’t get him. By the same token, you don’t want to get stuck with a player you don’t need. A few years ago, Tampa Bay put Jose Canseco on waivers, hoping he’d clear for a potential trade. The Yankees claimed him, but only to prevent teams like Boston from getting a power hitter. Tampa Bay decided that it was a golden opportunity to save money, so they let the Yankees keep Canseco, who not only didn’t have a role, but also had to be paid a hefty salary.

Still, you’d be surprised at how many useful players do clear waivers. Even though most stars are ineligible to be traded, contenders are often able to boost their bench and bullpen with late August trades.

One more point on waivers. Many fans think teams can block trades. That’s not how it works. When teams see lists of waived players, they don’t know what trades (if any) are on the horizon. After the deadline, a player can only be traded after the other teams decide not to claim him. If the Cubs have a deal brewing for Ugueth Urbina in August, the Cardinals can’t suddenly claim him on waivers to block the deal. Urbina would have already cleared waivers, and by that point no other team could stop the trade.

The August 31 Deadline

The second trade deadline, August 31, has to do with playoff rosters. Players traded after that date are not eligible for the postseason with their new teams. Only players on a club’s 25-man roster or disabled list as of August 31 can appear in the playoffs. As a result, September trades are very rare and almost never significant.

There are loopholes that let teams add ineligible players to postseason rosters. The most famous example is Francisco “K-Rod” Rodriguez, who appeared in only five September games in 2002, yet was a huge factor in the Angels’ World Championship. And even K-Rod’s eligibility has been debated due to other technicalities.

Other Restrictions Still Apply

Some players have no-trade clauses in their contracts, which means they can’t be dealt without their permission. Others have modified versions, listing certain teams that they won’t go to. A few teams refuse to add any no-trade clauses in any of their players’ contracts, but most will acquiesce in order to ink a superstar.

Players who’ve spent 10 years in the majors and the last 5 on their current team can’t be traded without their permission. These players are commonly called 10-and-5 Men, and they’re treated exactly as if they have no-trade clauses.

[Erik Bedard]

OK. So I like the options rule, and are we tentatively accepting the Rule 5 draft rule?

[redlegsfan21]

Is there a site that lists options and contract values and lengths? I would really need to know about options.

[Reed Johnson]

What is the rule five draft anyways?

[JordanDL3891]

I remember rule 5 drafts in my video game :laugh ASB 2005, I always simmed around it.

Trade Council? so we need someone to approve trades? wont that take longer though? And if you want it realistic, I dont think there is one in real life.

5 people - thats like all we have active. :rolleyes:

If Houston’s GM suddenly went nuts and wanted to option Clemens to the minors, it couldn’t be done without permission. Players with five years or more of MLB experience can refuse an option and declare free agency.

hey! I'm not stupid! :p

well with that statement, there goes my shot of being one :p though it would be neat.

[Erik Bedard]

What is the rule five draft anyways?

Where all the teams pick one unprotected player from another team and they must keep him on their roster all season, or risk losing him to the team they drafted him from.

[Erik Bedard]

I didnt read it all yet, to complicated.

I remember rule 5 drafts in my video game :laugh ASB 2005, I always simmed around it.

Trade Council? so we need someone to approve trades? wont that take longer though? And if you want it realistic, I dont think there is one in real life.

5 people - thats like all we have active. :rolleyes:


the whole thing looks like a lot, I am all for simple but realistic.

I agree with you on the simple but realistic part. Rule 5 Drafts will be better in this game, as we only have a 40-man roster, not a 100-man roster, and most of the people in the minors are either legitimate prospects or veterans who can be useful if they're absolutely necessary.

I figured we had about ten really active GMs (wilkerson_rules, YL, you, JeffFrancouer7, me, nascarfn5, GoBravos, RichmondHillPhoenix, AG1, Gashouse6, AznInvasion, and whosyourpapi -- that's eleven), and that we could elect Free Agent and Trade councils (privately, of course), of eight people total. A person could not be on each council.

Also, go into the old BBFTG if you want to see why we need a Trade Council.

[JordanDL3891]

we wont be trading with ourselfs.

I heard about what happend.

If we had one in the beginning of the year, I would still have oswalt and DET would still have Pudge. :p

[Erik Bedard]

I realize that, but sometimes trades just aren't fair. I do like the "Agent Council" better than I like the "Trade Council".

[JordanDL3891]

sometimes trades just aren't fair.

yup your totaly right!

HOU trades Roy Oswalt and prospect to DET for Maroth

DET Trades Ivan Rodriguez and 1 mil to STL for Jason Giambi (who sucks in this game)

[Erik Bedard]

yup your totaly right!

HOU trades Roy Oswalt and prospect to DET for Maroth

DET Trades Ivan Rodriguez and 1 mil to STL for Jason Giambi (who sucks in this game)

And that's why we need the trade council. Maybe we should have four members on each Council, and have them each represent one division.

[JordanDL3891]

that sounds cool

...edit, or not, cause wilkerson_rulz and YL are in the same division and there really isnt anyone active in AL west.

[Erik Bedard]

I didn't mean represent the division they came from, I meant each could represent one division. Plus, I'm in the AL East too, you think I would want that? Plus, there would be eight, if my idea is accepted, four for the trades and four for the the agents.

[Erik Bedard]

OK. We need to come to a consensus on this.

Is everyone in favor of the "Agent Council" to act as player agents?

[JordanDL3891]

OK. We need to come to a consensus on this.

Is everyone in favor of the "Agent Council" to act as player agents?
yea why not

[redlegsfan21]

OK. We need to come to a consensus on this.

Is everyone in favor of the "Agent Council" to act as player agents?
I am.......

[Erik Bedard]

I'm pretty sure Wilk is too, so that's four people.

[Reed Johnson]

OK. We need to come to a consensus on this.

Is everyone in favor of the "Agent Council" to act as player agents?

Huh? Can someone please explain the agent council to me again. I dont understand english to well yet but good still. (I am french)

[Reed Johnson]

I like the "Trade Council" idea, but since we have so many deserving owners, I suggest we broaden it to five. Wilk and YL will definitely be on it, so then we elect three more people.

The rest I'm not so sure. I think we should keep our current free agency rules, and we can keep adding money to our 35M. I think we should be allowed to sell for cash, but I don't like PTBNL's that much.

My own rule proposition:

I think we should be allowed to protect 25 players on our 40-man roster, the rest will become free agents. I think our cap should be raised above 35M. I think that we must submit all the contracts we our giving our protected players to the three-person "Free Agent Council" (different from the "Trade Council"), and they can decide if that is fair or not. Also, we could probably have a draft with players from the non-chosen teams. I'm not sure if this would work in the sim, but it's a thought. Then we could sign our rookies as we would our protected players.

What do you think of this?

I like the idea of drafting players from teams that aren't used in this game if it is possible to add them to the rosters.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I am in favour of everything suggested. I would say that I am an active member... I would love to represent the AL West (if we are going that route).

I think that a complicated game gives an edge to people who really do thier homework. It provides an avenue for smart "GM's" to make brilliant moves. It rewards being active (you can't just "Set it and forget it").

[AznInvasion]

My head is spinning from all these rule change talks. I don't know about the rules yet... all interesting ideas. I would definitely like to represent as a trade council member. I'm active, trustworthy and a pretty good judge of trades. As for the rule changes, I don't mind a few changes but it's important to keep the game simple.

[JordanDL3891]

as long as we get really good discriptions, whatever, but I feel like with more rules I have a better chance at getting riped off.

Even though I made the bad Oswalt Maroth deal, I am pretty good when it comes to trades, I try to be active (just look at my site!) www.freewebs.com/houstonastrosbbftg/ look at the player pic of sheffield on the lineups and rosters button, some people think it is scary cause it looks so real!

anyways, what I am getting at is I would really like to represent in either the trade council or agent council.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Ok if we're going to keep this game we are going to have to make a plan. How much money the players are worth etc. Active Gm's???...A player council guy???. Um...How often are we going to play this game? I propose 2 times a year once durring the season and once in the offseason to give people something to do. We need to be able to be more hands on with our team, For example when we make a lineup change or a trade we need it to be in effect asap! durring the simulation. We need an official rules thread, we need to just delete all these old threads and start fresh because this is stupid. How do we determine free agents and active players!?!?!? see what I mean...

Frankly, we need a rules commitee. And a trade council??? If two GM's sign saying they agree...then it's fair...HOLY SMOKES WE NEED AN OFFICIAL RULE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!LISTEN WILK!!! LISTEN BEDARD!!! IT"S NOT TIME FOR NAME CHANGES IT"S TIME TO GET THIS LEAUGE IN ORDER!!! SAME WITH YOU YL!!! ACTUALLY MAKE A LINEUP CHANGE WHEN YOU ARE ASKED TOO!!! AND DON"T START PEOPLE WHO AREN"T EVEN ON MY 40 MAN ROSTER!!!!!!!! AND DON"T START RELIEVERS!!!!!!

Ok that's my 2 cents.:lookitup

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Ok if we're going to keep this game we are going to have to make a plan. How much money the players are worth etc. Active Gm's???...A player council guy???. Um...How often are we going to play this game? I propose 2 times a year once durring the season and once in the offseason to give people something to do. We need to be able to be more hands on with our team, For example when we make a lineup change or a trade we need it to be in effect asap! durring the simulation. We need an official rules thread, we need to just delete all these old threads and start fresh because this is stupid. How do we determine free agents and active players!?!?!? see what I mean...

Frankly, we need a rules commitee. And a trade council??? If two GM's sign saying they agree...then it's fair...HOLY SMOKES WE NEED AN OFFICIAL RULE BOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!LISTEN WILK!!! LISTEN BEDARD!!! IT"S NOT TIME FOR NAME CHANGES IT"S TIME TO GET THIS LEAUGE IN ORDER!!! SAME WITH YOU YL!!! ACTUALLY MAKE A LINEUP CHANGE WHEN YOU ARE ASKED TOO!!! AND DON"T START PEOPLE WHO AREN"T EVEN ON MY 40 MAN ROSTER!!!!!!!! AND DON"T START RELIEVERS!!!!!!

Ok that's my 2 cents.:lookitup
I agree we're not very organized, we should all think of a solution.
What should we do, I say we get rid of box scoring in team threads and have a new thread for it, I suggest we also have a thread where we want to chaneg our team

EX:

HOU options... to whatever....
Please replace Adam Everett with sanchez.

It'd be easier and more professional for us to post all our transactions in one thread

[JordanDL3891]

I always pm anything to YL so he doesnt need to go out of his way to find them.

Before he simms a game, he has to check each persons team thread, and the main one and his PM's before he can sim, and some times he leaves stuff off.

we should all just pm him of transactions.

I say no to a season during the offseason, then we would be 1 season ahead when the real 2007 season starts.

If you want somthing to do, go play a football transaction game.

I dont really see any threads we should delete, I think we should add a waivers thread, and add the box scores with the daily report. (put them all in 1 post each day)

maybe if possible, there could be a FA list where we get to see everyones contracts, I might be able to help with that part, I do have the mogul 07 demo.

[Erik Bedard]

Huh? Can someone please explain the agent council to me again. I dont understand english to well yet but good still. (I am french)

OK. We elect eight members, four for the trade council and four for the agent council, and the agent council will decide if a contract offered to a player is fair or not.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Guy's we can make this into a really awesome game. Let's just stay positive, get organized, make a set of rules and we'll be set.

[Erik Bedard]

OK. Are you FOR the proposed Agent Council or AGAINST it?

This will help make the rules.

[JordanDL3891]

Let's just stay positive

behind door #1, who is the one that isnt being positive:

LISTEN WILK!!! LISTEN BEDARD!!! IT"S NOT TIME FOR NAME CHANGES IT"S TIME TO GET THIS LEAUGE IN ORDER!!! SAME WITH YOU YL!!! ACTUALLY MAKE A LINEUP CHANGE WHEN YOU ARE ASKED TOO!!! AND DON"T START PEOPLE WHO AREN"T EVEN ON MY 40 MAN ROSTER!!!!!!!! AND DON"T START RELIEVERS

:rolleyes:

[Erik Bedard]

Come on, Jordan.

JB obviously is grouchy this morning.

OK, once Wilk confirms my prediction of him liking the Agent Council, and YL and Gashouse post, and AG1 makes a decision, if we have enough yes votes, why don't we start electing members?

It's important to me that we get this done QUICK, as I'm leaving for two weeks starting 7/31

[JordanDL3891]

I am leaving sun. and will be back fri. night, I told gashouse6 to sub for me.

Just to make sure you know, I say yes.

[Erik Bedard]

Just one problem, I'm currently subbing for Gashouse6. That might be a problem.

[JordanDL3891]

lol, ok, your sure you dont want to sub for the astros and the cardinals and the cubs then? cause I am subbing for the cubs.

[JordanDL3891]

then maybe nascarfn5 could look after my team.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Guy's we can make this into a really awesome game. Let's just stay positive, get organized, make a set of rules and we'll be set.
All right, that's the spirit, better than your previous post :D
I already have a rules thread but last time I checked it wasn't stickied, I will update it today.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I always pm anything to YL so he doesnt need to go out of his way to find them.

Before he simms a game, he has to check each persons team thread, and the main one and his PM's before he can sim, and some times he leaves stuff off.

we should all just pm him of transactions.

I say no to a season during the offseason, then we would be 1 season ahead when the real 2007 season starts.

If you want somthing to do, go play a football transaction game.

I dont really see any threads we should delete, I think we should add a waivers thread, and add the box scores with the daily report. (put them all in 1 post each day)

maybe if possible, there could be a FA list where we get to see everyones contracts, I might be able to help with that part, I do have the mogul 07 demo.
I said we should create a thread and instead of posting our transactions in the Season Thread or our Team Threads we just post it there!
I will do that too!

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

OK. We elect eight members, four for the trade council and four for the agent council, and the agent council will decide if a contract offered to a player is fair or not.
You have my vote, I'm for it too, but, no, we call it Agent Council and we have only 3 members, it's simple that way!

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I updated the rules Thread everyone PLEASE CHECK IT OUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW TO MAKES TRADES AND CALL UP PLAYERS PROPERLY!

Here are some moer suggestions that I like:

Luxury tax: "This is not final, but we may have a luxury tax to control payroll, we'd make an average of every team payroll and if a team surpasses that number they'd be penalized."

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Now we need to vote for the agent council, to vote, please p'm myself and name me your three votes (three members).

[JordanDL3891]

you and YL should allready be part of it.

[Gashouse6]

The game is fine the way it is. The Agent Council is a good idea, but we still should be able to trade money.

[Yankee Legend]

I propose we have a trading block. We should make it July 31st in our game like in the real MLB.

[Erik Bedard]

I propose we have a trading block. We should make it July 31st in our game like in the real MLB.

But then that's no fun! The whole fun part of this game is trading players!

Are we going to have a Trade Council as well? Just to make sure that trades are fair?

Oh, and if we're not, then I propose we largen the Agent Council to five members.

[Reed Johnson]

I think maybe we should change the rules after this season is simmed.....
I dont like it much when rules are changed mid-season. We can decide who the FA's are right after the season and make up some new rules for the game to make it better.

[JordanDL3891]

yea I aggree with that.

[Erik Bedard]

I think maybe we should change the rules after this season is simmed.....
I dont like it much when rules are changed mid-season. We can decide who the FA's are right after the season and make up some new rules for the game to make it better.

I figured that's what we were doing the whole time.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Someone needs to clear this up once and for all. Are these changes effective immediatley, or begin next season?

[Yankee Legend]

I think it should be at the end of this season but it's wilk's call.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I think it should be at the end of this season but it's wilk's call.
These changes will take effect immediately after the season ends, it is in my belief we should continue as planned so we won't mess up.
I strongly suggest though you visit the link I had in the Rules Thread and compile your salaries per player searching thru their database just to prepare for the offseason.

[Erik Bedard]

Then are we raising our salary cap to 100 million? Because there's no way that anyone can sign all of our players with just this puny 35 million.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Then are we raising our salary cap to 100 million? Because there's no way that anyone can sign all of our players with just this puny 35 million.
That's mu suggestion in the first place:
Raise a a salary cap to 100 million including FA's and salaries on your team.
Calculate all the salaries, know your cap space and that must be included in deals.

I've always found it to be something that'd improve the game dramatically financially and affect everything we do.

[Gashouse6]

That's mu suggestion in the first place:
Raise a a salary cap to 100 million including FA's and salaries on your team.
Calculate all the salaries, know your cap space and that must be included in deals.

I've always found it to be something that'd improve the game dramatically financially and affect everything we do.
So do we just make up their salaries? How do we do that part?

[Erik Bedard]

OK, that's good. Oh, and what about my suggestion to enlarge the AC to five people? You, YL, and three elected members?

[Erik Bedard]

So do we just make up their salaries? How do we do that part?
There's supposedly a link in the Rules Thread, but I can't find it.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

It's a link in the rules section. It links to usatoday.com, and it has the salaries of all MLB players this season. Then we sign free agents in the off season. The link is one word only. In para 3), it says..."can be found here...". The "here" is the link.

A question: Do all the players on the 40-man roster count towards the cap? Or just the 25 men. And if we call up a player from the 40 man, how much does that count (if the cap only applies to the 25 man roster).

[Erik Bedard]

Cool, found it, thanks. Salaries coming tomorrow!

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

It's a link in the rules section. It links to usatoday.com, and it has the salaries of all MLB players this season. Then we sign free agents in the off season. The link is one word only. In para 3), it says..."can be found here...". The "here" is the link.

A question: Do all the players on the 40-man roster count towards the cap? Or just the 25 men. And if we call up a player from the 40 man, how much does that count (if the cap only applies to the 25 man roster).
On the 40-man.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

What do we do about those for whom we can't find salaries? Aka minor leaguers.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

What do we do about those for whom we can't find salaries? Aka minor leaguers.
Minimum: 327,000$

[Yankee Legend]

Is the salary cap in effect now? If so then I'm gonna have a very big trading block (if not, then I will by the end of the season).

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Is the salary cap in effect now? If so then I'm gonna have a very big trading block (if not, then I will by the end of the season).
The salary cap will take effect after the all-star break.

[Yankee Legend]

What happens if I dont meet the $100 million requirement by the AS break? Does it come out of my $35 million budget?

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

What happens if I dont meet the $100 million requirement by the AS break? Does it come out of my $35 million budget?
It comes out of your FA budget and if that's not enough you drop a few contracts.

Check your p'ms.

[otis89]

I have a question. Can we sign players to extensions during the season?

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Are our players contracts the length of their actual current contracts?

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Are our players contracts the length of their actual current contracts?
Yes, they are.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I have a question. Can we sign players to extensions during the season?
IF you want, soon, starting in August, you will be able to sign any free-agents availavle (like Jaret Wright who cleared waivers), starting after the season, the real free-agent signings begin, GM's can offer contracts to UFA's to the voted agent council and you will be able to offer contracts to them and they will either accept of reject that deal, they represent the players.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

A few questions.

1. If multiple people are going after one guy, is it simply highest bidder wins?

2. Is there also going to be a trade council?

3. Anyone know where you can find the length of player's current contracts?

4. Are we going to have arbitration for restricted FA's?

[JordanDL3891]

my payroll is up on my site, under roster (www.freewebs.com/houstonastrosbbftg)

I got the contract lengths from Mogul 07 and the contracts from Mogul 07 and the USA today link. (only a couple I used Mogul)

does anyone know where to find how many options a player has left?

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Ya. I would also like to know where to find the # of options a player has left.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Ya. I would also like to know where to find the # of options a player has left.
Well, if he has less than 5 years experience he has 3 options to minors, every time you send him down, you use an option, you should know that, no one would tell you.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

So every player has 3 options left? What if a team has used an option on them in the past couple years? Or are we ignoring that and giving every player with less than 5 years experience 3 options...

For example:

What if Charlie Haeger has been optionned before... Would he only have 2 options left for me as the GM to use, or what...

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

So every player has 3 options left? What if a team has used an option on them in the past couple years? Or are we ignoring that and giving every player with less than 5 years experience 3 options...

For example:

What if Charlie Haeger has been optionned before... Would he only have 2 options left for me as the GM to use, or what...

Every YEAR a player that makes the 40-man roster automaatically has 3 options and can be sent to the minors safely, players with at least 5 years experience cannot be optioned and will become FA`s

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Maybe I misunderstood the option rule, but:

"Options"
After three years as a pro, a player must be protected on a team's 40-man roster, or he is eligible for the Rule 5 draft (more on that later). Once he's served those three years, and assuming he is added to the 40-man roster, his club then has what are called "options" on him.

When a player is on the 40-man roster but not on the 25-man Major League roster, he is on "optional assignment." One common misconception about the rules is that a player may only be "optioned out" three times. Actually, each player has three option years, and he can be sent up and down as many times as the club chooses within those three seasons.

When you hear that a player is "out of options," that means he's been on the 40-man roster during three different seasons, beginning with his fourth as a pro, and to be sent down again he'll have to clear waivers (more on those below).

This is from the ESPN transaction primer. (http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html)