2006 Women's World Cup of Baseball

[NotAboutEgo]

2006 Women's Baseball World Cup

The 2006 Women's World Cup will be played in Taipei, Taiwan from August 1-6, 2006.

Seven teams have entered the world cup this year -

Australia
Hong Kong
Canada
Taiwan
Japan
Cuba
USA (2004 Gold Medalist)

The World Cup will play a round-robin format with medal competitions at the end. Gold, Silver and Bronze medals will be awarded.

www.awbf.org
www.usabaseball.com

[DownUnderDodger]

Thanks NotAboutEgo. I did not realise this competition existed. I doubt there will be any coverage at all - certainly not in Australia anyway! I have never heard or read of Women's baseball in the media here :grouchy

[bluejaysfan4ever]

Are the fields used for these games smaller than those in MLB?

[DownUnderDodger]

I checked the Australian baseball federation website to see what info they may have re the Women's WC and this is all they have!! I don't have any info on Australian players, but if I find any I will post them. I am now wondering if any Aussies who represent in the WC are actually playing in USA leagues??

II Womens Baseball World Cup

Event Start Date/Time 1 Aug 2006
Event End Date/Time 6 Aug 2006
Organised by IBAF
Event Location Taipei City, Chinese Taipei
Map Reference
Country Chinese Taipei
State Int
Type of Event Tournament
Level of Event International event
Category of Event Tournament
Other Information This event is organised by the International BAseball Federation of which the Australian Baseball Federation is a member.
Contact name Australian Baseball Federation
Contact Address PO Box 10468
Southport BC QLD 4215


Phone 07-55094144
Mobile
Fax 07-55094155
Email address ausbaseball@baseball.org.au
Event website Not yet available

[NotAboutEgo]

Thanks NotAboutEgo. I did not realise this competition existed. I doubt there will be any coverage at all - certainly not in Australia anyway! I have never heard or read of Women's baseball in the media here :grouchy

You're welcome. Most people don't know these things exist, so a lot of us are trying to get it out there. Australia actually has a very strong representation of women's baseball. It's hard to get media coverage and advertising in the "building stages" of the sport because of money and all that, but it would be nice if we could get some coverage.

It's so different in other countries. In Japan and Korea, they support women's baseball a WHOLE LOT more than people here. They make a big deal out of national and international competitions. Later I will see if I can find info on it.

[NotAboutEgo]

Are the fields used for these games smaller than those in MLB?

No. Women play on regulation size baseball fields/diamonds... at least here in the U.S. and in Canada. I believe it's the same in Australia and pretty much everywhere where women's baseball is played.

During the Women's World Series, there is a modified division for less experienced teams with 80 ft. base paths and 56 ft. pitching distance. They divided the competition into 2 categories... a higher and a lower... so the less experienced teams wouldn't get slaughtered. Makes sense to me... just so all of women's baseball doesn't go to the modified dimensions. :gt

[NotAboutEgo]

I checked the Australian baseball federation website to see what info they may have re the Women's WC and this is all they have!! I don't have any info on Australian players, but if I find any I will post them. I am now wondering if any Aussies who represent in the WC are actually playing in USA leagues??

II Womens Baseball World Cup

Event Start Date/Time 1 Aug 2006
Event End Date/Time 6 Aug 2006
Organised by IBAF
Event Location Taipei City, Chinese Taipei
Map Reference
Country Chinese Taipei
State Int
Type of Event Tournament
Level of Event International event
Category of Event Tournament
Other Information This event is organised by the International BAseball Federation of which the Australian Baseball Federation is a member.
Contact name Australian Baseball Federation
Contact Address PO Box 10468
Southport BC QLD 4215


Phone 07-55094144
Mobile
Fax 07-55094155
Email address ausbaseball@baseball.org.au
Event website Not yet available

I can probably find some more info/links, but will have to do it a bit later. Some women from Australia have played over here. Kellie Manzie is one of them. I'm not sure of others specifically, but there may be more. I know there have been women from Asia playing here, too... I believe they came here for school or work.

[Baseball Mum]

I'm new to this forum and just found this discussion and can add some info.

The Australian girls leave for Taiwan tomorrow (Monday 23rd July) and the World Cup starts next week. The Nationals to choose the Australian team were played in Queensland at Easter time, and NSW were the winners. Watch out for Renee Straumietis, a pitcher. She pitched the whole game for NSW in the final of the Nationals and was awesome to watch.

I don't know how many of these girls have played in America, but I know some have, at least for short periods of time. I know that quite a few of them play 2nd and 3rd grade Major League here, they don't just play in the womens comps.

Yes, all women's comps here in Australia are played with full baseball rules on full baseball diamonds. The B grade comp for the finals has timed games rather than innings games, but that's about the only difference.

[Baseball Mum]

Down Under Dodger, there has been a little bit of media in my local press, but it's certainly not the big papers. Our local paper did a piece on a local who was in the NSW team, and then a local community radio station did a piece afterwards. The announcer had seen it in the paper, and knows her and rang and asked for details. But that's been it. It's very much on a local level.

Not sure what your involvement is, but do you know about the Friday night womens comps at BOP in summer? They start again in September.

Here is a link to the Australian team list. http://tinyurl.com/nqcox

[Comm]

Does it matter about the field size? I honestly don't see anyone of those women hitting a ball over the 410ft CF fence.

[DownUnderDodger]

Down Under Dodger, there has been a little bit of media in my local press, but it's certainly not the big papers. Our local paper did a piece on a local who was in the NSW team, and then a local community radio station did a piece afterwards. The announcer had seen it in the paper, and knows her and rang and asked for details. But that's been it. It's very much on a local level.

Not sure what your involvement is, but do you know about the Friday night womens comps at BOP in summer? They start again in September.

Here is a link to the Australian team list. http://tinyurl.com/nqcox
Many thanks for your info Baseball Mum. I don't have any involvement in baseball except that love the game. As I mentioned before I did not even know we had women's baseball teams in Oz.....heck we struggle to get info on MLB and our men's teams get very little, if any coverage in our media. I am going to ask a Sports Mag (ALPHA) if they would consider doing an article on the Women's WC, and women's baseball in general.

What region are you from that you get coverage in your local paper??

[Baseball Mum]

I'm in western Sydney and her local junior club contacted the paper. Good luck with the Alpha mag. I was listening to the radio the other day and thought they had one of the Australian women on, then realised they were talking to a softballer. I should have contected them there and then to tell them about the world cup. They won't know if those of us who do know don't tell them.

[DownUnderDodger]

I'm in western Sydney and her local junior club contacted the paper. Good luck with the Alpha mag. I was listening to the radio the other day and thought they had one of the Australian women on, then realised they were talking to a softballer. I should have contected them there and then to tell them about the world cup. They won't know if those of us who do know don't tell them.

I just sent an email to APLHA. Do you read that mag? It is a really good sports mag and only costs $2 a month, with the Daily Telegraph.

[Baseball Mum]

I don't read Alpha, but I'll look out for it. I've just emailed ABC and 2WS radio, but if by chance they do put something to air on the next two weekends, I'll be out playing baseball. I'll have to get someone to listen out for it.

[JeepingBaseball]

are these games being telecast?

[Baseball Mum]

I wouldn't imagine any women's baseball will be telecast, except maybe in Taiwan itself. I have a contact in Taiwan, I'll ask that question. Certainly, our women's games here in Australia are not telecast or covered in any way other than an occasional personal interest story.

[JeepingBaseball]

that sucks. I would like to see some of it.

[NotAboutEgo]

Does it matter about the field size? I honestly don't see anyone of those women hitting a ball over the 410ft CF fence.

It certainly matters that we play on regulation size diamonds and not on smaller diamonds. The outfield fences don't have to be 400 ft., but they shouldn't be too shallow, either. There is a lot more to baseball than hitting 400 ft. homeruns. Unfortunately, that's what gets the attention of marketers... one more thing they can make money off of.

[NotAboutEgo]

The schedule for the 2006 Women's World Cup is posted here... http://www.awbf.org/2006_WWC_page.html

:lookitup

Schedule is subject to change.

[NotAboutEgo]

I'm new to this forum and just found this discussion and can add some info.

The Australian girls leave for Taiwan tomorrow (Monday 23rd July) and the World Cup starts next week. The Nationals to choose the Australian team were played in Queensland at Easter time, and NSW were the winners. Watch out for Renee Straumietis, a pitcher. She pitched the whole game for NSW in the final of the Nationals and was awesome to watch.

I don't know how many of these girls have played in America, but I know some have, at least for short periods of time. I know that quite a few of them play 2nd and 3rd grade Major League here, they don't just play in the womens comps.

Yes, all women's comps here in Australia are played with full baseball rules on full baseball diamonds. The B grade comp for the finals has timed games rather than innings games, but that's about the only difference.

Thanks for the info, Mum.

[NotAboutEgo]

I'm new to this forum and just found this discussion and can add some info.

The Australian girls leave for Taiwan tomorrow (Monday 23rd July) and the World Cup starts next week. The Nationals to choose the Australian team were played in Queensland at Easter time, and NSW were the winners. Watch out for Renee Straumietis, a pitcher. She pitched the whole game for NSW in the final of the Nationals and was awesome to watch.

I don't know how many of these girls have played in America, but I know some have, at least for short periods of time. I know that quite a few of them play 2nd and 3rd grade Major League here, they don't just play in the womens comps.

Yes, all women's comps here in Australia are played with full baseball rules on full baseball diamonds. The B grade comp for the finals has timed games rather than innings games, but that's about the only difference.

The men's leagues that you are speaking of that the women are playing in... are they professional leagues? Are the 2nd and 3rd grade Majors like the minor league system here? I'm not familiar with men's baseball in Australia and how it works. It's nice to see that somewhere in the world women don't have to fight so much to play baseball, at the levels that they are good enough to play at.

Makes me really continually question why the notion that the U.S. is the best country on the planet for everything is constantly drilled into people's heads from the time they are born. Oh, I know why that's so... because the same ones who are telling women they can't play baseball are the ones who are saying that... most likely. :laugh :radio

[Baseball Mum]

The men's leagues that you are speaking of that the women are playing in... are they professional leagues? Are the 2nd and 3rd grade Majors like the minor league system here? I'm not familiar with men's baseball in Australia and how it works. It's nice to see that somewhere in the world women don't have to fight so much to play baseball, at the levels that they are good enough to play at.

:radio


None of our baseballers, mens or womens is professional, unless they go to America or Japan to play. It's all amateur. I guess that means we had no trouble getting a team up for the Olympics hey? ;-) I would guess that it's at most your minor leagues. Our majors run seperate comps over both summer and winter, and the summer comp is the tougher comp. I know that the kids who play 3rd or 2nd grade in winter go for Under 18s in summer, so the quality picks up somewhat. I've just watched my first season of winter comp and am about to watch my first season of summer, so I don't know just how much tougher it is. I'll let you know in a few months time.

There is an interstate comp at the beginning of every year, the Claxton Shield, and that is the pinnacle of our system. It is from that comp that they choose the Australian team.

[Aussieballplayer]

Hi,
I am fortunate enough to be one of those ballplayers from Australia that has travelled abroad with baseball. I played in the current NSW team that won the Nationals at Easter and am currently in USA playing for an elite women's baseball league which is owned by the owner of the Nashua Pride Professional Baseball Club. The league is called the NAWBL and the director of this league is also the general manager of that same ball club. You can check out the women's league at www.nawbl.com (http://www.nawbl.com).
Players from the all over the USA and Canada participate in this league which has travelled to Japan and the Dominican Republic aswell as all across the nation.
I also played in the mens major league the past two years in 2nd grade and there are approximately 5 other girls that also play.
Women's baseball in Australia unfortunately is under a political stronghold which is what's holding us back from taking the next step like those countries such as Usa, Canada and Japan.
Also despite the fact women's baseball throughout the country is growing immensely each year.. cracking the women's baseball/softball difference is also very hard.
It's awesome to see that you guys are so interested in women's baseball and I hope that this support grows.
Look forward to hearing more from you all.

[Baseball Mum]

Hi,
I am fortunate enough to be one of those ballplayers from Australia that has travelled abroad with baseball. I played in the current NSW team that won the Nationals at Easter


Aussieballplayer, that game against Vic was an awesome final! Congrats and good luck for your current situation. (I'm a rookie's Mum)

[NotAboutEgo]

None of our baseballers, mens or womens is professional, unless they go to America or Japan to play. It's all amateur. I guess that means we had no trouble getting a team up for the Olympics hey? ;-) I would guess that it's at most your minor leagues. Our majors run seperate comps over both summer and winter, and the summer comp is the tougher comp. I know that the kids who play 3rd or 2nd grade in winter go for Under 18s in summer, so the quality picks up somewhat. I've just watched my first season of winter comp and am about to watch my first season of summer, so I don't know just how much tougher it is. I'll let you know in a few months time.

There is an interstate comp at the beginning of every year, the Claxton Shield, and that is the pinnacle of our system. It is from that comp that they choose the Australian team.

Very interesting. I thought there was pro ball in Australia. Do you think there will be someday, or isn't there enough interest for it?

[DownUnderDodger]

I just checked the FOXTEL Tv guide for August and there is no mention of the Women's WC in the programming, which is no surprise (if ESPN can show, and repeat, a hotdog eating competition why can't they show some women's baseball??). There is no way it will be covered on free-to-air Tv here.

[NotAboutEgo]

I just checked the FOXTEL Tv guide for August and there is no mention of the Women's WC in the programming, which is no surprise (if ESPN can show, and repeat, a hotdog eating competition why can't they show some women's baseball??). There is no way it will be covered on free-to-air Tv here.

As if something like a hotdog eating competition is popular... same as I feel about the dart competitions. Are these sports??? :noidea :ughh :confused: :eek:

[Aussieballplayer]

Yes it was a great game. And if it were televised i'm sure it would spark a lot of interest in Australia. No you have me thinking baseball Mum!!!

There used to be pro baseball in Australia. The ABL ran from the early 90's until about 1998. Unfortunately lack of good leadership and funding caused it to fold. There was quite a bit of interest in the ABL but through lack of promotion and sponsorship the boat pretty much sank. There has been talk however of bringing the ABL back as we do farm alot of major league prospects, but at the moment it's pretty much a pipe dream and all the men's leagues throughout Australia are sticking with their own major league clubs.
Another thing that needs to be kept in mind when thinking about getting back into a professional league is any prospective college players can't play because it would ruin their eligibility and to be honest we don't have enough ballplayers at that elite level in the country to run a strong professional league.

[NotAboutEgo]

Yes it was a great game. And if it were televised i'm sure it would spark a lot of interest in Australia. No you have me thinking baseball Mum!!!

There used to be pro baseball in Australia. The ABL ran from the early 90's until about 1998. Unfortunately lack of good leadership and funding caused it to fold. There was quite a bit of interest in the ABL but through lack of promotion and sponsorship the boat pretty much sank. There has been talk however of bringing the ABL back as we do farm alot of major league prospects, but at the moment it's pretty much a pipe dream and all the men's leagues throughout Australia are sticking with their own major league clubs.
Another thing that needs to be kept in mind when thinking about getting back into a professional league is any prospective college players can't play because it would ruin their eligibility and to be honest we don't have enough ballplayers at that elite level in the country to run a strong professional league.

Interesting. Sounds like it's something that would take a lot of work, organizing, funds, etc., much like women's baseball. Perhaps if it ever did get going again, more talent would be polished into more elite level players. There have to be a lot of people there with the necessary talent. It takes time and effort to build.

[DownUnderDodger]

Just a little tidbit on the Aussies
http://www.baseball.com.au/?page=25679

And the schedule:
http://www.baseball.com.au/?Page=25632

[NotAboutEgo]

Just a little tidbit on the Aussies
http://www.baseball.com.au/?page=25679

And the schedule:
http://www.baseball.com.au/?Page=25632

Pretty cool...

[LadyMarlin71]

I'm female player from Fort Lauderdale, Florida and I actually tried out for the USA National team. I didn't make it, although I am proud of myself for even trying.

I play for a awesome new team in Orlando. Although the 3-hour drives to and from practice suck, playing for this team is worth it.

NotAboutEgo, where do you play ball?

[NotAboutEgo]

I'm female player from Fort Lauderdale, Florida and I actually tried out for the USA National team. I didn't make it, although I am proud of myself for even trying.

I play for a awesome new team in Orlando. Although the 3-hour drives to and from practice suck, playing for this team is worth it.

NotAboutEgo, where do you play ball?

Hi LadyMarlin71... I play in Detroit for the Detroit Danger. I tried out for Team USA in 2004 and didn't make it, and like you said, I'm proud of myself for trying. I was part of the first-ever tryout for the first-ever U.S. women's national team. I may tryout again in 2008. I didn't tryout this year because of issues with my lower back (from injuries) that I'm working on healing right now.

That's cool that you are committing that much to baseball to drive 3 hours (is that one way or round trip?) for practices and games. Sometimes that's what we have to do until there is more opportunity. I hope to see women's baseball grow in Florida with more teams and some leagues like in the past. Good luck!

[Mrs.Chucky]

Yes Women's Baseball is reasonably strong in Australia.Our family has been involved with the Victorian women's team @ the last 3 nationals.
Hopefully with more media coverage the sport can take grow more:lookitup !!!
Good luck to our Aussie girls in Taiwan.:waving

[Mrs.Chucky]

G'day downunderdodger,
You live in a strong baseball area of NSW.There is womens teams locally there & many youngsters have been shipped off to the USA from around there too.:atthepc

[LadyMarlin71]

Hi LadyMarlin71... I play in Detroit for the Detroit Danger. I tried out for Team USA in 2004 and didn't make it, and like you said, I'm proud of myself for trying. I was part of the first-ever tryout for the first-ever U.S. women's national team. I may tryout again in 2008. I didn't tryout this year because of issues with my lower back (from injuries) that I'm working on healing right now.

That's cool that you are committing that much to baseball to drive 3 hours (is that one way or round trip?) for practices and games. Sometimes that's what we have to do until there is more opportunity. I hope to see women's baseball grow in Florida with more teams and some leagues like in the past. Good luck!

It's 3 hours each way with a 4 hour practice in between, plus gas and food break. So it's a 10-12 hour day for me. By the time I get back home, I'm dead.

I tried to start a new team down here, but no one was interested. Maybe I'll try again next year.

Is your team going to play in the Women's World Series in October or the Roy Hobbs World Series in November? If so, my team is the Orlando Heat. Stop and say hello! :waving

[Baseball Mum]

I have a contact who lives in Taiwan and I just heard that the games are being televised there. Australia beat Hong Kong 24 - 2 this morning but I don't know what the other results were. I'm not sure whether that was the final result either.

I was having trouble finding out any information, so I'll keep you posted when I hear any more.

[DownUnderDodger]

G'day downunderdodger,
You live in a strong baseball area of NSW.There is womens teams locally there & many youngsters have been shipped off to the USA from around there too.:atthepc
Hi Mrs.Chucky :waving
We get an occasional report in the local paper about the men's comp (in which there are 4 teams in the winter comp and 5 in the summer comp), but I have never heard or read anything about a women's comp!! Will keep my eyes out.
I am facilitating a wine tasting on Friday at a local bottle shop (liquor store, for the Americans) for some wines from your area.....Melville Hill Estate. The vineyards are just north of your town. Their Cabernet Merlot is excellent if you like a nice smooth red wine. :D

[DownUnderDodger]

I have a contact who lives in Taiwan and I just heard that the games are being televised there. Australia beat Hong Kong 24 - 2 this morning but I don't know what the other results were. I'm not sure whether that was the final result either.

I was having trouble finding out any information, so I'll keep you posted when I hear any more.
The IBAF website showed that Canada defeated USA 5-2. These are the only two completed games, prior to the Opening Ceremony!!

[NotAboutEgo]

I have a contact who lives in Taiwan and I just heard that the games are being televised there. Australia beat Hong Kong 24 - 2 this morning but I don't know what the other results were. I'm not sure whether that was the final result either.

I was having trouble finding out any information, so I'll keep you posted when I hear any more.

Thanks, Baseball Mum. I will also look for info. It's great to see the games being televised in Taiwan. We can see they are further ahead in that aspect than we are here in the States. Not trying to take shots at anyone, but jsut stating facts and my opinion. Perhaps that will push other areas of the globe to promote women's baseball like it is being promoted there.

[NotAboutEgo]

It's 3 hours each way with a 4 hour practice in between, plus gas and food break. So it's a 10-12 hour day for me. By the time I get back home, I'm dead.

I tried to start a new team down here, but no one was interested. Maybe I'll try again next year.

Is your team going to play in the Women's World Series in October or the Roy Hobbs World Series in November? If so, my team is the Orlando Heat. Stop and say hello! :waving

That's a HUGE commitment on your part, and I highly applaud you for that. I can see myself doing something like that just to play baseball! My team won't be at the Women's World Series or at Roy Hobbs because we took a break from playing this season, but I plan on playing in Roy Hobbs. I would like to play in the Women's World Series as well, but I don't know if they take individual players. It sounds like it's for established teams, but I can check into it.

[NotAboutEgo]

Women's World Cup info can be found at http://www.awbf.org/. It's on the home page and there is a standings box. So far, it looks like Canada and Australia have each won a game, and USA and Hong Kong have each lost a game. Each team's roster is posted as well.

[DownUnderDodger]

Japan beat Chinese Taipei 9-0

[DownUnderDodger]

Sadly (for me) USA beat Australia 7-2.
Chinese Taipei beat Hong Kong 22-2
Japan beat Cuba (score shows 0-0 but that must be wrong, unless there are some rules I don't know about for tied games :noidea

[NotAboutEgo]

Sadly (for me) USA beat Australia 7-2.
Chinese Taipei beat Hong Kong 22-2
Japan beat Cuba (score shows 0-0 but that must be wrong, unless there are some rules I don't know about for tied games :noidea

It's good to see USA got a win! Not sure about the 0-0 game. Looks like Hong Kong is struggling, but the experience will be great for them and will help them progress and improve. 4 teams... USA, Canada, Australia, and Japan have been playing longer internationally. It must be a bit intimidating going into an international competition without experience, but ya gotta start from somewhere!

Good luck to all teams/countries!

[Baseball_Canada_21]

Canada is playing Japan today and so far their record is 2-0. They beat the Defending World Cup Champions (The US) 5-2 and also beat the Cuba National Team 10-8. I have been on the Canadian National team for the last two years but I couldn't go to Taiwan because of a knee injury.
Also Cuba has played internationally before the World Cup. Last year Team Canada went down to Havana and played a 4 game exhibition series, so they do have some experience.

GO CANADA GO

Baseball Canada News (http://66.241.210.162/eng_cat.cfm?CatID=30&Related=29&OrigID=149)

:clapping :gt :clapping

[NotAboutEgo]

Canada is playing Japan today and so far their record is 2-0. They beat the Defending World Cup Champions (The US) 5-2 and also beat the Cuba National Team 10-8. I have been on the Canadian National team for the last two years but I couldn't go to Taiwan because of a knee injury.
Also Cuba has played internationally before the World Cup. Last year Team Canada went down to Havana and played a 4 game exhibition series, so they do have some experience.

GO CANADA GO

Baseball Canada News (http://66.241.210.162/eng_cat.cfm?CatID=30&Related=29&OrigID=149)

:clapping :gt :clapping

I forgot about Team Canada going to Cuba... very cool. A team from the States also went to the Dominican to play their national team. Maybe the Dominicans will be in the WWC in 2008.

[NotAboutEgo]

It's hard for me to sit still here at work knowing the WWC is happening. Too bad it's not on TV here (US) like it is in Taiwan. Wish I was there playing or at least watching it!

[Baseball_Canada_21]

I know how ya feel... why can't they broadcast it on the internet :'( I hate being here at home when they are playing. I am glad that my friends from the team are able to access email so I can keep up to date with everything a little quicker than the newspapers and other websites. I wish my kneewas better, than I could of went.. but now its a work in progress

[LadyMarlin71]

That's a HUGE commitment on your part, and I highly applaud you for that. I can see myself doing something like that just to play baseball! My team won't be at the Women's World Series or at Roy Hobbs because we took a break from playing this season, but I plan on playing in Roy Hobbs. I would like to play in the Women's World Series as well, but I don't know if they take individual players. It sounds like it's for established teams, but I can check into it.

I think they will take individual players. I think the single players are put into a pool so teams that need people can pick from there. Hope to see you there!

[NotAboutEgo]

I think they will take individual players. I think the single players are put into a pool so teams that need people can pick from there. Hope to see you there!

Thanks for the info. Maybe I'll be there.

[DownUnderDodger]

Unbeaten Canada and Japan are meeting on day 4. maybe the game is already over. Does anyone have a link to up to date results? The Aust Baseball website seems to be a day or so behind!!

[Mrs.Chucky]

Hiya all,
:hp I found this link to the womens baseball tournament.
give it a try!!!:confused: if not, I will be like this!!!:grouchy ha ha!!
http://www.baseball.ch/W/W.htm

[Baseball Mum]

Thanks for that Mrs Chucky. With Canada beating Japan 6 - 3 it looks like Canada is heading for the gold, with Japan eyeing the silver, leaving Australia and USA to fight it out for the bronze.

[NotAboutEgo]

Has anyone found out what happens in the case of a game ending in a score of 0-0? I have seen that quite a lot.

[Baseball_Canada_21]

I think 0-0 is that they haven't posted the scores yet.
Cuba vs. Japan was 15-0 for Japan

[Canadian Dad]

Thanks for that Mrs Chucky. With Canada beating Japan 6 - 3 it looks like Canada is heading for the gold, with Japan eyeing the silver, leaving Australia and USA to fight it out for the bronze.
I have just found this site and was reading the string...I would like to think that Canada is heading for gold but their defeat at the hands of Taipei this morning makes it a 'Ballgame"...while my hopes may be somewhat on hold this makes for a great tournament ...it aint over til its over to quote Yogi..wish I could have made it over..

[NotAboutEgo]

I think 0-0 is that they haven't posted the scores yet.
Cuba vs. Japan was 15-0 for Japan

I see. It's confusing when they do that.

[NotAboutEgo]

I have just found this site and was reading the string...I would like to think that Canada is heading for gold but their defeat at the hands of Taipei this morning makes it a 'Ballgame"...while my hopes may be somewhat on hold this makes for a great tournament ...it aint over til its over to quote Yogi..wish I could have made it over..

Anything can happen at any time!

[Baseball_Canada_21]

yeah i guess so

[Baseball_Canada_21]

what website was that Canadian Dad?

[Baseball_Canada_21]

I have just found this site and was reading the string...I would like to think that Canada is heading for gold but their defeat at the hands of Taipei this morning makes it a 'Ballgame"...while my hopes may be somewhat on hold this makes for a great tournament ...it aint over til its over to quote Yogi..wish I could have made it over..
What website was this on?

[NotAboutEgo]

What website was this on?

www.awbf.org shows Canada losing to Chinese Taipei 7-1. It must have just been posted not too long ago... either that or I didn't notice the score earlier.

[Baseball_Canada_21]

So for Canada to win the Gold medal they have to win the next two games, and then they will be tied for first if Japan beats the USA. Canada would get the gold medal because they beat Japan head to head. But then again anyone can win on any given day.

Go Canada :gt

[Canadian Dad]

I would think that if they win the next two games, they shopuld be in contention for gold..if they are in contention for gold against either Japan or the USA then Canada should be awarded gold .. however I can think of lots of Yogi quotes....but the one he never said ...go Canada...let's hear it for our ladies...:gt

[Canadian Dad]

What website was this on?
www.awbf.org

[Baseball Mum]

I have just found this site and was reading the string...I would like to think that Canada is heading for gold but their defeat at the hands of Taipei this morning makes it a 'Ballgame"...while my hopes may be somewhat on hold this makes for a great tournament ...it aint over til its over to quote Yogi..wish I could have made it over..

It certainly does make for a great contest at the top. Canadian Dad, do you have a daughter in the team? Good luck to her if you do.

[Baseball Mum]

I just saw on the http://www.baseball.ch/W/W.htm site that Australia has beaten Canada 9 - 4. That means (if I'm looking at it correctly) that the Japan / USA game tomorrow will be the gold medal game taking one of them to 5 wins and a loss. Then if Canada beat Hong Kong and Taipei beat Cuba it'll leave 4 teams with 4 wins and 2 losses to decide silver and bronze. I haven't added up the for and against yet, and don't know how they've planned to break the ties, but I'd guess that tomorrow's scores are going to be at least as important as the actual game results. Talk about taking it down to the wire. And my team is now finished so has to watch it all play out. :gt

[Baseball Mum]

Ooops, that site has a mistake. It has Taipei down as having 3 wins and 2 losses but it should be the other way round, so it'll be likely to be three teams on 4 and 2 fighting for the silver and bronze tomorrow.

[Baseball Mum]

Congratulations to the Americans - winning 13 - 11 over the Japanese. Now we need to watch the next two games to see who's in the running for silver and bronze.

[Baseball Mum]

OK, does anyone know what formula they used to break the tie for 2nd 3rd and 4th? Japan getting silver I understand, but on both head to head and for and against, Australia beat Canada by my calculations. Is there someting I'm missing? The only thing I can think of is that it had something to do with Canada beating both USA and Japan, but my reading hadn't come across that in the lead up to the decision. Can anyone enlighten me? :noidea

[Baseball_Canada_21]

So why does Japan get second? What are the tie breaking rules?

[NotAboutEgo]

So why does Japan get second? What are the tie breaking rules?

Perhaps they went by how many runs each team scored if they had a 4-2 record. That's how they usually do it in tourneys when there is a tie of win-loss record. I don't know what the international rules are.

[Baseball_Canada_21]

Perhaps they went by how many runs each team scored if they had a 4-2 record. That's how they usually do it in tourneys when there is a tie of win-loss record. I don't know what the international rules are.


But Canada ended up getting the bronze medal. While Australia had more runs than Canada, and Canada beat Japan head to head.:noidea

[Baseball Mum]

Over the tournament, Japan scored 92 runs, Australia 48 and Canada 36. If they are going on runs scored, I'd think it should be Japan silver, Australia bronze. If they are going on runs allowed in, then it ends up the same, as Japan let in 25, Australia 28 and Canada 29. If they are looking at the differential, it's Japan 67, Australia 20 and Canada 7, again the same result.

If on the other hand they are going on what happened in head to head competition, it's not possible to break the 3 because it's circular - Japan beat Australia, Australia beat Canada, and Canada beat Japan.

I can't think of a formula that would put the results the way they've said except that Canada beat both USA and Japan, but that's certainly not a regular formula I'd have thought. :confused:

[NotAboutEgo]

I can't think of a formula that would put the results the way they've said except that Canada beat both USA and Japan, but that's certainly not a regular formula I'd have thought. :confused:

Not sure then. I would hope they would use a better formula than that.

[baseball_in_hel*]

I agree that whatever formula they used to break the tie, is weird. But congratulations anyway to Canada for winning a baseball medal since we haven't won one in a while. I do think Canada deserves third place though because they beat the gold and silver medal teams.

[Baseball Mum]

OK, I've found out why - it EARNED runs, not just runs, so Canada jumped ahead of Australia. I don't know how many each scored, but that at least makes sense.
I eventually found it on the Australian baseball site - guess they knew there'd be other people asking too.

I know I was probably coming over as something of a pit bull, but I just like to know why decisions have been made, and it just took a little while for that to happen. :o

[NotAboutEgo]

OK, I've found out why - it EARNED runs, not just runs, so Canada jumped ahead of Australia. I don't know how many each scored, but that at least makes sense.
I eventually found it on the Australian baseball site - guess they knew there'd be other people asking too.

I know I was probably coming over as something of a pit bull, but I just like to know why decisions have been made, and it just took a little while for that to happen. :o

Thanks, Mum. I also like to know why something is the way it is instead of just knowing the outcome. Do you know if these are international/IBAF rules and if the same rules apply to the men's games? Just curious.

[Canadian Guy]

I've been following you're threads throughout the tournament and it has provided me with valuable information, Thanks! Perhaps I can help a little with the tie breaking formula because it is unique but followed by all IBAF sanctioned tournaments. They are as follows. in order.

1. Head-to-head competition. In this case Japan, Canada, and Australia all had identical records with 1 win and 1 loss.

2. Runs allowed divided by defensive innings played. Japan had allowed 12 runs in 14 defensive innings (0.857), Canada allowed 12 runs in 13 defensive innings (0.923) and Australia allowed 15 runs in 13 defensive innings (1.15).

3. Earned runs divided by defensive innings played. This tie-beaker was not required.

Hopefully they will decide next time to have a playoff format which, I think, be a lot less arbitrary

[NotAboutEgo]

I've been following you're threads throughout the tournament and it has provided me with valuable information, Thanks! Perhaps I can help a little with the tie breaking formula because it is unique but followed by all IBAF sanctioned tournaments. They are as follows. in order.

1. Head-to-head competition. In this case Japan, Canada, and Australia all had identical records with 1 win and 1 loss.

2. Runs allowed divided by defensive innings played. Japan had allowed 12 runs in 14 defensive innings (0.857), Canada allowed 12 runs in 13 defensive innings (0.923) and Australia allowed 15 runs in 13 defensive innings (1.15).

3. Earned runs divided by defensive innings played. This tie-beaker was not required.

Hopefully they will decide next time to have a playoff format which, I think, be a lot less arbitrary

Thanks for your info, Canadian Guy. It all makes sense now. Perhaps they should have a playoff format like most competitions. Do you know why there isn't a typical playoff format in IBAF competitions?

[Baseball_Canada_21]

I agree that whatever formula they used to break the tie, is weird. But congratulations anyway to Canada for winning a baseball medal since we haven't won one in a while. I do think Canada deserves third place though because they beat the gold and silver medal teams.

The Canadian Women did win the bronze medal in the last Women's World Cup in Edmonton because I have a medal to prove it.

[Canadian Guy]

Thanks for your info, Canadian Guy. It all makes sense now. Perhaps they should have a playoff format like most competitions. Do you know why there isn't a typical playoff format in IBAF competitions?

Some of the IBAF tournaments do have regular playoffs. I believe that the 2004 Women's World Cup that took place in Edmonton had one? Is that not correct Canada_21 ? As for the tie-breaking rule I believe it was designed so that a superior team doesn't run up the score ( like what Japan did to Hong Kong). This is especially important when a sport is in its infancy internationally. A nation that is just taking up a new sport doesn't need to be humiliated like that. I rather like what the Esso Nationals (Women's Hockey in Canada) does. Place the teams in two pools, one weak, one strong pool. The winner of the weak pool moves to the playoff round while the last place team of the weaker pool plays them to advance. If the last place team of the stronger pool loses to the weaker pool champions, then the following year the weaker pool champions become part of the stronger pool and the losers of the stronger pool become part of the weaker pool. This format really cuts down on the number of blowouts. Of course a playoff format is required.

[Baseball_Canada_21]

Some of the IBAF tournaments do have regular playoffs. I believe that the 2004 Women's World Cup that took place in Edmonton had one? Is that not correct Canada_21 ? As for the tie-breaking rule I believe it was designed so that a superior team doesn't run up the score ( like what Japan did to Hong Kong). This is especially important when a sport is in its infancy internationally. A nation that is just taking up a new sport doesn't need to be humiliated like that. I rather like what the Esso Nationals (Women's Hockey in Canada) does. Place the teams in two pools, one weak, one strong pool. The winner of the weak pool moves to the playoff round while the last place team of the weaker pool plays them to advance. If the last place team of the stronger pool loses to the weaker pool champions, then the following year the weaker pool champions become part of the stronger pool and the losers of the stronger pool become part of the weaker pool. This format really cuts down on the number of blowouts. Of course a playoff format is required.

Yeah I was surprise that they didn't have playoffs this year because we did have them in Edmonton at the First World Cup. The only reason I can think of that they didn't have a playoff is because there was only 6 teams scheduled to play in the beginning. In Edmonton there was suppose to be at least eight teams playing and then it shrunk down because of custom issues.

[csheldon25]

Are the fields used for these games smaller than those in MLB?
Fields are the same as MLB. I've played in quite a few minor league parks

[Baseball_Canada_21]

Jackie Mitchell became the first female professional baseball player when she signed a contract with the minor league Chattanooga Lookouts in 1931. Mitchell pitched in an exhibition game against the New York Yankees and struck out two of their star players, Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. Organized baseball then formally banned women from signing professional contracts with men's teams in 1952, and the prohibition is still in effect.

Wrong section but anyway... neat info

[Mrs.Chucky]

Hi everyone, just read this article thought I'd share it with you all.....:ughh

AUSSIES UNLUCKY – FINISH 4th at WOMEN’S WORLD CUP.






CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR…



In a tournament where there was no clear stand out team; Australia has walked away with its head held high and a respectable 4-2 record.



With wins against Canada, Chinese Taipei, Cuba and Hong Kong - and losses only to eventual Gold and Silver medallists the US and Japan - Australia can consider themselves unlucky not to have come away with a medal.



While the US captured Gold with a 5-1 record (only loss to Canada on Day 1); Japan, Australia and Canada finished equal on 4-2. As head to head games between these 3 teams failed to determine the placings (Japan def Aust, Aust def Canada & Canada def Japan), a ‘for and against method’ in games between these 3 teams was used.



After the dust had settled, Japan was awarded the silver and, although Australia defeated them comfortably in the round robin games 9-4, Canada was given the bronze and Australia relegated to 4th.



Coach Kane Longstaff, although knowing that his teams 2 losses were winnable games, was proud of what his team achieved.



“To come away with a record of 4-2 and a win against one of the medallists and not to have a medal yourself is a bit flattening, but 4-2 is a respectable record in anyone’s language and one of which the girls should be proud,” he said.



“Those that were there in Edmonton two years ago (for the 1st World Cup) can see the improvements we have made as a team and the way in which we conducted ourselves this tournament both on and off the field was second to none.”



On a high note for the Australians, they received 3 selections in the 2006 World Cup ‘All Star’ team. Pitcher Simone Wearne was selected as the starter after her almost perfect display against Chinese Taipei in Game 2 for Australia where she picked up the win in a 5.1 inning, 3 hit demolition of the home town favourites.



Centrefielder Amy McCann received her second selection in an All World Team backing up her selection at the 2004 World Series. Her team leading .500 batting average, (2nd best in the tournament), combined with her errorless performances in the field certainly warranted her selection.



Middle infielder Shae Lillywhite was also selected at 2B. Shae, who also spent 2 games at SS, was solid in the lead off spot for Australia with a .381 avg and made some highlight reel plays in the field at key moments to keep Australia in touch.



Samantha Hamilton received the tournament ‘Stolen Base’ award with her total of 6 across the 6 round robin games. Generally regarded as the best base runner in Australian women’s baseball, Sam showed her skills all week and frustrated opposition pitchers and catchers with her constant perfect reads and advances on the base paths.

[DownUnderDodger]

Here is another article I found regarding the Aussie team/results:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/australian-trio-in-all-world-team/2006/08/10/1154803032394.html

I must say congratulations to the Aussie girls - well done!! :dance Of course congrats to the winners and other medalists as well!