When do the Jays trade or lose McGowan somehow?

[flying27]

When do you think the Jays will finally come to their senses and trade or find some way to release the useless Dustin McGowan?

[Reed Johnson]

Never. Apparantly they are calling him up to be the 5th starter so it doesn't seem he is useless at all.

[flying27]

Never. Apparantly they are calling him up to be the 5th starter so it doesn't seem he is useless at all.

They arent calling him up, I dont know where you heard that bogus information, but it is not true.

[Reed Johnson]

They arent calling him up, I dont know where you heard that bogus information, but it is not true.

Well it was in an article on bluejays.com and it was said during the broadcast of a game. Who else will be the 5th starter?

[flying27]

It is a phony rumour. McGowan has not and wont be called up this week, anybody saying it is spreading a dirty lie, you will see when he isnt called up this week, it was a bogus and dirty rumour with no merit to it.

[Chris from NY]

Your poll would indicate that everyone is in agreement that McGowan sucks and that the Jays will get rid of him. However, this is not neccessarily the case. Please edit your poll to include an option for which McGowan won't be leaving the Jays. This will ensure the most accurate results.

[flying27]

Sorry I forgot to include the option he would not be traded. The Jays would be nuts to not release the dead weight, but that is their choice.

[Big_Mac]

where is all this mcgowan sucks stuff coming from. got tired of adams?

my answer: mcgowan will be converted to a reliever and be in the bullpen next season. remember, he just had tommy john surgery a bit back.

[KCGHOST]

Why worry about a minor league pitcher who is coming off Tommy John surgery?? If he is worthless as a minor leaguer what do you expect to get for him?? A bag of balls??

[Tinyballer]

This guy is an As fan hoping to get him for the As and us downing out own prosepct.

[Big_Mac]

Why worry about a minor league pitcher who is coming off Tommy John surgery?? If he is worthless as a minor leaguer what do you expect to get for him?? A bag of balls??

you hit the nail on the head

[flying27]

Why worry about a minor league pitcher who is coming off Tommy John surgery?? If he is worthless as a minor leaguer what do you expect to get for him?? A bag of balls??


The team had a chance to give him up in the deal for Overbay last year, and instead gave up Zack Jackson one of their most promising prospects. So they gave up a future all star for a career minor leaguer. You are right that it is probably too late now to get anything for him, you would probably be offered a six pack of beer in exchange for McGowan now. However they could have saved a potential future all-star pitcher, and gotten rid of a career minor leaguer instead, and they stupidly kept the career minor leaguer. Why is a teams AAA team so important, I dont understand it, I thought a teams AAA team was a place to develop prospects and get them ready for the majors, but by keeping McGowan over Jackson they showed that is clearly not the case.

[Big_Mac]

The team had a chance to give him up in the deal for Overbay last year, and instead gave up Zack Jackson one of their most promising prospects. So they gave up a future all star for a career minor leaguer. You are right that it is probably too late now to get anything for him, you would probably be offered a six pack of beer in exchange for McGowan now. However they could have saved a potential future all-star pitcher, and gotten rid of a career minor leaguer instead, and they stupidly kept the career minor leaguer. Why is a teams AAA team so important, I dont understand it, I thought a teams AAA team was a place to develop prospects and get them ready for the majors, but by keeping McGowan over Jackson they showed that is clearly not the case.

my guess is that the brewers wanted jackson badly. he was most likely the centerpiece of the trade.

[Chris from NY]

you would probably be offered a six pack of beer in exchange for McGowan now.
Are we talking American beer or Canadian beer? A nice sixer of Canadian beer sounds nice right now. I was just in Montana for a couple of days, weak beer. Weak, weak beer.

[flying27]

Are we talking American beer or Canadian beer? A nice sixer of Canadian beer sounds nice right now. I was just in Montana for a couple of days, weak beer. Weak, weak beer.

Good old Canadian beer of course. ;)

[flying27]

my guess is that the brewers wanted jackson badly. he was most likely the centerpiece of the trade.

Actually it was reported they wanted McGowan most but the Jays would not budge, Jackson was not their first choice but they eventualy accepted him. I guess the Jays felt an AAA stalwart for many years to come is a good thing, so much that they did not advantage of the naive GM who did actually believe he was a talented future major league pitcher; whoops about the AAA stalwart part, McGowan is gone off waivers and they lose him for nothing if(when)he does not start the year with the Jays next season, he is out of options isnt he, oh well should have kept Jackson, too late to go back now.

[Chris from NY]

Good old Canadian beer of course. ;)
Well anything's possible. If "When Chris gets his beer" is added to the poll, I will totally vote for it.

[flying27]

I did not realize this but McGowan is out of options next year. That means he will either be lost on waivers or traded before next April. So McGowan is out of the Jays organization for good within 8 months. WOOOOHOOO!!!!
:dance :dance

[Big_Mac]

I did not realize this but McGowan is out of options next year. That means he will either be lost on waivers or traded before next April. So McGowan is out of the Jays organization for good within 8 months. WOOOOHOOO!!!!
:dance :dance

never did ask you, what do you have against mcgowan anyways? did he ruin your life somehow because they way your hating on him is like he did.

[flying27]

never did ask you, what do you have against mcgowan anyways? did he ruin your life somehow because they way your hating on him is like he did.

Athletes that are extremely overhyped annoy me, it is annoying to hear about them potrayed as so much more then they really are, like a career minor leaguer who is about to be gone on waivers called a "special pitcher", the "#1 prospect", etc........ What also annoys me is when I spotted and foreshadowed how inflated their abilities were claimed to be, and then as years go on and I am proven right people are reluctant to give credit. I would give credit to somebody else if it was the other way around.

What also annoys me is the team could have given him up straight up for Overbay, and instead had to give up multiple good players including both Bush and Jackson, two pitchers who could have helped up this year, and instead lose them and are going to lose McGowan on waivers(likely)for nothing next year, when they could have given him up earlier this year and kept two pitchers who actually could have helped the team this year, atleast Bush could have.

[Chris from NY]

If you end up being right about McGowan, I will wear it in my sig that you were right, and I was wrong.

[flying27]

Well McGowan is out of options after this year, that is one thing I am pretty certain on. You dont honestly think he will "start" next year with the team do you? If your answer is no he will have to either be traded before then, or be put on waivers and lost for nothing. That is how the rules are.

[Reed Johnson]

He'll be in the bullpen starting next year so the joke is on you.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Oh come on McGowan has potential, he's not that bad, he can be better than that crap Brian Tallet.
Just needs to polish and get some starts to know how to survive.

[flying27]

He'll be in the bullpen starting next year so the joke is on you.

You just keep thinking that. :rolleyes:

[Chris from NY]

Now now boys and girls, fight nice. :laugh

Oh come on McGowan has potential, he's not that bad, he can be better than that crap Brian Tallet.
I agreed with you until you called Tallet crap. Then again maybe I'l just patial towards him because he has rockin' burns. Seriously though, I don't mind Tallet. He can go in and pitch a couple of steady innings when asked upon, and he only really struggles when he is pitching ou of the stretch. That what it appears like to me anyway.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I don't think that Dustin McGowan is a bad pitcher. And, I don't think that they'll just let him go next year. He'll start with the big club, and then we'll see. It may be his final year so show if he has it or not. If he begins in a Josh Towers way next season, he might get outrighted to the minors, in which case he might not get claimed (if he is having such a terrible season that it requires outrighting him). Anyway, why would any team claim him off waivers if he is as bad as you say?

Also, you said something about Dave Bush. He is doing marginally well (8-9, 4.69 ERA) in a weak NL central where he faces batters from the Cubs, the Pirates, the Astros and the Cards. Imagine how that 4.69 ERA would look when he faced the Yanks and Sox? If Bush were still in Toronto, he would not have numbers nearly as good as they are with the Brew Crew. Its a case of AL superiority.

PS: I didn't vote on your biased, one-sided poll.

[flying27]

When I started this thread I did not know McGowan was out of options next year. Now this is no longer a question, he has to either be traded before the start of next season or lost on waivers for nothing. So the obvious answer is within a year . When I started the poll i did not know the Jays had no choice but to rid themselves of him somehow before the start of the next year though. If I did not know I would not have started the poll. I am very glad the Jays have no choice but to rid themselves of him before next April however. :dance :dance

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

He will be in the pen next season! The Jays aren't simply going to give up on this guy. They'll keep him in the pen for as long as possible. If he starts to suck, they'll outright him to the minors. I doubt that any team is going to claim a struggling young pitcher. And, if your opinion is correct, what team would claim him since he is "so bad".

[flying27]

He will be in the pen next season! The Jays aren't simply going to give up on this guy. They'll keep him in the pen for as long as possible. If he starts to suck, they'll outright him to the minors. I doubt that any team is going to claim a struggling young pitcher. And, if your opinion is correct, what team would claim him since he is "so bad".

There is no room for him to be in the pen next year. It is not practical to think there would be room for him on the team to start next year.

As for why anybody would take somebody that bad on waivers, there are teams alot worse then the Jays that would take worse pitching then the Jays would. David Bush was not good enough to be a starter in TO to start this year, yet with the Brewers he is one of their top pitchers. Anyway Quiroz was even taken on waivers and he totally sucked by then. Even bad players are taken on waivers, so McGowan would definitely be taken on waivers, if Quiroz was almost anybody would. Plus the fact JP was getting trade offers on him at the trade deadline proves he would be taken on waivers even if he was bad since he was totally bad this year around trade deadline too.

[Chris from NY]

The MAriners needed to take a chance that they would catch lightning in a bottler. They needed another body behind the playe for their system.

[flying27]

The MAriners needed to take a chance that they would catch lightning in a bottler. They needed another body behind the playe for their system.

I agree, but that just goes to show the biggest busts of prospects will almost definitely still be taken by somebody. Quiroz proves that, and as bad as McGowan is now looking, he is still far more wanted then Quiroz. So there is no question of how being picked up on waivers if he is put on them.

[flying27]

He'll be in the bullpen starting next year so the joke is on you.

BTW McGowan was sent down to relieve in AAA when Chacin returned, instead of Davis Romero, since Davis Romero was "too good" to send down instead of McGowan. So now you can add Davis Romero to the names of people above McGowan in the pecking order as a reliever. So now to be a reliever with the Jays next year and avoid waivers McGowan is behind all of Ryan, League, Accardo, Frasor, Romero, Tallet, Downs, Rosario, atleast one free agent signing, that makes 9. That is even if Walker retires, Speier is gone, Scotty is gone, even with all 3 of those things happening he has need THREE guys to be injured now to make the team and avoid waivers. :D

[dst]

yes u went by the rules...that there's no more options on mcgowan...and the fact that all the pitchers that u listed had better lines than mcgowan this year...but so what? the kid's not even 25...what's halladay doing when he was in the early 20's? he screwed up some games and got sent down to AA...and now ur judging mcgowan by a few games and just his 2nd season? what happened to the value of potential? sure potential doesn't equal current/future return, but it's something that u try not to giveup...that's why a lot of the major league relievers (including some of the names that u listed below) never had the chance to receive the development like a SP/closer...they don't have the potential in their stuff...

stats is a big part of the game, but not everything...i don't like players being overhyped either, but in this case mcgowan's not that overhyped compared to other players like zach duke, or compare to batters, alex rios a few years back...cuz mcgowan's popularity lies within the city of toronto where's he's one of the top talent in the farm...he's relatively unknown comapred to other young pitchers like felix hernandez...

just look at how many ppl gave up on rios last year with all the no power and mediocre average comment...look at how many AB he got with the underachieving label written all over him...now u wanna give up mcgowan after less than 10 career starts?


BTW McGowan was sent down to relieve in AAA when Chacin returned, instead of Davis Romero, since Davis Romero was "too good" to send down instead of McGowan. So now you can add Davis Romero to the names of people above McGowan in the pecking order as a reliever. So now to be a reliever with the Jays next year and avoid waivers McGowan is behind all of Ryan, League, Accardo, Frasor, Romero, Tallet, Downs, Rosario, atleast one free agent signing, that makes 9. That is even if Walker retires, Speier is gone, Scotty is gone, even with all 3 of those things happening he has need THREE guys to be injured now to make the team and avoid waivers. :D

[flying27]

Who cares if he is only going on 25. He has been surpassed by a whole pile of pitchers his own age or younger then him in the organization in just this year alone. Janssen, Taubenheim, Marcum, League, Accardo(although came over in trade), and even 23 year old Davis Romero who started the year in AA, have all passed him by this year. He is worthless to the organization so he is extremely easy to give up. They dont need him one iota with so many good prospects already, and a flock of kids his age or younger passing him this year.

[Tinyballer]

The point is not that he is less than 25 the point is many pitchers go through struggles like this early in the careers and many have managed to breakthrough and have great careeers. JP Riccardi himself has publically stated that he wants to keep him and keep him a lot longer beyond this season. He stated that after rejecting TB offer of Lugo for Mcgowan. Obviously he sees enough in him not to trade him for a player that could have really helped us if we were gearing for a playoff run and that time we were. Mcgowan is just learning to use his stuff just like the DOC did and i believe he will breakout of his struggles could i be wrong and he turns to crap absolutely but would you rather take a chance and put a guy with a 97MPH fastball with a better breaking ball in the pen or would you have a guy like tallet who throws 88-90 with worse breaking stuff. Mcgowan will begin next year as Long Man or Middle Relief guy unless he looked great in Spring and they decide to start him.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I agree with keeping McGowan. But Lugo for McGowan? Who wouldn't have done that? I would've in a second!

[Tinyballer]

Riccardi wouldn't do because he thinks mcgowan will become a key part of this program.

[flying27]

The pen wont need McGowan. They already have Ryan, Downs, Davis Romero, League, Accardo, Frasor. He does not give them any benefit with quality pitchers like that already there. He obviously is not good enough to be a starter. There is no purpose he serves the team.

[flying27]

I agree with keeping McGowan. But Lugo for McGowan? Who wouldn't have done that? I would've in a second!

JP shoots himself in the foot all the time with dumd decisions, or non-decisions. Sometimes he is not even thinking when he makes them.