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OverThereSomeWhere
07-01-2006, 03:15 PM
The only female player to ever start games on male college teams and minor league teams (though it was independent Northern League- the one Henderson played for). She was a mop up reliever/spot starter.

"Perhaps the most unique story in independent baseball history is that of Ila Borders. In 1997, Borders became the first woman to ever pitch in men’s professional ball and the first to play at all since “Tomboy” Toni Scott played first base in the Negro Leagues. Borders, a left-hander from Southern California, featured a fastball clocked in the low 80’s alongside a big curve and screwball.

Borders played three years in the independent Northern League, first with the St. Paul Saints, then the Duluth-Superior Dukes and Madison Black Wolf. Her three-year totals included a 2-4 record and an ERA of 6.73. Her best year was 1999, when she posted a 3.63 ERA.

In 2000, Borders moved on to the Western League, where she played for the Zion Pioneerz. After the season, she announced her retirement from baseball, but not before securing her place in baseball history." (http://www.goldenbaseball.com//ArDisplay.aspx?ID=36&SecID=123)

http://www.goldenbaseball.com/ConPics/Con36/Ila.jpg

Does any one have these rare statistics?

OverThereSomeWhere
07-01-2006, 03:18 PM
I would just LOVE to see if there was enough to do a fielding independent rough major league equivlency.

OverThereSomeWhere
07-01-2006, 03:19 PM
Note: don't waste your time on the Baseball Cube, they ain't got nuthin'

Brian McKenna
07-01-2006, 05:10 PM
corrections:

it's toni stone and she was a second baseman

others did pitch:

mamie (peanut) johnson pitched in the negro leagues in 1954

In Class-D ball in 1936 Sunny Dunlap pitched the entire game for the Fayetteville Bears. It may be the last appearance of a woman in organized baseball.

Alta Weiss signed with an Ohio independent professional club and became the star attraction, even pitching an exhibition game at League Park in Cleveland.

OverThereSomeWhere
07-01-2006, 06:25 PM
1. The hypertext'd text I did not write (click it and you are led to the Golden League Baseball's site, from which I copied it)
2. I wouldn't want to sound unappreciative but the Negro League appearences seem more comparable to the appearence of the three foot seven player (a publicity stunt) than this modern case: the Negro Leagues were in massive decline by this stage and could not be considered better by a huge degree (if at all) than the northern league and this was all more than a hands-counting of decades ago, in the end doing little to diminish my intrest in this particular case, even if it is not the first of its kind.

Brian McKenna
07-02-2006, 12:01 AM
1) it is always best to make factual corrections when errors/misconceptions exist or are presented

2) the negro leagues do not have to be downgraded to boost ila borders' career

i doubt if toni stone, who replaced hank aaron on indianapolis' roster, saw her career as a publicity stunt - nor did weiss or lizzie murphy who was in the game for three decades

OverThereSomeWhere
07-02-2006, 02:35 PM
Indianapolis? Didn't they go by the name of.......... THE CLOWNS????

Oh, whoops, sorry...

nevermind...

Brian McKenna
07-03-2006, 11:09 AM
sorry to hear of your continued derision of the sport and the men and women who played it