Top Ten Greatest Pitchers

[wu-tang clan]

What do you guys think are the top ten best pitchers of all time? Here's my list:

10. Roger Clemens
9. Warren Spahn
8. Tom Seaver
7. Nolan Ryan
6. Sandy Koufax
5. Bob Gibson
4. Satchel Paige
3. Christy Mathewson
2. Cy Young
1. Walter Johnson

[Francoeurstein]

What do you guys think are the top ten best pitchers of all time? Here's my list:

10. Roger Clemens
9. Warren Spahn
8. Tom Seaver
7. Nolan Ryan
6. Sandy Koufax
5. Bob Gibson
4. Satchel Paige
3. Christy Mathewson
2. Cy Young
1. Walter Johnson


Roger Clemens is way too high. Along with Ryan, Koufax, and Gibson. And where is Maddux???

[Blackout]

roger clemens should be in the top 5

and nolan ryan shouldn't there

no Pete Alexander or Lefty Grove?

[Myankee4life]

1. Lefty Grove
2. Walter Johnson
3. Roger Clemens
4. Grover Alexander
5. Greg Maddux
6. Cy Young
7. Tom Seaver
8. Satchel Paige
9. Christy Mathewson
10. Randy Johnson

Many question Grove at number 1....I had made a post in his favor...cant find it at the moment...but I'll keep looking.

[sandyman1953]

1. Sandy Koufax
2. Bob Gibson
3. Randy Johnson
4. Pedro Martinez
5. Steve Carlton
6. Nolan Ryan
7. Roger Clemens
8. Greg Maddux
9. Tom Seaver
10. Juan Marichal

[Bill Burgess]

My Top 10 Pitchers:

1. Walter Johnson 1
2. Christy Mathewson 7
3. Pete Alexander 3
4. Cy Young 4
5. Roger Clemens 11
6. Lefty Grove 2
7. Warren Spahn 5
8. Satchel Paige, NL
9. Smokey Joe Williams, NL
10. Bob Feller 12

My 11-20:

11. Tom Seaver 6
12. Greg Maddux 14
13. Juan Marichal 21
14. Pedro Martinez 29
15. Mordecai Brown 20
16. Bob Gibson 8
17. Addie Joss 80
18. Randy Johnson 49
19. Nolan Ryan 24
20. Amos Rusie 28

[HondoHR33]

Below Gibson, where he belongs. Hey, don't get me wrong. Maddux was a great pitcher but if I'm a manager, I'll take Gibson on my staff in his prime over Maddux in his prime.


Roger Clemens is way too high. Along with Ryan, Koufax, and Gibson. And where is Maddux???

[flash143817]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Lefty Grove
3. Cy Young
4. Pedro Martinez
5. Sandy Koufax
6. Roger Clemens
7. Tom Seaver
8. Randy Johnson
9. Greg Maddux
10. Bob Gibson

[baseball junkie]

1. Jim Deshaies
2. Mike Witt
3. Rick Sutcliffe
4. Lee Guetterman. just by an smidge over
5. Greg Cadaret, who just beat out
6. Andy Hawkins
7. Pascual Perez
8. Melido Perez
9. Yorkis Perez
10. Walter Johnson (just for variety)

Seriously I thought we were going to stop rating everything.

[flash143817]

1. Jim Deshaies
2. Mike Witt
3. Rick Sutcliffe
4. Lee Guetterman. just by an smidge over
5. Greg Cadaret, who just beat out
6. Andy Hawkins
7. Pascual Perez
8. Melido Perez
9. Yorkis Perez
10. Walter Johnson (just for variety)

Seriously I thought we were going to stop rating everything.

I would rate Carlos Perez ahead of Pascual, Melido, and Yorkis.

[ElHalo]

roger clemens should be in the top 5

Well, I disagree.

1. W. Johnson
2. Mathewson
3. Grove
4. Martinez
5. Young
6. Alexander
7. Clemens
8. R. Johnson
9. Spahn
10. M. Brown

[538280]

1.Greg Maddux
2.Roger Clemens
3.Walter Johnson
4.Satchel Paige
5.Pete Alexander
6.Tom Seaver
7.Cy Young
8.Lefty Grove
9.Bob Gibson
10.Steve Carlton
11.Warren Spahn
12.Pedro Martinez
13.Smokey Joe Williams
14.Christy Mathewson
15.Robin Roberts
16.Randy Johnson
17.Kid Nichols
18.Bob Feller
19.Juan Marichal
20.Gaylord Perry
21.Fergie Jenkins
22.Carl Hubbell
23.Dazzy Vance
24.Jim Palmer
25.Amos Rusie

[STLCards2]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Cy Young
3. Roger Clemens
4. Pete Alexander
5. Lefty Grove (willing to move back to top 3 if convinced the whole usage-pattern thing is overblown)
6. Greg Maddux
7. Christie Mathewson
8. Tom Seaver
9. Satchel Paige
10.Warren Spahn

[leecemark]

1) Roger Clemens
2) Walter Johnson
3) Cy Young
4) Left Grove
5) Greg Maddux
6) Pete Alexander
7) Tom Seaver
8) Satchel Paige
9) Warren Spahn
10) Christy Matewson
HM (top 20): Randy Johnson, Bob Feller, Steve Carlton, Kid Nichols, Bob Gibson, Pedro Martinez, Sandy Koufax, Smokey Joe Williams, Robin Roberts, Carl Hubbell.and just missing..Juan Marichal, Jim Palmer and (personal favorite) Hal Newhouser.
Worthy of mention; Whitey Ford, Dazzy Vance, Gaylord Perry, Nolan Ryan, Miner Brown and Ed Walsh plus best pre 60'6"er John Clarkson and Japanese legend Masa Kaneda. Hmm...that is 31 so I might as well make it a top 40; Phil Neikro, Fergie Jenkins, Stan Coveleski, Eddie Plank, Rube Waddell, Bert Blyleven, Tim Keefe, Ray Brown and Dizzy Dean (just to add some color to the list).

[baseballPAP]

1 Walter Johnson
2 ROGER CLEMENS
3 Lefty Grove
4 GREG MADDUX
5 Cy Young
6 Pete Alexander
7 PEDRO MARTINEZ
8 Christy Mathewson
9 Tom Seaver
10 Warren Spahn
11 Satchel Paige
12 RANDY JOHNSON
13 Kid Nichols
14 Steve Carlton
15 Bob Gibson
16 Mordecai Brown
17 Rube Waddell
18 Nolan Ryan
19 Smoky Joe Williams
20 Bob Feller
21 Rube Foster
22 Sandy Koufax
23 Masaichi Kaneda
24 Carl Hubbell
25 Hal Newhouser
26 Dazzy Vance
27 Juan Marichal
28 Fergie Jenkins
29 Whitey Ford
30 Eddie Plank
31 Ed Walsh
32 Lefty Gomez
33 Phil Niekro
34 Gaylord Perry
35 Willie Foster
36 Dennis Eckersley
37 MARIANO RIVERA
38 Hilton Smith
39 Hoyt Wilhelm
40 Jim Palmer
41 John Clarkson
42 Tim Keefe
43 Victor Starffin
44 Rollie Fingers
45 Amos Rusie
46 Bert Blyleven
47 Harry Brecheen
48 CURT SCHILLING
49 Kazuhisa Inao
50 Stan Coveleski

[RuthMayBond]

Roger Clemens is way too high. I'd love to hear a good argument for Clemens lower than 4th

[RuthMayBond]

1. Sandy Koufax
2. Bob Gibson
3. Randy Johnson
4. Pedro Martinez
5. Steve Carlton
6. Nolan Ryan
7. Roger Clemens
8. Greg Maddux
9. Tom Seaver
10. Juan MarichalThe Koufax myth continues.
Ryan and Carlton above Clemens, Maddux AND Seaver.
Where to begin?

[sturg1dj]

how about the last 50 years

1. Pedro Martinez
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Roger Clemens
4. Greg Maddux
5. Randy Johnson
6. Juan Marichal
7. Steve Carlton
8. Tom Seaver
9. Bob Gibson
10. Nolan Ryan

I may get blasted for all the young guys especially Pedro up to, but just look at their numbers.....amazing

[Baseball Guru]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Christy Mathewson
3. Pete Alexander
4. Roger Clemens
5. Lefty Grove
6. Cy Young
7. Pedro Martinez
8. Tom Seaver
9. Greg Maddux
10. Satchel Paige

[digglahhh]

I rarely post lists, but I felt froggy tonight.

1. Clemens
2. W. Johnson
3. Maddux
4. Young
5. Alexander
6. Grove
7. Seaver
8. Mathewson
9. Gibson
10. Martinez
11. Paige
12. Nichols
13. R. Johnson
14. Carlton
15. Spahn

WTC, you shoud see if you could rotate that avatar so it is a W, for the Clan. Or maybe you could use the upsidedown Wu logo, like Meth uses and change it to Twins colors...

[flash143817]

Shocking to me that some of you don't think Koufax was top 20 or 25. How many pitchers can lay claim to 3 unanimous Cy Young Awards?

[Imapotato]

Cy Young
Walter Johnson

Do the others even matter? Nah

[digglahhh]

Shocking to me that some of you don't think Koufax was top 20 or 25. How many pitchers can lay claim to 3 unanimous Cy Young Awards?

I thought, instinctively, that if I compiled a list Koufax would wind up in the 20-25 range. Now that I did 15, I think I'd actually have him in the 15-20 range. I think I'd be hard pressed to put 5 more guys ahead of Kooufax.

[RuthMayBond]

I thought, instinctively, that if I compiled a list Koufax would wind up in the 20-25 range. Now that I did 15, I think I'd actually have him in the 15-20 range. I think I'd be hard pressed to put 5 more guys ahead of Kooufax.Unless you're talking only peak, I could help ya ;)

[Baseball Fanatic]

1. Pedro Martinez
2. Lefty Grove
3. Walter Johnson
4. Roger Clemens
5. Cy Young
6. Greg Maddux
7. Christy Mathewson
8. Warren Spahn
9. Randy Johnson
10. Tom Seaver

[magicfan39126]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Pete Alexander
3. Christy Mathewson
4. Cy Young
5. Lefty Grove
6. Kid Nichols
7. Greg Maddux
8. Warren Spahn
9. Tom Seaver
10. Bob Feller, Smokey Joe Williams

[-Kyle-]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Lefty Grove
3. Satchel Paige
4. Roger Clemens
5. Peter Alexander
6. Tom Seaver
7. Cy Young
8. Warren Spahn
9. Christy Mathewson
10.Kid Nichols
11.Bob Gibson
12.Gregg Maddux
13.Bob Feller
14.Smokey Joe Williams
15.Bullet Joe Rogan
16.Carl Hubbel
17.Sandy Koufax
18.Robin Roberts
19.Pedro Martinez
20.Gaylord Perry

[ElHalo]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Christy Mathewson
3. Lefty Grove
4. Pedro Martinez
5. Cy Young
6. Pete Alexander
7. Roger Clemens
8. Randy Johnson
9. Satchel Paige
10. Warren Spahn
11. Rube Waddell
12. Mordecai Brown

[Honus Wagner]

1. Cy Young
2. Lefty Grove
3. Walter Johnson
4. Christy Mathewson
5. Roger Clemens
6. Warren Spahn
7. Bob Gibson
8. Grover Cleveland Alexander
9. Satchel Paige
10. Bob Feller
11. Kid Nichols
12. Hoss Radbourn
HM: George Herman "Babe" Ruth

[STLCards2]

1. Cy Young
2. Lefty Grove
3. Christy Mathewson
4. Roger Clemens
5. Warren Spahn
6. Bob Gibson
7. Grover Cleveland Alexander
8. Kid Nichols
9. Hoss Radbourn
10. Bob Feller
HM: George Herman "Babe" Ruth

I am looking forward to hearing a case for Charles Radbourn over Walter Johnson.

[Honus Wagner]

I am looking forward to hearing a case for Charles Radbourn over Walter Johnson.

cuz i'm an idiot:crazy

thanks for pointing that out

[RuthMayBond]

1. Walter Johnson
2. Lefty Grove
3. Satchel Paige
4. Roger Clemens
5. Peter Alexander
6. Tom Seaver
7. Cy Young
8. Warren Spahn
9. Christy Mathewson
10.Kid Nichols
11.Bob Gibson
12.Gregg Maddux
13.Bob Feller
14.Smokey Joe Williams
15.Bullet Joe Rogan
16.Carl Hubbel
17.Sandy Koufax
18.Robin Roberts
19.Pedro Martinez
20.Gaylord PerrySeaver six spots over Maddux?