A bit of a reality check

[WR's succesor]

ok, here's a reality check for you braves fans.
Lemme just five you a taste of what's going on since you dont know it.
1) ATLANTA WILL NOT WIN THE DIVISION, your reign is over! Believe it! The Mets are the better team.
2) I don't care what they say, minus Leo Mazzonne or even if he was here, your rotation STINKS. Tim Hudson is playing like Dewon Brazelton, John Smoltz seems to have lost his touch, nothing now, Horacio Ramirez is solid, but highly inconsistent. and the rest of your rotation is in shambles... thomson is very inconsistent, hampton is done until august.
3) You must know this one, your bullpen has blown nearly if not all the games you've lost. you have no closer now in chris reitsma, you have no reliable relievers, remlinger is GONE, and the rest just keep blowing leads.
you need to give anthony lerew a shot.
4)where's the offense? marcus giles is showing he can't handle leading off and i still don't understand why cox hasn't demoted him yet, he's batting, what? like .250, maybe less now. andruw? andruw? where's his bat? I've never seen homers this season as meaningless to his team's as andruw's.
chipper always seems to be injured or striking out so we cant use that as an excuse. renteria is one of your only bright lights, he seems to have improved here in atlanta, but still, his defense is questionable and i wonder if his bat can hold on anymore. jeff francoeur is clearly in a sophomore slump, it took him like 27 games to draw a SINGLE walk and he's still not impressive, he'll improve, just wait. langerhans is just plain HORRIBLE, he can't hit, can't field very well and has been mentioned in trade rumors for pitching (since you need it so much).
brian mccann, mcann is having a GREAT season, i'll give you that, but if the others don't wake up, he'll be overshadowed by their slumps.
5)I think that the factor of your team chemistry is the reason you're slumping bad, just no chemistry, smoltz himself said that it's not any fun being around the braves clubhouse this time of year.
6) The answer to your problems, REBUILD. That word might scare you since you've been used to winning for the last 15 years while other teams can barely win a division, the braves of the 90's were a great team, with a healthy chipper and smoltz, you dominated, so many pitchers won cy youngs back then, russ ortiz won 20 games, you had the BEST PITCHING in baseball and you went out and got tim hudson and proven Mike Hampton, looks like these deals have backfired on you. REBUILD! trade away chipper, andruw and all your studs and try and make a new team PREPARE for the FUTURE!

good luck to you fans, it must be hard, i did not create this thread just to insult you...no...i created it to show you what the braves are, and what they need to do.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Hey WR's Succesor, I say this with all due respect. Go take a long walk off a short pier.:lookitup

[WR's succesor]

Hey WR's Succesor, I say this with all due respect. Go take a long walk off a short pier.:lookitup
awww, i said it was just my opinion. i respect the braves and their fans.

[grizzly451]

awww, i said it was just my opinion. i respect the braves and their fans.


You must not read much of the posting that goes on here in the Braves forum though. Otherwise you'd have noticed that we definitely don't have our heads in the clouds about the Braves' season so far, and whats left.

Especially the bullpen.../stinks We have all been furstrated by the pen this season. Considering they've blown what, 10 or 11 games already?

ABF probably has some choice words about them. ;)


Even with all the Braves' holes, replace just the bullpen with some decent guys and the team would be right in the thick of things. With a bullpen ERA second to worst in the NL and how many blown saves?
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[Go Bravos!!!#1]

I'm sorry, it was late. I had a bit of an reality check when we gave up a walk-off homer to A-Rod, so i was not a happy camper. But seriously right now, every braves fan has had a reality check.

[jpenrod]

OK, I was not even going to respond to this post mainly because I hate trolls, but since other have I will address it myself.

First, if you are going to troll on another team’s board please for the love of all things holy, make sure your post makes sense. I can only assume that you meant to "give" us a taste of what is going on (as if we are not all aware). I can assume this for two reasons; first, to "five" us a taste makes no sense at all and secondly you had 6 points not five. Also please refrain from switching pronouns and adverbs. You refer to the Braves fans throughout the post as if you are an outsider looking in and then you slip phrases like “even if he was here” (another grammatical error, but I will let it go), or “so we can’t use that as an excuse” (I will address this specifically later). The bottom line is I have no clue what point of view you are coming from; are you a Braves fan that is bitter, or are you a fan of a different team gloating over the Braves struggles?

I have dealt with some of the main overall issues of your post which make it difficult to follow I will now deal with some of your specific points.

1) Why you felt the need to Bold Face and capitalize “Atlanta will not win the division” is beyond me. I am not sure I have seen any Braves fan’s claiming they will win the division (for at least a month now). You make this statement as if it is suppose to be some sort of epiphany to us, but it is a tired point. As of right now the Mets are in an excellent position to win the division and go deep into the playoffs, but the season is not half over yet. I do not make the last statement to imply the Braves will come back and overtake the Mets, but a lot can happen in the second half of the season and the Mets could lose out to one of the other teams in the division as well. I do not see this happening but it is a possibility.
2) You do not care what who says? I do not think anyone as touting this rotation as one of the best in the Big Leagues, but I will say the talent is there it has just not come together yet. It is difficult sometimes to get any consistency when you have had 9 guys fill 5 spots. I am not making excuses just stating reality. Tim Hudson has been a bit of a disappointment since his arrival in Atlanta and has proven inconsistent at best, but to compare him to Dewon Brazelton is laughable. I am not certain what you mean by “John Smoltz seems to have lost his touch, nothing now…” are you saying that Smoltz is washed up (“nothing now”)? Smoltz has 11 quality starts out of 17 and is in the top 20 in ERA, IP, K, WHIP, and BAA in the NL. That is hardly the position of a pitcher that is “nothing now”. Where are Smoltz Wins? Well after yesterday Smoltz now has 7 no decisions and the bullpen has blown 5 of those games for him. Ramirez is inconsistent? He has made 7 starts this year and 5 of them have been QS. On of those that was not a QS was the first game of the year just before he went on the DL and the other was in Houston where he never does well. That seems like an awfully small sample size to say he is “highly inconsistent”. No comment on Thomson. Hampton will not be back in August, he is out for the entire season, and it has been that way since last year.
3) Since the Starting Rotation is credited with 33 of the 46 Loses I am not going to say the bullpen has “blown nearly if not all” of our loses. That being said, yes our bullpen is a very weak point for the team I will not argue. We have no closer? Is that why our bullpen has 17 BS and we 5 guys who have earned a save so far this year? Thanks for clearing that up! We need to give Lerew a chance? You mean the same Lerew that is starting down in the minors and has a 9.38 ERA in 12 games in AAA and a 4.50 ERA in 2 games in AA? Yeah, I am sure that he will cure all that ails the bullpen. Why don’t you write a letter to Schuerholz, I am sure he will give it proper consideration.
4) The offense has not been as big of a problem as you may think. I am not saying we have a great offense, but it is not the main concern in Atlanta. Marcus has struggled in the leadoff roll, but I am curious whom you would put in that position. Andruw Jones is 15th in the NL with 12 Win Shares, not bad playing for the team with the 3rd worst record in the NL. When your team is 13 games below .500 there is a strong possibility you will hit “meaningless” homeruns (see Soriano, Lee, and Bay). Chipper has been on the DL once this year and has struck out 53 times which is pretty consistent with his career, enough said on that subject. Renteria’s Defense, may not be Gold Glove defense any longer, but it is hardly atrocious and definitely not end of career defense. Jeff Francouer took 40 Games and 127 AB to draw his first walk last year, and that was an intentional walk. He is not going to draw a lot of walks, accept it and move on. I am not sure what plays you are watching Langerhans make in the outfield, but he is one of the best defensive Left Fielders in the game and can even hold his own in center, please no what you are talking about before you post.
5) I will not argue the team chemistry is not there to win a championship, but I will call you out on a wonderful misquote of John Smotlz. I do not think any player would say it is fun being in the clubhouse when the team is 13 games below .500 (if they thought it was fun I would question their commitment to winning), but that is not an attack on the team chemistry.
6) All I will say is that this point is ridiculous. We are in the process of rebuilding that is why we have so many young players on the roster. To say we get rid of all of our studs is silly? Replace them with what? Andruw is just hitting his prime and we are going to just get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him? Smoltz and chipper offer a lot to the club off the field in experience and leadership. Tim Hudson deal backfire? Yeah because Juan Cruz, Dan Meyer and Charles Thomas have done so much. Proven Mike Hampton? That is why everyone was tripping over themselves to get him.

I am calling B.S. on you not making this post to insult. Based on the statements and backup you have for it there is no other reason for this post. I would say 95% of the time you feel it is necessary to make statements like "i did not create this thread just to insult you" you probably did creat the thread with that intention.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

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1) ATLANTA WILL NOT WIN THE DIVISION, your reign is over! Believe it! The Mets are the better team. (That is insulting with the capitolization and exclamation points)
2) I don't care what they say, minus Leo Mazzonne or even if he was here, your rotation STINKS. Tim Hudson is playing like Dewon Brazelton, John Smoltz seems to have lost his touch, nothing now, Horacio Ramirez is solid, but highly inconsistent. and the rest of your rotation is in shambles... thomson is very inconsistent, hampton is done until august. ( You are forgetting about Kyle Davies and Chuck James, two of the most promising young pitchers in the game)
3) You must know this one, your bullpen has blown nearly if not all the games you've lost. you have no closer now in chris reitsma, you have no reliable relievers, remlinger is GONE, and the rest just keep blowing leads.
you need to give anthony lerew a shot. (Yes the bullpen sucks. Don't know why it's a big deal "REMLINGER IS GONE" he was as inconsistant as the rest. Oh and I think you need to check Lerew's stats in AA ...then ask yourself if you want him to be your closer.)
4)where's the offense? marcus giles is showing he can't handle leading off and i still don't understand why cox hasn't demoted him yet, he's batting, what? like .250, maybe less now. andruw? andruw? where's his bat? I've never seen homers this season as meaningless to his team's as andruw's.
chipper always seems to be injured or striking out so we cant use that as an excuse. renteria is one of your only bright lights, he seems to have improved here in atlanta, but still, his defense is questionable and i wonder if his bat can hold on anymore. jeff francoeur is clearly in a sophomore slump, it took him like 27 games to draw a SINGLE walk and he's still not impressive, he'll improve, just wait. langerhans is just plain HORRIBLE, he can't hit, can't field very well and has been mentioned in trade rumors for pitching since you need it so much.
brian mccann, mcann is having a GREAT season, i'll give you that, but if the others don't wake up, he'll be overshadowed by their slumps. (Langerhans can't field!?!?!? Um that's one of the main reason's he's still in the majors. And no mention of Matt Diaz? How about Andruw Jones being in the top 3 in the leauge in RBI...and Francoeur not far behind. And you left out LaRoche as an anemic part of our offense. But whether we like him or not he's still gonna hit 25 homers and drive in 80.
5)I think that the factor of your team chemistry is the reason you're slumping bad, just no chemistry, smoltz himself said that it's not any fun being around the braves clubhouse this time of year. ( OF COURSE IT'S NOT FUN!!! WE'RE UNDER .500! He didn't mean that as is he doesn't enjoy the company of his fellow teammates, he's just saying it's depressing when you can't win.)
6) The answer to your problems, REBUILD. That word might scare you since you've been used to winning for the last 15 years while other teams can barely win a division, the braves of the 90's were a great team, with a healthy chipper and smoltz, you dominated, so many pitchers won cy youngs back then, russ ortiz won 20 games, you had the BEST PITCHING in baseball and you went out and got tim hudson and proven Mike Hampton, looks like these deals have backfired on you. REBUILD! trade away chipper, andruw and all your studs and try and make a new team PREPARE for the FUTURE! ( okay when you say Smoltz as basically our big pitcher...he wasn't. How about 2 soon to be 300 game winners Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine. Besides 96 Smoltz was very ok as a starter, but not in Maddux or Glavine territory. And um Russ Ortiz was in '03. And winning 21 games is alot easier when you basically get 5 runs of support every game. Oh and not only did we have Chipper on offense, um we had borderline HOFer Fred MCGriff, powerful Dave Justice and Ron Gant, and the big Ryan Klesko, Andres Galaragga, and Javy Lopez. Heck even Gary Sheffield! and Reggie Sanders one year. So it wasn't just Chipper. And Andruw is not even 30 years old. To trade him is absurd. You pull out your money and sign him long term. He's one of the greatest ever in the field (still is and still will be in 5 years) and he's comming into his own on the offensive side of things. To trade Chipper is also whakko. He's gonna be playing for about 4 more years or longer depending on his skills level. He takes paycuts for the better of his team, and he is still a feared hitter in the lineup. He's a career Braves and he wants to remain a career brave, and for all he's sone for the team he deserves to be a career brave. And that's what he will be. And as for rebuilding... Our main problem is our bullpen. So you think we should trade Andruw Jones for some young Soloman Torres relievers and an above average LF? Or Chipper for the same? come on! We should rebuild because of a bullpen and weak LF and 1B....get real! We could fix that in one off season. Heck we could fix half of that at the trading deadline! So to rebuild would be absurd.)

good luck to you fans, it must be hard, i did not create this thread just to insult you...no...i created it to show you what the braves are, and what they need to do.(Well you did insult my intelligence! Here are all the facts you got wrong, I suggest you study a team before you start acting like the darn GM!!! And I believe you may be a fan of another team in the NL East and you are glad the Braves are playing so badly...in that case..get a life man! We braves fans do not have a large ego, and we are not quick to gloat. Maybe that demeanor is one of the reason's we;ve done so bad in the postseason :D But basically what I'm saying is...try not to make a bigger @$$ out of yourself in the future. Thx.[/QUOTE]

[WR's succesor]

I apologize to you Braves forumers, those were some very rotten comments of mine, I respect your team and organisation, I said it before, maybe I should just keep my big mouth shut :ughh...

[KCGHOST]

I apologize to you Braves forumers, those were some very rotten comments of mine, I respect your team and organisation, I said it before, maybe I should just keep my big mouth shut :ughh...

You could learn to count to 5, also.:)

[WR's succesor]

You could learn to count to 5, also.:)
huh???:confused:

[Red Sox Rule]

you said you had 5 points but made 6

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

PS. The thread title itself implies arrogance and is insulting.

Atlanta Braves Freak or any other mod, could this thread be closed, all I feel is that bad vibes are going to be comming from this thread, no matter how many replies there are. It's already gotten off on the wrong foot.

[RBi]

Closed by me...

WR's succesor (you know that is misspelled right?)
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