1963 Offseason Thread

[leecemark]

--Okay, the offseason activity for 1963 has officially commenced. Trades may be posted starting now. Remember, one owner posts the trade and I make the adjustment in the program when the second owner confirms.
--The deadline for non-tendering players without having them count against your 1963 cap figure will be Thursday, July 6 at midnight EST. Anyone not non-tendered by that time will count against your salary cap (including the 250K raise if applicable).
--The rookie draft will commence at 9 PM EST on Thursday, July 13. The first 3 rounds will be conducted that evening so please either be there or get a draft list to somebody who will be. I don't have a pick until round 3, so I'll be happy to draft for anybody who needs a proxy. The draft will continue through however many rounds we get to by midnight EST on Wednesday, July 19.
--Two owners had PFA's already signed to multi-year FA deals. These players (Willie Davis of Hard Cider and Al Smith of the Diablos) are considered to be demanding trades. Mac and ElHalo have until the end of the draft (midnight EST on July 19) to try and make a deal. At that time, if no deal has been made, they will be exposed to waivers for 24 hours (up to the start of the PFA auction). The team with the worst 1962 record to make a claim will assume their contract. If no team is interested in doing that, they will remain with their original team.
--The Premium Free Agent auction (PFA) will commence at 9 PM EST on Thursday, July 20. We will be auctioning off the 7 PFA's one at a time, from least to most expensive. Again if you can't be there, please get a bid list to someone who can help out. The secondary free agent auction will commence immediately after the close of the PFA and run through 11 EST on Monday, July 24. Anybody not at 40 players at this point must release excess players or sign left overs to get there. The deadline for being at 40 players will be midnight EST, July 25. If you are below 40 at that point you will be assigned at 250K penalty for each vacant roster space. If you are over, I will release however many minimum wage players needed to get you there.
--Our new owners in training will have the next 10 days to pick through any players left over to get their rosters filled up. No established team may sign players during this 10 day window. The owners in training may add 1 player per day during this period, with the exception of the last day when they may sign however many they need to get up to 40. WARNING: owners in training who don't participate in the roster filling activity will have their team revert back to the league.
--The deadline for submitting manager profiles, lineups, etc will be noon EST on Sunday, July 30 (Yes, I know this is only mid-way through the doormat roster filling - only their first couple signing are likely to make the 25 man active roster and I'll run their existing profile if they aren't ready). Games will begin Monday, July 31.
--Welcome back and good luck.

[leecemark]

--Here are the ratings for your 1963 rosters. For those new to the league, rating rank how good a players is going to be at various phases of the game from Excellent to Very Good to Average to Fair to Poor. In the defensive rating, a player will get a range rating and outfielders and catchers will also get a throwing rating. The numerical ratings are a comparison to league average. On defense a 100 error ranking would mean that player would have an average number of errors for his position. Higher would be more and lower less. The exception would be passed balls for catchers where the number is a projection for PB per 100 games.
--For base stealing there are two rankings. Jump indicates how often the program will allow a player to attempt to steal ( a PR jumper will seldom attemtp no matter how aggressive you set your team up). The second rating is for success rate. This allows a guy who stole 3 bases in 3 tries to not get thrown out (much), but doesn't allow him to morph into Maury Wills.
--Please feel free to ask as many questions as you wish on translating this data.

[mac195]

Hard Cider trade their 4th round pick in the upcoming '63 draft to the Redbirds for catcher Jimmie Schaffer.

[leecemark]

--Attached is the list of all eligible players not currently on a roster. Remeber only those who made their first MLB appearance are eligible for the rookie draft. All players with previous experience will join the non-tendered players in the secondary free agent market. If you see a player who should be on a roster and not eligible, please let me know so I can make the correction.

[leecemark]

--The Knights have a number of players available for the right price.
--Billy Stafford has an arm injury that will render him useless for 1963, but he bounces back for a nice 1964 season. Barney Schultz fell into a fit of depression over his collapse in the 1962 Diamond Classic Series and will be mediocore (but okay as a long/mopup man) in 1963. He will recovered to have an outstanding 1964 campaign and a solid 65. Draft picks wanted.
--Johnny Romano celebrated his big 1962 season a little too hard and is headed for a disappointing and injury plagued season in 1963. He bounces back with 3 120+ OPS+ years, but phenom Tim McCarver makes him expendable in the right deal.
--Max Alvis had a big season in the minors last year and looks ready to make a nice contribution in 63 (118 OPS+ and solid D at third). However, he is blocked by Eddie Mathews with the Knights. We are hoping to deal him for a replacement for free agent Rfer Roger Maris. Or Eddie Mathews could be had for a blockbuster offer.

[J W]

With the PFA release of Milt Pappas the Skipjacks are now $5 mil under the cap, which facilitates this deal:

Skipjacks to Cannons
- Ron Perranoski ($6.5)
- Fred Whitfield ($.5)
- 1st round pick, 1964

Cannons to Skipjacks
- Whitey Ford ($10.5)

Cannons, please confirm.

[mac195]

Going for the wins record in '64, JW? Horlen, Chance and Ford might all win 25+.

[leecemark]

Hard Cider trade their 4th round pick in the upcoming '63 draft to the Redbirds for catcher Jimmie Schaffer.


--Thats really starting the offseason out with a blockbuster;) .

[leecemark]

--This years "premium" free agent crop consists of 7 players;
Andre Rodgers of the Gamblers
Woody Held of the Legends
Earl Battey of the Avengers
Clete Boyer of the Cannons
Bill White of the Redbirds
Milt Pappas of the Skipjacks
Roger Maris of the Knights
--Some helpfull guys in that crew, but it seems unlikely any will pocket the huge money of last year's group.

[538280]

Cannons confirm the trade with the Skipjacks.

[mac195]

Well, I needed a part time right handed catcher for '63, and Schaffer might be the only decent one availible cheap. Battey will cost a lot, and I'm sure you'll want substantial value for Romano... more than I need to be givng up for a new catcher. Having Schaffer should let me keep Pavletich in the minors another season, so I won't have to increase his salary.

[leecemark]

--Decent is a pretty generous adjective for Schaeffer, but I guess you could do worse for a backup. A 4th rounder probably wasn't going to get you much anyway.
--JW, Ford is a pretty nice addition for making a run in 63, much less 64. Salary dump Chris?

[leecemark]

--The Knights announce the non-tender of 6 players; Lou Johnson, Chet Nichols, Jerry Zimmerman, Don Rudolph, Frank Thomas and Frank Torre. 1962 Rookie of the Year Don Rudolph was the surprise of the group. Rudolph pitched the second half of the season with an elbow problem that required frequent cortizone shots. Team doctors strongly recommended offseason surgery, but Rudolph refused - fearing it would end a career that took a dozen years to get going. Today's moves, coupled with Roger Maris official removal from the roster, brings the Knights payroll to 80.75M for 37 players.

[leecemark]

--Lots of traded picks, so please let me know if I missed anything here
First Round
1) Hard Cider from Gamblers
2) Legends
3) Diablos
4) Shoeless Joes
5) Cannons
6) Legends from Redbirds
7) Skipjacks
8) Gamblers from Knights via Skipjacks
9) Legends from hard Cider
Second round
1/10) Gamblers
2/11) Legends
3/12) Diablos
4/13) Hard Cider from Avengers
5/14) Hard Cider from Cannons
6/15) Shoeless Joes from Redbirds
7/16) Skipjacks
8/17) Legends from Knights
9/18) Hard Cider
Third round
1/19) Gamblers
2/20) Legends
3/21) Diablos
4/22) Shoeless Joes
5/23) Cannons
6/24) Redbirds
7/25) Gambler from Skipjacks via Hard Cider
8/26) Knights
9/27) Hard Cider
Fourth round
1/28) Gamblers
2/29) Legends
3/30) Diablos
4/31) Shoeless Joes
5/32) Cannons
6/33) Redbirds
7/34) Skipjacks
8/35) Knights
9/36) Redbirds from Hard Cider
--If we go past the 4th everyone still has their own picks.

[mac195]

Hard Cider non-tenders are marked on the roster thread.

[leecemark]

--Please post non-tender lists here. Once the list has been posted, they can be deleted from your roster page.

[mac195]

For the Hard Cider, Jim Davenport, Nelson Mathews, Earl Robinson, John Miller and Jim Constable are free agents, their contracts having expired. Hal Brown was a dead contract and should also be on the FA list. Stan Musial, Tony Kubek, Jackie Brandt, Sherm Lollar, Lou Clinton, Tom Morgan, Bob Duliba, Doug Camilli, and Walt Bond are non-tendered. With the addition of Jimmie Schaffer, and including FFA Willie Davis, who is availible if anyone wants him, that brings the roster to 31 players, and the payroll to $83.75M.

[leecemark]

--Thanks, Mac. Once the non-tender period is closed I'll post a new FA attachment for review of the expanded secondary free agents.

[baseballPAP]

Hard Cider trade their 4th round pick in the upcoming '63 draft to the Redbirds for catcher Jimmie Schaffer.
Redbirds confirm.

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds non tenders-Daryl Spencer, Bill Tuttle, Earl Francis, Diomedes Olivo, Billy Hoeft, Gene Conley.
Redbirds retired-Richie Ashburn, Steve Bilko

75.75 million for 30 players total.

[J W]

Going for the wins record in '64, JW? Horlen, Chance and Ford might all win 25+.

Yes; I feel comfortable declaring now my intentions are to field a candidate for "best team ever" in 1964. And with two bullets dodged out of three so far, I think my team can afford to lose one piece this offseason (Ford, Torre, Robinson, Allison).

But Mark's right, too... Ford is supposed to improve my weak rotation this season. Woodeshick can take over for Perranoski. Meanwhile, the Cannons have a great nucleus but need the $$ to surround it. Their rotation should be the strongest in the league, at the top anyway.

[538280]

Second round
3/12) Diablos


I obtained EH's 2nd round pick through an earlier trade when he got Luis Aparicio.

About the trade...yeah, I was dumping some salary, but I also get a true ace reliever in '63 to go along with already having Miller, a first round pick next year, and I fill a hole I had at 1B. Ford was a good pitcher, but since I drafted him I've been semi-convinced by SABR Matt that he's probably one of the most overrated pitchers of all time, maybe his performance for me thus far (dissapointing) is a result of that. Good luck with him, though, JW.

[538280]

Cannons non tendered-Bob Skinner, Willie Kirkland, Mike Joyce, Cecil Butler
Cannons retired-Elio Chacon, Ed Yost, Tex Clevenger

84.5 million for 34 players.

[leecemark]

--Is that after your 63 raises Chris? If so you've done a good job paring salary. I thought your cap situation was much worse than that.

[catcher24]

Glad to see the thread up and active already. JW would like to set a league record for wins, but the Legends feel that with Ron Santo, Willie McCovey,Vada Pinson and Juan Marichal all looking to be improved over 1962, we can torpedo the Skipjacks!;) Might depend on the rookie draft and whatever FA we can add, though.

And welcome again to DoubleXX, HankAaron86 and MapleSyrupMan. Best of luck this year - especially against the Skipjacks :D (but NEVER when playing the Legends).

[catcher24]

Legends players being non-tendered: Bob Schmidt, C; Hank Foiles, C; Bernie Allen, 2B; Rod Kanehl, 2B; Joe Koppe, SS; Wally Post, OF; Manny Jiminez, OF; Gino Cimoli, OF; Ted Savage, OF; Dave STenhouse, P; Bo Belinsky, P; Bob Hendley, P; Jim Hannan, P; Ron Nischwitz, P.

Legends Retirements:Jim Marshall, 3B; Bob Botz, P; Joe Bonikowski, P.

With Woodie Held also leaving via FFA, the Legends payroll currently stands at $77.5 Million.

I have updated my roster thread.

[538280]

--Is that after your 63 raises Chris? If so you've done a good job paring salary. I thought your cap situation was much worse than that.

Yes it is after the raises. The salary situation was a problem, but, yeah, it has gotten much better.

[DoubleX]

Hi everyone,

I know this is really crappy of me, but I'm going to have to step down before I even really got started. I wish it didn't have to be so, but I'm realizing that I have a lot to learn about my team and about how the league works, and the time just isn't there like I thought it would be. So for the good of the league, I've decided it's best that I step aside and let someone who will be able to better participate take over Nails' Quakers.

I am deeply sorry for the late notice of this. I really wanted it to work out, but as deadlines approach, I'm losing confidence that it will work out. Thanks to everyone for extending a warm welcome and a helping hand - it's made this decision even more difficult for me.

Take care,

Mike

[leecemark]

--Guys, we need to get an owner for this team really quick. We can extend the non-tender deadline for the Quaker/Avengers up to drfat day, but still only gives somebody 2 weeks from today to get ready for the season. Thats a tall order for somebody unfamiliar with our league. If we can get someone at least familiar with Diamondmind (particularly someone who has the program so I can transfer the league file to them) that would be very helpfull. If you have any candidates contact them TODAY.

[catcher24]

Posted by Chris:
Yes it is after the raises. The salary situation was a problem, but, yeah, it has gotten much better.

Creative Accounting 101. I think they used to call that "cooking the books".:D

Just kidding, Chris.;) You've done a great job reducing payroll and keeping an extremely competetive team on the field.:clapping

[jkc32]

Mark,

I'd be happy to take over the vacant team. I sent you an email earlier today and had actually asked to be put on your waiting list back in January. I'm in 3 "all-time" leagues (one ran by Scott of the RedBirds).

I wouldn't have any problem meeting any of the deadlines.

Thanks for consideration,

Joe Clark

[baseballPAP]

Great owner Mark....Joe gets my full endorsement.

[baseballPAP]

I don't normally do this.....
BUT......
Happy Birthday to Dude.......

Today our little Dude becomes a man.... :clapping

[J W]

OK then--welcome aboard Joe! :laugh

And, Happy B-day Dude... if I was in your neighborhood I'd give you a handle of Finlandia. Oh--waitaminute--that would be a cigar, sorry. :D

DoubleX, is it possible you can take over the Senators then? You can take the season to learn about managing the team and then get your expansion franchise later.

[J W]

OK, The Skipjacks are non-tendering: P Bud Daley; P Jim Golden; OF Al Luplow; P Johnny Podres; and 1B Pete Runnels.

No Skipjacks players retired this year.

After the PFA and trade, the Skipjacks stand at 34 players, $94.75 mil.

The rosters page has been updated.

[leecemark]

--Welcome Joe. The Quakers/Avengers/whatever you want to call them are your team now. Did you get the 1963 league file? You'll need to update the team page in the roster thread with the appropriate raises for 63 and let me know which players you want to drop. The deadline for everyone else is July 6, but you can have an extra week to get up to spped if you need it. Just need to have that done before the rookie draft on the 13th.
--If you have questions you can ask here or PM me or e-mail me, whichever is most convenient for you. You will need to check in here though since this is where all the activity takes place and there will be no e-mail notification like in PAP2. I will e-mail the league file after every other series once games begin.

[leecemark]

[QUOTE=J W]After the PFA and trade, the Skipjacks stand at 34 players, $94.75 mil.

--With 5.25M for 6 players, I guess you won't be very active in the FA market. Maybe somebody who can't be there will let you spend their money;) .

[jkc32]

Thanks. I'll go with the Shoeless Joe's. I haven't received the league file yet but will begin scrubbing my roster once it arrives.

[jkc32]

Just so I don't make a rookie mistake right off the bat, the listed salaries on the league file are the 1962 salaries, right? If I keep a player his salary will be bumped up $250K...is that correct?

[ElHalo]

Just so I don't make a rookie mistake right off the bat, the listed salaries on the league file are the 1962 salaries, right? If I keep a player his salary will be bumped up $250K...is that correct?

Players who were active in the 1962 season get a $0.25M bump. I'm not sure if that team file has been update to reflect 1963 raises yet; I know I did mine a couple of weeks ago. Welcome aboard! This is easily one of the most involved historical fantasy leagues in existance, and we really appreciate having dedicated owners.

[leecemark]

Just so I don't make a rookie mistake right off the bat, the listed salaries on the league file are the 1962 salaries, right? If I keep a player his salary will be bumped up $250K...is that correct?


--The salaries in the Roster Thread for your team have not been updated for 1963 raises. Every player who appeared in a game for the Quakers in 1962 is due a 250K raise, except for franchise player Bob Gibson (locked in at 12M as long as you keep him) and Frank Howard (signed to a 4 year 16.5M FA deal beginning in 1962). I'll send you the 1963 file and 1962 also if you want it.

[jkc32]

Ok, I understand. I just received the 63 file and will start reviewing my roster.

Thanks for the clarification.

[ElHalo]

Diablos' non tenders: Lenny Green, Whitey Herzog, Ray Sadecki, Jerry Lynch, Sam Jones, Al Smith, Tony Cloninger, Paul Foytack, Ted Bowsfield, Bob Turley, Chuck Essegian, Del Crandall

Forced free agent: Al Smith

Total: 27 players, $64 mill.

[leecemark]

--Jim, Al Smith is on a multi-year deal and not eligible for free agency. The process when a player in this status is your PFA is he is considered to have demanded a trade. You have until the day before the PFA auction to trade him. If you haven't found a trade by then he goes on waivers for 24 hours, where anyone can claim him and assume his contract (worst 1962 record gets him if multiple claimants). If no one claims him you keep him. Most likely that means he is still a Diablo in 1963:D .Y
--You probably have a better chance to move him than the other player in that staus - The Hard Cider owe Willie Davis 10.5 for 2 more years. Kind of pricey for a good glove, weak bat outfielder. Somebody with lots of extra cash (like you!) could mess up Mac's master plan by claiming him though. Chances are he could be dumped in the expansion draft next season.

[catcher24]

Joe - Welcome to the Classic Keeper League. I think you'll find that this league has a really great bunch of owners, and a camaraderie that is the best of any league I have been involved with (sorry, Scott; PAP2 doesn't seem to have the back-and-forth of the Keeper League, but it's a lot of fun in it's own right). The league has a website, with links to the rules, league history (encyclopedia) and individual teams. You may not use it as much as the other owners who don't have the game to use to check stats, usage, etc. The website is HERE (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/).

Good luck (except when you play the Legends). Your team is in my division, the Hulbert. BTW, I have the Wieniedogs in the PAP2 league.

[leecemark]

Diablos' non tenders: Lenny Green, Whitey Herzog, Ray Sadecki, Jerry Lynch, Sam Jones, Al Smith, Tony Cloninger, Paul Foytack, Ted Bowsfield, Bob Turley, Chuck Essegian, Del Crandall

Forced free agent: Al Smith

Total: 27 players, $64 mill.


--I still show 30 players on your roster, What are the descrepacies between what I have and your count (besides Smith)?

[DoubleX]

DoubleX, is it possible you can take over the Senators then? You can take the season to learn about managing the team and then get your expansion franchise later.

I appreciate the offer. I don't want to commit and leave you guys hanging again though.

[ElHalo]

--I still show 30 players on your roster, What are the descrepacies between what I have and your count (besides Smith)?

Oddly, I counted Smith twice as a deduction, so that accounts for two of the three differences. The other is Fred Newman; I don't have any record of having had him, and I looked through the 1962 draft and FA lists to see if I just skipped over him, but I couldn't find any record of him ever having been on my team.

[leecemark]

--Not sure how you got him either. He does have a couple nice seasons ahead though. Keep him or drop him? Barring evidence to the contary I assume he'd be a minimum wage man.

[mac195]

Somebody with lots of extra cash (like you!) could mess up Mac's master plan by claiming him though

Ahem.........

[ElHalo]

--Not sure how you got him either. He does have a couple nice seasons ahead though. Keep him or drop him? Barring evidence to the contary I assume he'd be a minimum wage man.

I mean, yeah, I'll keep him if he's mine.

[leecemark]

--It seems your scouting system is better than you know:clapping .

[catcher24]

YES!! MESS UP THE MASTER PLAN!!!:D :clapping

[baseballPAP]

Joe - Welcome to the Classic Keeper League. I think you'll find that this league has a really great bunch of owners, and a camaraderie that is the best of any league I have been involved with (sorry, Scott; PAP2 doesn't seem to have the back-and-forth of the Keeper League, but it's a lot of fun in it's own right). The league has a website, with links to the rules, league history (encyclopedia) and individual teams. You may not use it as much as the other owners who don't have the game to use to check stats, usage, etc. The website is HERE (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/).

Good luck (except when you play the Legends). Your team is in my division, the Hulbert. BTW, I have the Wieniedogs in the PAP2 league.
I agree re: the PAP2 league. I'm just not sure as to what to do about it. Most of the owners there are "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" owners...they leave their MPs alone all season, and check in at the website. Any suggestions? Most of those guys have been with me for 2 years, some as long as 5!

[catcher24]

Scott - Not really. They are two different types of leagues, and completely different situations. The Keeper League has the distinct advantage of having a sub-category (under Fantasy Baseball and Gaming) at BBF, so it is a lot easier to throw up a post whenever one wants, or send someone a PM. That is what helps the managers get to know each other and permits the easy back and forth, give and take of the site. With PAP2, you have to check into Yahoo, check your mail, and the way the messages come through over there makes it more difficult to read and stay current than it is here. I really think you've done a fine job with PAP2 and know you put hours of effort into it (hell, I know how much time I spend just working on the website for this league). I enjoy that too, but the ability to stay in touch and throw barbs at each other is just more difficult working through Yahoo. But both leagues work and are enjoyable!:clapping

[J W]

Mark: you have Gary Geiger listed as a FA and not on my team. We're not quite ready to give up on a 110 OPS+ with VG/EX defense in all three OFs. :)

Other than that, the FA files check out, at least for us.

[leecemark]

--Added Geiger to your roster.

[leecemark]

--As a reminder, the non-tender deadline is July 6 (midnight EST). All the returning owners except the Gamblers have submitted their cut down list. The new Shoeless Joe's have an extra week to review the team and submit their list. Anybody who wants to make additonal non-tenders can still add to their list until the deadline.

[leecemark]

--Smokey Braithwaite announced a deal for Leon Wagner today. The Knights send minor league 3B Max Alvis to the Joe's for the slugging outfielder, who is expected to replace FA RF Roger Maris in the Knights lineup. "We think Alvis is going to be a solid 3B and may be ready to start this season, but he wasn't going to get a shot with us due to Eddie Mathews. Daddy Wags has been a consistent power hitter for several years and should be able to replace Maris' production for us".

[jkc32]

Shoeless confirms the Alvis for Wagner deal.

[jkc32]

In an attempt to trim salary, Shoeless mgmt has decided to offer up Orlando Cepeda. He has several decent seasons left, including a .929ops in 1963 (MLB league average in 1963 is .693)...he should crush the ball this season. If you need a 1B or OFer, he'd be a good fit.

His stats can be found here: http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml

I'm looking for cheaper talent at OF, 2B, P, and would consider picks and/or a combo deal.

Send offers to clark444@comsouth.net

[leecemark]

--The acquistion of Wagner puts the Knights at 89.0M for 37 players. I'd still like to move Johnny Romano for some payroll flexibility and the price may be lower than you think. If you need a catcher whose good though 1966, make me an offer.

[jkc32]

The Shoeless Joe's make the following roster moves:

Retirement - Earl Lown
Release - Gordy Coleman, Chico Fernandez, Julio Gotay, Ken Hubbs, and Marv Throneberry
Forced Free Agent - Earl Battey (C) - 6.50

With today's trade and the 250k raises, Shoeless keeps 33 players at the collective cost of 81.50.

[jkc32]

The Shoeless Joe's deal Orlando Cepeda to the Redbirds for Dave McNally and the Redbirds 2nd round pick in the upcoming draft.

[ElHalo]

I guess add Fred Newman and Al Smith, and I'm good to go.

By the way, Smith is available in trade. Or you can just have him. Second round draft pick? You want him, you got him.

[mac195]

The Shoeless Joe's deal Orlando Cepeda to the Redbirds for Dave McNally and the Redbirds 2nd round pick in the upcoming draft.
Yikes. That's going to make the Redbirds pretty tough in the upcoming season. Excellent pick up there, Scott. It might eventually make the Shoeless Joes better as well, but not until '65.

[catcher24]

Yup, but I don't think it's enough to make any kind of run on Mark. He'll still be the class of the Johnson Division for a couple of years - Scott and Wil have some ground to make up. But Scott might compete for the WC this year. And Joe isn't wasting any time, either, upgrading the Shoeless ones.:laugh Should be good races in the Hulbert and Cartwright Divisions this year - Chris will be a definite threat to dethrone the champs.

BTW, I have Ed Charles, John Boozer and DAve DeBusschere available. If anyone is interested, PM me.

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds confirm...but Joe is too quick for me, and I didn't get Cepeda's salary. Is it 10.5 mil?
~S

[The Dude]

Sorry it's taken me so long. Moved last week and I've switched to 35 hours a week know at work starting this week.

RHP Tom Sturdivant .75
RHP Chuck Estrada .75m
MIF Red Schoendienst .75m
IF Steve Boros .50m

By my number,s that's 85.75M for 30 players

[leecemark]

--Thanks everyone for getting their non-tenders in before the deadline. Some interesting trade activity too. Cepeda is one heck of a player for the next two years (BTW 10.5M is correct on his salary) and should make the Redbirds a little tougher on me this year. The Joes are making some nice moves to free up salary and add some young talent too. I think the Hulbert division is going to be brutal in the mid-late 60s.

[leecemark]

Sorry it's taken me so long. Moved last week and I've switched to 35 hours a week know at work starting this week.

RHP Tom Sturdivant .75
RHP Chuck Estrada .75m
MIF Red Schoendienst .75m
IF Steve Boros .50m

By my number,s that's 85.75M for 30 players


--I show you still at 33 players. Please take a look at your attached roster file and let me know who shouldn't be there.

[leecemark]

--The Knights trade All Star catcher Johnny Romano to the Hard Cider for minor league C/1B Don Pavletcih. Smokey says "Johnny has been a big part of our success the past 2 seasons, but Tim McCarver is ready to step up and play regularly. Pavletich gives us a younger, cheaper platoon option. We hope to turn those savings into another quality player in the free agent market."

[leecemark]

--The acquistion of Wagner puts the Knights at 89.0M for 37 players. I'd still like to move Johnny Romano for some payroll flexibility and the price may be lower than you think. If you need a catcher whose good though 1966, make me an offer.

--Now at 82.75 for 37 players after swapping Romano (6.5M) for the minimum wage Pavletich.

[baseballPAP]

Red birds updated at 86.5 M for 30 players....does this jive with your records Mark?

edited, I forgot to take McNally out :)

[leecemark]

--I've got only 30 showing for the Redbirds. I'll send the post cuts league file to everyone who has the program and post the current rosters for everyone.

[mac195]

HC confirm Pavletich for Romano.

[leecemark]

--Next scheduled activity will be the rookie draft. It will be a live draft , commencing at 9PM EST on Thursday, July 13. The live portion will last 3 rounds, with it continuing at a more leisurely pace (12 hr windows) for the following week. If you can't make it, please make sure you get a draft list to somebody who will be (I will be here and don't have a pick until the 2nd to last of the 3rd round). If you aren't here to pick or have a proxy who is, your turn will be skipped.

First Round
1) Hard Cider from Gamblers
2) Legends
3) Diablos
4) Shoeless Joes
5) Cannons
6) Legends from Redbirds
7) Skipjacks
8) Gamblers from Knights via Skipjacks
9) Legends from hard Cider
Second round
1/10) Gamblers
2/11) Legends
3/12) Cannons from Diablos
4/13) Hard Cider from Avengers
5/14) Hard Cider from Cannons
6/15) Shoeless Joes from Redbirds
7/16) Skipjacks
8/17) Legends from Knights
9/18) Hard Cider
Third round
1/19) Gamblers
2/20) Legends
3/21) Diablos
4/22) Shoeless Joes
5/23) Cannons
6/24) Redbirds
7/25) Gambler from Skipjacks via Hard Cider
8/26) Knights
9/27) Hard Cider
Fourth round
1/28) Gamblers
2/29) Legends
3/30) Diablos
4/31) Shoeless Joes
5/32) Cannons
6/33) Redbirds
7/34) Skipjacks
8/35) Knights
9/36) Redbirds from Hard Cider
--If we go past the 4th everyone still has their own picks.[/QUOTE]

[catcher24]

Looks like my listings are all OK, Mark, and I'm ready to go!!:gt I've looked at the top 20 or so every which way to see who fits best at this point and I have the list. But I think Chris is going to be pretty upset with my first pick!!:rolleyes:

[538280]

Second Round
3/12) Diablos


I said this earlier, I have EH's 2nd round pick. I got it in a trade for Luis Aparicio.

Also, I'm going on vacation this Tuesday, so I won't be available on Thursday. I will send a draft list to someone.

Lew-I have two favorites coming up. Neither one fits my needs particularly, so you're probably not stealing anything crucial. :)

[538280]

Correction-I should be able to be here Thursday at 9 PM. I'm going to be on vacation for the majority of the day, but I should be getting home at like 7 or 8. So I should be here. But, that's not a totally sure thing so I will still be giving my list out to someone.

[J W]

6) Legends from Redbirds

OK, so this is the correct pick... I've had it 1st round, 2nd round, then 1st round again. :confused:

[J W]

...the Legends therefore have four picks in the top eleven. With such a good class, this will likely set the bench-mark for most fruitful draft for a while. Needless to say the Skipjacks are concerned about it. :radio

[leecemark]

--I hope thjey are all correct anyway:p . There have been alot of trades and some picks have changed hands multiple times. All the corrections that people have imformed me of since the original list have beeen doubled checked and edited in. Anymore issues please speak up ASAP. We don't need to be sorting this out on draft day.

[leecemark]

...the Legends therefore have four picks in the top eleven. With such a good class, this will likely set the bench-mark for most fruitful draft for a while. Needless to say the Skipjacks are concerned about it. :radio ...and 6 of the top 20 as well as the 29th pick. The class of 63 should be enough to make the Legends a contender thru the mid/late- 60s (and Lew has a similar windfall coming up in the great 67 draft to reload:eek: ).

[catcher24]

Uh-Oh, you're on to me now! The problem is, I have holes to fill now, too. But this draft should help, and you're right Mark. I hope to do a little reloading in '67!:D :gt

BTW, Chris, I would strongly suggest your list go to Mark. He is basically an observer until the end of Round 3. Or perhaps one of the "interim" owners. One of them might enjoy being a little more involved.

[The Dude]

Mark,
Linz, Landrum, and Tartabull were all only signed to one year contracts.

[J W]

I know I'm submitting my top 16 list to Mark, which would carry me through my first two picks (no 3rd rounder). I trust him; after all, this is foremost his league.

[J W]

Also, the Skipjacks are announcing to all owners they will have several decent players / prospects available post-draft. These would be above-average players in 1964 or beyond, likely to be unprotected in '64 as we would simply run out of space for them.

A concrete list will be provided after the '63 draft. We will be specifically looking for future draft picks.

[catcher24]

Posted by JW:
We will be specifically looking for future draft picks.

OK, you can stop that line of thinking right now!!:laugh :laugh

[jkc32]

Shoeless might be interested in some of the players on the Skipjacks list...I'll keep an eye out for it.

[leecemark]

--A last reminder that our rookie draft is tomorrow at 9PM EST. I've recieved lists from two owners. Hopefully everyone else will either be able to draft live or has provided a list to someone else. If you can't/haven't please get a list to me/someone ASAP. Anyone not represented at the live draft will have their pick skipped over until they are able to make it themselves. That will really hurt if you miss your first round guy.

[catcher24]

How about everyone not show up at 9:00PM except for me!!:D

Looking forward to it with great anticipation!:clapping :gt

[ElHalo]

I have a first round pick and then nothing until the third round, when there won't be that many useful guys. I should be here since the new job lets me leave by 7:30 or so, but I might still be at the gym, so I'll get a choice out tonight (really only the one I'm concerned with).

[leecemark]

Chris, you need to clear your PMs. Your mailbox is full.

[mac195]

In case my computer blows up or something tomorrow, this man...

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Pressbox/1993/allencard.jpg

... is the #1 pick of the 1963 draft. Mr. Allen will join Frank Robinson, and form the greatest one-two punch seen at Yankee stadium since the days of Ruth and Gehrig, that is, unless somebody would like to make a good offer for him. I'm sure there are teams that could use a right handed slugger even more than I can.

[J W]

For a slugger of his caliber, playing 3B, at that price... I shudder to think what I'd have to give up to land him. :eek:

[catcher24]

And I still want to know why my stupid team had to suddenly figure out how to win the last month of the season!!:grouchy

[leecemark]

--New thread is up for the rookie draft. Mac, unless you're still working on a deal you can make the Allen pick official anytime.

[leecemark]

--While the draft is running its course for those still interested, here is a reminder of the next deadlines. The draft ends at midnight EST next Wednesday. That is also the deadline for the Diablos and Hard Cider to trade Al Smith and Willie Davis. At that time those players will be on waivers (if not traded) and the team with the worst 1962 record who puts in a claim can assume their contract. If nobody claims them they stay with their current teams. The deadline for making a claim is 9PM EST on Thursday, when the Premium Free Agent Auction commences.
--The format for the PFA this year will be a one at a time auction, lowest to highest slot (Andre Rogers, Woody Held, Earl Battey, Bill White, Clete Boyer, Milt Pappas, and Roger Maris). I intend to be very active in this auction, so if you can't be there perhaps an owner closer to the cap would be a better proxy.

[leecemark]

Thru the first pick of the 4th round, these are the roster levels I have programmed;
Cannons 37
Gamblers 37
Diablos 32
Shoeless Joes 35
Skipjacks 37
Knights 38
Legends 33
Hard Cider 36
Redbirds 31
Nothing they can do about until our rosters are full, but the owners in training have the following players on their rosters;
A's 30
Phillies 27
Senators 28

[The Dude]

Mark, don't I only have 34, or are you still counting Linz, Landrum, and Boros, my 3 FA's?

[leecemark]

--I had Boros out, but Linz and Landrum were still there. After releasing them and adding your draftees I have you at 35.

[ElHalo]

The Diablos have made a trade. Going to 532380 will be Bob Friend and a 1964 first round draft pick. Going to the Diablos will be Jimmy Wynn and Mudcat Grant.

Chris, please confirm.

[538280]

The Diablos have made a trade. Going to 532380 will be Bob Friend and a 1964 first round draft pick. Going to the Diablos will be Jimmy Wynn and Mudcat Grant.

Chris, please confirm.


That's a '67 first round pick, EH. I don't confirm just yet anyway.

[J W]

I count 36 players on my team Mark... or was Milt Pappas still included?

[catcher24]

Mark, maybe I missed it, but did we ever decide what format to use this year for the premium free agent draft, and the regular FA draft?

[leecemark]

--The format will be one at a time for the PFAs and same as last year (all at once over several days and last/high bid wins).

[leecemark]

The Diablos have made a trade. Going to 532380 will be Bob Friend and a 1964 first round draft pick. Going to the Diablos will be Jimmy Wynn and Mudcat Grant.

Chris, please confirm.

You already traded your first rounder in 64 to me for mine in 62 Jim.

[leecemark]

--Here are what I currently show on each roster. Please make corrections if needed.

[J W]

There's the discrepancy--Don Leppert is no longer on my team.

[ElHalo]

You already traded your first rounder in 64 to me for mine in 62 Jim.

My message was wrong, and it was a '67 first round pick. And apparently Chris backed out of it anyway. Trade cancelled. For future reference, though, if you make an offer, I obsolutely and unequivocally will hold you to it.

[jkc32]

The only discrepancy I noticed on the Shoeless roster is the omission of Charlie Maxwell (OF, $.25). Please add him back. With the drafting of Sadowski, I should be at 37 players.

[leecemark]

My message was wrong, and it was a '67 first round pick. And apparently Chris backed out of it anyway. Trade cancelled. For future reference, though, if you make an offer, I obsolutely and unequivocally will hold you to it.

--If I make an offer and it is accepted (at least in a timely manner) I would feel bound to confirm. It isn't official until publically posted (by one owner) and confirmed (by the other) though.

[catcher24]

Posted by Mark:
The format will be one at a time for the PFAs and same as last year (all at once over several days and last/high bid wins).

OK, I think I understand but Im not sure you completed your thought. The PFAs will go one at a time, but are we using JW's method - keep bidding until everyone withdraws? That was my impression.

And I think you meant to say that it will be same as last year for all other FA, right?;)

[leecemark]

--That is correct on the latter. For the PFA it will be more or less JW's idea. I'll post each player, beginning with Andre Rogers (that ought to be a thrilling auction:p ). At the first pause in the bidding I'll post "going once", "going twice", and a third post "sold" if nobody else chimes in (with Rodgers it will likely be "going to the secondary auction" - from whence he will be hoping to catch on as roster filler for an owner in training).
--I'll post an updated list of unsigned players immediately after the PFA closes. From there it will be an open, unstructured auction. The owner with the highest bid posted on a player at the close of the auction will get him. Anybody not at 40 players at that point will have 24 hours to sign as needed, first come first served at minimum wage. Anyone short of 40 players after all that will have a 250K roster charge for each vacant spot. Finally, the newbies will be able to sign 1 player per day for 9 days and as many as needed on the 10th day to fill their rosters. For those 10 days, the established owners will not be able to sign any free agents.

[catcher24]

Posted by Mark:
with Rodgers it will likely be "going to the secondary auction"

:laugh :laugh

I had a good laugh over those Rodgers comments - and they're dead on! I'm not sure even the doormats will want him!

[catcher24]

I would like to point out to everyone here at the Classic Keeper League that not only does Mark Leece hog championships here ;) , he has taken the PAP2 League championship! Mark won the wildcard in the International Division (I won't say where I finished:o ) and then rode the bats of Frank Robinson and Ed Mathews to the league championship.

CONGRATULATIONS MARK LEECE, PAP2 LEAGUE CHAMPION!!!:clapping :gt :gt :clapping

And also a public thanks on this league site to Scott Carter (PAP), who organized and runs the PAP2 League, and does a marvelous job with it.

[leecemark]

--We are starting to get a strong relationship going between those two leagues. Scott, Lew, Joe, George and I are all members of both. There seems to be an opening or two each season and Scott has looked to the CKL to fill those holes, just as I have to fill openings here. The PAP league does require owners to have the software though. Another great reason to buy diamondmind!

[leecemark]

--I just skimmed through the roster page and I think most of the salary numbers (totals not individual players) need updating. Based the total number of players, I know some (most) have not added their draftees. Here are the listed totals;
Knights: 80.75M for 38 players
Legends: 80.75M for ?? players
Skipjacks: 95.75 for 36 players
Gamblers: 85.75M for 30 players
Cannons: 85.25M (against a 95M cap) for ??? players
Hard Cider: 92M for 36 players
Redbirds: 86.50M for 30
Shoeless Joes: 71.5M for ???
Diablos: no listing
--Please post your $ spent and how many players needed before the start of free agency. It will help prevent you from going over the cap (right Chris?;) ) and let everybody else know what the competition looks like for players.

[ElHalo]

Sorry; my salaries were updated at the end of last season (so they reflect the raises needed for 1963) but they don't reflect the new roster changes. I'll do that this afternoon.

[catcher24]

OOPS, sorry, Mark. I have 33 players, need 7. I didn't change that yet because I still have a rookie or two I might draft. I'll do it now, though.

[leecemark]

--No need to apologise. If I had made more than one draft pick perhaps my totals wouldn't be updated either. I'd just like to have accurate totals up before the free agent auctions commence to avoid any cap problems.

[The Dude]

Mark, I figured out what was wrong. I had told you that LInz, Landrum, and Boros were my free agents that expired. Boros was just someone I released. I ment to say Jose Tartabull. He's not on my roster anymore.

[jkc32]

Shoeless roster is now updated with the 4 recent rookie signees.

--I just skimmed through the roster page and I think most of the salary numbers (totals not individual players) need updating. Based the total number of players, I know some (most) have not added their draftees. Here are the listed totals;
Shoeless Joes: 71.5M for ???
--Please post your $ spent and how many players needed before the start of free agency. It will help prevent you from going over the cap (right Chris?;) ) and let everybody else know what the competition looks like for players.

[ElHalo]

Mark;

I updated my rosters to reflect the non-tenders and rookies. I have 34 players; however, I can't recall what the rookie salary scale is, so I don't have updated salaries for my three draft picks.

[catcher24]

Jim - The first four rookies drafted have a salary of 1M; rookies 5 through 8 have a salary of 750K; rookies 9 through 12, salary 500K; every rookie thereafter is at 250K. Hope this helps!

[ElHalo]

Jim - The first four rookies drafted have a salary of 1M; rookies 5 through 8 have a salary of 750K; rookies 9 through 12, salary 500K; every rookie thereafter is at 250K. Hope this helps!

Thank you; helps much.

[mac195]

Johnny Roseboro should be at $8.5M, shouldn't he, EH? I drafted him at $8M in '61.

[ElHalo]

Johnny Roseboro should be at $8.5M, shouldn't he, EH? I drafted him at $8M in '61.

Ok. I'll change that.

[J W]

OK, here's the list of players on the Skipjacks' trading block:

Roger Craig - very good backend rotation/long relief candidate for '64

Bob Humphreys - real solid reliever in '64 and '66... should make a team in '65

Barry Latman - spot duty in '65... top-shelf long man in '66

George Thomas - perfect reserve OFer in '64... 117 OPS+ with power, above-average range factor, can play all three positions

If you are interested please contact the Skipjacks. Bring either small $$ players who can help us in '63, or draft picks.

[leecemark]

--24 hours to the PFA. Hope everyone has a plan in place for bidding. None of the available players are exactly going to change the direction of a franchise, but several are likely to be the difference between making the playoffs or not for the teams that get or miss out on them.

[mac195]

Mark, is there an updated free agent file?

[leecemark]

--Here you go...

[leecemark]

--Al Smith and Willie Davis will be on waivers if not traded by midnight EST tonight. If you are willing to assume their contract put in a claim and the team with the worst 1962 record will get them. If no one makes a claim before the start of the PFA tomorrow night they will remain with the Diablos and Hard Cider, respectively.

[leecemark]

--New thread going up called "CKL Free Agent Auction" that will cover both the Premium and Secondary markets. See you there:waving .

[ElHalo]

Ok;

I currently have 34 players wrapping up a total of $68 million. Looks like I have the big wallet for this FA season, but I don't know if I'll be using it, from the likes of the people who are available.

[mac195]

On the trading block:

A couple of good lefty outfielders:

Roger Maris - .312 EqA, .542 real life SLG in 350 PAs in '63, ideal for platoon, very good again in '64 for a full season. Plays all the OF positions. On a very reasonable $6M, 2-year contract.

Al Spangler - Good leadoff or #2 type hitter in '63, managed a real life .281 average and .355 OBP in the Astrodome, also rated at all the OF positions, a steal at 500K.

I'm open to any offer, especially a relief pitcher who is good in '64, or a draft pick.

[leecemark]

--Below is the type of data (less financial info) you will need to post for your team in the roster thread to get your team set up. The more info you include the closer your team will function to what you want.
--Please get your roster page set up ASAP with the player from the 61 versions of your teams in place. You can edit in any free agent you add as you get them. If your team is not posted at least 48 hours before the start of the season then I'll just run the same profiles they have used the past two years with your new players in the minors until you get updated.

Knights roster/lineups/pitching assignments/profile
Starting Lineup
C: Earl Battey (8.50M, FA63-65)
1B: Jim Gentile (7.50m, 61 draft)
2B: Junior Gilliam (3.50m, 61 draft)
3B: Eddie Mathews (10.50m, 61 draft)
SS: Dick McAuliffe (3.50m, 61 draft)
LF: Lee Maye (750K, 61 draft)
CF: Willie Mays (12m, franchise player)
RF: Leon Wagner (8.50M, 61 draft/trade)
bench
C: Tim McCarver (1m, 61 draft)
C: Jesse Gonder (2yr/250K FA, 62-3)
SS: Leo Cardenas (2.50m, 61 draft)
IF/OF: Woody Held (5.25M. FA63-65)
OF: Mike Hershberger (2yr/250K, 62-3)
OF: Vic Davalillo (250K, 63 draft)
Rotation
SP1: Camilio Pasqual (8.50m, 61 draft)
SP2: Curt Simmons (1.50m, 61 draft)
SP3: Ernie Broglio (1.50m, 61 draft)
SP4: Gary Peters (4m, 61 draft)
SP5: Don Nottebart (1M, 61 draft)
Bullpen

CL: Don Elston (750K, 61 draft)
RH Set up: Bill Dailey (750k, 61 draft/trade from Hard Cider)
LH Setup: Dennis Bennett (500k, 62 draft)
Longman: Gary Bell (2yr/250K FA, 62-3) - AAA
SpotSP: Joe Gibbons (250K/2yr 62-3)
Mopup: Bob Bolin 1.5M, 61 draft)

Farm hands
Kalamazoo Squires AAA, Hamtramack Dragons AA, Cheyboygan Wizards A
C: Cam Carreron (1M, 61 draft)
C/1b: Don Pavletich (250K, 61 draft/trade)
OF/1b: Lee Thomas (1.25M, 61 draft) - injured
OF: Mack Jones (500K, 61 draft) - AAA
IF: Dick Schofield (500K, 61 draft) -AAA
SP: Billy Stafford (1.50M, 61 draft/trade from Hard Cider) -injured
SP: Vern Law (250K, 61 draft) - AAA
SP: George Brunet (250K, 61 draft) - AA
RP: Bill Henry (1M, 61 draft/trade with Cannons) -AAA
RP: Jack Spring (750K, 61 draft) - AAA
CL: Barney Schultz (1.5m, 61 draft) - AAA
P: Don Larsen (500K, 61 draft) - AAA
P: Bob Bruce (500K, 61 draft) - AAA
RP: Arnie Early (250K, 61 draft) - AAA
RP: Ray Washburn (750K, 61 draft) - AAA
Total Salary = 94.50 milliion for 40 players - updated for 1963

Draft picks traded
--1964 first round pick aquired from Diablos
--1964 first round pick acquired from Cannons
--1964 second round pick acquired from Hard Cider

Managerial Profile
Lineup vs RHP
2B Gilliam (Held)
3B Mathews (Held)
CF Mays (Davalillio)
RF: Wagner (Davlillo, Davalillo DR)
C: Battey (McCarber 25%)
1B Gentile (Wagner)
LF Maye (Davalillo)
SS: McAuliffe (Cardenas, cardenas DR)
PH vs RHP: Gonder, Davalillo
PH vs LHP: Held, Gonder

Lineup vs LHP
2B: Gilliam (Held 25%)
3B: Mathews (Held 25%)
CF: Mays (Davalillo)
LF: Wagner (Maye, Maye DR)
1B Gentile (F. Thomas 50%)
C: Battey (McCarver)
RF: Hershberger (Held)
SS Cardenas (Held)
PH vs RHP: Gonder, Davalillo
PH vs LHP: Held, Gonder
***players in paras are the backups, % = the amount of games you want the backup to start at that position (if any), DR = defensive replacement.

Pitching
SP1 Simmonsl
SP2 Pascaul
SP3 Peters
SP4 Broglio
SP5 Nottebart (skip)
--skip means the 5th starter gets passed over if you have any offdays
Spot starter: Gibbon, Bolin
Mop up: Bolin, Gibbon
Long man: Bell, Dailey
LH set up: Bennett, Gibbon
RH set up: Dailey, Bell
RH Closer: Elston, Dailey
LH Closer: Elston, Bennett

ProfileBunt for hit: Least
Batting
Sac bunt: Least
Squeeze: Least
Steal: Least
Take extra bases: Standard
Take pitches: Standard
Pinch hitting
for pitchers: Less
for non-pitchers: Standard
for platoon partners: Standard
in blowouts: More
Pitching
pitch around - Standard
IBB - Standard
use relievers - Less
use closers - Standard

Defense
hold runners - Standard
IF in - Standard
guard lines - Standard

--For the managerial profile, standard means your team will be run "by the book" trying the various components about as often and when expected as the average team. More means you'll be doing it more frequently (and most even more), while less and least scale those items back. You can also make separate adjustments for indiviual players if you have one or two players who you don't want bunting or stealing or getting relieved or whatever than the rest of the team.


--Please fire away with questions. For owners who have the DMB program please e-mail me your MP once its ready, but also get your roster page updated for the benefit of our owners who don't have DMB. Thanks.

[catcher24]

I won't reload until 1967, Mark. Looks like you'll do it next year!!

[J W]

The Skipjacks announce a trade with the Hard Cider:

To the Hard Cider:
- Bob Humphreys

To the Skipjacks:
- Al Spangler
- HC 3rd round pick, 1969

Mac, please confirm.

[mac195]

HC confirm. Good luck to Al Spangler in Baltimore. If he doesn't work in the outfield, maybe he can become a star singing the National Anthem before games.

[leecemark]

--The secondary free agent bidding closes at 11PM EST tonight. Anyone who didn't get up to 40 through the course of these procedings has until midnight EST tomorrow to sign minium wage players remaining in the pool to get to the required number. Falure to get to 40 at that point will result in a 250K cap reduction for each player you are short. No signings will be permitted for the following 10 days as the owners in training will be given an opportunity to sign players to fill out their rosters during that period.
--If you went over 40 players during this bidding you must cut down to 40 before the same midnight tomorrow deadline. Any team over 40 at that point I will release as many minimum wage players needed to get there, starting with the last signed/drafted.
--The deadline for submitting manager profiles, lineups, etc will be noon EST on Sunday, July 30 (Yes, I know this is only mid-way through the doormat roster filling - only their first couple signing are likely to make the 25 man active roster and I'll run their existing profile if they aren't ready). Games will begin Monday, July 31.

[catcher24]

And let me once again be the one to beat the dead horse.:rolleyes: I strongly recommend that if you don't have the Diamond Mind game, you make every effort to obtain it. Once I bought it before our last season, it made everything so much easier for me (and for Mark). The website can do a lot to fill in the info you miss, but nothing can replace owning the game.

The advertisement is now over. We return to our regularly scheduled progamming.

[leecemark]

--Rosters for the established teams are now frozen for 10 days. Please get your team profiles updated (deadline is noon Sunday) and to me (electronically if you have the game and notify me that your roster page is updated otherwise).
--Owners in training you should be adding a player per day, starting today. You should also have your roster (the 61 teams) posted in the roster thread by now. Please get moving on this if you are still interested in participating

[The Dude]

LIneups updated for gamblers.

[538280]

Roster page updated.

[littlereb]

The Washington Senators sign free agent SP Johnny Podres.

[littlereb]

The Washington Senators sign free agent MR Ryne Duren.

[leecemark]

--Couple nice pickups, George. You'll make life a little tougher for your division rivals.

[catcher24]

Posted by Mark:
Couple nice pickups, George. You'll make life a little tougher for your division rivals.

Yeah, nice pickups, George. But you're in MY division, so knock it off, OK?:laugh

[Erik Bedard]

Should I have been posting HERE? Whatever, I'll repost. Duren and Podres were the next two guys for me to take.

The Phillies sign P Dave Morehead and C Johnny Blanchard.

[leecemark]

--Either rplace is fine. I've already added both players to your program roster. HankJeff please join the party.

[mac195]

Mark, my roster is ready to go.

[leecemark]

--I have 1963 Opening Day profiles from the Hard Cider, Shoeless Joes, Knights, Legends, Gamblers, Redbirds and Cannons. If anyone elses roster is ready to go, please let me know. Deadline is noon Sunday (although I suppose if you are later on Sunday or even early Monday I'll get it updated:atthepc ).
--The Opening Day games/series will be played Monday night. Please be ready.

[leecemark]

--JeffFrancuer7 (formerly HankAaron86) is now three days behind in picking players for the A's. He has not responded to e-mails and has also disappeared from another project (All Time Fantasy Draft) he was involved in. I am going to add three players to the A's today. He needs to get caught up by the Sunday noon roster deadline to keep his team. Otherwise the team will revert to league control. Players added are Larry Bernath, Lenny Green and Doc Edwards.

[catcher24]

Yeah, I took over his ATFD team, and I also sent him a PM about the Classic Keeper League. Wonder if he got hauled away on vacation by his parents and has no computer access, or got suspended from the computer for spending too much time at BBF!:eek:

[catcher24]

I have two relief pitchers in the minors who might be able to help you in 1963. I would be looking for a draft pick in exchange. The pitchers are Dave Debusschere, 114 ERA+/1.35 WHIP in 84.3 IP, and John Boozer, 110 ERA+/1.21 WHIP in 83 IP. They won't help in the future - Debusschere gave up baseball for hoops, and Boozer has no other even remotely decent years, his next best being two 83 ERA+ years. If interested, PM me.

[leecemark]

==Please make sure you get your team profiles updated by noon tomorrow. Still need the Diablos and Skipjacks, plus all three training team. Opening Day is Monday, ready or not.

[ElHalo]

Preliminarily updated my team; have to go to the Yankees game now, though.

[mac195]

Hard Cider are pleased to annouce a deal with the Redbirds for a player they see as the final piece to the puzzle for 1963. Joe Gaines will share left field with Maris, allowing Roger to concentrate on bashing righty pitchers, while he brings his big righthanded bat to the heart of the order vs. lefties.

Going to the Redbirds is versatile infielder, Mike de la Hoz. HC expect Mike to make a nice contribution to the 'Birds pennant drive in both '63 and '64.

[mac195]

Lineup vs. RHP
1 SS Groat (Goryl)
2 1B Cash (Fairly 5%)
3 RF Robinson (Fairly 5%)
4 LF Maris (Fairly 10%)
5 3B Rollins (Goryl)
6 CF Hall (Kolb) ( Davis DR)
7 C Haller (Berra 30%)
8 2B Moran (Goryl)
PH vs RHP: Kolb, Berra, Goryl
PH vs LHP: Goryl, Gaines, Kolb

Lineup vs. LHP
1 SS Groat (Goryl)
2 1B Cash (Fairly)
3 RF Robinson (Fairly)
4 LF Gaines (Maris DR)
5 3B Rollins (Goryl)
6 CF Hall (Kolb) (Davis DR)
7 C Haller (Schaffer 50%)
8 2B Moran (Goryl)
PH vs RHP: Kolb, Berra, Goryl
PH vs LHP: Goryl, Kolb, Berra

HC management has told Gaines to get his behind on the next flight to the Motor City...

[mac195]

OF Willie Davis has been sent down to make room for Gaines.

[leecemark]

--Mac, you need to send someone down to add Gaines to your active roster.
--Scott, you need to confirm for either of these players to be eligible for the opening series.
--JW (and all three new owners) I still need your profiles.

[538280]

I called up Al Weis, sent down Bill Bruton, and made these changes to my lineup:

Lineup vs. RHP
1.Albie Pearson, CF (Mantle 10%)
2.Tom Tresh, LF (Mantle 15%)
3.Hank Aaron, RF (Harper)
4.John Orsino, C (Pagliaroni 40%)
5.Fred Whitfield, 1B (Sievers 10%)
6.Ron Hansen, SS (Weis)
7.Felix Torres, 3B (Harper 5%)
8.Julian Javier, 2B (Weis 10%)
PH: Mantle, Sievers, Harper

Lineup vs. LHP
1.Albie Pearson, CF (Mantle 10%)
2.Tom Tresh, LF (Mantle 15%)
3.Hank Aaron, RF (Mantle)
4.John Orsino, C (Pagliaroni)
5.Tommy Harper, 3B (Torres 15%)
6.Roy Sievers, 1B (Whitfield 15%)
7.Ron Hansen, SS (Weis)
8.Julian Javier, 2B (Weis 10%)
PH: Mantle, Whitfield, Weis

[leecemark]

--Jim, I only show 38 players on the Diablos. Did you sign some guys I missed? If not, that is a 250K charge against your cap for each unfilled spot on the 40 man. Enjoy the game today.

[J W]

Apologies; will have roster update this afternoon.

-EDIT- Roster & Settings are up on the thread.

[ElHalo]

--Jim, I only show 38 players on the Diablos. Did you sign some guys I missed? If not, that is a 250K charge against your cap for each unfilled spot on the 40 man. Enjoy the game today.

I actually had been planning to add the players to hit up to 40, but apparently missed the free frenzy deadline and the rosters were frozen. I'll take the hit if I have to... I'd still like to use that space to pick up 80 ERA+ innings eaters just in case, but if it's too late that's ok.

And thanks. The game was awesome. But I have a peeve.

My ENTIRE row left after the eighth inning... with the Yankees holding a two run lead... and Mo Rivera coming out. 80% of the reason I go to Yankee games is to see Mo Rivera pitch. How do you do that???? I usually sit in the cheap seats up in the upper deck in right field (where Damon hit two today), but today I had seats my boss gave from his season tickets down with the rich people. How does that work? Can people honestly be big enough baseball fans to spend thousand and thousands of dollars on season tickets every year, and then leave right before Mo Rivera comes out? Granted, this was literally like five people in my section, but still. Disgusting.

[538280]

Wow, EH, you actually can just buy tickets whenever you want...that makes me envious. I wish that I lived in a place which 1.Had a team within 10 minutes of where I live (more like an hour and a half for me, there's not even a minor league team within about an hour), and 2.Wasn't sold out EVERY SINGLE DAY.

[leecemark]

I actually had been planning to add the players to hit up to 40, but apparently missed the free frenzy deadline and the rosters were frozen. I'll take the hit if I have to... I'd still like to use that space to pick up 80 ERA+ innings eaters just in case, but if it's too late that's ok.

And thanks. The game was awesome. But I have a peeve.

My ENTIRE row left after the eighth inning... with the Yankees holding a two run lead... and Mo Rivera coming out. 80% of the reason I go to Yankee games is to see Mo Rivera pitch. How do you do that???? I usually sit in the cheap seats up in the upper deck in right field (where Damon hit two today), but today I had seats my boss gave from his season tickets down with the rich people. How does that work? Can people honestly be big enough baseball fans to spend thousand and thousands of dollars on season tickets every year, and then leave right before Mo Rivera comes out? Granted, this was literally like five people in my section, but still. Disgusting.

--You can still add players, but not until after the doormats get their rosters filled. That will probably be two series in.
--The people who buy those high price tickets are either guys with more money than they know what to do with or corporate buys. I doubt many of your neighbors were die hard fans who dug deep to buy great seats.
--I try to sit somewhere different whenever I go to a game, but usually they are mid-price. Last summer I went with my boss and a beer rep. Budweiser had a block of seats directly behind homeplate. Awesome spot to watch a game (and great buffet!), but nobody in the area had bought their own tickets. They were all like me who just got a lucky invite.

[baseballPAP]

--Mac, you need to send someone down to add Gaines to your active roster.
--Scott, you need to confirm for either of these players to be eligible for the opening series.
--JW (and all three new owners) I still need your profiles.
I confirm....sorry guys, been away all day.
Mark, I'll just call up Warwick in Gaines' spot for this sim and put de la Hoz in AAA.

[leecemark]

--JW or Wil, please close this thread on your next visit. All further postings should go to the 1963 Season Thread. Good luck everybody.