Patterson Tracker

[Ubiquitous]

At the beginning of June Patterson made a lot of headlines because he has his base-stealing streak going and coming off a good May. Many Cub fans were gnashing their teeth at this point because here was their future star traded away for nothing doing what people expected him to be capable of. I preached patience at that point and said Patterson is an inconsistent and he has his ups and downs. So with June getting closer and closer to being wrapped up what has Patterson done?

In May he had this line: .292/.357/.506
In June he has this line: .278/.316/.361

And oddly enough you don't really hear much about him anymore.


His June stats are actually higher since it doesn't contain his 3/4 performance from yesterday.

[Lipsander]

Good thread, that is great. I hate seeing ex-Cubs do well......lol. Well, except for Nomar, he's a class act and I respect him more than most players.

[Whitesoxnut]

You dont hear about him because hes playing on a .452 team thats 10.5 out. He's at .294/.338/.458 right now, thos his Ks are high at 37 and hes only got 13 BBs. Compared to Pierre, whos at .242/.290/.306 with 24 Ks and 14 BBs. Of course CHGO baseball fans are always comparing because we are always wondering, "what if"?

Course these are the days when a 27yo millionaire ballplayer can decide on his own he's not a LOH, instead that he's a #7 hitter.

Can you imagine Don Kessinger going into Leo Durocher's office and telling him he cant bat LO because of the stress?:eek: Or Fergie Jenkins telling him he cant pitch more then a certain amount of pitches because his "arm is tired"?:laugh

[KCGHOST]

Last year Cub fans couldn't wait for Patterson to get out of town. Sometimes the devil you have is better than the devil in your future.

[Whitesoxnut]

Last year Cub fans couldn't wait for Patterson to get out of town. Sometimes the devil you have is better than the devil in your future.

Cub fans backed him , and supported him, for five years. Nobody got ran out of town by the fans and Corey had every opportunity and then some.

[rockin500]

Cub fans backed him , and supported him, for five years. Nobody got ran out of town by the fans and Corey had every opportunity and then some.
well, they did back him to a point. but he did come across before last season started as totally aloof and that he didnt really care if he went 0-4 and insisting that he was a #3 hitter.

after that, and not trying to adapt like most major leaguers need to do at some point, they gave up on him.

[Ubiquitous]

Corey was I think always a bit of a head case. At first I thought it was the Cubs fault and perhaps it still is but Corey always had an attitude. I remember when Patterson was in the minors back when Baylor was the manager and Patterson said I have nothing left to learn in the minors. He said this while hitting something like .240. Um yeah you do Corey, buckle down and learn. I think Corey just wasn't a very focused ballplayer and the Cubs didn't know how to handle that. We'll see if the Orioles can. He went 0-4 tonight, so far.

[rockin500]

Corey was I think always a bit of a head case. At first I thought it was the Cubs fault and perhaps it still is but Corey always had an attitude. I remember when Patterson was in the minors back when Baylor was the manager and Patterson said I have nothing left to learn in the minors. He said this while hitting something like .240. Um yeah you do Corey, buckle down and learn. I think Corey just wasn't a very focused ballplayer and the Cubs didn't know how to handle that. We'll see if the Orioles can. He went 0-4 tonight, so far.
i think it was right after the 2002 season or sometime in the offseason of 2003 that Baylor compared him to Odibe McDowell.

[The Big C]

What'd we get for Patterson? How much are we paying his replacement? How well is that replacement doing? Yeah, even if Corey falls off, we all still have a right to be a little bit bitter, or atleast complain about the lack of return for him.

[rockin500]

What'd we get for Patterson? How much are we paying his replacement? How well is that replacement doing? Yeah, even if Corey falls off, we all still have a right to be a little bit bitter, or atleast complain about the lack of return for him.
no we dont. If i remember correctly, and i do, the guy was pretty much run out of town on a rail by time september rolled around. If you heard sports talk radio late last season, you would know that no one around these parts wanted him back.

you arent going to get anything of value from a guy who is batting below .220, has an OBP of below .300, didnt have a good SLG and a guy who had a penchant for being uncoachable.

[Whitesoxnut]

My point of course being Patterson was backed and supported for as long as a guy like that could expect from any fans anywheres. In other words the fans in CHGO weren't the problem, Patterson was the problem. The guy had every opportunity possible from a MLB city. Dusty isn't a good player development manager but you have to admit Patterson was just a tomato and any manager would have been frustrated with him here. Strange how the manager is blamed nowdays for what fans would have been throwing garbage at "players" for years ago.

[Lipsander]

i think it was right after the 2002 season or sometime in the offseason of 2003 that Baylor compared him to Odibe McDowell.


I never thought I would hear or see the name Odibe McDowell ever again......:laugh

[The Big C]

no we dont. If i remember correctly, and i do, the guy was pretty much run out of town on a rail by time september rolled around. If you heard sports talk radio late last season, you would know that no one around these parts wanted him back.

you arent going to get anything of value from a guy who is batting below .220, has an OBP of below .300, didnt have a good SLG and a guy who had a penchant for being uncoachable.
I think you're right. I just looked at his stats from last year again. I had forgotten just how terrible he was last year.

I'm pretty biased on this issue, Corey is one of my favorite players.

[Ubiquitous]

Corey's final numbers are .276/.314/.443 with 75 runs, 53 RBI, 45 steals, 16 home runs, and 19 doubles.

[RBi]

Corey's final numbers are .276/.314/.443 with 75 runs, 53 RBI, 45 steals, 16 home runs, and 19 doubles.

45 stolenbases looks nice... BUT the fact that only 14 came in the 2nd half... goes to show that maybe he should have done some off season conditioning... Barrett invited Patterson to his offseason workouts... but Corey Declined...


Sad..

[Cubsfan97]

So Patterson was good, but Pierre was better and we overall made the right choice by trading him and getting Pierre to play center. Im glad that Patterson did well though, I liked him and it was sad to see him slumping like he did last year. Hopefully we can get a goo centerfielder for next year, I would love to see Pierre come back, it was always exciting to see him get on because you always knew he wanted a stolen base. We didnt have many of them last year so it deffinetly made the game a bit more exciting.

[Bob Sacamento]

So Patterson was good, but Pierre was better and we overall made the right choice by trading him and getting Pierre to play center. Im glad that Patterson did well though, I liked him and it was sad to see him slumping like he did last year. Hopefully we can get a goo centerfielder for next year, I would love to see Pierre come back, it was always exciting to see him get on because you always knew he wanted a stolen base. We didnt have many of them last year so it deffinetly made the game a bit more exciting.
Guess what though, now after a year we're going to lose Pierre after giving up two top pitching prospects (both lefties) in Nolasco and Pinto plus a serviceable arm in Mitre. The best we're going to get out of Pierre is a supplemental draft pick and that's variable.

I'd still rather have kept Patterson (and still have him).

[RBi]

I'd still rather have kept Patterson (and still have him).

Am I the only one who was happy he left... ONLY because the way fans boo'd him... A lot like yesterday when Dusty was boo'd in the 7th when he visited the mound... I sometimes am ashamed to admit I am a Cubs fan due to they way some 'fans' act.

[rockin500]

Guess what though, now after a year we're going to lose Pierre after giving up two top pitching prospects (both lefties) in Nolasco and Pinto plus a serviceable arm in Mitre. The best we're going to get out of Pierre is a supplemental draft pick and that's variable.

I'd still rather have kept Patterson (and still have him).
why? so he could get booed even more? fail more? his time was done here in chicago, considering that he was a pariah and you cant leave a pariah on your team if you can help it.

[RBi]

why? so he could get booed even more? fail more? his time was done here in chicago, considering that he was a pariah and you cant leave a pariah on your team if you can help it.

I am sure that is what went through Andy McPhails mind recently...

"Man I can not take a beating one more time at a Cubs convention, I got to get out!!"

[burger eater]

Guess what though, now after a year we're going to lose Pierre after giving up two top pitching prospects (both lefties) in Nolasco and Pinto...

Have you ever seen Nolasco pitch?

[RBi]

Have you ever seen Nolasco pitch?

Welcome back first off.. Good to see you around these parts..

Secondly.. I know he was 2-0 against the Cubs this year..

:)

[rockin500]

Welcome back first off.. Good to see you around these parts..

Secondly.. I know he was 2-0 against the Cubs this year..

:)
well, he was a lefty rookie. cubs dont do well against those. ;)

[burger eater]

2-0 against the 2006 Cubs isn't much of a feat.
Plus one of the wins was in a 2 inning relief appearance.

The great Zach Duke --- the .302 BAA, 4.47 ERA, 255 hits in 215 innings --- Zach Duke, was 2-1 with a 1.86 ERA in 4 starts against the Cubs in 2006.

If you take away Duke's 4 games against the hitless Cubs, his season ERA comes to 4.88.

Thanks for the welcome back. I should know better, but in the past 24 hours the Cubs have done just enough to make me think they give a crap about getting better.

[RBi]

Thanks for the welcome back. I should know better, but in the past 24 hours the Cubs have done just enough to make me think they give a crap about getting better.
:clapping :clapping :clapping

The "fan quote of the year"

[burger eater]

Has anyone here actually watched Nolasco pitch?

I watched him a few times this year.

The first thing I can tell you is that he's not a left-hander... unless for some reason he just happened to be throwing with his right arm on the days that I watched him. He looked like a right-hander to me.

The second thing I can tell you is that he's very hittable. The best thing about him is his control. He doesn't allow many walks, but if he's not consistantly keeping his pitches down and fooling hitters with his breaking pitch, he gets hit hard. He looks like a league average pitcher/innings eater.

[The Toy Cannon]

So Patterson was good, but Pierre was better

No, not really. Patterson posted a .272 EqA(to Pierre's .254), and is rated above Pierre in most defensive metrics. Pierre may have had a better batting average and a shiny 0 in the error column, but Patterson was better, and at half the price.


He looks like a league average pitcher/innings eater.

The Cubs could use a guy like that. They had one pitcher throw more than 140 innings this year.

[rockin500]

Has anyone here actually watched Nolasco pitch?

I watched him a few times this year.

The first thing I can tell you is that he's not a left-hander... unless for some reason he just happened to be throwing with his right arm on the days that I watched him. He looked like a right-hander to me.

The second thing I can tell you is that he's very hittable. The best thing about him is his control. He doesn't allow many walks, but if he's not consistantly keeping his pitches down and fooling hitters with his breaking pitch, he gets hit hard. He looks like a league average pitcher/innings eater.
actually no. only games i knew he played the cubs i heard parts of it on the radio. hardly watched either series. still wouldnt have mattered since they cant hit rookie righties either.

[The Big C]

I still miss Corey. But I know I'm almost alone. It's just sad to me that the Cubs could never utilize him correctly.

[rockin500]

I still miss Corey. But I know I'm almost alone. It's just sad to me that the Cubs could never utilize him correctly.
its sadder to me that he allowed his attitude to affect his play that much. if he had actually worked to succeed where he was placed instead of always insisting he was a #3 hitter, he might have actually succeeded.

[Bob Sacamento]

its sadder to me that he allowed his attitude to affect his play that much. if he had actually worked to succeed where he was placed instead of always insisting he was a #3 hitter, he might have actually succeeded.
What's sadder are the moronic fans in Chicago who pushed him deeper and deeper into the slump. When a player is in a slump, booing by the home team crowd does nothing but hinder. What's the saddiest is that Hendry let himself get pushed around by those some moronic fans which led to a horrible deal. Let's look to see what the great return that the Wizard Hendry pulled out for us, Nate Spears, a 2B/SS and Carlos Perez, a LHP, both played for Daytona (High A).

Spears in 97 g, 79 for 321, 45 runs, 15 2B, 1 3B, 1 hr, 25 rbi, 31 bb, 53 k, 7/11 sb, .246/.323/.308/.632

Perez was 5-8 with a save while appearing in 29 games, 19 being starts. He went 110 2/3 IP giving up 141 hits, 58 er, 8 hr, 56 bb, 86 k, 4.80 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, and a .322 BAA.

Corey IS NOT a leadoff hitter, he never was, and will never be. Corey is a slugger who happens to have speed, not a speedster that happens to have power. He could work years on becoming a leadoff man and it would never happen. No matter how much effort, you can't make a square peg fit into a round hole, toddlers learn that in pre-school. Why, as adults, can some not make the same connection they did as infants? Don't let the illusion of speed make you believe that's what makes a leadoff hitter, it's one component but hardly the benchmark. The Cubs drafted Corey as a clog in the middle of the lineup, as a minor leaguer they groomed as a clog in the middle of the lineup, then suddenly you want to make him a leadoff hitter in the MLB? Cuckoo.

[rockin500]

What's sadder are the moronic fans in Chicago who pushed him deeper and deeper into the slump. When a player is in a slump, booing by the home team crowd does nothing but hinder. What's the saddiest is that Hendry let himself get pushed around by those some moronic fans which led to a horrible deal. Let's look to see what the great return that the Wizard Hendry pulled out for us, Nate Spears, a 2B/SS and Carlos Perez, a LHP, both played for Daytona (High A).

Spears in 97 g, 79 for 321, 45 runs, 15 2B, 1 3B, 1 hr, 25 rbi, 31 bb, 53 k, 7/11 sb, .246/.323/.308/.632

Perez was 5-8 with a save while appearing in 29 games, 19 being starts. He went 110 2/3 IP giving up 141 hits, 58 er, 8 hr, 56 bb, 86 k, 4.80 ERA, 1.26 WHIP, and a .322 BAA.

Corey IS NOT a leadoff hitter, he never was, and will never be. Corey is a slugger who happens to have speed, not a speedster that happens to have power. He could work years on becoming a leadoff man and it would never happen. No matter how much effort, you can't make a square peg fit into a round hole, toddlers learn that in pre-school. Why, as adults, can some not make the same connection they did as infants? Don't let the illusion of speed make you believe that's what makes a leadoff hitter, it's one component but hardly the benchmark. The Cubs drafted Corey as a clog in the middle of the lineup, as a minor leaguer they groomed as a clog in the middle of the lineup, then suddenly you want to make him a leadoff hitter in the MLB? Cuckoo.
did you ever think that it was corey's own attitude that caused many fans to be turned off?

[Bob Sacamento]

did you ever think that it was corey's own attitude that caused many fans to be turned off?
After watching Chicago fans morph into degenerate Philly fans the last 3 years, NO. The fans at Wrigley now are more fickle than a Jersey pickle. It was not long ago that a Cubs starter could come back home and get cheered on even if they were in a monster slump. Now if you go 0-10 or have been hit hard of late, you'll get boobirds throughout the park.

Jacque Jones is a perfect example this year. When Jones was in a myriad of a slump in the beginning of the season, Wrigley was all over him. With Jones receiving garbage thrown at him while playing right field, unmercifully booing at the plate even if he helped win the prior game, to even death threats. Later in the year, Wrigley fans loved him but don't let that fool you. The players (even opposing players) took note of how the home team treated their own, and several said it left a bad taste in their mouth.

Pierre got some of the Jones' love too late in the year, but earlier like Jones, Juan was on the receiving end of some distasteful remarks and boos(not nearly as bad though). He even brought it up recently in interviews and still seems pretty peeved on how his buddy Jones was treated. Players remember how they were treated by the fans, and they tell other players and next thing ya know, no big time free agents want to play for you.

[rockin500]

After watching Chicago fans morph into degenerate Philly fans the last 3 years, NO. The fans at Wrigley now are more fickle than a Jersey pickle. It was not long ago that a Cubs starter could come back home and get cheered on even if they were in a monster slump. Now if you go 0-10 or have been hit hard of late, you'll get boobirds throughout the park.

Jacque Jones is a perfect example this year. When Jones was in a myriad of a slump in the beginning of the season, Wrigley was all over him. With Jones receiving garbage thrown at him while playing right field, unmercifully booing at the plate even if he helped win the prior game, to even death threats. Later in the year, Wrigley fans loved him but don't let that fool you. The players (even opposing players) took note of how the home team treated their own, and several said it left a bad taste in their mouth.

Pierre got some of the Jones' love too late in the year, but earlier like Jones, Juan was on the receiving end of some distasteful remarks and boos(not nearly as bad though). He even brought it up recently in interviews and still seems pretty peeved on how his buddy Jones was treated. Players remember how they were treated by the fans, and they tell other players and next thing ya know, no big time free agents want to play for you.
have you actually gone to many ballgames over the past 3-4 years? i wont disagree on the jones part, but they certainly dont boo every 0-10 slump. otherwise cedeno would have been crucified. ramirez certainly didnt get booed as much as his two month long slump probably deserved and his perceived lack of hustle.

lots of fans boo lack of hustle more than lack of results. corey not only had lack of results, he looked lacksadasical out there and looked like he didnt care all that much.

there is no reason to really cheer for a player who is in a monster slump, especially when they appear as if they dont care.

the simple fact is corey sucked and deserved to get booed.

[Ubiquitous]

What's sadder are the moronic fans in Chicago who pushed him deeper and deeper into the slump. When a player is in a slump, booing by the home team crowd does nothing but hinder.


The baltimore fans were behind Corey and so was the media yet he still put up .280/.313/.364, .275/.290/.352, and .247/.299/.432 for 3 consecutive months. It isn't the fans that cause Corey to be worse then mediocre, it is Corey that causes that.

[RBi]

The baltimore fans were behind Corey and so was the media yet he still put up .280/.313/.364, .275/.290/.352, and .247/.299/.432 for 3 consecutive months. It isn't the fans that cause Corey to be worse then mediocre, it is Corey that causes that.

BUT>..

If you are comparing numbers from the "baltimore fans backing" to the "chicago fans booing"

Would it not be acurate to compare the numbers from last year to this year?

there is NO doubt this year was better for him...

I am still sticking to my "you just dont boo your team" rules... in managment... we call this "united front"

not saying anyone is right or wrong... but that is just how I would like to see it...
:)

[Ubiquitous]

Last year was not the first time Patterson was booed. But let us say it was. Let us even say it hurt his performance. I would say so what. If it takes the fans cheering him and showering him with love to put up a .276/.314/.443 then I'm sorry it just isn't worth it.

[Bob Sacamento]

Last year was not the first time Patterson was booed. But let us say it was. Let us even say it hurt his performance. I would say so what. If it takes the fans cheering him and showering him with love to put up a .276/.314/.443 then I'm sorry it just isn't worth it.
Last year was the first year Corey's EVER been booed like that, the fans treated him worse than any Cub the last 20 years not named LaTroy Hawkins.

[Ubiquitous]

So then it is okay to boo him and it doesn't impact him until it is everyday right? And before last year they didn't boo him everyday right? So what caused them to boo him everyday? And when did it become full time? Nobody was booing him in April or May. It wasn't until he put up a consistent stink-fest that the fans turned on him everyday right?

In June of 2004 the fans were booing Patterson practically everyday until he went on a hot streak. The difference? This time Patterson didn't go on a hot streak. Again the fans didn't cause Corey to not hit, it was Corey who did that. Corey's bat every season wil disappear for 20 to 30 games at a time, sometimes he goes on a hot streak after it sometimes he doesn't.

[rockin500]

Last year was the first year Corey's EVER been booed like that, the fans treated him worse than any Cub the last 20 years not named LaTroy Hawkins.
and it was because of his attitude. poor performance gets booed, but not all that bad. having a bad attitude and not performing and malingering will get you booed terribly. Otherwise neifi would have gotten booed much more than he did prior to the game where he was seen laughing after the error. after that, he certainly got booed much more often.

and ubi is right, corey didnt get consistently booed until he stunk it up for a month or so. it wasnt until early june that he really got the treatment.