Connection vs resistance

[swingbuster]

From Tom to me via Jack.

Beyond Connection...the mechanism of great hitters

Efficient transfer mechanics produce the dynamic load (exponential resistant factor) that causes the “deceleration” of segments you mentioned. Poor transfer mechanics offers a much-reduced resistance (load or work done) to segment rotation and therefore, covert less rotation energy into bat speed...

Take home point here SB...You must have resistance to segment rotation. Just putting the hands back alone doesn't maximize resisitance and this IS part of the problem with top hand dominance and bat drag. Loading the scap alone doesn't always supply enough resistance. This is somewhat dependant on the flexibility and muscle mass of the player in question. i.e. it takes more resistance to segment Sosa than Catlin. We tend to contrast girls vs men by strength but there is this other comp of how they flex, stretch, and segment that are factors that must be considered.

In a nutshell...can the average girl and LL boy handle this much resistance; could muscular guys like Bo Jackson, CHipper, Puckett, and Sheffield play without it. Can they swing the same given the body types


"Hands that are propelled into a circular path cause the bat-head to first arc back toward the catcher. Generating this early angular bat-head displacement produces a higher load (more work done) to rotation which transfers more of the body’s rotational energy into bat speed. The load offered to rotation approaches maximum as the hand-path “hooks” back approaching contact. – We refer the cause of “deceleration” of segments as, “sucking the energy out of the system.” --- Adding THT to the CHP increases the rotational load even more."


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This "resistance" is related to but not the same thing as "connection".

This resistence complements and strengthens connection and increases elasticity , quickness and batspeed

The "THT" early in the swing is also essential in creating an efficient "cusp" of body coil for unloading. ZIg's name for the "cusp" creation is "xfactor stretch".

The result of good "transfer mechanics" and a good loading cusp are the "speed gains" through the proximal to distal links of the kinetic chain as measured by ZIG and reported here:


http://www.batspeed.com/messageboard/10685.html

"xfactor stretch" creates the coiling cusp.

"speed gains" are a measure of nonspinning segmental whipping.

[4for4]

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amesay ingthay asway "onnectioncay".

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andway atspeedbay

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essentialway inway eatingcray anway efficientway "uspcay" ofway
odybay oilcay orfay unloadingway. Ig'szay amenay orfay ethay "
uspcay" eationcray isway "actorxfay etchstray".

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erehay:


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[Daddylawman]

Now - I don't care who you are - that's funny!

:clapping:

[hiddengem]

Omfray Omtay otay emay iavay Ackjay.

Eyondbay Onnectioncay...ethay echanismmay ofway eatgray
ittershay

Efficientway ansfertray echanicsmay oducepray ethay ynamicday
oadlay (exponentialway esistantray actorfay) atthay ausescay
ethay “ecelerationday” ofway egmentssay ouyay entionedmay.
Oorpay ansfertray echanicsmay offersway away uchmay-educedray
esistanceray (oadlay orway orkway oneday) otay egmentsay
otationray andway ereforethay, overtcay esslay otationray
energyway intoway atbay eedspay...

Aketay omehay ointpay erehay SBAY...Ouyay ustmay avehay
esistanceray otay egmentsay otationray. Ustjay uttingpay ethay
andshay ackbay aloneway oesn'tday aximizemay esisitanceray
andway isthay ISWAY artpay ofway ethay oblempray ithway optay
andhay ominanceday andway atbay agdray. Oadinglay ethay apscay
aloneway oesn'tday alwaysway upplysay enoughway esistanceray.
Isthay isway omewhatsay ependantday onway ethay exibilityflay
andway usclemay assmay ofway ethay ayerplay inway estionquay.
iway.eway. itway akestay oremay esistanceray otay egmentsay
Osasay anthay Atlincay. Eway endtay otay ontrastcay irlsgay vsay
enmay ybay engthstray utbay erethay isway isthay otherway
ompcay ofway owhay eythay exflay, etchstray, andway egmentsay
atthay areway actorsfay atthay ustmay ebay onsideredcay.

Inway away utshellnay...ancay ethay averageway irlgay andway
LLAY oybay andlehay isthay uchmay esistanceray; ouldcay
uscularmay uysgay ikelay Obay Acksonjay, IppercHAY, Uckettpay,
andway Effieldshay ayplay ithoutway itway. Ancay eythay ingsway
ethay amesay ivengay ethay odybay ypestay


"Andshay atthay areway opelledpray intoway away ircularcay
athpay ausecay ethay atbay-eadhay otay irstfay arcway ackbay
owardtay ethay atchercay. Eneratinggay isthay earlyway
angularway atbay-eadhay isplacementday oducespray away igherhay
oadlay (oremay orkway oneday) otay otationray ichwhay
ansferstray oremay ofway ethay odybay’say otationalray energyway
intoway atbay eedspay. Ethay oadlay offeredway otay otationray
approachesway aximummay asway ethay andhay-athpay “ookshay”
ackbay approachingway ontactcay. – Eway eferray ethay ausecay
ofway “ecelerationday” ofway egmentssay asway, “uckingsay ethay
energyway outway ofway ethay ystemsay.” --- Addingway THTAY otay
ethay CHPAY increasesway ethay otationalray oadlay evenway
oremay."


--------
Isthay "esistanceray" isway elatedray otay utbay otnay ethay
amesay ingthay asway "onnectioncay".

Isthay esistenceray omplementscay andway engthensstray
onnectioncay andway increasesway elasticityway , icknessquay
andway atspeedbay

Ethay "THTAY" earlyway inway ethay ingsway isway alsoway
essentialway inway eatingcray anway efficientway "uspcay" ofway
odybay oilcay orfay unloadingway. Ig'szay amenay orfay ethay "
uspcay" eationcray isway "actorxfay etchstray".

Ethay esultray ofway oodgay "ansfertray echanicsmay" andway away
oodgay oadinglay uspcay areway ethay "eedspay ainsgay"
oughthray ethay oximalpray otay istalday inkslay ofway ethay
inetickay ainchay asway easuredmay ybay IGZAY andway eportedray
erehay:


httpay://wwway.atspeedbay.omcay/essageboardmay/10685.htmlay

"actorxfay etchstray" eatescray ethay oilingcay uspcay.

"eedspay ainsgay" areway away easuremay ofway onspinningnay
egmentalsay ippingwhay.

why the need for this?

[wogdoggy]

From Tom to me via Jack.

Beyond Connection...the mechanism of great hitters

Efficient transfer mechanics produce the dynamic load (exponential resistant factor) that causes the “deceleration” of segments you mentioned. Poor transfer mechanics offers a much-reduced resistance (load or work done) to segment rotation and therefore, covert less rotation energy into bat speed...

Take home point here SB...You must have resistance to segment rotation. Just putting the hands back alone doesn't maximize resisitance and this IS part of the problem with top hand dominance and bat drag. Loading the scap alone doesn't always supply enough resistance. This is somewhat dependant on the flexibility and muscle mass of the player in question. i.e. it takes more resistance to segment Sosa than Catlin. We tend to contrast girls vs men by strength but there is this other comp of how they flex, stretch, and segment that are factors that must be considered.

In a nutshell...can the average girl and LL boy handle this much resistance; could muscular guys like Bo Jackson, CHipper, Puckett, and Sheffield play without it. Can they swing the same given the body types


"Hands that are propelled into a circular path cause the bat-head to first arc back toward the catcher. Generating this early angular bat-head displacement produces a higher load (more work done) to rotation which transfers more of the body’s rotational energy into bat speed. The load offered to rotation approaches maximum as the hand-path “hooks” back approaching contact. – We refer the cause of “deceleration” of segments as, “sucking the energy out of the system.” --- Adding THT to the CHP increases the rotational load even more."


--------
This "resistance" is related to but not the same thing as "connection".

This resistence complements and strengthens connection and increases elasticity , quickness and batspeed

The "THT" early in the swing is also essential in creating an efficient "cusp" of body coil for unloading. ZIg's name for the "cusp" creation is "xfactor stretch".

The result of good "transfer mechanics" and a good loading cusp are the "speed gains" through the proximal to distal links of the kinetic chain as measured by ZIG and reported here:


http://www.batspeed.com/messageboard/10685.html

"xfactor stretch" creates the coiling cusp.

"speed gains" are a measure of nonspinning segmental whipping.



x factor creates two tiered swing,,hips open prematurely bat stays backs causing a powerful but long little league swing..is that what we are talking about?

[Steve Englishbey]

"Beyond Connection."

Swingbuster I understand your largely ego driven need to assert that your hitting wisdom goes beyond "Posture ,Connection ,Rotation."


But the simple fact remains that you do not understand what these terms mean and how they apply to both analysing elite swings and how they can be used as a foundation by which to instruct.[ and I would certainly encourage others to understand that it is almosrt entirely pointless to try to engage you in whathas and will no doubt continue to amount to a futile effort to get you to even listen somewhat closely to what others have to say about what I teach or what comes out of setpro.]


And there is absolutely no evidence that would indicate that you really want to understand .

All you [and this applies to "the expert of the experts"] do with what others write is take bits and pieces of what they say ,to then use to assert your hitting wisdom.

Most of what you write is simply a function of you not listening to what others say,not caring what they say,and is a function of you merely looking for opportunities to assert you hitting wisdom -----which largely amounts to a collection of ideas that are not internally consistent ,not empirically verified ,or not backed by any kind of scientific rigor.In this latter case this means that I think your understanding of sports biomechanics is poor and that you are merely cavalierly use other peoples science terms without understanding their actual meaning.You may think this impresses some ,but it certainly does not impress those who have some working knowledge of the language and principles involved in sports biomechanics.You sure as hell are not fooling me ,to put it mildly.]

[As an aside ,just because you are a doctor and have some understanding of anatomy does not mean you have any real understanding of sports biomechanics and/or areas of expertise involving the science of movement.]

Surgical expertise and training [athletes] expertise are not related.

[I would not and do not assert that because I have some expertise in training athletes that I therefore have expertise as a doctor or surgeon.I'm smart enough to realize that they are not very much related .]

steve

[swingbuster]

Steve ,

I don't know WTF you just said or why you would take the time to say all of that.

There is a difference between connection and resistance. If people do not understand it then they are missing something.

If they want to understand it to the point thay can benefit from it then they should read the post a few times. Granted , the concept is not simple. It happens to be very true.

If you think it is not true then we disagree. Not a problem for me.

[Ohfor]

Steve ,

I don't know WTF you just said or why you would take the time to say all of that...

Zactly. No surprise here.

[swingbuster]

Ofher...

Who is mystery Matt?

You guys remind me of the guy who fired his Maid for stealing his Holiday Inn Towels...

[4for4]

why the need for this?

why ask why?

[4for4]

Ofher...

Who is mystery Matt?

You guys remind me of the guy who fired his Maid for stealing his Holiday Inn Towels...

You remind me of the maid that was stealing the towels.

[wilson68]

4for4,

Is there a program that does that or did you have to do it by hand?

[swingbuster]

x factor creates two tiered swing,,hips open prematurely bat stays backs causing a powerful but long little league swing..is that what we are talking about?

Are we creating a powerful LL swing ? Well you can create a powerful LL swing.

Somewhere between a bat drag one piece spin and a two teired swing with too much separation is a swing that will fit you.

Which one gets posted in kids here as having a faulty approach? Don't think I have seen the later Woggy. Seen plenty of the first though. THat should make you think.

[wogdoggy]

Which one gets posted in kids here as having a faulty approach? Don't think I have seen the later Woggy. Seen plenty of the first though. THat should make you think.


make me think what?
I have no problem getting another clip of wogdoggy up here.
have one up in a day or two,

seen plenty of nothing from you.
you post clips of swings of kids you had nothing to do with,and you got the nads to call people out?Why dont you just stay home and count your money from the HBH and say your blessed beyond belief?gotta wonder:rolleyes:

[swingbuster]

woggy,

Let me explain something. My kid has played. We are done and I coach other kids now.

I have learned a lot of cause and effect and how to make kids do better and how to handle themselves at the plate. Some is mechanics and some is decision making and how to do that

This posse up stuff is a joke.

Either read it and use it or not. One more person out of the posse siding with the posse doesn't mean anything to me... really. IN order to not get slammed on BF you must say I am an idiot...I expect that. I am just pointing out what Hank Aaron and Ted Williams did as hitters based on clips

Take the stuff to the yard and try some of it. You test it. I tried a " jillion " things. Don't be afraid to experiment. They will not break.


If you think you know anything about me, why I coach kids, the HBH ( and its future) , my money, and what I personally consider "blessed" you have a ways to go.

God Bless You...

[wogdoggy]

woggy,

Let me explain something. My kid has played. We are done and I coach other kids now.

I have learned a lot of cause and effect and how to make kids do better and how to handle themselves at the plate. Some is mechanics and some is decision making and how to do that

This posse up stuff is a joke.

Either read it and use it or not. One more person out of the posse siding with the posse doesn't mean anything to me... really. IN order to not get slammed on BF you must say I am an idiot...I expect that. I am just pointing out what Hank Aaron and Ted Williams did as hitters based on clips

Take the stuff to the yard and try some of it. You test it. I tried a " jillion " things. Don't be afraid to experiment. They will not break.

Good luck Buddy

IN order to not get slammed on BF you must say I am an idiot...I expect that. I am just pointing out what Hank Aaron and Ted Williams did as hitters based on clips


NOT TRUE!

[swingbuster]

NOT TRUE


Ted and Hank had a bat plane transition from 45 to 90 back to 45 during the load. So does Bonds, Ruth, Chipper, Puckett, Bergmon, Glaus, Dunn, Piazza, Franko, Bo Jackson.....................

You decide if you think it is important to you and your kid and why they did it. ....or not