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LouGehrig

06-12-2006, 04:42 PM

Please explain why it has been so long (relatively) since the last no hitter, which was pitched by a pitcher who doesn't have the decency to retire?

There were none last season and there have been none this season. That has not happened for a while.

geezer

06-12-2006, 08:12 PM

Gehrig, I open that thread a month ago, and its been exacltly 2 years and 25 days since the last no-no, and trust me, Im also desperate to see one at least on TV live.

Oh BTW, see my signature.

otis89

06-12-2006, 08:57 PM

Because when Carlos Zambrano gets close to a no-hitter in Houston, the umpire has to make his strike zone smaller until he loses the no-hitter.

soberdennis

06-12-2006, 09:01 PM

Chris Young had two straight games where he went past the 5th inning before giving up a hit. There sill be one. I just don't know when.

Astro

06-12-2006, 09:14 PM

Because when Carlos Zambrano gets close to a no-hitter in Houston, the umpire has to make his strike zone smaller until he loses the no-hitter.
And then a Cubs fan comes and complains about it even when the strike zone was consistent...

I was at a BW3s with a Cubs fan watching it.... stood up and applauded when Preston got the hit

Oriolesfan1810

06-12-2006, 09:14 PM

I think we'll see one next year.

Taco De Muerte

06-12-2006, 09:20 PM

Must be lack of steroids/HGH/Amphetamines.

<Sarcasm>

geezer

06-12-2006, 09:22 PM

I think we'll see one next year.

I hope sooner.

KCFAN11

06-12-2006, 11:13 PM

One reason i see is pitchers now days lack the stamina. It is harder for them to get farther into games. Plus the hitting is getting a lot better and each team you play they have at least one guy who has a great bat.
Unless your playing the royals.

If any no-no is thrown this year it will probibly be against the royals.

Sultan_1895-1948

06-12-2006, 11:29 PM

Next time you watch a game, count the number of times you see a batter with his knees/shoulders/hands out over the plate, and the number of belt high pitches called a ball.

Over/Under is 40.

PeteF3

06-13-2006, 02:12 AM

All the stuff about the strike zone doesn't seem to take into account that the same thing was going on in the late '90s and there was no shortage of no-hitters then.

My own answer: it's a fluke thing. Period. I know that's not a very desirable answer to give, but that's how I see it. Now, if we go 3 years or so without another no-no, then maybe we have something. Until then, I say it's random chance.

Sultan_1895-1948

06-13-2006, 02:31 AM

I'm with ya on the fluke thing. That's probably the case. However things have gotten seemingly worse for pitchers as of late, and that can't help the cause. Did you see Jeter come back from his hand injury (beaning) and then throw the bat down like a little girl when another pitcher came up and in (which wasn't really up and in). Get off the plate !! Friekin' joke. They need to actually chalk a batters box between every inning, move that chalked batters box back 6 inches, and enforce the rule of where they stand.

larrystaley

08-04-2006, 10:50 AM

Well, maybe Gregg Maddux came close last night, but close does not count. Yes, last one was Randy Johnson's perfect game in May, 2004. To find a comparable stretch this long - now beyond two years since a no hitter has been thrown in either league, we literally would have to go back to the WWII baseball seasons of 1942 and 1943 with a no hitter thrown in NL in August 30, 1941 and then next one (cannot remember if it was NL or AL) but was on April 27, 1944. Before that an even longer streak without no-hitters took place in 1932 and 1933 (no hitter on August 8, 1931 then next one not till September 21, 1934).

I am really surprised the national baseball media has not picked up more on this current lack of no-hitter streak. I am sure if no hitters pitched remaining of this 2006 season (and sure appears that will be the case) we will hear a lot more about it after the season.

Thanks!

LouGehrig

08-04-2006, 11:49 AM

Next time you watch a game, count the number of times you see a batter with his knees/shoulders/hands out over the plate, and the number of belt high pitches called a ball.

Over/Under is 40.

Absolutely. You got it.

Honus Wagner Rules

08-04-2006, 11:52 AM

Why does it matter if there hasn't been any no-hitters in two years? :o

Brownie31

08-04-2006, 11:58 AM

wu-tang clan

08-04-2006, 01:20 PM

If any no-no is thrown this year it will probibly be against the royals.

hey, Johan Santana pitches against the royals tonight!

Brannu

08-04-2006, 01:45 PM

hey, Johan Santana pitches against the royals tonight!

The Royals got 5 runs and beat him the last time he faced The Royals.

I hope that we will see one this year. There's still a lot of pitching opportunities left, so ... it's possible. I really don't think it has anything to do with the strikezone, because different umpires have different strike zones, and there is also the element of magic that comes into play when someone hurles a no-hitter.

geezer

08-04-2006, 09:47 PM

Lets see all the full seasons without a no-hitter pitched since 1900:

1909
1913
1921
1927
1928
1930
1932
1933
1936
1939
1942
1943
1949
1959
1982
1985
1989
2000
2005

SamtheBravesFan

08-04-2006, 10:14 PM

*whistle* Wow.

tigers527

08-04-2006, 10:35 PM

All the stuff about the strike zone doesn't seem to take into account that the same thing was going on in the late '90s and there was no shortage of no-hitters then.

The one big difference then, from now, "scab" Umps. I am sure one of you folks that pays more attention to the whole game then I (myself Tigers fan, not much of a Baseball fan), would be able to remind me of when Sir Bud broke the Umpires union. Cause, although the strike zone was small in the 90s at least it was consistantly small and more less the same. The Umps today can be all over the place. That has an effect on the likelyhood of the no hitter.

The other thing that should be considered, scorekeepers. I am not sure if errors are more or less common then any other time? But an anecdotal point going into the 8th inning Bonderman had a 1 hitter. The 1 hit you ask? A bunt single in the 1st inning. With Inge charging, he went to field the ball, said ball had alot of spin on it, he tried to barehand it and it skipped out of his grasp. Now, maybe if he fielded it clean he gets the guy (Louis Castille), and maybe not, but it was recorded as an infield hit. Since Inge has a "CANNON" for an arm, I can only guess? Now the 8th inning was full of errors, so I can only guess. Perhaps the premium on good fielders has gone down? It seems so as Billy Bean is now looking for those?

Combine all three...inconsistant Umps, generous scorekeepers, and perhaps less then fielders. You've got the perfect storm. That said, I think a no-hitter will happen this year, and a Tiger will do it.....Jack Morris 1983 last tiger to do it.

geezer

08-04-2006, 10:47 PM

That said, I think a no-hitter will happen this year, and a Tiger will do it.....Jack Morris 1983 last tiger to do it.

Think again, it was April 7, 1984.

Astro

08-04-2006, 11:59 PM

The reason there have been no no-hitters: because they are difficult to do, and they require a lot of luck

They are like a hole in one in golf

tigers527

08-05-2006, 06:50 AM

Think again, it was April 7, 1984.

Oops....My faux paux. Still, that no hitter is old enough to goto a bar an order a beer.

BigStellyPADRES4LIFE

08-05-2006, 01:13 PM

Chris Young had two straight games where he went past the 5th inning before giving up a hit. There sill be one. I just don't know when.

Was at that game.... and right before he gave up the hit some yutz tried to impress his girlfreind and said "he has a no hitter". I was like dude if i wasnt in crutches right now youd be running for your life.

Wasp

08-05-2006, 07:56 PM

The Orioles combined for a 1 hitter tonight. The lone hit came from Bobby Abreu. So close!

redlegsfan21

08-06-2006, 10:22 AM

If a no-hitter happens, it will probably be against the Reds, I swear there have been a lot of no-hitters through 6 against the Reds this year. The Reds are a very streaky team, any team that is streaky will have a chance to throw or have thrown against no-hitter.

SHOELESSJOE3

08-06-2006, 11:46 AM

How is this one for a drought of no-hitters. I have to check this one again, it covers 9 seasons and it's hard to believe the low number of no-hitters especially in the high offense 1930's.

In the National League from 1929 to 1938 a span of nine seasons.
Carl Hubbell no hitter-----------May 8, 1929.
Paul Dean--------------------Sept.21, 1934
Johnny Vander Meer----------June 11 and June 15, 1938.

Three no-hitters over nine seasons and two of those within one week by the same pitcher in that ninth season.

SHOELESSJOE3

08-06-2006, 11:57 AM

Next time you watch a game, count the number of times you see a batter with his knees/shoulders/hands out over the plate, and the number of belt high pitches called a ball.

One of my biggest gripes over the years, the 1990s decade. This one was up front in baseball publications, daily newspapers, two specials on TV- ESPN in the early to late 1990s. One look at diagrams, the rule book strike and the strike zone the umps were calling, plain to see the umps are not going by the book. It got pushed to the back burner when steroid use took over but it has a great deal to do with the home run derby that was born in the early 1990s.

This one is a joke, those belt high and a bit higher than the belt, that were called strikes going back to the 1910s are called balls way too many times. Hitters delight no need to swing at borderline high pitches that tied up big strong guys like Mantle, Killebrew and others, todays hitters know the call will go their way.

geezer

08-10-2006, 10:00 PM

Well, for all of those who are still waiting for a no-hitter to happen, check this out:

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9595104

Time Between Modern Day No-Hitters
Length Dates
3 years, 44 days Aug. 8, 1931-Sept. 21, 1934
2 years, 260 days Aug. 21, 1926-May 8, 1929
2 years, 241 days Aug. 30, 1941-April 27, 1944
2 years, 82 days May 18, 2004-Today