Time to Panic in Atlanta!!!

[geezer]

Well, as of today, youll think that the 14 consecutive division titles streak for the Braves are over, since they lost today at Houston by 10 runs, lost 8 of the last 10, and are 4 games under .500, and worst of all, 9.5 games behind the division leading Mets, while the Mets are leading 13-1 in the 6th, and of Pedro keeps pitching this afternoon well, the Braves are going to be 10 games behind those Mets.

What do you think it will happen to the Braves on the course of the rest of the 2006 season, is it over this year or in the future as well????

[Baseball Guru]

:gt

:D

It aint ovah till its ovah! But its looking good;)

[Outta Here]

I REALLY want the Mets 2 win East this yr (& for many yrs to come ;))

GO REITSMA :eek:

[Baseball Guru]

Did you guys see the line drive today that hit Horacio?

Damn, that was scarey!:ughh

[Mattingly]

Just when I'd thought the Yanks were doing bad. Thank goodness the baseball inventors included a 2nd half, just to stave off the bridge jumpers out there. ;)

[geezer]

And the Mets are leading the D-Backs 15-2 in the top of the 9th.

[MetsFan11368]

Worst thing you guys did was to let Leo go. I still can't understand how that happened.

[SamtheBravesFan]

I bet you guys this is the final straw. They can't go with Reitsma forever. They didn't go with Kolb forever. I'm not very confident, of course. Your team losing 11 of 14 will do that to you. I don't know whether or not the Braves will win the division, but at this point, I've accepted that they most likely will not. The chemistry (in general) and talent (mostly bullpen) is not there. But it's not like this is going to be the face of the Braves next month or even next week. Something will change. And with that, the team's fortunes may change.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Worst thing you guys did was to let Leo go. I still can't understand how that happened.

Pffft. He couldn't have stopped the injuries. You know how many of our good bullpen pitchers are injured? And Leo can't work magic with just any mix of players. Just look at Baltimore's staff.

[Mattingly]

Worst thing you guys did was to let Leo go. I still can't understand how that happened.
Did he still have the horses? After Maddux became a Cub again in 2004, I figured that he may not have felt that the guys were there. This despite Tim Hudson's joining last season.

I knew he was friends with Sam Perlozzo, the new Baltimore manager, but Leo also was rumored to be Bronx-bound. From yankees.com:

Yanks get permission to talk to Mazzone
Braves pitching coach top choice to replace Stottlemyre (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051017&content_id=1253020&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

[SamtheBravesFan]

Did he still have the horses? After Maddux became a Cub again in 2004, I figured that he may not have felt that the guys were there. This despite Tim Hudson's joining last season.

I knew he was friends with Sam Perlozzo, the new Baltimore manager, but Leo also was rumored to be Bronx-bound. From yankees.com:

Yanks get permission to talk to Mazzone
Braves pitching coach top choice to replace Stottlemyre (http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051017&content_id=1253020&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy)

Yeah, I also heard that the young pitchers on the team didn't like Mazzone too much because he wanted them to pitch like Maddux and Glavine.

[Francoeurstein]

Just when I'd thought the Yanks were doing bad. Thank goodness the baseball inventors included a 2nd half, just to stave off the bridge jumpers out there. ;)


Feel your pain brother :(.

[soberdennis]

You guys were probably feeling the same way last year and look what happened. Maybe it is really over this year. But I won't count Bobby's bunch just yet.
I am also not counting out my Yanks. They've lost 4 in a row. But somehow, some way, the Yanks and Braves always find a way to win at the end.

[Mattingly]

Yeah, I also heard that the young pitchers on the team didn't like Mazzone too much because he wanted them to pitch like Maddux and Glavine.
Pitch "like" Maddux and Glavine as far as effectiveness, or as to their mechanics, routine, training schedule? Which young guys didn't like him? How did Tim Hudson take to him?
Feel your pain brother :(.
I was more saying that there's a 2nd half of the season, so all's not lost. The good thing is you can get a fresh start after the All-Star Game. Of course, prior 2006 records remain, but it's a fresh start nonetheless.

[soberdennis]

Pitch "like" Maddux and Glavine as far as effectiveness, or as to their mechanics, routine, training schedule? Which young guys didn't like him? How did Tim Hudson take to him?

I was more saying that there's a 2nd half of the season, so all's not lost. The good thing is you can get a fresh start after the All-Star Game. Of course, prior 2006 records remain, but it's a fresh start nonetheless.
That's exactly what I am saying. the season ends in October, not on June 11.

[geezer]

You dont expect much from a pitching coach that once dress with wigs while pitching for the Rock N Jcck Softball games.

[SamtheBravesFan]

That's exactly what I am saying. the season ends in October, not on June 11.

I just said that it's most likely they won't win the division, if they keep playing streaky like this. I never said that it was gauranteed they'd lose. I know it can be done, it's just something has to change. Something has to happen.

And about the young pitchers' not liking Mazzone wanting to pitch "like" Maddux and Glavine, which was probably their emotional reaction, I read that somewhere and it stuck. Please disregard it since I can't find proof.

[Mattingly]

That's exactly what I am saying. the season ends in October, not on June 11.
That's right. At least the Yanks aren't the only usual playoff-bound team to be slumping this year. I hadn't realized it was this bad with them. I don't think they've fared as well against the Mets as they've usually done, as it became almost predictable that they'd win the head-to-head matchups. Not the way the Mets are playing, so it's creativity time for Bobby Cox.

[Solair Wright]

McDowell has nothing to do with these pitching problems, some of these people get hurt too easily. Hope Reitsma gets DFA'd, as he struggled in the 6TH inning, that's right. 6th Inning!

Horacio Ramirez may be heading to the DL, to make things worse. :hp

It's not Cox's fault, it's not McDowell's fault, and it sure ain't Pendleton's fault! :p Okay, what trades you Braves fans would like to see, RELATING to both relief and starting pitchers. JS needs to get both types to help the Braves to stay afloat. Oh, a closer works too.

[Baseball Guru]

That's right. At least the Yanks aren't the only usual playoff-bound team to be slumping this year. I hadn't realized it was this bad with them. I don't think they've fared as well against the Mets as they've usually done, as it became almost predictable that they'd win the head-to-head matchups. Not the way the Mets are playing, so it's creativity time for Bobby Cox.


I get what is being said here and in a lot of posts but there is a big difference between the Yanks slumping (still 9 games over .500 and only 1 game out of 1st place) and the Braves slumping (4 games under .500 and 10 games out of 1st place)

The Braves legitamally need to worry... They are not playing well and are playing in a division in which the Mets are, lets face it it, real good and shwoing that they are deep and can afford an injury or 2...

The Yanks, although not playing well, 4-6 in their last 10, are playing in a division where there is no dominant team as of now.. As bad as the Yanks are playing, they are only 1 out and the Sox aren't tearing it up either (5-5 in their last 10) The Yanks just took 2 of 3 vs the Sox last week..

Again, I get what people are saying but i just think there is a big difference in the mindset and "where" these 2 teams are now....

[Mattingly]

I get what is being said here and in a lot of posts but there is a big difference between the Yanks slumping (still 9 games over .500 and only 1 game out of 1st place) and the Braves slumping (4 games under .500 and 10 games out of 1st place)

The Braves legitamally need to worry... They are not playing well and are playing in a division in which the Mets are, lets face it it, real good and shwoing that they are deep and can afford an injury or 2...

The Yanks, although not playing well, 4-6 in their last 10, are playing in a division where there is no dominant team as of now.. As bad as the Yanks are playing, they are only 1 out and the Sox aren't tearing it up either (5-5 in their last 10) The Yanks just took 2 of 3 vs the Sox last week..

Again, I get what people are saying but i just think there is a big difference in the mindset and "where" these 2 teams are now....
Very true. I'm starting to wonder if I've hijacked this thread, but hopefully not.

Still, you're right that the Yanks haven't got it anywhere nearly as bad as others.

As to the Braves' situation, I can't really say. Just a few musings here, nothing substantial:

Ted Turner owned this, along with the NBA's Atlanta Hawks, I believe, and then sold it to Time Warner, which then merged with AOL to become AOL Time Warner.

From braves.com's Front Office page (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=atl), he's listed as Vice Chairman to AOL Time Warner. On his AOL/TW bio page (http://www.timewarner.com/corp/management/board_directors/bio/turner_r.html), he's again listed.

I'm wondering if it's the corporate ownership thing that has teams worrying less and less about their baseball team. I think that in Detroit's Mike Illitch, before the NHL strike, the Tigers were getting far less attention than were the NHL's Detroit Red Wings, so unfortunately, the baseball teams may be getting 2nd class treatment here.

Still, the loss of Glavine and Millwood didn't surprise me as much, considering corporate economics' need to "trim the fat", but just when I'd said "They'd never get rid of Maddux", out the door he walks.

EDIT: just found this: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2480317

The Braves' loss coupled with New York's victory dropped Atlanta 10 games behind the division-leading Mets. Since the Braves' began their run of division titles in 1991, there's been only one other day on which Atlanta trailed its division leader by 10 games: Through games of July 22, 1993, the Braves were in second place in the NL West, 10 games behind the Giants.

[Mattingly]

Saving the Streak: Braves Regroup to Thwart Doomsayers (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/sports/baseball/11chass.html)
JOHN SCHUERHOLZ has a message for all Braves believers:

"Wavering is O.K. I'll accept wavering."

But nothing more. Not concession, not capitulation, not despair. The Atlanta Braves have risen before when they had to, and they will rise again. So says Schuerholz, their general manager, who knows whereof he speaks.

If the Braves have ever been in a precarious position at this stage of any season in which they were trying to extend their unparalleled run of consecutive division championships, this is it.

With their 14-year streak on the line, they entered yesterday's schedule nine games behind the first-place Mets, putting them in the worst position they have occupied 62 games into a season during their run.

[redbuck]

Just wait and watch.

August...gap closes to 4 or 5 games
September...gap closes for good

[SamtheBravesFan]

Just wait and watch.

August...gap closes to 4 or 5 games
September...gap closes for good

Dude, Either Schuerholz has to pull off a Fred McGriff-type trade, someone has to get REALLY hot and drive in tons of runs, or someone ends up stabilizing the bullpen for the gap to close. I'm hoping this does happen, of course, we'll have to see.

[Baseball Guru]

The Braves' loss coupled with New York's victory dropped Atlanta 10 games behind the division-leading Mets. Since the Braves' began their run of division titles in 1991, there's been only one other day on which Atlanta trailed its division leader by 10 games: Through games of July 22, 1993, the Braves were in second place in the NL West, 10 games behind the Giants.


Wow, what an amazing stat...

[TexCoog]

Did you guys see the line drive today that hit Horacio?

Damn, that was scarey!:ughh

Yeah, right after he hit Chris Burke in the back.

Karma?

But you're right, it was a pretty intense smack to the dome.

[Mattingly]

Wow, what an amazing stat...
I'd never thought that a team could stay 13 years between stints of being 10 games back. Interstingly, in 1993, they'd won 104 games and the division also, by one full game over the SF Giants.

I have no idea what they were doing in the NL West though. :confused:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_1993.shtml

[SamtheBravesFan]

I'd never thought that a team could stay 13 years between stints of being 10 games back. Interstingly, in 1993, they'd won 104 games and the division also, by one full game over the SF Giants.

I have no idea what they were doing in the NL West though. :confused:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_1993.shtml

I'm not sure. It wasn't about television markets, that's for certain.

[KingNothing13]

jeez..I read the title quickly, and thought it said "Time to picnic in Atlanta"

/goes to get eyes checked

[Mattingly]

I'm not sure. It wasn't about television markets, that's for certain.
Must be a sad case of someone losing their compasses. I'm wondering if their marble collection is also in the lost & found, but hasn't been retrieved yet. :D ;) :p

Anyway, still amazed that a southeastern team would be in the NL West, but a mid-American team like the Cubs or Cards would be in the NL East.

They travel to Florida for 3 games, so they should fatten up there. Then it's home to host Boston. I'm sure they'll either sweep or take 2 of 3 from the Fish, but Boston could be a tough team to play.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/schedule/ATL

[geezer]

The Braves need a miracle right now, the team look inexperienced and the bullpen is making people depressed.

[PeteF3]

Why were the Braves in the West? Goes back to the initial realignment back in 1969...

The Cubs and Cardinals both objected to their initial placement in the West, claiming that they would lose lucrative games against New York. Being two of the more influential franchises in the game, they got their wish. Fay Vincent attempted to switch them over to the West in the early '90s, and that turned out to be one of the reasons for him being ousted.

So instead they went with the southernmost team--the Braves, being a recently relocated and weaker team money-wise, had to go to the West instead. Joining them was the next-closest team, the Cincinnati Reds.

[SamtheBravesFan]

The Braves need a miracle right now, the team look inexperienced and the bullpen is making people depressed.

Inexperienced? Well, sure, it's mostly that, but I was thinking about Brian Jordan's "Good Lord, He's Bad" suckiness and Chipper not producing power numbers.

And yes, the bullpen is depressing me.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Why were the Braves in the West? Goes back to the initial realignment back in 1969...

The Cubs and Cardinals both objected to their initial placement in the West, claiming that they would lose lucrative games against New York. Being two of the more influential franchises in the game, they got their wish. Fay Vincent attempted to switch them over to the West in the early '90s, and that turned out to be one of the reasons for him being ousted.

So instead they went with the southernmost team--the Braves, being a recently relocated and weaker team money-wise, had to go to the West instead. Joining them was the next-closest team, the Cincinnati Reds.

Aha! That's where the Cubs complained about the television market thing in 1992! Apparently, something about WGN going directly up with TBS scared the crud out of them.

[west coast orange and black]

geezer: What do you think it will happen to the Braves on the course of the rest of the 2006 season, is it over this year or in the future as well?

they sign fred mcgriff, their pressroom catches fire, and they win 20 of 24 down the stretch to take it by...
ONE STINKIN' GAME!:grouchy

[SamtheBravesFan]

geezer: What do you think it will happen to the Braves on the course of the rest of the 2006 season, is it over this year or in the future as well?

they sign fred mcgriff, their pressroom catches fire, and they win 20 of 24 down the stretch to take it by...
ONE STINKIN' GAME!:grouchy

You know what's the worst thing about that joke? Fred McGriff COULD help the Braves right now! :laugh

[geezer]

And to make things worse, the Braves lost today against the last place Marlins, and the Mets just beat the Phillies 9-7, and now the Braves are 11 games back.

[CROM]

braves are notorious for slow starts but i just dont think the talent is there.. francouer hasnt matured, laroche isnt turning out to be the will clark type of hitter that they had hoped.. reitsma isnt showing the stuff that they thought he was capable of.. giles cant seem to grasp the leadoff spot and cox is reluctant to move renteria there fearing hed lose his momentum..
cox works his magic in the way of line-up changes throughout the first half of the year or so.. he shuffles the lineup around until he finds one that gels.. this year unfortunately they might dig themselves too deep of a hole to climb out of before they find out what its going to take to win on a consistent basis..

[SamtheBravesFan]

braves are notorious for slow starts but i just dont think the talent is there.. francouer hasnt matured, laroche isnt turning out to be the will clark type of hitter that they had hoped.. reitsma isnt showing the stuff that they thought he was capable of.. giles cant seem to grasp the leadoff spot and cox is reluctant to move renteria there fearing hed lose his momentum..
cox works his magic in the way of line-up changes throughout the first half of the year or so.. he shuffles the lineup around until he finds one that gels.. this year unfortunately they might dig themselves too deep of a hole to climb out of before they find out what its going to take to win on a consistent basis..

Thanks, Mr. Point-Out-The-Obvious-A-Lot! :crazy ;)

[AznInvasion]

I picked the Mets to win preseason...hesitantly. The Braves won't go down without a fight though. We definitely need to make some midseason deals but being a braves fan I doubt that will happen. The Jones Boys haven't been great this season. I expect more out of them and Brian McCann and Jeff Francoeur will have to contribute. I still believe in miracles! lol

[1935,1945,1968,1984]

I'd never thought that a team could stay 13 years between stints of being 10 games back. Interstingly, in 1993, they'd won 104 games and the division also, by one full game over the SF Giants.

I have no idea what they were doing in the NL West though. :confused:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_1993.shtml

If I am not mistaken, weren't both the Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints in the NFC West at that time too? Quick research YES THEY WERE. Maybe that explains it?

BTW- counting the Braves out is folly, I will believe it when it happens (last year it seemed so certain).

[SamtheBravesFan]

If I am not mistaken, weren't both the Atlanta Falcons and the New Orleans Saints in the NFC West at that time too? Quick research YES THEY WERE. Maybe that explains it?

BTW- counting the Braves out is folly, I will believe it when it happens (last year it seemed so certain).

Dude, I'm a Braves fan and even I'm counting them out. They're not jelling, whatever the hell they're doing for this 12 of 15 losing spell isn't working. The only question I have is: Why the hell isn't Wilson Betemit starting and Marcus Giles being the "pinch-hitter" Bobby so loves instead?

[1935,1945,1968,1984]

Dude, I'm a Braves fan and even I'm counting them out. They're not jelling, whatever the hell they're doing for this 12 of 15 losing spell isn't working. The only question I have is: Why the hell isn't Wilson Betemit starting and Marcus Giles being the "pinch-hitter" Bobby so loves instead?

If you want to piss and vinegar...knock yourslelf out.....Give us back, John Smoltz while your crying?.....I am sure we can find Doyle Alexander to give you in return....Wake up Doyle, the retirement home needs you. lol

[jpenrod]

I have a hard time to say it is time to panic only because everyone knew this day was coming. It was not possible for the Braves to continue winning thier division every year. I had hoped when they did stumble it would not be this hard, but it is not that surprising with the restrictions the current ownership puts on the Budget. The Braves are fairly young, so I do not see them going back to what they were in the late 80's, though we may have to suffer through one or two more seasons like this before the young talent takes hold.

AznInvasion, your expectations are representative of what I have come to expect from Braves fans on this board. You say you expect more from the Jones Boys, but a quick look at thier careers and one has to scratch his head and wonder what you expect. A.J. is a career .267 hitter averaging 34 HR and 100 RBI a season. Last year was an amazing season, but is quit possibly a career year for him. Despite his high power numbers last year his average was consistent with his career. A quick look at his number this season and he is on pace to hit 40 HR, 140 RBI, and .270; all are above his career average. While the project HR's arte a drop from last year, I question whether you could really expect him to hit 50 HR every year. As for Chipper, he is 34 years old, injury plagued and he is still on pace for 20 HR, 99 RBI and a .292 avg. Those number are very respectable and probably realistic given his age and health issues.

1935, 1945, 1968, 1984; I am not sure that Sam is pissing vinegar anymore than any other fan would be seeing thier team struggle after watching them play at the top of thier game for 15 years. Just because we all knew eventually the day would come does not make it easier to acept with grace. I am not ready to "count the Braves out" just yet, but the reality is they have their backs against the wall and have not displayed the talent, chemistry, or ability to get back into this thing. I believe the Braves will need a major addition to get back in this thing and I am not sure they are going to pull a Doyle Alexander type trade or that they even have the Budget freedom to go and get what they need.

[geezer]

Well, and the Braves misery continues, as they lost again to the Marlins 6-5 in 10 innings, while the Mets are leading 9-3 in the bottom of the 9th, and if they hold that lead, the Braves will be 12 games back of the Mets atr this point.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Well, and the Braves misery continues, as they lost again to the Marlins 6-5 in 10 innings, while the Mets are leading 9-3 in the bottom of the 9th, and if they hold that lead, the Braves will be 12 games back of the Mets atr this point.

Whoop dee doo. I expect nothing less than sheer failure for the Braves.

EDIT: They should rename themselves the Atlanta Murphy's Laws. Anything that can go wrong has.

[geezer]

It;s still time..... to take the white flag out of course.

[SamtheBravesFan]

It;s still time..... to take the white flag out of course.

Already have. Waving it regularly.

[geezer]

Already have. Waving it regularly.

Thats not Bobby Cox like, but he luck just ran out.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Thats not Bobby Cox like, but he luck just ran out.

Personally, I think he's reaaallllllllly relying on the lefty/righty way too much.

[geezer]

Personally, I think he's reaaallllllllly relying on the lefty/righty way too much.

And non of it has worked.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Well, I didn't think we could get any worse....never assume that. ;)

[SamtheBravesFan]

Well, I didn't think we could get any worse....never assume that. ;)

This is the worst, man. We are at the bottom, and until I see otherwise, we'll continue to BE at the bottom.

[SamtheBravesFan]

And non of it has worked.

Damn right.

[Brannu]

The Braves' loss coupled with New York's victory dropped Atlanta 10 games behind the division-leading Mets. Since the Braves' began their run of division titles in 1991, there's been only one other day on which Atlanta trailed its division leader by 10 games: Through games of July 22, 1993, the Braves were in second place in the NL West, 10 games behind the Giants.[/LIST]

The most interesting things about that stat is that it was July 22 - fairly late in the season. That should be inspiring for them.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

If being back isn't bad enough, I'm afraid the clubhouse may be "un-easy" with one another.

Just check this Link (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...615braves.html).

It's funny because you never hear about clubhouse issues from the Braves.

[jpenrod]

If being back isn't bad enough, I'm afraid the clubhouse may be "un-easy" with one another.

Just check this Link (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...615braves.html).

It's funny because you never hear about clubhouse issues from the Braves.
The link was broken when I tried it, but I am assuming you were referring to this
The Braves lost to the Marlins 6-5 Wednesday night on a play scored as a throwing error for pitcher Mike Remlinger. The lefty fielded a bunt and tried to get a runner at third in the 10th inning, but the throw sailed past Chipper Jones and the winning run scored. Remlinger apparently felt that Jones might have been able to get a glove on the ball. “Ask Chipper if it was catchable,” Remlinger snapped after the game. “I don’t know. I just threw it.” Jones wasn’t still around to comment. Whose fault was it? More importantly, is this a sign the team is beginning to unravel after its 13th loss in 16 games?

[1935,1945,1968,1984]

1935, 1945, 1968, 1984; I am not sure that Sam is pissing vinegar anymore than any other fan would be seeing thier team struggle after watching them play at the top of thier game for 15 years. Just because we all knew eventually the day would come does not make it easier to acept with grace. I am not ready to "count the Braves out" just yet, but the reality is they have their backs against the wall and have not displayed the talent, chemistry, or ability to get back into this thing. I believe the Braves will need a major addition to get back in this thing and I am not sure they are going to pull a Doyle Alexander type trade or that they even have the Budget freedom to go and get what they need.

I was among many, that counted the Braves out last year. Where'd that get us? Well, we know that story. With the tinkle and vinegar remark, it is hard to imagine a 14 year streak....especially here in Detroit. I will believe it when I see it in regards to the Braves out of the playoffs.

BTW- the way you throw around 100 RBI guys and the Jones's ? I am not sure who was the last person for the Tigers to have 100 RBI. I would hope Magglio Ordonez would get his this year. 2 pts to whom ever knows the last 100 RBI Tiger?

[geezer]

And the Marlins swept the Braves 3-2, while the Mets beat the Phillies 5-4, and now the Braves are 13 games out of first place, and with the way the Mets are playing, on an 8 game winning streak, the Braves have lost 14 of the last 17 games, and the Marlins have won 15 of the last 21.

See ya in '07 Braves Fan, its all over.

[jpenrod]

BTW- the way you throw around 100 RBI guys and the Jones's ? I am not sure who was the last person for the Tigers to have 100 RBI. I would hope Magglio Ordonez would get his this year. 2 pts to whom ever knows the last 100 RBI Tuger?

Not sure what the question is here.

BTW- I was not saying you were totally wrong about anything you said.

[geezer]

I was among many, that counted the Braves out last year. Where'd that get us? Well, we know that story. With the tinkle and vinegar remark, it is hard to imagine a 14 year streak....especially here in Detroit. I will believe it when I see it in regards to the Braves out of the playoffs.

BTW- the way you throw around 100 RBI guys and the Jones's ? I am not sure who was the last person for the Tigers to have 100 RBI. I would hope Magglio Ordonez would get his this year. 2 pts to whom ever knows the last 100 RBI Tuger?

The last Tigers to drive in 100 RBI in a season were Dean Palmer and Bobby Higginson, who both drove in 102 RBI in 2000.

[1935,1945,1968,1984]

The last Tigers to drive in 100 RBI in a season were Dean Palmer and Bobby Higginson, who both drove in 102 RBI in 2000.


See what I mean about being so Flip about 100 RBI? Anyway 2 pts you get. Although, Guillen would have had it in 2004 (93)had not he been sat for knee surgery.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

JS let's make a deal for a little confidence. At this point I don't care if it is a deal, just to make a deal. This team needs a boost.

[Go Stros]

Press please here...

http://www.polskaya.be/uploadedimages/panic.jpg http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/ARP/ARP101/panic.jpghttp://images.crawfishboxes.com/images/admin/panic_button.jpg

Serioouly, what has happened in Atlanta? Are the wheels coming off or what? The "streak" is in major jeopardy, but what about the team itself...isn't the team up for sale? Or a possible firesale?

Hey the Stros looked dead in the water the first half of the season last year with a 15-30 record and then went on a 73-45 run to end the season. Thank God for a second half!

[jpenrod]

See what I mean about being so Flip about 100 RBI? Anyway 2 pts you get. Although, Guillen would have had it in 2004 (93)had not he been sat for knee surgery.

No I still do not see what you mean about being flip about 100 RBI's. I realize 100 RBI guys are rare, that is why I said I am not sure what Azninvasion was expecting from the Jones boys. I just am unclear, are you saying I do not care about 100 rbi guys or that Braves fans in general have become so accustomed to getting 100 RBI's that they no longer realize the rarity of these guys?

[SamtheBravesFan]

No I still do not see what you mean about being flip about 100 RBI's. I realize 100 RBI guys are rare, that is why I said I am not sure what Azninvasion was expecting from the Jones boys. I just am unclear, are you saying I do not care about 100 rbi guys or that Braves fans in general have become so accustomed to getting 100 RBI's that they no longer realize the rarity of these guys?

I've never really noticed that much if Braves players drive in 100 runs.

[jpenrod]

I've never really noticed that much if Braves players drive in 100 runs.

Of course not you are a Braves Fan. ;)

since 1991 The Braves have had a player drive in 100 runs in 12 of the 15 baseball seasons (2 of the seasons they missed were shortened by the strike). They have had a player drive in 100 runs 23 times. They have had 10 different players drive in 100 runs. They have had 5 players drive in 100 runs multiple times. In 1994 they they did not have a player drive in 100 runs, but McGriff drove in 94 in a short season. in 1995 again they did not have a player drive in 100 but McGriff drove in 93 in another short season. in 2004 they did not have a player drive in 100 runs in a full season for the first time but Chipper drove in 96, Andruw drove in 91 and J.D. Drew drove in 93.

Here is the total Break down:
Player Number Years
Ron Gant 2 1991, 1993
Terry Pendleton 1 1992
David Justice 1 1993
Fredd McGriff 1 1996
Chipper Jones 8 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003
Javy Lopez 2 1998, 2003
Andres Galarraga 2 1998, 2000
Brian Jordan 1 1999
Andruw Jones 4 2000, 2001, 2003, 2005
Gary Sheffield 1 2003


By contrast in the previous 15 years the Braves had two players drive in 100 runs, Dale Murphy 5 times and Jeff Burroughs 1 time, for a total of 6 out of 15 seasons.

[SamtheBravesFan]

That's pretty good for Chipper to drive in 100 for 8 straight years. Course, he can't do that anymore because of injuries and almost total lack of hitting with Giles and/or Renteria on base.

[SamtheBravesFan]

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Serioouly, what has happened in Atlanta? Are the wheels coming off or what? The "streak" is in major jeopardy, but what about the team itself...isn't the team up for sale? Or a possible firesale?


They're up for sale, but only to a corporation who wants them for a tax break. No firesale, though. But, I'd say 14 of 17 lost says the wheels are coming off pretty fast. This is vintage 1988 suckage right here.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Bottom line is, Schuerholz has to make some deals,...and very soon.

[geezer]

Better get a couple of deals soon, very soon, cause the Braves lost again against Boston 4-1.

[DodgerBlue81]

Finally and thankfully the division streak will end, no way they'll catch the Mets, and I doubt they'll make the playoffs. :)

[jpenrod]

Finally and thankfully the division streak will end, no way they'll catch the Mets, and I doubt they'll make the playoffs. :)

Thankfully? why thankfully? I mean they have done it the right way by developing talent, they do not out bid everyone for top notch talent and they handle the organization in a very professional manner. I get a strong sense that a lot of people are gloating over thier struggles right now and it perplexes me a little bit. Why do you all dislike the Braves so much and want them to fail?

[SamtheBravesFan]

Thankfully? why thankfully? I mean they have done it the right way by developing talent, they do not out bid everyone for top notch talent and they handle the organization in a very professional manner. I get a strong sense that a lot of people are gloating over thier struggles right now and it perplexes me a little bit. Why do you all dislike the Braves so much and want them to fail?

Simple. Because they're jealous. Jealous that the Braves have had so many playoff opportunities in 15 years that it takes some franchies many more years to get that many. And now the fact is the Braves are failing immensely, and those teams that never made the playoffs as much as them are glad to see that the king of the hill is being knocked off his perch.

[geezer]

And the Braves lost again against Boston.

[RegoRooter]

Don't forget the "one and done" knock . The NL East has not represented well in the post season/WS during the Braves rule. :mad: Maybe some people would like to see another team from their division try to reach the ultimate goal.:waving


Simple. Because they're jealous. Jealous that the Braves have had so many playoff opportunities in 15 years that it takes some franchies many more years to get that many. And now the fact is the Braves are failing immensely, and those teams that never made the playoffs as much as them are glad to see that the king of the hill is being knocked off his perch.

[Baseball Guru]

The NL East has not represented well in the post season/WS during the Braves rule.


Marlins won both times they went and technically it was done during the Braves rule;)

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Smoltz vs. Schilling.
Tonight

It's a big game. If the Braves win it could turn them around. If they lose....back to the drawing board.

[jpenrod]

Don't forget the "one and done" knock . The NL East has not represented well in the post season/WS during the Braves rule. :mad:

Umm, not sure I see the logic here. The NL East has represented the NL in 8 of the 14 Worldseries played since 1991. The NL East has won 3 of the 4 WS the NL has won since 1991.

Maybe some people would like to see another team from their division try to reach the ultimate goal.:waving

How have the Braves prevented other teams from representing the NL East in the post season exactly, I mean other than winning the division? If the teams are not good enough to win the division (or wildcard) in those 14 seasons what makes you think they would have done better had the Braves done worse? (that is basically what you are saying).

[W_Marone]

Not only is it time to panic down there in Atlanta, it's time to panic here in Philly aswell...we suck.

[DodgerBlue81]

Thankfully? why thankfully? I mean they have done it the right way by developing talent, they do not out bid everyone for top notch talent and they handle the organization in a very professional manner. I get a strong sense that a lot of people are gloating over thier struggles right now and it perplexes me a little bit. Why do you all dislike the Braves so much and want them to fail?

Because it's sickening to have the same team win a division every damn year, and it was a waste of a playoff spot because they never won except for 1995, and since 2000 it's been very easy to correctly predict that the Braves wouldn't even get to the World Series. I hate the Yankees and I cheered for the Braves a lot in 96 and 99, but they were a major disappointment both times.

[jpenrod]

Because it's sickening to have the same team win a division every damn year and it was a waste of a playoff spot because they never won except for 1995. I hate the Yankees and I cheered for the Braves a lot in 96 and 99 and they were a major disappointment both times.

Waste of a playoff spot? you would think if there was a better team to fill that spot they would have won the division at least once.

Since there have been a couple of posters to insinuate that the Braves have prevented better teams from making a playoff run, you could tell me what team you think deserved to be in the playoffs in what years that the Braves prevented. Just curious since the Braves have been such a waste of a playoff spot and all.

See I can understand being happy that another team is doing well and may win the division,that I get; but the attitude seems to be more of a joy that the Braves are doing so poorly and that is what I do not get.

[geezer]

And if the Braves hang on, they will still be 13 games out of first.

[Go Stros]

Watching the Braves - Red Sox game on ESPN. Another blown lead/save.

Are the Sox fans taking over Turner Field? :laugh

[SamtheBravesFan]

Watching the Braves - Red Sox game on ESPN. Another blown lead/save.

Are the Sox fans taking over Turner Field? :laugh

They did, and the Sox swept. I'm not the least bit surprised.

[geezer]

14 games back of the red hot Mets, ouch!!!

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

I honestly can't believe this.

[Brannu]

I honestly can't believe this.

I have to admit - I thought that they had a chance of recuperating this dismal season, but now .... they are dead last. I still don't think that The Mets will be this good all season long, but with what is going on in Atlanta, it may not matter much. Bobby Cox looked like he aged another 10 years tonight in the dugout ... I really felt bad for him. Every run has to come to an end at some point .... MAYBE this is it. Still, we have seen greater turn arounds and 9 games under .500 is far from a dead season - as bad as it is. But, they may need some of The Rockies religious practices to revive this bunch. :)

But, you know what ... Andruw is still smiling. :)

Oh, but, isn't interesting that The Marlins are just as hot as The Mets. :) Gosh. Funny.

[geezer]

I have to admit - I thought that they had a chance of recuperating this dismal season, but now .... they are dead last. I still don't think that The Mets will be this good all season long, but with what is going on in Atlanta, it may not matter much. Bobby Cox looked like he aged another 10 years tonight in the dugout ... I really felt bad for him. Every run has to come to an end at some point .... MAYBE this is it. Still, we have seen greater turn arounds and 9 games under .500 is far from a dead season - as bad as it is. But, they may need some of The Rockies religious practices to revive this bunch. :)


But, you know what ... Andruw is still smiling. :)

Oh, but, isn't interesting that The Marlins are just as hot as The Mets. :) Gosh. Funny.

The fish have won 8 straight, watch out, they can finish with a better record than the Braves.

[brookspw]

90% of their problem is relief pitching. Smoltz has had 5 blown wins already. While not as dominating as usual, the starting pitching is above average. If they had a strong, even adequate, bullpen -- I think they'd be within 2-3 games of NY.

[SamtheBravesFan]

90% of their problem is relief pitching. Smoltz has had 5 blown wins already. While not as dominating as usual, the starting pitching is above average. If they had a strong, even adequate, bullpen -- I think they'd be within 2-3 games of NY.

Sure, but still, that's only a theory.

[geezer]

Right now, for me the Braves are done.

[1935,1945,1968,1984]

It has been rumored, that a Smoltz for Joel Zumaya deal might happen. Can anyone see the snake eating its own tail on this one? Or is it just me?

I mean, John Smoltz traded from the Tigers organization, for an aging starter. As an aging starter, John Smoltz comes back for a "playoff" push? The difference is Zumaya is currently helping the Tigers win, and Smoltz is a little (j/k) better then Doyle.

Don't get me wrong I am one of the few who actually would do that trade again. Alexander took the Tigers to the playoffs that year. And how could you possibly know that Smoltz would be what he has become? I mean why couldn't Smoltz have become the next CJ Nitkowski, Justin Thompson, or Seth Greisinger? Besides, with the Tigers Farm system of those days, maybe Smoltz would not have been who he became? I doubt that but the Tigers farm system stunk back then?

[SamtheBravesFan]

It has been rumored, that a Smoltz for Joel Zumaya deal might happen. Can anyone see the snake eating its own tail on this one? Or is it just me?

I mean, John Smoltz traded from the Tigers organization, for an aging starter. As an aging starter, John Smoltz comes back for a "playoff" push? The difference is Zumaya is currently helping the Tigers win, and Smoltz is a little (j/k) better then Doyle.

Don't get me wrong I am one of the few who actually would do that trade again. Alexander took the Tigers to the playoffs that year. And how could you possibly know that Smoltz would be what he has become? I mean why couldn't Smoltz have become the next CJ Nitkowski, Justin Thompson, or Seth Greisinger? Besides, with the Tigers Farm system of those days, maybe Smoltz would not have been who he became? I doubt that but the Tigers farm system stunk back then?

Bulls***. That's all.

[geezer]

Braves lost today, and the Mets and Marlins won, now the Braves are 14.5 games back of the Mets, dead last in the division.

[Brannu]

It has been rumored, that a Smoltz for Joel Zumaya deal might happen. Can anyone see the snake eating its own tail on this one? Or is it just me?

I mean, John Smoltz traded from the Tigers organization, for an aging starter. As an aging starter, John Smoltz comes back for a "playoff" push? The difference is Zumaya is currently helping the Tigers win, and Smoltz is a little (j/k) better then Doyle.

Don't get me wrong I am one of the few who actually would do that trade again. Alexander took the Tigers to the playoffs that year. And how could you possibly know that Smoltz would be what he has become? I mean why couldn't Smoltz have become the next CJ Nitkowski, Justin Thompson, or Seth Greisinger? Besides, with the Tigers Farm system of those days, maybe Smoltz would not have been who he became? I doubt that but the Tigers farm system stunk back then?

After The Cardinals horrible loss today, I'm thinking Smoltz for Mulder. Mulder for ... somebody. 6.02 era - nothing else to say. However, Atlanta might be a good place for him. He could be back with his good buddy Tim Hudson and maybe they could rub off on each other - go back to their Oakland days.