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Capt2712
06-11-2006, 11:20 AM
ok I am a high schooler and im looking for a new bat.. I already decided I am going to get a stealth since it is the bat I like and I am used to hitting with
Im wondering if I should get a
Easton Stealth Bst6 - Regular flex
or
Easton Stealth Bst7 - Stiff flex
Both are the same price.. and the cheapest price I found was - $279.95
Can anyone help me if they have used this bat.. or if they know a place where I can get it for a cheaper price(not eBay)
thanks
fungo22
06-11-2006, 01:12 PM
the cheapest price I found was - $279.95
You've got to be kidding. I recommend the EASTON Black Magic. Same length. Same Weight. Same mass. Same batspeed. Different price. Much different. Here, I've found you one for less than $70: Easton Black Magic (http://www.alssports.com/ecomminc/prodpgs/1/EASTON_SENIOR_BLACK_MAGIC_9661.asp) After shipping, I saved you $200. Let us know how many dingers you hit with it. Maybe you'll start a trend.
MrUniverse09
06-12-2006, 11:41 AM
You've got to be kidding. I recommend the EASTON Black Magic. Same length. Same Weight. Same mass. Same batspeed. Different price. Much different. Here, I've found you one for less than $70: Easton Black Magic (http://www.alssports.com/ecomminc/prodpgs/1/EASTON_SENIOR_BLACK_MAGIC_9661.asp) After shipping, I saved you $200. Let us know how many dingers you hit with it. Maybe you'll start a trend.
Not all metals are created equal.
wogdoggy
06-12-2006, 11:52 AM
Not all metals are created equal.
but pretty darn close,,save the money,put in in your college fund
The Black Magic had it's day, when it was first introduced it about put us out of the aluminum bat business:(
wogdoggy
06-12-2006, 12:01 PM
The Black Magic had it's day, when it was first introduced it about put us out of the aluminum bat business:(
not saying its tommorow's technology,,but the extra money will pay off in spades when college time comes.
MrUniverse09
06-12-2006, 01:17 PM
not saying its tommorow's technology,,but the extra money will pay off in spades when college time comes.
Unless he hits better with the more expensive bat and then gets to go to college for free! ;)
wogdoggy
06-12-2006, 01:18 PM
Unless he hits better with the more expensive bat and then gets to go to college for free! ;)
I'll take the odds with the extra money in the bank..lol..but GOOD POINT!:)
hellborn
06-12-2006, 02:21 PM
not saying its tommorow's technology,,but the extra money will pay off in spades when college time comes.
How about picking up a nicer old bat at Play It Again for less $$$? Black Magic is just such a club. Could probably get something like an Easton BX1 that is still usable and would be much more lively than the BM.
Probably would avoid any of these fancy multiwall or multpiece bats when used, assume that they would wear out quickly like the softball versions.
chesspirate
06-12-2006, 06:32 PM
I'm gonna pitch for my bat, the Dimarini Diablo, new one on justbats.com for $99. My buddy's been swinging a stealth most of the year, and used mine last game and felt mine had more pop.
fungo22
06-12-2006, 07:55 PM
Not all metals are created equal. OK. Is there more to your point than that, or do you think it will survive better if you leave it sagely vague?
Unless he hits better with the more expensive bat and then gets to go to college for free! Gee, I never thought of that. What about the more expensive bat would empower him to hit better?
BTW: It was pointed out to me that the link I provided was to a Black Magic -7. My mistake. I thought it was a -3. Whatever. It is available in a -3.
fungo22
06-12-2006, 08:04 PM
The Black Magic had it's day, when it was first introduced it about put us out of the aluminum bat business:( Who is the "us" in the bat business that you represent?
"Us" would be Louisville Slugger.
I am also talking about the mid to late 1980's.
fungo22
06-12-2006, 08:36 PM
"Us" would be Louisville Slugger.
Then shame on you. :) My son just had to have an Omaha Air. The other has the plain Omaha. Anything over $100, they paid themselves.
But as long as you're here, I have a couple questions that have been bothering me for quite a while. I was a hitting coach at an NCAA school back in the late 1990's when the bat standards were being changed. One year we were using -5 and the next year -3. I followed the issues pretty closely.
Are the batted ball exit velocity standards for aluminum bats still in effect for college and HS bats?
Does Louisville Slugger adhere to these standards in their manufacture of HS and college baseball bats?
Wasn't the intent of the decision to make the performance of aluminum bats (in terms of batted-ball exit velocity) as close as possible to wood bats?
Two follow-up questions pending answers to these.
Thanx.
cubs23
06-12-2006, 09:47 PM
Go with the stiff flex. i coach hs in illinois and my team had both. The stiff flex produced better because it had a better recoil when hitting the ball then the regular flex. The extra bend in the regular flex causes the ball to push the bat back farther and not keep the ball going foward. Just my opinion. I suggest the demirini voodoo as an option, it was the most solid, but these dent much easier then the omaha or the stealth. We dented 3 this season and it is not because we hit the ball too hard.
In response to your questions fungo22, yes and yes. The national federation tests each bat style and if they pass the regs. they are stamped and allowed to be on the market. The umpires are suppose to check each teams bats before each game and any bat that does not have that stamp is thrown out and deemed an illegal bat.
In response to your questions fungo22, yes and yes. The national federation tests each bat style and if they pass the regs. they are stamped and allowed to be on the market. The umpires are suppose to check each teams bats before each game and any bat that does not have that stamp is thrown out and deemed an illegal bat.
cubs23 nailed it.
Like he said, all bats have to meet these standards. I don't keep up with the "metal bats" too much since I run wood bat production. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.
fungo22
06-12-2006, 10:51 PM
cubs23 nailed it.
Like he said, all bats have to meet these standards. I don't keep up with the "metal bats" too much since I run wood bat production. I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. So if one defines "pop" as potential batted-ball exit velocity - and there is no other meaningful definition that I can imagine - then all bats have a limited amount of "pop," and the idea of one high-tech bat having more "pop" than say ... well, a wooden bat (for example) ... is pretty much a myth? Or am I mistaken?
chesspirate
06-12-2006, 10:59 PM
Where in regards to sweet spot hits you may be correct Fungo (although i think there may be a difference based on my own playing/testing) the big difference is going to come on off center hits.
The vari-wall technology is supposed to help this out, and i think the flex handles are designed for some benefit.
Another thing to think about is the weighting of the bat, the distribution of that weight being the key. I've swung a number of 34inch 31ounce bats, i've swung some that feel okay, some that feel great and then some in my definition are just silly with the barrell weighing substantially less than the handle. The idea there is to make the bat easier to swing, the weight differential is still minus3 from the length but it is easier if that weight is in the handle to swing quicker.
So, to some up. You may be right on the money with the bats being limited to amount of pop allowed basically, but it's the little ways around that, the other factors that make bats "better" that the high-end bats are trying to achieve.
cubs23
06-12-2006, 11:07 PM
Somewhat mistaken. Now a days its not only the POP that you talk about but the distance with which the ball travels due to the make-up of the bat. That is either the construction or the type of metal make-up. The newest bats have a high percentage of titanium/aluminum ratio to that of even last years bat. Newer bats are built in two parts and put together for extra strength one piece partially inside the other.
So basically the manufactures maybe making bats to keep down the speed of the ball from coming off the bat as the NF requires,(which is their only measurment for legalizing a bat) but is still producing a bat that out preforms a wooden bat by distance, weight, and durability. Also the colors and the names help the marketing. Would you rather swing a Stealth or just an ash bat?