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ESPNFan
06-07-2006, 05:48 PM
Ok I know there is a Grimsley to name Names Thread here but thats not my focus.

My Focus is on MLB and how they are going to deal with a substance that Grimsley described as being used by "Boatloads" of people.

Here is The Affidavit on the Grimsley Case.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0607061grimsley1.html

The evidence in there is telling as to the use of HGH in MLB.
When you have a substance that can't be detected and helps you play better then people are going to use it.

Here is a Chad Curtis Quote from a Tom Verducci article from a few years back...
Says Chad Curtis, an outfielder who retired last year after 10 seasons with six clubs, including three (1997 to '99) with the Yankees, "When I was in New York, a player there told me that hGH was the next big thing, that that's the road the game's heading down next. Now you see guys whose facial features, jawbones and cheekbones change after they're 30. Do they think that happens naturally? You go, 'What happened to that guy?' Then you'll hear him say he worked out over the winter and put on 15 pounds of muscle. I'm sorry, working out is not going to change your facial features."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/flashbacks/2002/year_in_review/steroids/

What do you think the odds are that Jason Grimsley found out about HGH during his time on that same team?

I just saw Buster Onley on ESPN News say that WADA says it has a HGH test but MLB still asserts that no such test exists.... Why would MLB not only not want a test for HGH but Deny that a test even exists?!?
It truly makes me wonder how bad the leadership is in the commissioners office. Are they so willing to protect themselves from the possible bad P.R. of positive tests and allow clean players to play under the current cloud of all encompassing suspicion?

Buster also said that what MLB could and I think Should do is take urine and Blood from every player now. Tell them "were going to take this now and test it when we have a reliable test available and there will be penalties for those who test positive"(I'm paraphrasing but thats the gist of it).

If something is banned then there should be samples taken from players. And if substances are banned then loopholes that allow the use of these substances need to be closed if MLB wants to truly do all it can to curb Anabolic cheating.

Astro
06-07-2006, 06:22 PM
Did you do research on the HGH test WADA said they had? Is it approved by the CDC, is the accuracy rate high, how much is a test and how long do the results take to get back...

Before you bash the commish's office tell me those things

ESPNFan
06-07-2006, 07:26 PM
Did you do research on the HGH test WADA said they had? Is it approved by the CDC, is the accuracy rate high, how much is a test and how long do the results take to get back...

Before you bash the commish's office tell me those things

Its not easy to get that info because WADA is keeping tight lipped on the test details for obvious reasons.
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug132004/oly1.asp

WADA claimed it was used in Sydney but no positive tests were found. It was also suppodsed to be used at Turin. Onley also came on ESPN news again and added that the test can't be mass produced for what ever reason. This may be due to WADA keeping the test to themselves and not wanting to distribute the information on the test to a phamaceudical company who could end up leaking the science behind it and allow for a way to beat it.

Baseball to say that there is no good HGH test to use after WADA used one at the Olympics is simply blatantly ignoring progress.

WADA also had problems with the way MLB ran the testing for the WBC and their lax testing has been a bone of contention about getting baseball back into the olympics.

Could MLB's P.R. problems with WADA be the main sticking point for not admitting a test does exsist or is it just not willing to subject its players to the added scrutiny?

Well witht he help of Jason Grimsley I think MLB now has little choice.