College World Series

[Brian McKenna]

great action in the world series tournament - enjoy every minute but i think the sport is too pitcher dominate - makes it boring to a point as in there is nearly no offensive strategy other than to swat and hit

anyway, i have one question that keeps bugging me - why do the batters keep faking bunt when everyone in the world knows it is not a bunting situation and that there is really no intention to bunt - to me the hitters are at such a disadvantage anyway why would they keep their bats so busy to the point that they are at a greater disadvantage - i.e. they fake bunt, have to draw the bat back and have to make a good swing at the ball, make contact and drive it - i just think the batters are depressing their % of success - what am i missing?

[JeepingBaseball]

it would seem to me since it's such a pitcher dominated game... to throw the pitcher off to change the pitch, to bring the field in closer to attempting getting a single on a long fly ball.

Problem with that is it's now so common and expected, the pitches dont change and the field doesnt move. I saw a game once a few years ago where every batter bunted.

And I agree... it's been rather boring for several years now.

[jpenrod]

great action in the world series tournament - enjoy every minute but i think the sport is too pitcher dominate - makes it boring to a point as in there is nearly no offensive strategy other than to swat and hit

anyway, i have one question that keeps bugging me - why do the batters keep faking bunt when everyone in the world knows it is not a bunting situation and that there is really no intention to bunt - to me the hitters are at such a disadvantage anyway why would they keep their bats so busy to the point that they are at a greater disadvantage - i.e. they fake bunt, have to draw the bat back and have to make a good swing at the ball, make contact and drive it - i just think the batters are depressing their % of success - what am i missing?

Georgia Tech actually won a game in the ACC tournament with this play. it was extra innings against Clemson and the hitter showed bunt twice (I think actually tried laying down a bunt once) on the third attempt the 1B and 3B charge, the hitter pulls it back and lines on over the 3Bman head. Tech wins and forces asecond game. There is strategy involved in the game, but much like lower level minor leagueball theoverall talent is lower resulting ina morw swinghard and put th ball inplay mentality. Hey when 6 of your 8 starters are hitting well over .300 it is hard to argue with that mindset. Just my own opinion from haveing watched college ball for nearly 10 years.

[Jake83]

I remember in the 90's the offenses dominated College Baseball The LSU,Miami and USC squads had awesome lineups The 97 or 98 Title Game finished with a 17-14 score with SC beating Arizona St. But since about 2002 with Texas, Rice and Cal St Fullerton the dominated programs now pitching is key. All three programs have had unbelievable college pitchers and still have them this year.

[Sluggerrr]

Who are you guys pulling for? I've always been a Nebraska fan, watched their game on webcast today and they just got completely shutdown by Manhattan's Chris Cody, ridiculous. I really like that about regional play though, how a 4-seed with a solid pitcher can knock off a 1-seed in the first round, I just don't know why it had to be my Huskers. :( On the plus side, Kansas and Wichita State both won their first round games. How about you guys?

[Sluggerrr]

Georgia Tech actually won a game in the ACC tournament with this play. it was extra innings against Clemson and the hitter showed bunt twice (I think actually tried laying down a bunt once)

I saw a similar situation at a Kansas State/Chicago State (didn't even know that was a college, let alone had a baseball team beforehand). Runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs, batter shows bunt, CSU did the wheel play with third charging and shortstop going to third, but the pitcher threw two balls. So on the next pitch he squares around again, but when the shortstop heads to third he pulls back and hits a groundball right where he was standing and scored a run. Heads up play imo.

[Jake83]

Who are you guys pulling for? I've always been a Nebraska fan, watched their game on webcast today and they just got completely shutdown by Manhattan's Chris Cody, ridiculous. I really like that about regional play though, how a 4-seed with a solid pitcher can knock off a 1-seed in the first round, I just don't know why it had to be my Huskers. :( On the plus side, Kansas and Wichita State both won their first round games. How about you guys?

1. Cal Golden Bears
2. Any Pac 10 Team expect for Stanfurd or U$C
3. Any Southern California school
4. Texas -I love Garrido as a coach he is a living legend in the game

[Brian McKenna]

. Hey when 6 of your 8 starters are hitting well over .300 it is hard to argue with that mindset. .

yeah, i noticed that but have seen relatively few hits - i guess it's harder to get them against the top pitchers in the tournament

[Brian McKenna]

saw more hitting action today - guess i was watching cat osterman too much - she doesn't give up much

[Sluggerrr]

I just realized you guys were talking about the WCWS, I didn't even notice this was the women's baseball/softball forum, I just saw College World Series as the title. :) My bad. ;)

[Jake83]

I made the same mistake................

Interesting fact every player who has played all 4 years at UCLA has won at least one Softball College World Series

Bigger dynasty than Wooden's basketball teams

[jpenrod]

Who are you guys pulling for? I've always been a Nebraska fan, watched their game on webcast today and they just got completely shutdown by Manhattan's Chris Cody, ridiculous. I really like that about regional play though, how a 4-seed with a solid pitcher can knock off a 1-seed in the first round, I just don't know why it had to be my Huskers. :( On the plus side, Kansas and Wichita State both won their first round games. How about you guys?

The Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech!

[sschirmer]

The Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech!


You gotta love the Jackets! 5-0 over C of C today. One more win, and it's off to Omaha!

[Where is Chone Figgins]

Cal ST Fullerton 2006 Champions RIGHT THAT DOWN

[Brian McKenna]

this is a women's baseball forum - female

[thecoach]

this is a women's baseball forum - female

What do you mean by the above comment?:eek:

[Captain Cold Nose]

What do you mean by the above comment?:eek:
This is the forum to discuss women's baseball. I thought the forum title would have made that clear. Discussion of the men's CWS, while an honest mistake and proof we need a forum for college/amateur baseball, is unintentionally hijacking the forum.

[tonypug]

Watching the Womans College World Series, points out how difficult it would be for some of the players to trasition to baseball. The mechanics and strategy are quite different from baseball. Most of the hitters try to slap the ball rather then sitting back and swinging, i think this would make it tough to hit a baseball.

[Francoeurstein]

Let's hear it for Georgia and Tech!!!!

[Captain Cold Nose]

Let's hear it for Georgia and Tech!!!!
See post #15.

[NotAboutEgo]

Hey Tonypug, you obviously don't know much, if anything at all, about female baseball players. In fact, so many of us have switched (and very happily so) from softball to baseball, and we have NO problems what-so-ever with making the transition. Just because the strategy of women's softball is so different from the strategy of women's baseball or any baseball for that matter, it doesn't mean women don't have the necessary skills to play baseball effectively (very narrow-minded, ignorant thinking). Maybe you should check out a game or two of women's hardball... in a league or even at international and national events. I have been playing hardball (I am a female) since 1999, and I have seen so much talent out there, it's unbelievable. The BEST baseball game EVER that I have seen, including Major League games, was in the 2003 AAU Women's Baseball National Championship in Ft. Myers, Florida. The game was won in extra innnings by a score of 1-0, and it was won on a mental error by the losing team's centerfielder. This game was flawless... void of ANY physical errors, a tough pitching duel, a few hits, and flat out hard play. I have never, ever seen such a good game since... and I have been to hundreds of baseball games, both pro and amateur. So, when it comes down to talking about skills and who can play the game, you should check out some women's games, because I can honestly say I have seen just as talented baseball players there as anywhere else.

Best baseball game I have ever seen... hands down.

Oh, I, along with other women, do play baseball with guys, and many of us can flat out play better and have more talent than the majority of them. When you look at their mechanics and fundamentals, it's pretty dismal! Are they stronger? Of course. But, physical strength doesn't equate to excellent skills, talent, mentality, motivation, hand-eye coordination, general coordination, etc.

What do female baseball players say? "Bring it on!"

[NotAboutEgo]

Making a comment about fastpitch softball as compared to baseball, I was scouting some women's college softball teams to find women players for my hardball team (www.detroitdanger.com), and I couldn't believe how foreign the game of softball is to me!!! Yes, the strategy is COMPLETELY different than the strategy of baseball, and that along with other things is what makes softball such a different game than baseball. The whole "everyone's bunting" thing just doesn't make sense to me. When you look at pro women's softball batting averages, they are in the .200's (the best averages). WOW!!!! It is entirely a pitcher-dominated game. Of course, the field is so small and the ball is not effective at traveling further distances, so most anyone would have a harder time of getting a hit.

I saw a post on a web site about tryouts for the women's national softball team and their requirements for certain fundamentals. I was surprised to see that the minimum pitching speed they are looking for is 63! Jeez, that is very low considering average and good female baseball players throw in the 60's, the better ones throw in the 70's, and the best can even get close to 80 mph! Also, theya re requiring that catchers be able to throw from home to 2nd in 2.0 seconds. The best female catchers in the U.S. can do that, on a baseball field (MUCH larger than softball fields), in less than 1 second more. I was clocked before on a number of throws (I was a catcher), and I could do it in 2.9 seconds, and that's hitting it on the head. One of my teammates did it in 2.8 seconds. I know there are female baseball catchers out there who can do better than that (I played with one who has an amazing arm).

The best of the best female softball pitchers should be able to throw a LOT harder, from 45 feet much less, than 63 mph. We had girls in my high school who easily threw in the 70's.

[tonypug]

Hey Tonypug, you obviously don't know much, if anything at all, about female baseball players. In fact, so many of us have switched (and very happily so) from softball to baseball, and we have NO problems what-so-ever with making the transition. Just because the strategy of women's softball is so different from the strategy of women's baseball or any baseball for that matter, it doesn't mean women don't have the necessary skills to play baseball effectively (very narrow-minded, ignorant thinking). Maybe you should check out a game or two of women's hardball... in a league or even at international and national events. I have been playing hardball (I am a female) since 1999, and I have seen so much talent out there, it's unbelievable. The BEST baseball game EVER that I have seen, including Major League games, was in the 2003 AAU Women's Baseball National Championship in Ft. Myers, Florida. The game was won in extra innnings by a score of 1-0, and it was won on a mental error by the losing team's centerfielder. This game was flawless... void of ANY physical errors, a tough pitching duel, a few hits, and flat out hard play. I have never, ever seen such a good game since... and I have been to hundreds of baseball games, both pro and amateur. So, when it comes down to talking about skills and who can play the game, you should check out some women's games, because I can honestly say I have seen just as talented baseball players there as anywhere else.

Best baseball game I have ever seen... hands down.

Oh, I, along with other women, do play baseball with guys, and many of us can flat out play better and have more talent than the majority of them. When you look at their mechanics and fundamentals, it's pretty dismal! Are they stronger? Of course. But, physical strength doesn't equate to excellent skills, talent, mentality, motivation, hand-eye coordination, general coordination, etc.

What do female baseball players say? "Bring it on!"
You are right about me not seeing many female baseball players, because I haven't been able to find games to watch. I umpire High School baseba.. and have seen a couple of girls, pitchers who most definitly could play and compete evenly with the boys. Both of these youn ladies were baseball only and never played softball. I have been one of the biggest proponents on this site for professional womens baseball and would love to see it happen. By the way I tried going to your site, and all I was able to get was a screen with a smoking baseball. I would like to hear more from you. Trust me I'm in your corner.

[tonypug]

Making a comment about fastpitch softball as compared to baseball, I was scouting some women's college softball teams to find women players for my hardball team (www.detroitdanger.com), and I couldn't believe how foreign the game of softball is to me!!! Yes, the strategy is COMPLETELY different than the strategy of baseball, and that along with other things is what makes softball such a different game than baseball. The whole "everyone's bunting" thing just doesn't make sense to me. When you look at pro women's softball batting averages, they are in the .200's (the best averages). WOW!!!! It is entirely a pitcher-dominated game. Of course, the field is so small and the ball is not effective at traveling further distances, so most anyone would have a harder time of getting a hit.

I saw a post on a web site about tryouts for the women's national softball team and their requirements for certain fundamentals. I was surprised to see that the minimum pitching speed they are looking for is 63! Jeez, that is very low considering average and good female baseball players throw in the 60's, the better ones throw in the 70's, and the best can even get close to 80 mph! Also, theya re requiring that catchers be able to throw from home to 2nd in 2.0 seconds. The best female catchers in the U.S. can do that, on a baseball field (MUCH larger than softball fields), in less than 1 second more. I was clocked before on a number of throws (I was a catcher), and I could do it in 2.9 seconds, and that's hitting it on the head. One of my teammates did it in 2.8 seconds. I know there are female baseball catchers out there who can do better than that (I played with one who has an amazing arm).

The best of the best female softball pitchers should be able to throw a LOT harder, from 45 feet much less, than 63 mph. We had girls in my high school who easily threw in the 70's.
I believe the site you saw might have been for the USA Womens National Baseball team. I saw something similar and it was for baseball. I just went on their site, they are having their tryouts I believe this weekend. They said they are looking for hitters who can handle 70MPH pitches which is consistant with what you said female pitchers throw.

[NotAboutEgo]

Hey TonyPug, thanks for supporting women's hardball. Once you get to the danger home page, click on the baseball. That will take you into the site. What area of the country do you live in? Have you considered starting a women's hardball team in your area, if there isn't one? I can help with advice if anyone is interested. I started the Danger out of a dream of mine to play baseball. It can work if you are commited to working hard and for a long time tog et it going.

[NotAboutEgo]

About the USA team, the criteria was posted on a women's baseball team site, but it was listed under criteria for the national women's softball team. Perhaps they posted it wrongly.