Are posts being deleted?

[Hammerin Hank]

I couldn't help but notice that my post count is down to 9100. Four months ago it was over 9600, one week ago it was over 9400, and just yesterday it was nearly 9300. Five hundred posts is a lot of work that just disappeared without a trace.

[Ontarioguy]

Yes posts are being deleted.

Sean (webmaster) has authorized Mods to delete ancient posts. The reason for this is because we are starting to run out of room. BF is getting bigger and bigger. We need to make more space. Purchasing all this space costs money. BF isn't bursting at the seams with Ca$h.

So that's why your post count is declining.

Does that mean everyone post count will decline?
Most likely. I know mine has and so has yours.

[Captain Cold Nose]

So does that mean BBF is going down? :ughh
Not at all, we're just freeing up space. Sites can only be so big while still running at a good speed.
We're trimming the fat, as well as the stale.

:laugh

Shouldn't you delete members who have registered but have no posts or less than 10 and have visited one time in the last 5 years?
That wouldn't solve the space issue.
We can delete members who post a lot but only one or two sentences at a time that add little to the actual discussion. I'm all for that.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

That wouldn't solve the space issue.
We can delete members who post a lot but only one or two sentences at a time that add little to the actual discussion. I'm all for that.
I mean, members such as the first ones on the list, http://baseball-fever.com/memberlist.php.

Most of them have no posts.
Half of the members on BBF have very little posts and do not visit the site often.

[SoxSon]

Half of the members on BBF have very little posts and do not visit the site often.

That's exactly why it wouldn't help on space to delete them.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

--Please, what is more important to you - to have the site run more better or the "glory" of running up your post count. Its quality not quanity that makes a good member. I assume a good many of my old posts were trimmed, but I hadn't even noticed this was going on.
-- If posts/threads were buried 50 pages deep in a forum there isn't much chance anybody was going to read them again anyway. IMO the first thread to go should have been the one trumpeting high post counts - with members then making pointless ones to run up their "score".
I never said that!
I do value my posts because I take the time to write them, I resent them getting deleted, but that's that, I have no say in this or what the moderators and Seasn decide.

Do not put words in my mouth. (is this directed to me?)

[Blackout]

maybe he considers his post count the way Barry Bonds considers 715 making him better than Babe Ruth

[digglahhh]

My only concern is quality posts being deleted. I know it takes more effort to go thread by thread than to just choose a date and delete posts that were made before it (though maybe that's not what is being done, that's just how I'm interpretting what's been said). But there are so many useless threads (I know, who am I to judge, blah, blah, blah) that it seems like it would be a shame to delete "ancient" quality posts and retain filler that happens to be moe current.

[The Commissioner]

Hank, as pointed out earlier, unfortunately a lot of posts have to be deleted from time to time in order to free up space. It has always been thus. In total, I know that I have personally posted far in excess of 20,000 times. The few times that this site has gone through major renovations, my posts have disappeared into the void of a cyberspace blackhole never to be seen again. So it goes. Had I been concerned with my post counts or been too overly precious about my words I may have gotten upset. However, the key to not letting that get to you is realizing that the cyberspace world is completely based on impermanence. We have to go into an endeavor such as an online forum knowing that while our words may be permanent enough to come back to haunt us, they will never stand long enough to immortalize us. I would suggest that with any posts that you feel attached to, or even think that you may wish to revisit later on, that you save them and place them on your individual computer in a separate file. That will at least ensure that no one else can ever erase your words.

[Hammerin Hank]

IMO the first thread to go should have been the one trumpeting high post counts - with members then making pointless ones to run up their "score".

You mean the Bitter Rivals Thread? I've been petitioning for the end of that one for years.

[The Dude]

I don't think I"m the only one, but when I make a precious post (such as a large arguement for a player), I immedeatley save it to my desktop.

[Mattingly]

You mean the Bitter Rivals Thread? I've been petitioning for the end of that one for years.
Have you ever spoken to Ken Fougere about this?

That thread is like a running classic. It's about the opinions of many of the rivalry in sports. Even if it's not full-blown player comparisons or any kinds of analysis, it's fun. People like enjoying themselves there. I think that if you take that thread away, then things become a bit less fun for the thread's participants, myself included, who consider it an outlet. Kind of a thread about baseball, but sometimes not directly. I say to let it stay. :)

[Hammerin Hank]

Have you ever spoken to Ken Fougere about this?

That thread is like a running classic. It's about the opinions of many of the rivalry in sports. Even if it's not full-blown player comparisons or any kinds of analysis, it's fun. People like enjoying themselves there. I think that if you take that thread away, then things become a bit less fun for the thread's participants, myself included, who consider it an outlet. Kind of a thread about baseball, but sometimes not directly. I say to let it stay. :)

It's much less a thread than it is a chatroom with pictures.

[Captain Cold Nose]

My only concern is quality posts being deleted. I know it takes more effort to go thread by thread than to just choose a date and delete posts that were made before it (though maybe that's not what is being done, that's just how I'm interpretting what's been said). But there are so many useless threads (I know, who am I to judge, blah, blah, blah) that it seems like it would be a shame to delete "ancient" quality posts and retain filler that happens to be moe current.
Your concern is genuine, and heard. The much older threads, mostly in team forums, were the easiest to clip for the simple reason so many of them have long been outdated. As the Commissioner pointed out to me, threads that could still be used as discusion points shouldn't be harmed, and won't be. The History forum is one he pointed to specifically in this manner.
Member names aren't taking up any space, wilky. That is hardly a problem. Threads that do little to maintain the mission of this site, baseball discussion, are the biggest problem. It seems there are indeed posters who have the chief concern of getting high post counts, because they are of the sorely mistaken belief quantity is more important or impressive than quality. Post count is not a badge of honor. And if the post is one of quality and of timely nature, chances are, it won't be removed.
Matt, the bitter rival thread is little more than seven or eight people, for the most part, in a playful shoving match.

[Brownie31]

I have only been a member of BBF since mid-February, so perhaps
this will sound stupid, but what is the importance of posting totals?
Is there an award for making the most posts?

While it is true that I tend to post a lot, it is only because I enjoy
the spirited give and take with such intelligent people as make up
BBF, not to run up a total. if older posts of mine are removed, then
so be it. I could not care less.

If anyone has a particular post that they are especially proud of,
then print it out and save it. That way you preserve it, but it is
not taking up needed space way into the future.

Apologies to anyone I've offended, but it is just the way I feel.

Brownie31

[Hammerin Hank]

Matt, the bitter rival thread is little more than seven or eight people, for the most part, in a playful shoving match.

It's at about 6,000 posts or so right now so why would they object to a few thousand of those, which will never even be read again, being deleted? Just delete pages 546-755 or something like that so that we can save on bandwidth.

Although it would be more benficial to the site if this type of thread weren't here at all.

Hey Mattingly, you know what else is a "running classic"? The Simpsons.

Eight seasons ago.

[Captain Cold Nose]

It's at about 6,000 posts or so right now so why would they object to a few thousand of those, which will never even be read again, being deleted? Just delete pages 546-755 or something like that so that we can save on bandwidth.

Although it would be more benficial to the site if this type of thread weren't here at all.

Hey Mattingly, you know what else is a "running classic"? The Simpsons.

Eight seasons ago.
I knew it was large, but, wow.
Sounds reasonable to me. What's a few hundred four-year-old posts?

CCN, what is your sig in reference to?
It's a line from the movie Evolution. Orlando Jones says it to Seann William Scott, who's doing bird calls to try to attract one of the aliens. The movie itself wasn't bad, but that line just struck me as funny. I've adopted it as a general philosophy.

[Mattingly]

I knew it was large, but, wow.
Sounds reasonable to me. What's a few hundred four-year-old posts?
I think that a courtesy PM to "KenFougere", the thread creator would be a good idea. If some of the older posts, I wouldn't mind entirely, but hopefully, I don't find 1,000 or so posts missing overnight on this.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I think that a courtesy PM to "KenFougere", the thread creator would be a good idea. If some of the older posts, I wouldn't mind entirely, but hopefully, I don't find 1,000 or so posts missing overnight on this.
Should everyone gets that same consideration. We've removed a few posts already, without letting pople know beforehand. I like Ken and all, he's a Yaz fan as I am, but let's not lose sight of what we're trying to do. If you want to tell him what's going on, please.

[csh19792001]

That wouldn't solve the space issue.
We can delete members who post a lot but only one or two sentences at a time that add little to the actual discussion. I'm all for that.

Hmm... Anyone in particular come to mind? :rolleyes:

(PS- I'm all for that too and I'm sure many others would be as well). ;)

[Mattingly]

Should everyone gets that same consideration. We've removed a few posts already, without letting pople know beforehand. I like Ken and all, he's a Yaz fan as I am, but let's not lose sight of what we're trying to do. If you want to tell him what's going on, please.
OK, that's fine. As long as people don't go crazy.

I've sent Ken a PM. I'm presume he won't mind too much.

[Captain Cold Nose]

OK, that's fine. As long as people don't go crazy.

I've sent Ken a PM. I'm presume he won't mind too much.
No more so than anyone else should.

[ESPNFan]

It's a line from the movie Evolution. Orlando Jones says it to Seann William Scott, who's doing bird calls to try to attract one of the aliens. The movie itself wasn't bad, but that line just struck me as funny. I've adopted it as a general philosophy.

Captain I have wanted to compliment you on that sig for a while now. That line was so not beverage drinking friendly when I saw that movie in the theaters. :laugh

[runningshoes]

I don't mind useless threads being deleted, but if a thread gets deleted that I did research for, I'll be none to pleased about it.

[Mattingly]

I don't mind useless threads being deleted, but if a thread gets deleted that I did research for, I'll be none to pleased about it.
Mostly shorter posts is what we've been deleting. Also, the 4-year-old posts were a priority.

If you have something from 2002 or so that's really important, you may wish to save to your computer. Either that or alert someone if it's that important.

[KenFougere]

OK, that's fine. As long as people don't go crazy.

I've sent Ken a PM. I'm presume he won't mind too much.


I understand the space problem. However, I do request that the original thread post remains and you delete say, the oldest 100 pages {or whatever you decide} starting with the 2nd post. Let me know if this is not clear . . . :cool:

[538280]

Hmm... Anyone in particular come to mind? :rolleyes:

(PS- I'm all for that too and I'm sure many others would be as well). ;)

No. If that happens it would be a farce. He's done nothing wrong to you or anyone else, and he does often make good points, he just doesn't often elaborate on them. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean there's any reason for him to be banned from the forum.

[runningshoes]

Mostly shorter posts is what we've been deleting. Also, the 4-year-old posts were a priority.

If you have something from 2002 or so that's really important, you may wish to save to your computer. Either that or alert someone if it's that important.

Who is to say what's important or not important?

It's more of the time factor factor involved. I don't do research for myself only. If that were the case, I would bother posting any of it here.

I would probably be less inclined to do the research if I know it might get the axe eventually.

I guess what I'm saying is if we're deleting threads, I would hope we do it discriminatingly.

And I don't know to what extent the older threads get viewed through the search option. For example, if I research something on Tris Speaker today, how do we know if someone is reading the thread through a search five years from now?

Do we have that capability?

[KenFougere]

You mean the Bitter Rivals Thread? I've been petitioning for the end of that one for years.

The Bitter Rivals Thread has been actively posted on almost daily for 4 years.
I understand that you don't particularly like it, but there are some of us that are senior members too who enjoy it very much.

Now, I don't understand why the most active thread of Baseball-Fever should be "ended". - http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/thumbsdown2.gif

http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/thumbsup2.gif - Instead, I suggest the threads that have been inactive for the over a year be "ended" . . .

Your thoughts?

[BaseballHistoryNut]

Sean (webmaster) has authorized Mods to delete ancient posts. The reason for this is because we are starting to run out of room. BF is getting bigger and bigger. We need to make more space. Purchasing all this space costs money. BF isn't bursting at the seams with Ca$h.

You know, you could always ASK members, on a strictly voluntary and ANONYMOUS basis, if they: (1) can afford to, and (2) are willing to, toss a donation your way.

I mean, this place gives me some great breaks during my work day, and some GREAT wind-down recesses in the late-night hours, when I really need them. If you're truly hard up for cash, well, then, so am I, but I'll chip in a bit now and then, and I'm sure many others would, too, for many of the same reasons.

BHN

[Hammerin Hank]

The Bitter Rivals Thread has been actively posted on almost daily for 4 years.
I understand that you don't particularly like it, but there are some of us that are senior members too who enjoy it very much.

Now, I don't understand why the most active thread of Baseball-Fever should be "ended". - http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/thumbsdown2.gif

http://images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/thumbsup2.gif - Instead, I suggest the threads that have been inactive for the over a year be "ended" . . .

Your thoughts?

If they want to make more room on the site the easiest way would be to delete a few thousand from that particular thread. Plus, if they're trying to get rid of the fluff, that's all that thread is.

[RBi]

I think most members misunderstand what we are doing... what we are trying to accomplish.

Why should it be an issue, if a thread started in 2003 or 2004* is deleted?

Example: a poll which has the question "Who should be our starting Shortstop?"

Of the 4 players who are listed in the poll, one has since retired, one doesn't play shortstop, and the other 2 don't even play for that team any longer.

What purpose is that thread still serving? I do not see why that should be an issue to "prune". Pruning is a common procedure on forums this size.

I will only speak for myself and how I am handling my "clean up" duty in the Cubs forum. I am not going to remove anything that either A. answers another members question. B. Provides information that is not "current events" related, meaning if offers a story on the 1969 Cubs, to inform and educate our members, I will not remove that thread.

Our reason for having this forum, is for more than just to pass time. We provide this site, to offer data and information on the game we all love. In doing this, we need to remove some of those items that don't exactly offer that content.

*include but not limited to.

[Hammerin Hank]

Why should it be an issue, if a thread started in 2003 or 2004 is deleted?


Easy to say when none of your posts are being removed.

[RBi]

Easy to say when none of your posts are being removed.

If you are talking to me...

I have lost 400+ of mine as well..

HH your personal post count is not only one going down.

Quality, not quanity. That is what you used to say.

[Hammerin Hank]

If you are talking to me...

I have lost 400+ of mine as well..

HH your personal post count is not only one going down.

Quality, not quanity. That is what you used to say.

You said threads from 2003 and 2004. You weren't around then.

[RBi]

You said threads from 2003 and 2004. You weren't around then.
*include but not limited to.

[The Dude]

I've lost about 200-300 so far, and I'm expecting to be to almost 2,000 posts left.

I don't mind at all. Especially when most of the stuff being deleted is what CubsHub was talking about.

[Ubiquitous]

I've lost around 300 or so posts with it looking like a great deal of them were in the Cubs forum.

Now I'm sure that some or a lot were chatter that is useless or meaningless nowadays but I also lost a lot of stuff that was research or more like articles to me. It isn't about post counts or rankings to me it is about losing stuff that to me is the kind of stuff that makes Fever what it is. The threads weren't why did Ojeda bunt in the 7th. But more like this Provides information that is not "current events" related, meaning if offers a story on the 1969 Cubs, to inform and educate our members
And I think the only reason why the last remaining threads of mine haven't been deleted is because I added a post to them last year so they fell outside of the area of cutting.

[Captain Cold Nose]

No. If that happens it would be a farce. He's done nothing wrong to you or anyone else, and he does often make good points, he just doesn't often elaborate on them. Just because you don't like the guy doesn't mean there's any reason for him to be banned from the forum.
Chris, really, you need to realize when something is posted in jest. Don't take everything so seriously. You're too young for that.

BHN, the Baseball Almanac has a spot that tells how to donate if one so chooses.

[RBi]

I've lost around 300 or so posts with it looking like a great deal of them were in the Cubs forum.


You have simply mistaken, I have not pruned many threads at all from the 2005 season... at all....

You signed up Aug 2005, and none have been removed from the cubs forum from that point on...

UNLESS, you got alot of late season post in the "2005 Game recap thread" I did in fact remove that, but that is one of 2 threads that I removed from last year, the other was dianasmoon82's "Picture this Cubs thread." which was HOGGING TONS for space... she uploaded all 240+ imageson bb-f.com's server. so what I did, was take some of the pictures on that thread, and I will merge them to our current game... which the images are hosted on my server to eliminate the "space usage" issue.

but I also lost a lot of stuff that was research or more like articles to me.

I would suspect you lost some in Current events or other areas, like I said before I am not removing anything that shows the least bit of research used to make the post. Mostly game recaps from previous seasons, and post with little views, and 0 replies that involved players that no longer play for the team. I.E. Juan Cruz, Paul Bako, Fred McGriff and Alex Gonzalez...


You said you lost "a lot" can you provide me with more details within a PM and I can research.

[digglahhh]

The CubbieinExile mystery continues...

[SF Kid]

Yes posts are being deleted.

Sean (webmaster) has authorized Mods to delete ancient posts. The reason for this is because we are starting to run out of room. BF is getting bigger and bigger.With thie limits here on images space shouldn't be a problem since we're only talking about text. There are lots of hosts where space is no problem and it's cheap. :gt

[Erik Bedard]

CCN, what is your sig in reference to?

I think that THESE are the types of posts that should be deleted.

Oh, and about the "Numbers Game" thread: Back when I first joined, I opened it up and it went from #1 to #1822. I couldn't figure it out for a while, then I realized that the posts had been deleted.

My comments on the Bitter Rivals thread:

I used to check there and post there somewhat regularly, but it has grown somewhat boring to me. It's really not that much of a "Bitter Rivals" thread anymore IMO, just, as someone else said, more of "a chatroom with pictures". And I don't do that kind of stuff.

Should I delete that?

Go ahead. And while you're at it, delete all the unnecessary posts in this thread. And any other threads you feel like deleting the posts in. I don't see why people are making such a big deal about their post count. IMO, you shouldn't be able to see the post count when a person posts. That, or the join date. It tends to lead people to not taking a person seriously, instead of reading their actual posts.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Go ahead. And while you're at it, delete all the unnecessary posts in this thread. And any other threads you feel like deleting the posts in. I don't see why people are making such a big deal about their post count. IMO, you shouldn't be able to see the post count when a person posts. That, or the join date. It tends to lead people to not taking a person seriously, instead of reading their actual posts.
We do need to have some discretion in what to remove. And we do. I don't think anyone is losing anything too precious. Outdated team threads that were only topical at the time were the first to go, although some mods haven't got to theirs yet. I don't want to speculate why.
No one's posts here are above reproach or too precious to let go of. Those who think so really need to check their ego at the door.

[runningshoes]

No one's posts here are above reproach or too precious to let go of. Those who think so really need to check their ego at the door.

Of course not, but they may reconsider the time and effort they put into them.

I'll use Bill as an example. I'm not saying he would lay back in the event some of his stuff is deleted but he would certainly be justified in doing so.

I wouldn't blame him if he got down right ornery. :laugh

[Erik Bedard]

Honestly, if you want to delete posts, delete those of banned members and those discussing the stupidity of the comments of said banned members. Or delete some posts in some Vote-off games.

[runningshoes]

Honestly, if you want to delete posts, delete those of banned members and those discussing the stupidity of the comments of said banned members. Or delete some posts in some Vote-off games.

I say ditch the vote-off games as soon as they're finished.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Of course not, but they may reconsider the time and effort they put into them.

I'll use Bill as an example. I'm not saying he would lay back in the event some of his stuff is deleted but he would certainly be justified in doing so.

I wouldn't blame him if he got down right ornery. :laugh
Of course, Troy, which is why we are using discretion now when removing threads for space reasons. We're not removing stuff willy nilly. And it doesn't take a lot of research or time to say "Yes, I agree with you." or "I like Babe Ruth. He hit a lot of home runs."
Then again, if you're pouring a lot of time and research into something that is little more than self-serving or, simply showing off, well . . .

[runningshoes]

Then again, if you're pouring a lot of time and research into something that is little more than self-serving or, simply showing off, well . . .

Well what? :laugh

[Captain Cold Nose]

Honestly, if you want to delete posts, delete those of banned members and those discussing the stupidity of the comments of said banned members. Or delete some posts in some Vote-off games.
Well, the posts that got the banned memers banned are usually gone by that time.
:D
And the subsequent posts, too. But to just hunt for banned members posts wouldn't help much. There are very few banned members who posted substantially, (most are spammers) and for the couple that did, the banned posts were part of solid discusions.

[Erik Bedard]

I say ditch the vote-off games as soon as they're finished.

Exactly. Oh, and CCN, I was serious about deleting that post that you asked if you should delete.

You should probably ask wilkerson_rulz, but I don't think he'd mind if you deleted a bunch of the posts in the old BBF transaction game.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Exactly. Oh, and CCN, I was serious about deleting that post that you asked if you should delete.
I know you were, but I'm a moderator, not Big Brother. I'd like to think I come to Baseball Fever as a poster. Deleting posts from good members is not high on my list of things to do here.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

You should probably as wilkerson_rulz, but I don't think he'd mind if you deleted a bunch of the posts in the old BBF transaction game.
There are a lot of posts in that thread which are useless, like a big argument at the end, feel free to discard certain non-baseball posts in there.
(Just don't delete the thread!)

[Captain Cold Nose]

There are a lot of posts in that thread which are useless, like a big argument at the end, feel free to discard certain non-baseball posts in there.
(Just don't delete the thread!)
The thread itself is safe. Baseball is something we all enjoy. We're not going to delete a thread because it doesn't meet someone's singular viewpoint on how baseball should be discussed.
And, no, I don't have anybody in mind when I say that.

[Erik Bedard]

I know you were, but I'm a moderator, not Big Brother. I'd like to think I come to Baseball Fever as a poster. Deleting posts from good members is not high on my list of things to do here.

Thanks for the compliment, but I really do want you to delete that.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Thanks for the compliment, but I really do want you to delete that.
Ok, I'll delete it.

[SF Kid]

This thread could probably be deleted now! ;)

[Williamsburg2599]

That wouldn't solve the space issue.
We can delete members who post a lot but only one or two sentences at a time that add little to the actual discussion. I'm all for that.
*GULP*

I might be down to 5 posts by the morning:laugh :waving

(Im back,if you noticed,computer problems for a few weeks)

[runningshoes]

This thread could probably be deleted now! ;)

So could your signature. ;)

[SF Kid]

So could your signature. ;)Aw what's the matter bub, no skills? ;)

[runningshoes]

Aw what's the matter bub, no skills? ;)

We've had this debate before.

Go through the regular posters and see how may of them you can find.

Barring the fact they're unnecessary unless your on pro sports daily and trying to show off to your buddies, it's a bandwidth issue as well.

We've all pretty much agreed on what's more important: flash or substance.

Which do you think we've decided on?

(besides the fact that any other photo, likeness or even the mere mention of his name is puke induding. ;))