Cubs Arcana Quiz #3

[Ubiquitous]

Ladies and Gentlemen here is the latest installment in the Cubs Arcana series. Good Luck to all, and enjoy.

50's: This journeymen all-star set a record for most times striking out when he was a Cub. The next year his on field antics led to a ruling change concerning batted balls. Who is this guy?

60's: This former Cricket player who once used to jump away from curveballs adjusted so well to Major League pitching that he once led the Cubs in hit batsmen. Who is this cricket player?

70's: What pitcher drafted by the Cubs threw two no hitters at the age of 20 in the NBC tournament?

80's: On what day did two Cy Young award winners (one past winner, one future winner) play the outfield against the Chicago Cubs?

90's: On August 28, 1997 Sammy Sosa set two Cub milestones (one seasonal, another career), what were they?

00's: In 2001 Sammy Sosa surpassed 6 Cubs on the all-time Home Run list. Without looking can you name all 6?

Extra Credit One: Name the 16 other names the Cubs have been known by throughout there history

Extra Credit Two: In what year and against whom did the Cubs issue a record 9 walks in one inning, and who were the pitchers?

Extra Credit Three: The Cubs are tied I believe for the major league record for most triple plays in a season with 3. What Cubs pitcher was on the mound and benefitted from all 3 triple plays?

[Gee Walker]

The only Cub who led the league in strikeouts was Roy Smalley Sr. in 1950. He never made an all-star team.

Dee Fondy never led the league in strikeouts, but did strike out a lot for that era. He did make one all-star team.

I have no idea what the rule change would be.

[Gee Walker]

Andre Rodgers was born in Nassau Bahamas - that's cricket country. He led the team with 8 HBP in 1963.

Devon White also started out as a cricket player in Jamaica. Do you know of anyone else who made the majors and went from a flat bat to a round one?

[flash143817]

Ladies and Gentlemen here is the latest installment in the Cubs Arcana series. Good Luck to all, and enjoy.

50's: This journeymen all-star set a record for most times striking out when he was a Cub. The next year his on field antics led to a ruling change concerning batted balls. Who is this guy?

60's: This former Cricket player who once used to jump away from curveballs adjusted so well to Major League pitching that he once led the Cubs in hit batsmen. Who is this cricket player?

70's: What pitcher drafted by the Cubs threw two no hitters at the age of 20 in the NBC tournament?

80's: On what day did two Cy Young award winners (one past winner, one future winner) play the outfield against the Chicago Cubs?

90's: On August 28, 1997 Sammy Sosa set two Cub milestones (one seasonal, another career), what were they?

00's: In 2001 Sammy Sosa surpassed 6 Cubs on the all-time Home Run list. Without looking can you name all 6?

Extra Credit One: Name the 16 other names the Cubs have been known by throughout there history

Extra Credit Two: In what year and against whom did the Cubs issue a record 9 walks in one inning, and who were the pitchers?

Extra Credit Three: The Cubs are tied I believe for the major league record for most triple plays in a season with 3. What Cubs pitcher was on the mound and benefitted from all 3 triple plays?

90s: Single season and career strikeouts?

00s: Hmm....Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Ryne Sandberg, Mark Grace, Rafael Palmeiro, and Ernie Banks

[Ubiquitous]

The 50's answer is not Roy Smalley or Dee Fondy

Correct on the 60's.

Only partly right on the 90's question. On that day he did set the new club single season strikeout record with 144 K's topping the great Byron Brown who ahd 143 in 1966. The second part has to do with a rather exclusive Cub club.

[Ubiquitous]

Oh and those are not the names of the Cub players he passed.

[flash143817]

Unless it's a trick question, the 00's question is impossible because Sosa trailed only 2 players on the Cubs HR list entering 2001.

And the answer to the 50's question is Don Hoak, who struck out 6 times in one game.

[Ubiquitous]

Nope not a trick question and yes Don Hoak is the player who caused a rule change and who srtuck out 6 times in a game.

Questions Left:
70's
80's
90's, half the question
00's
E1
E2
E3

[flash143817]

Two more answers:

80's: Fernando Valenzuela and Bob Welch on August 17, 1982 for the Dodgers

EC2: In 1957 against Cincinnati, Moe Drabowsky, Jackie Collum, and Jim Brosnan


What rule change did Don Hoak cause?

[Ubiquitous]

Correct on 80's and E2

Rule Change
In a Braves-Reds game on April 21, 1957, Hoak was on second and Gus Bell was on first when Wally Post grounded to shortstop. Hoak fielded the ball himself, flipping it to a stunned Johnny Logan at short. Hoak was out for getting hit by a batted ball, but the Reds still had two on and Post was credited with a single. The third such incident involving the Reds that season, it moved league presidents Warren Giles and Will Harridge to jointly announce a rule change that declared both the runner and the batter out if the runner intentionally interfered with a batted ball, with no runners allowed to advance.

[Budtaff]

EC1: Orphans, Colts and White Sox would be the ones I know of.

EC3: 1965 Bill Faul was the pitcher.

[Ubiquitous]

Correct on E3

[Ubiquitous]

Alright I'm calling it.

70's: Larry Gura
90's: Sosa joined a list of Cubbie with 4 seasons of 30 or more home runs that day as well as the K record
00's: Sosa passed Joe Carter, Billy Williams, Rafael Palmeiro, Fred McGriff, Andre Dawson, and Dave Kingman
E1: Too many names to list and nobody tried.


thus ends the final Cubs Arcana Quiz.

[flash143817]

Alright I'm calling it.

00's: Sosa passed Joe Carter, Billy Williams, Rafael Palmeiro, Fred McGriff, Andre Dawson, and Dave Kingman



thus ends the final Cubs Arcana Quiz.

So it was a trick question because it was concerning players that spent any of their careers with the Cubs and not the Cubs HR list.

[KingSwisher]

Alright I'm calling it.

E1: Too many names to list and nobody tried.

thus ends the final Cubs Arcana Quiz.

Somebody tried and he listed White Stockings, Colts , Orphans (changed when Cap Anson retired and was no longer around to lead the team) and then Cubs (because of the number of young players on the team the Chicago Daily News first called them the Cubs.)

I'd be interested in the other 12 names. They are official names, right?

[Ubiquitous]

The Cubs never had an official name for well over 30 years of there existance which is how the White Sox were able to snag the name White Sox in 1901. The first time a Cub or the "Cubs" appeared on a jersey was in 1908

White Stockings
Black Stockings
Colts
Orphans
Ex-Colts
Rainmakers
Cowboys
Roughriders
Desert Rangers
Remnants
Recruits
Panamas
Zephyrs
Nationals
Spuds
Trojans
and of course Cubs

[KingSwisher]

Dubious at best.

Just because some writers referred to them by these nicknames during spring training games in New Mexico or various other reasons doesn't make it an official name. No more so then the Dodgers being referred to as Dem Bums or the Yankees as the Bronx Bombers or Southsiders for the White Sox. I'm sure I could go around to a few neighborhoods in Chicago and add a dozen more to the list.

Why not add Northsiders to list? That's pretty common. Why not add Swallowtails or Anson's Colts or Selee's Colts to the list. These people did - under nicknames:

CHICAGO CUBS
Leagues: NA 1871, 1874-1875, NL 1876->
Aka: Chicago White Stockings 1876-1890, Chicago Colts 1890-1897, Chicago Orphans 1898-1901

Nicknames: Swallowtails 1888, Black Stockings 1888-1889, Anson's Colts 1887-1897, Ex-Colts 1898, Rainmakers 1894-1897, Babes 1894-1897, Cubs, Cowboys 1899, Desert Rangers 1899, Rough Riders 1899-1900, Remnants 1901-1902, Recruits 1902, Panamas 1903, Zephyrs 1905, Selee's Colts 1902-1905, Spuds 1906, Nationals 1905-1907, Trojans 1913
Franchise: Charter franchise NA. Charter franchise NL. Merged with Chicago Pirates 1891. Merged with Chicago Whales 1916.
Named Anson's Colts because manager Cap Anson had starred in a silent film called "A Runaway Colt." The word also meant rookie back then.
Name of Cubs used first 3/27/02 by Chicago sportswriters George Rice and Fred Hayner in Chicago Daily News.
Most frequently used nicknames: White Stockings 1871, 1874-1889, Colts 1890-1897, Orphans 1898-1901, Colts 1902-1904 Cubs 1905 to date.

According to the Cubs Team History page:

In 1902, noting the youth movement lead by new manager Frank Selee, a local newspaper penned the nickname Cubs for the first time. The moniker prevailed over time and was officially adopted by the club in 1907. It is currently one of the longest running-and most beloved-alias' in all of sports. The team, after moving around to different parks during the previous century, found a home at the West Side Grounds, their home from 1893-1915.

So there it is. In fact, no Chicago Cub has ever been in my kitchen so now they will be forever known in these parts as the Chicago Kitchen Ghosts. Catchy don't you think?

[Ubiquitous]

I don't think you are understanding the times. For the most part teams did not have official names for most of the 19th century. I think one notable exception is the Giants who it appears were commonly called the Giants in the 19th century. But outside of them it was left to the reporters and newspapers to come up with nicknames for this team. These teams were simply the Chicago ballclub or the St. Louis ballclub. In May of 1902 a reporter called them the Cubs it caught on and I think the reason it caught on was because of the AL. Suddenly there were two teams in Chicago and you had to differentiate between the two. If the AL hadn't come around to say 1913 or so the Chicago team might forever be known as the Trojans.

The point is that in say 1889 if someone said "hey did you see that black stockings games yesterday?" They knew you were talking about the Chicago team. It wasn't like some guy was sitting in his basement dreaming up names for the team. These were published nicknames for this team that were commonly used during the season by newspapers.

[KingSwisher]

I don't think you are understanding the times. For the most part teams did not have official names for most of the 19th century. I think one notable exception is the Giants who it appears were commonly called the Giants in the 19th century. But outside of them it was left to the reporters and newspapers to come up with nicknames for this team. These teams were simply the Chicago ballclub or the St. Louis ballclub. In May of 1902 a reporter called them the Cubs it caught on and I think the reason it caught on was because of the AL. Suddenly there were two teams in Chicago and you had to differentiate between the two. If the AL hadn't come around to say 1913 or so the Chicago team might forever be known as the Trojans.

The point is that in say 1889 if someone said "hey did you see that black stockings games yesterday?" They knew you were talking about the Chicago team. It wasn't like some guy was sitting in his basement dreaming up names for the team. These were published nicknames for this team that were commonly used during the season by newspapers.

That's why in these modern times, with the invention of this newfangled internet thing, I really think Chicago Kitchen Ghosts will catch on eventually.