common thread

[soberdennis]

What do these players have in common?
Garry Templeton
Milt Pappas
Ernie Broglio
Rick Wise
I could probably come up with more. I'm sure there are more. But my mind draws a blank after these four

[Mad Guru]

They were all traded for Hall of Famers, in somewhat lopsided trades at that.

[soberdennis]

They were all traded for Hall of Famers, in somewhat lopsided trades at that.
Bingo!
The closest of those trades to being even was the Templeton for Smith trade. Garry did help the Padres win in 84. But overall the Cards definitely got the better of the deal.
The other deals mentioned:
Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock-Huge advantage Cards over Cubs
Milt Pappas for Frank Robinson-Orioles over Reds
Rick Wise for Steve Carlton-Phils over Cards

Can anyone think of any other such deals?

[Gee Walker]

Soon to be followed by Larry Andersen, traded by the Astros for Jeff Bagwell.

[runningshoes]

They were all traded for Hall of Famers, in somewhat lopsided trades at that.

We could use a little more of you around here.

[Gee Walker]

And Jim Fregosi, traded by the Angels late in his career to the Mets for three spare parts and Nolan Ryan.

With the exception of Templeton/Smith, all of these trades involve a pitcher going one way or the other, and either developing into a HOF player (Carlton, Ryan) or declining (Broglio, Andersen).

[Utter Chaos]

A could of good ones for the Cubbies:
Ivan DeJesus for Ryne Sandberg (and Larry Bowa!)

Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl for Fergie Jenkins (and John Herrnstein/Adolfo Phillips)

And one not so good:
Dennis Eckersley (and Dan Rohn) for Brian Guinn, Dave Wilder, and Mark Leonette.


Also:
Cards traded Ray Sadecki to the Giants for Orlando Cepeda

For the future:
Braves traded Doyle Alexander to the Tigers for John Smoltz

[runningshoes]

A could of good ones for the Cubbies:
Ivan DeJesus for Ryne Sandberg (and Larry Bowa!)

That's the understatement of the centruy. :D

[RuthMayBond]

Burleigh Grimes for Vic Aldredge
Ernie Lombardi for ?
Eck AND another guy for three no-namers
Kell for Barney McCosky
Nellie Fox for Joe Tipton
Cuyler for Sparky Adams & Pete Scott
Morgan AND Billingham AND Geronimo for Lee May
EWynn AND MVernon for three no-names
Mathewson for Rusie
Eventually, Pedro for DeShields, and Raines for Calderon/Jones

[Gee Walker]

In two separate moves over a seven week period in 1972, the Cardinals traded Steve Carlton AND Jerry Reuss, who only had 450 Wins left between them, for Rick Wise, Scipio Spinks, and some spare parts. Wise at least had 111 Wins left in his arm, while Spinks mastered a 6-10 record in his remaining career. He does have one of my all-time favorite player names, though... I guess to be fair to the Cards we should include Lance Clemons' 2 career Wins.

[Budtaff]

Eventually, Pedro for DeShields,

Think they'd like a do-over with that one!

[Captain Cold Nose]

A few disagree with the election, but the Cubs traded Bruce Sutter to the Cardinals for Leon Durham (Buckner before Buckner) and Ken Reitz. The Cubs had a lot of guys on the roster around that time who would have some success closing games elsewhere. Sutter, Willie Hernandez, Bill Caudill, and a couple of names that currently escape me.

[soberdennis]

Burleigh Grimes for Vic Aldredge
Ernie Lombardi for ?
Eck AND another guy for three no-namers
Kell for Barney McCosky
Nellie Fox for Joe Tipton
Cuyler for Sparky Adams & Pete Scott
Morgan AND Billingham AND Geronimo for Lee May
EWynn AND MVernon for three no-names
Mathewson for Rusie
Eventually, Pedro for DeShields, and Raines for Calderon/Jones
All good ones. Except the Mathewson trade was HOFer for HOFer. I would take Matty over Rusie though.
Can you name another HOFer for HOFer involving the Giants.

[Budtaff]

All good ones. Except the Mathewson trade was HOFer for HOFer. I would take Matty over Rusie though.
Can you name another HOFer for HOFer involving the Giants.

Yes but Rusie pitched a grand total of 22 innings after the trade. Matthewson pitched for another 17 years!

And the 2nd part would be the Frisch for Hornsby trade.

[soberdennis]

Yes but Rusie pitched a grand total of 22 innings after the trade. Matthewson pitched for another 17 years!

And the 2nd part would be the Frisch for Hornsby trade.
2 2bmen who definitely didn't hurt their new clubs, though Hornsby only lasted one year with the Giants. Then he went to the Braves for one year and the Cubs after that, where he ended up replacing Joe McCarthy as manager until the middle of 1932. Rajah has the team single season BA record for three different teams. CArds, Braves, and Cubs. What Giant has the team record.

[Mad Guru]

We could use a little more of you around here.

Not sure why you feel that way exactly but here's more of me by request.

Jim Enright's book Trade Him! (1976) has an appendix containing the trades of all Hall of Famers to that point.

Leafing through it the following stand out to me that have not been mentioned:

Pennock for Skinner, McMillan and Murray
Ruffing for Durst and 50K
Mordecai Brown and Jack O'Neill for Jack Taylor (who the Cubs reacquired two years later)
Keeler and Brouthers for Shindle and Treadway (although the trade was not exactly made with the interests of both teams in mind)

[runningshoes]

Not sure why you feel that way exactly but here's more of me by request.

Jim Enright's book Trade Him! (1976) has an appendix containing the trades of all Hall of Famers to that point.

Leafing through it the following stand out to me that have not been mentioned:

Pennock for Skinner, McMillan and Murray
Ruffing for Durst and 50K
Mordecai Brown and Jack O'Neill for Jack Taylor (who the Cubs reacquired two years later)
Keeler and Brouthers for Shindle and Treadway (although the trade was not exactly made with the interests of both teams in mind)

We always need folks with a good knowledge of the game posting here. Especially lately.

[Erik Bedard]

Babe Ruth for $$$ :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy :grouchy
Pete Harnisch, Curt Schilling, and someone else who I forget for Glenn Davis

[soberdennis]

i could turn this into a thread about some of the most onesided trades in history. Not all of them involved HOFers. Gabe Paul was a master tradesman for the Yanks in the 70's.
Traded Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle
Fritz Peterson and Mike Keckich and two prospects for Chris Chambliss and Dick Tidrow.
Rich McKinney for Bucky Dent
Bobby Bonds for Mickey Rivers and Ed Figueroa
George Medich for Willie Randolph.

[Utter Chaos]

Pete Harnisch, Curt Schilling, and someone else who I forget for Glenn DavisPete Harnisch, Curt Schilling, and Steve Finley!

[RuthMayBond]

Rich McKinney for Bucky Dent.At least you didn't say Bucky's middle name ;)

[soberdennis]

At least you didn't say Bucky's middle name ;)
I'm a Yankee fan. His middle name is "wonderful"

[Ursa Major]

Also: Cards traded Ray Sadecki to the Giants for Orlando CepedaThat one still hurts. In late 60's Northern California jargon, to call a ballplayer a "Sadecki" was to lay on 'em the worst kind of insult.

[mordeci]

On the other end of the HOFer career:
Charlie Williams for Willie Mays
Dave May for Hank Aaron
Steve Lyons for Tom Seaver
Tom Lawless for Pete Rose (I know, not a HOFer).

Jose Rijo and Tim Birtsas (among others) were traded from the yankees to the A's for Rickey Henderson. Both were later traded from the A's to the Reds for Dave Parker (I know, neither is a HOFer, but one will be).

The patron saint of this thread: one player, mentioned in an earlier post, that was involved in trades with/for:
Frank Robinson, Pete Richert, Rudy May, Tippy Martinez, Rick Dempsey, Scott McGregor, Ellie Hendricks, Ken Holtzman, Grant Jackson, Larvell Blanks, John (the count) Montefusco, Duane Ward and finally . . . John Smoltz.

[HOYA86]

That would be the inimitable Doyle Alexander (and don't forget the unforgettable Pepe Frias as yet another member of the Doyle trading club).

[Gee Walker]

The patron saint of this thread: one player, mentioned in an earlier post, that was involved in trades with/for:
Frank Robinson, Pete Richert, Rudy May, Tippy Martinez, Rick Dempsey, Scott McGregor, Ellie Hendricks, Ken Holtzman, Grant Jackson, Larvell Blanks, John (the count) Montefusco, Duane Ward and finally . . . John Smoltz.

Frank Robinson started his MLB career in 1956, while John Smoltz is still active today. I wonder if there is any other player whose "traded for" list spans 50 years and counting.

[Budtaff]

i could turn this into a thread about some of the most onesided trades in history. Not all of them involved HOFers. Gabe Paul was a master tradesman for the Yanks in the 70's.
Traded Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle
Fritz Peterson and Mike Keckich and two prospects for Chris Chambliss and Dick Tidrow.
Rich McKinney for Bucky Dent
Bobby Bonds for Mickey Rivers and Ed Figueroa
George Medich for Willie Randolph.

Actually they traded Oscar Gamble and his afro to the Sox for Dent before the 77 season....they then got Oscar (with his fro) back a few years later.

McKinney (thankfully) was long gone by then.

and you missed the Charlie Spikes, John Ellis and the immortal Jerry Kenney for Graig Nettles one too! :dance

[Captain Cold Nose]

I'm a Yankee fan. His middle name is "wonderful"
That managerial stint did nothing to remove him from the mountain?

[Budtaff]

Frank Robinson started his MLB career in 1956, while John Smoltz is still active today. I wonder if there is any other player whose "traded for" list spans 50 years and counting.

I remember seeing one awhile back that went for almost a hundred years. It was like one of those "Six Degrees of Seperation" kind of threads.

[mordeci]

Frank Robinson started his MLB career in 1956, while John Smoltz is still active today. I wonder if there is any other player whose "traded for" list spans 50 years and counting.
I think Julio Franco was traded for Cy Young.

[Gee Walker]

I think Julio Franco was traded for Cy Young.

That would have been the ultimate "player to be named later".

[soberdennis]

Actually they traded Oscar Gamble and his afro to the Sox for Dent before the 77 season....they then got Oscar (with his fro) back a few years later.

McKinney (thankfully) was long gone by then.

and you missed the Charlie Spikes, John Ellis and the immortal Jerry Kenney for Graig Nettles one too! :dance
Gabe Paul was a master tradesman. I remember that Yank fans first hated that Chambliss trade. But they grew to regret that hate.
Nettles became the Yanks answer to some guy in Baltimore. he made some amazing plays at 3rd. In the 78 series, the world saw what Yank fans already knew. We had a great third baseman.
Of course, I have to love this quote from Nettles "Little boys dream of doing two things when they grow up, joining the circus and playin Major League Baseball. I got to play for the Yankees and do both."

[Yankwood]

Doyle Alexander was traded for both John Smoltz and Frank Robby.

[soberdennis]

Doyle Alexander was traded for both John Smoltz and Frank Robby.
Why couldn't the Yanks get either one of them for him?

[Yankwood]

Why couldn't the Yanks get either one of them for him?When the Yanks traded him,he was so bad, I remember Steinbrenner's quote, "I had to trade him. I feared for my infielder's safety."