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redlegsfan21
05-08-2006, 03:37 PM
By STEVEN WINE

MIAMI (AP) - The vendor climbed the steps in the stands behind home plate, searching for customers amid the empty seats during the Florida Marlins' latest loss.

"Buy some peanuts - you'll feel better," he shouted.

Marlins fans, that scarcest of breeds, are hurting because their team is beyond bad. Not only are the Marlins last in the major leagues in attendance, but they have the fewest wins in the NL, their batters have the most strikeouts, their pitchers have the most walks and their fielding percentage is the worst.

They're even last in the majors in sacrifice flies.

On the bright side: Florida has grounded in the fewest double plays of any team. That's because double plays require base runners.

It seems $15 million - the size of the Florida payroll - doesn't buy as much as it used to.

"Bad baseball," said Dontrelle Willis, a 22-game winner last season. He was talking about his most recent performance, which dropped his record to 1-3 and hiked his ERA to 5.15. But "bad baseball" sums up the whole situation.

"Early in the season we couldn't hit," Willis said. "Now we're hitting and we can't pitch."

The Marlins are 8-21 with 10 consecutive home losses, one shy of the franchise record. They have a good chance to tie it Tuesday against the Atlanta Braves, given that starting pitcher Brian Moehler is 0-3 with an ERA of 9.27.

Perhaps the stadium atmosphere - or the lack of it - contributes to the absence of any home-field advantage, explaining the Marlins' 2-12 record in Miami. Whatever the reason, the defeats grind on first-year manager Joe Girardi, who spent much of his career at the other end of baseball's food chain with the New York Yankees.

"I hate losing," Girardi said. "I was on a team that won 114 games, and those 48 games we lost, I was miserable. So I'm going to be miserable when we lose. That's just who I am.

"I'm frustrated because I hate losing. But I'm not frustrated with our effort."

Last weekend ranked with the worst in franchise history. A bid for state money failed in the Legislature for the fifth time in six years, leaving the Marlins stymied yet again in their pursuit of a new ballpark.

To compound the misery, Florida fell behind 7-0 three games in a row, losing them all to the St. Louis Cardinals.

"You've got to keep battling every day, even though the situation is kind of tough right now," rookie pitcher Scott Olsen said.

Fans have protested the lousy play primarily by staying away or switching allegiances. Average home attendance is 12,774, less than half the major league average. The only boos are directed at fans who cheer for the visiting team, which will likely happen a lot this week with the neighboring Braves in town.

A single sign disparaging the Marlins was visible Sunday, but the fan holding it used it to shield himself from the sun. He appeared to be asleep underneath.

"Obviously it has been a rough start," said rookie second baseman Dan Uggla, whose .278 average and four homers make him one of the team's few bright spots. "But we feel like we have a chance to win every day."

In this age of competitive imbalance, the Marlins' woeful play isn't unique. They must contend with Kansas City and Pittsburgh for the distinction of being baseball's worst team.

And Florida's poor record is hardly a surprise. For the second time in eight years, ownership ordered an offseason fire sale, leaving the Marlins with the smallest payroll and youngest team in the majors.

With up to six rookies in the lineup, they're learning as they lose.

"You hate to see young players struggle," Girardi said. "You get frustrated because you know they're better than what they're showing.

"You're going to see a different bunch of guys in July, August and September. You're going to see guys who have learned a lot in a quick amount of time who were thrown into the fire."

Still, these are dark days for a franchise that won two World Series titles in the past nine years. The Marlins are on a pace to finish 45-117, which would leave them 19 games behind the 1993 Marlins, an expansion team.

In other words, this franchise appears headed in the wrong direction. Peanuts, anyone?

http://sports.myway.com/news/05082006/v1780.html

brooklynboy
05-09-2006, 07:50 PM
With a little bit of luck, they could challenge the '62 Mets record of 120 losses..Way to go Jeff!!

:clapping

Not so Amazin...

riverfrontier
05-15-2006, 08:32 AM
Even in 2003 they never drew any fans until all the bandwagoneers came out for the post-season. I never liked the idea of contraction, but in this case...

racosun
05-17-2006, 01:02 AM
This team reminds me of the 2003 version of the Detroit Tigers. They have a bunch of AAA players that need experience, and due to team mismanagement they are forced to represent the big club and play against players that are at least two or three years ahead of them skill-wise. The biggest difference between this team and the Detroit squad that lost 119 games a few years back is that this team has far more blue-chip prospects with which to build around.

Miguel Cabrera is in his early 20's, with a World Series ring to his credit. He would be the cornerstone of any franchise except perhaps St. Louis. These Marlins also have a stud ace in Dontrelle Willis, who's also in his early 20's and is already Cy Young-capable. Hanley Ramirez is clearly ready for big league baseball, and could not only win the ROY award, but play in the All-Star game this year. Add in Josh Willingham, Jeremy Hermida, Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, and that huge stable of young, explosive arms, and this team is built to contend annually once they gather the experience. The Tigers are just now beginning to reap the rewards of rebuilding, and I fully expect to be hearing about how good the Marlins are in a couple years.

I'm not trying to defend Jeffrey Loria in any way, shape, or form, but this team has a ton of potential. Even though things are rough right now, the Marlins are in great shape for the future, at least on the field. They may not reach the playoffs until they relocate to a different city, and perhaps will do it under a different team name, but I don't think it's that far-fetched of an idea or that far away. Laugh at them now, like those '03 Tigers were, but realize that they have a ton of young blue-chippers that are getting their lumps out of the way and will be prepared to dominate for the next decade-and-a-half if handled correctly.

skeletor
05-20-2006, 10:42 PM
This team reminds me of the 2003 version of the Detroit Tigers. They have a bunch of AAA players that need experience, and due to team mismanagement they are forced to represent the big club and play against players that are at least two or three years ahead of them skill-wise. The biggest difference between this team and the Detroit squad that lost 119 games a few years back is that this team has far more blue-chip prospects with which to build around.

Miguel Cabrera is in his early 20's, with a World Series ring to his credit. He would be the cornerstone of any franchise except perhaps St. Louis. These Marlins also have a stud ace in Dontrelle Willis, who's also in his early 20's and is already Cy Young-capable. Hanley Ramirez is clearly ready for big league baseball, and could not only win the ROY award, but play in the All-Star game this year. Add in Josh Willingham, Jeremy Hermida, Mike Jacobs, Dan Uggla, and that huge stable of young, explosive arms, and this team is built to contend annually once they gather the experience. The Tigers are just now beginning to reap the rewards of rebuilding, and I fully expect to be hearing about how good the Marlins are in a couple years.

I'm not trying to defend Jeffrey Loria in any way, shape, or form, but this team has a ton of potential. Even though things are rough right now, the Marlins are in great shape for the future, at least on the field. They may not reach the playoffs until they relocate to a different city, and perhaps will do it under a different team name, but I don't think it's that far-fetched of an idea or that far away. Laugh at them now, like those '03 Tigers were, but realize that they have a ton of young blue-chippers that are getting their lumps out of the way and will be prepared to dominate for the next decade-and-a-half if handled correctly.

good post..right on the money..Tigers were in similar mode...but did not
have as many blue chippers like the Marlins...but they have made some
decent progress at long last..plus the arrival of a no B.S. skipper, a couple
of second tier FA's, and some decent drafts, which is finally sending some
decent potential to the show..after years of horrible drafts...which other
teams are asking about certain players in Detroit...

I think eventually, the Marlins will be a top team, but sadly, it'll happen
in another city, as Jeff is looking to ankle Florida...sure hope they don't
end up in Las Vegas,,too bad, they couldn't move into Tiger stadium,
and let the NL have a club in Detroit..but that won't happen inna million
years...oh well....maybe Portland will land the marlins..any ideas where
this club could end up, if they decide to move ?

linkmaster
05-23-2006, 03:18 PM
This team will start to win. Giradi knows what he's doing. Talent is there. It just takes patience. Here's one take

"There’s talent on this club and touted talent at that. Seriously, if the Marlins play .500 baseball for a decent stretch, they’ll return some serious cash at sweet underdog prices. They don’t really have the veterans that can weigh down a team that’s going to have a brutal record. .."

The rest of the article is here (http://www.sportsmemo.com/handicappers/er/blog/1152/)

brooklynboy
05-24-2006, 04:08 PM
Nobody doubts the talent on the team...Maturity takes time..Unfortunately, they'll be long gone when that happens.....

Mattingly
06-19-2006, 07:28 AM
They just won 8 straight. They're only 29-37, which is 13 games back, but they're showing some life out there.

Marlins Win 8th Straight, Beat Halladay (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/sports/AP-BBO-Blue-Jays-Marlins.html)
MIAMI (AP) -- Florida manager Joe Girardi's preseason message to the Marlins outlined his expectations for the team. And now his players are starting to live up to his words. Dan Uggla had three hits and knocked in the go-ahead run to help the Florida Marlins beat Roy Halladay and the Toronto Blue Jays 4-1 Sunday for their eighth straight win.

''I told the guys when they first put on the uniforms back in spring training that we were here to win -- we didn't get into this to lose,'' said Girardi, in his first year managing the Marlins.

Halladay (8-2) suffered his first loss in 12 starts. He allowed four runs and eight hits in six innings as the Blue Jays were swept for the second time this season. The right-hander struck out seven and walked two.

''My command wasn't as good as it has been, and I cost myself a few extra pitches,'' Halladay said. ''It's important if you can get ahead of the hitters -- it makes it a lot different. I really didn't do that as well today.''

The Marlins' winning streak is their longest since they won nine straight from Aug. 27-Sept. 8, 2004. Their 6-0 homestand marked the fourth undefeated homestand of six games or more in team history. The last time was Sept. 26-Oct. 1, 2000.

redlegsfan21
06-19-2006, 12:25 PM
When I looked at the paper this morning, I couldn't believe my eyes that the Marlins are better than the Braves.

marlins rule
06-19-2006, 07:36 PM
the marlins aren't going to finish with a hundred loss season. they're probably goining to have a .500 record, have a winning record, or be 15 or less games below five hundred if they play the way they're playing right now. :gt