300 wins relating to innings pitched

[STLCards2]

I recently mentioned this on another thread, but while looking at innings pitched and 300 wins I noticed some interesting things:

Lefty Grove is the only pitcher with fewer than 4,000 innings pitched to win 300 games, and Grove had 3,941 career innings.

BTW...Glavine is at 278 wins and 3,991 IP.

Even more interesting is...not a single pitcher in baseball history with fewer than 3,941 innings pitched even has 270 wins, much less 300. (Randy Johnson will soon be the lone exception)

4,000 innings seems to be a (not the) target number if a very good pitcher has any realistic chance of winnning 300 games.

Thinking about this, and how pampered and injury-prone many current "stars" are (Prior, Wood, Halladay, Beckett, etc.), how does this change our perception of today's young pitcher's chances at 300? Will accumulating innings mean less and less since everybody is under the same bullpen dependent environments? Will 6th inning hooks really cost pitchers that many games? Just throwing out some questions.

[geezer]

Right now, after Glavine and possibly Randy Johnson, there is not going to be another 300 game winner for at least a decade and a half.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I recently mentioned this on another thread, but while looking at innings pitched and 300 wins I noticed some interesting things:

Lefty Grove is the only pitcher with fewer than 4,000 innings pitched to win 300 games, and Grove had 3,941 career innings.

BTW...Glavine is at 278 wins and 3,991 IP.

Even more interesting is...not a single pitcher in baseball history with fewer than 3,941 innings pitched even has 270 wins, much less 300. (Randy Johnson will soon be the lone exception)

4,000 innings seems to be a (not the) target number if a very good pitcher has any realistic chance of winnning 300 games.

Thinking about this, and how pampered and injury-prone many current "stars" are (Prior, Wood, Halladay, Beckett, etc.), how does this change our perception of today's young pitcher's chances at 300? Will accumulating innings mean less and less since everybody is under the same bullpen dependent environments? Will 6th inning hooks really cost pitchers that many games? Just throwing out some questions.
I mentioned on the other thread, Mulder, Hudson, Buehrle, Santana, Oswalt, Sabathia, and yes Halladay. None of these guys have a "pampered" image. All these guys have had start to careers that can lead to 300 wins. Buehrle was the major suprise for me. He already has 88 wins and he's only 26. Also, didn't Clemens, Maddux, Glavine, Johnson all pitch in the five man, pampered, six inning hook era as well. When they broke into the majors in the mid to late 1980s many were already complaining of the "pampered" pitcher then.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

From a previous post of mine:



I looked at all the 300 game winners since WW II to get a gauge at where they were at age 30 in terms of wins. Here is the list:

Maddux 152
Clemens 146
Seaver 146
Sutton 139
Carlton 133
Ryan 122
Spahn 86 (an estimate, retrosheet doesn't have boxcores for the 1951 season)
Perry 76
Niekro 31

The top under 30 guys (Andy Pettitte had 116 wins by age 30)

Mulder 99 (age 28)
Oswalt 87 (age 28)
Buehrle 88 (age 26)
Zito 88 (age 28, on 5/13)
Halladay 82 (age 28)
K. Wood 70 (age 28-yes I know tons of injuries but he somehow has managed to win 70 games. Go figure)
Sabathia 69 (age 25)
Santana 59 (age 26)
Prior 41 (see K. Wood)
Zambrano 48 (age 24)
Beckett 44 (age 24)

That's a pretty good list. Now the guys 25 and under are very speculative of course given their young age. Now, there is no guarantee that any of these guys will win three hundred of course. But I think most of them had have positioned themselves to at least have a chance to make a run 300 wins. I think we'll get a better feel when they are in their early 30s. By then some one the list most assuredly will have fallen off the pace significantly.

[Sockeye]

Even more interesting is...not a single pitcher in baseball history with fewer than 3,941 innings pitched even has 270 wins, much less 300. (Randy Johnson will soon be the lone exception)

Correction. If Randy Johnson makes it to 300 wins (and I think he will) he'll be over 4000 career innings pitched by the time he gets there. During his career he has averaged 1 win every 13.66 IP's. Coming into this season he needed 37 wins to reach 300. At his current pace that will take him another 505.7 IP's He had 3593.7 career IP's coming into this year so he'll be around 4099.3 innings pitched when he reaches 300 wins.

[BoSox Rule]

Pedro will win 300 if he wants.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I think Andy Pettitte has an outside shot at least. He has 172 wins through age 33. I think he'll clear 250 wins at least.