Robb Nen and Billy Koch

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

Is all lost for these two once dominating pitchers?
I don't know about Koch or Nen.
Can someone please tell me a bit more about Koch, I still don't understand what happened to him. I know he retired, but why?

[leecemark]

--I think it was because he couldn't get anybody out anymore. You sure you the right forum though? Nenn is a not likely to get much Hall of Fame support and Koch should get none.

[Zito75]

There is no way Koch is HOF material.
He basically lost all of his control when he was with Chicago.
His ERA and WHIP soared and he started hitting batters.
Total head case.

[KCGHOST]

Koch only appeared in six seasons so he won't even be on the ballot. Hitters were sad to see him to go. If they didn't get a hit it was becaused he walked them first.

Nen only hurled 715 innings and was willing to pitch the 9th inning. His quality numbers are quite good but his quantity numbers are dreadfully low.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Koch only appeared in six seasons so he won't even be on the ballot. Hitters were sad to see him to go. If they didn't get a hit it was becaused he walked them first.

Nen only hurled 715 innings and was willing to pitch the 9th inning. His quality numbers are quite good but his quantity numbers are dreadfully low.
I think the 1990s HoF closers line begins with Rivera and Hoffman...

[Chisox]

--I think it was because he couldn't get anybody out anymore. You sure you the right forum though? Nenn is a not likely to get much Hall of Fame support and Koch should get none.
I think Nen should get consideration for closers (I'd rank him behind Rivera and Hoffman, both whom I'd support, as the best closer over the past 10-15 years--whatever it takes to eliminate Orosco and Franco).
Nen officially retired before the year started.

Koch should get none, and most likely will.

Do you want this in History or Current Events?

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I think Nen should get consideration for closers (I'd rank him behind Rivera and Hoffman, both whom I'd support, as the best closer over the past 10-15 years--whatever it takes to eliminate Orosco and Franco).
Nen officially retired before the year started.

Koch should get none, and most likely will.

Do you want this in History or Current Events?
It doesn't matter, I thought it would be good here.

[Food]

Nen was honored with a plaque at the Giants game Sunday. Real nice intimate ceremony. He stayed for the game, and every time the camera showed him, he was squinting bigger than poop, even though the sun didn't come out through the haze until the middle innings.

[538280]

Sorry, but there is just no point in discussing either of these guys as possible HOFers. Nen was a pretty good reliever, but didn't last long enough. There's just no way anyone should be even mentioning Koch.

[W_Marone]

Billy Koch, didnt he used to be a stellar closer for the A's then he left and just bombed, possibly in Chicago.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Nen did rack up 314 saves in just 10 seasons. At least some argument can be made for Nen. But after Rivera and Hoffman I think the rest of the 1990s crop of relievers will have a very difficult time with the HoF voters.

[RuthMayBond]

Billy Koch, didnt he used to be a stellar closer for the A's then he left and just bombed, possibly in Chicago.He did have one really good year

[Cougar]

Nen is in a group with John Wetteland and Tom Henke, closers who pitched at a very high level for about 10 years, but who retired with probably too few IP to make a serious HOF run. He does deserve consideration, though, so props on bringing him up.

Koch...er, let's put it this way: Setting the ineligibility issue aside, he doesn't have as good a HOF case as Bobby Thigpen.

[Rose4theHall]

A better question is: what happened to Jeff Shaw?

In his final year, he had 43 saves and a 3.62ERA, thats like a Koufax final year but for a reliever!

[538280]

I have to ask-what's going on with this forum? I'm so sick of these threads about active players, because there's really no way to tell at this point. Why can't we go back to talking about older players who have

A)Already retired and finished their career, and
B)Actually have a legitimate shot (Billy Koch? He's no better than literally thousands and thousands of players).

[W_Marone]

I think theyre are plenty of people that have problems with a bunch of peoples opinions on here, I say, if you dont like it, just dont read the forum, its no big deal. Robb Nen used to be nasty.

On the site I use to get stats...it names players of the following of being similar to Nen, by numbers I believe.....
John Wetteland
Tom Henke
Jeff Montgomery
Troy Percival
Todd Worrell
Armando Benitez
Rod Beck
Ugueth Urbina
Bruce Sutter
Gregg Olson

[W_Marone]

As far as Koch, here are players similar to him....

Antonio Alfonseca
Danys Baez
Matt Herges
Bob James
Jerry Dipoto
Eric Gagne
T.J. Mathews
Mel Rojas
Braden Looper
Joey McLaughlin

To even ask the question about Koch is kind of abusurd considering he only pitched six years and in those six years only had one year in which he had 40+ saves (44).

[RedSoxVT92]

Robb Nenn has much more of a shot at the HOF than Koch. Koch only played in 6 seasons with probably only one good season(2000). Besides that year he never got his era lower than 3.27. No were near HOF or even being considered HOF worthy. Robb Nen pitched 10 seasons and has a career era of 2.98. Also has 314 career saves ranked 14 all time in that catogory. Career is too short and didnt accomplish enough to be a HOFer.

[538280]

As far as Koch, here are players similar to him....

Antonio Alfonseca
Danys Baez
Matt Herges
Bob James
Jerry Dipoto
Eric Gagne
T.J. Mathews
Mel Rojas
Braden Looper
Joey McLaughlin

To even ask the question about Koch is kind of abusurd considering he only pitched six years and in those six years only had one year in which he had 40+ saves (44).

I absolutlely agree, the question is completely absurd, and that's why I'm complaining. We've had a huge prepondance of frankly stupid threads about either active players who have only played about 5 years (how can we judge a player after that time?), or players like Koch who I have no idea how anyone could think is a HOFer. He was a pretty good reliever for three years. That's it. He may not be in the top 3000 major league baseball players, and I believe he retired. It is absurd anyone has even brought up his name on this forum.

[runningshoes]

I absolutlely agree, the question is completely absurd, and that's why I'm complaining. We've had a huge prepondance of frankly stupid threads about either active players who have only played about 5 years (how can we judge a player after that time?), or players like Koch who I have no idea how anyone could think is a HOFer. He was a pretty good reliever for three years. That's it. He may not be in the top 3000 major league baseball players, and I believe he retired. It is absurd anyone has even brought up his name on this forum.

You seem to forget that not all the members here are as steeped as you are. There's no need to get angry and yours, and others, reactions sometimes border on arrogance...try educating the younger members instead of making them feel stupid. The fact that Steve is only 13? years old and knows the game as well as he does is quite impressive.

[Captain Cold Nose]

You seem to forget that not all the members here are as steeped as you are. There's no need to get angry and yours, and others, reactions sometimes border on arrogance...try educating the younger members instead of making them feel stupid. The fact that Steve is only 13? years old and knows the game as well as he does is quite impressive.
Glad to see you're regularly posting again, Troy. We missed you for a few weeks.

[runningshoes]

Glad to see you're regularly posting again, Troy. We missed you for a few weeks.

Thanks Cap,

I was on vacation in Mindanao. It was very nice there and I didn't feel I was in danger at any point. I got to swim with a sea turtle which was probably the highlight of the trip.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

You seem to forget that not all the members here are as steeped as you are. There's no need to get angry and yours, and others, reactions sometimes border on arrogance...try educating the younger members instead of making them feel stupid. The fact that Steve is only 13? years old and knows the game as well as he does is quite impressive.
Thanks for backing me up!

[digglahhh]

The thread starter didn't even advocate them for the HOF. He was basically asking for info about the two players and what happened to them.

Perhaps, this was in the wrong forum.

No need to jump down his throat, though.

Wilk, I know that Nen basically sacrficed any chance he had at being a productive pitcher in the future by pitching with all kinds of terrible arm trouble and pain throughthe Giants' run at a championship in 2002. He knew that he would do enough damage to his arm by pitching through it that he wouldn't be able to pitch again. There was a good story about it in Sports Illustrated, last year, I believe. A link was actually posted here at one point. The SF fans appreciated what Nen did and gave him a reat reception last season when they honored him at the park at one point last year.

[538280]

Thanks for backing me up!

I'm sorry if I insulted you, man, but I was just upset about recent trends in this forum and some of the threads recently started (most of them not by you). We've had threads about players like Adrian Beltre, Eric Chavez, and Adam Dunn, and really there's no point in discussing those players because their HOF chances lie totally on what happens in the future. This was just another one of the threads that I found the subject to be ridiculous, so I acted a bit irresponsibly. Sorry if I hurt any feelings.

BTW, I didn't realize you were't advocating Koch for the HOF. Even if you didn't say it in your intial post, I figured since this was in the HOF forum that was your intent. If it wasn't, I'm sorry and I should not have assumed that it was.

[KHenry14]

Even though Robb won a WC with another team, we Giants fans claim him as one of ours! A true class act who pitched his guts out when his arm was literally hanging by a thread. Basically, he earned our respect on and off the field. Truly deserving of the placque he recently was awarded too.

[wilkerson_rulz-06]

I'm sorry if I insulted you, man, but I was just upset about recent trends in this forum and some of the threads recently started (most of them not by you). We've had threads about players like Adrian Beltre, Eric Chavez, and Adam Dunn, and really there's no point in discussing those players because their HOF chances lie totally on what happens in the future. This was just another one of the threads that I found the subject to be ridiculous, so I acted a bit irresponsibly. Sorry if I hurt any feelings.

BTW, I didn't realize you were't advocating Koch for the HOF. Even if you didn't say it in your intial post, I figured since this was in the HOF forum that was your intent. If it wasn't, I'm sorry and I should not have assumed that it was.
Don't worry about it man, you are a very intelligent baseball forumer, anyway, it's fine you didn't hurt my feelings, just ticked me off a bit.

:)