Craig Biggio's run to 3,000!!!!

[geezer]

As of today, Craig Biggio (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=biggicr01) went today he went 4 for 4 with a leadoff shot and scored 2 runs on today's win against the Pirates. And with this game today, Craig Biggio (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=biggicr01) has 2,820 career hits, and is 180 hits shy of becoming the 27th member of the famous 3,000 hit Club, and he also is the 13th member of the 600 2B Club.

We'll gonna say that Biggio (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=biggicr01) is a underrated player as Jeff Bagwell (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=bagweje01), and quietly, Biggio (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=biggicr01) has put those numbers.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Hopefully, Biggio will be able to get 180 hits. He's still got it, but I don't know if he can last.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

I think he's a lock to get to 3000 hits.

[The Dude]

The guy's 40 years old. I think if he has a good year but just falls short of 3,000, he'll probably come back next year, especially if the Astros make it to the playoffs and fall short of the world Series. If the astros for some reason win, I think Biggio might want to just call it quit and go out on top, which IMHO at this point for him would be just as good as 3,000 hits.

[efin98]

Can he get it this season though...

[geezer]

Well, he entered the 2006 season with 205 hits shy of 3,000, yet he has only one 200 hit season, and that was 1998 when he had 210, by the way, he is the only Astro with a 200-hit season.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

I think that Biggio is going to play next year also. He still has most of his skills, and with absense of Clemens I doubt the Astros are going to the WS this year, but hey who knows?

So I think he'll get it in mid-april or early-may of 2007.

[KCGHOST]

The 3,000 will be a nice achievement, but we all know he is an HoFer.

[geezer]

But the resume lacks something special, like say a World Series Ring!!!

[KingJ]

Biggio is also 25 away from becoming the first player to be hit by 300 pitches. He averages about 20 a season so time next year.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well, he entered the 2006 season with 205 hits shy of 3,000, yet he has only one 200 hit season, and that was 1998 when he had 210, by the way, he is the only Astro with a 200-hit season.
I think Biggio will have about 175 hits this season and come back in 2007 for the 30 or he needs.

[john1972]

Yeah, 3/4's of his hits may possibly be collected at home. But who's counting; hits are hits, right?

[efin98]

All things seem to point to next year being his final year: 20 solid years in the big leagues, 3,000 hits, probably another All Star selection.

Frankly even if the Astros don't make it to the post season he has done enough to call it quits with great applause and a guarenteed ticket to Cooperstown- and the first true Houstoner to go in...

[RuthMayBond]

Yeah, 3/4's of his hits may possibly be collected at home. But who's counting; hits are hits, right?You're a little later than expected, Mr. Alomar, but it's good to see you're alive and well :waving

[The Dude]

Yeah, 3/4's of his hits may possibly be collected at home. But who's counting; hits are hits, right?

Biggio actually only collected half of his hits at home.
Biggio at Home: 50%

Which is .4 percent less than Alomar, if you care to know.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well so far Biggio is one "pace" for 225 hits! He has been on fire as of late. He's on my fantasy team and I almost dumped him about a week ago when he was batting about .210. He gave me four 3-hit games last week alone!!! Since last Monday he has gone 12/22 with 2 HR, and 7 RBI. Go Biggio!!!

Hits to 3000: 180

[geezer]

An another thing, the last time the interviewed Biggio, he said that he is focused on getting his 3,000th hit.

[DoubleX]

I don't see Craig Biggio getting to 3000 this year, but as long as he's healthy and wants to come back next year, he should be a lock to get there. But to get to 3000 this year, he'd need 205 hits for the year. Biggio has only once surpassed 200 hits in a year, and that was when he had 210 in 1998. He hasn't had 180 in a year since 2001. So 3000 hits for Biggio almost definitely seems like a 2007 thing.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I don't see Craig Biggio getting to 3000 this year, but as long as he's healthy and wants to come back next year, he should be a lock to get there. But to get to 3000 this year, he'd need 205 hits for the year. Biggio has only once surpassed 200 hits in a year, and that was when he had 210 in 1998. He hasn't had 180 in a year since 2001. So 3000 hits for Biggio almost definitely seems like a 2007 thing.

But he's on pace for 225 hits this year!!!!!!! :crazy

Have some faith! :D

[john1972]

Biggio actually only collected half of his hits at home.
Biggio at Home: 50%

Which is .4 percent less than Alomar, if you care to know.

Since last year, hits at home 114, hits on the road 67.
You're right though. Looking at career numbers is the correct thing to do. My point was he has been an extreme homer the last few seasons. Without the MMP, he shouldn't even be playing.

As for you noting how Biggio is better than Alomar based on a few stats, here's a few stats I'll throw at ya': aren't stats fun?

HOF Monitor.Batting
Alomar-193.5
Biggio-130

HOF Standards.Batting
Alomar-56.8
Biggio-52.5

Career RC/27
Alomar-5.89
Biggio-5.56

Post season OPS
Alomar-.829
Biggio-.620

Defense: According to many, Alomar was one of the greatest fielding secondbaseman of all-time (based on observable data-the past greats, who knows? Who do you ask?). Biggio was not one of the greatest fielding secondbaseman of all-time.

As for Biggio supposedly being hampered by playing in the Astrodome is false. I'm sure he enjoyed hitting all those doubles due to the cavernous outfield. Besides, the last several years playing in MMP has erased any disadvantage.

[john1972]

You're a little later than expected, Mr. Alomar, but it's good to see you're alive and well :waving

I know you're upset over Alomar's folding in the 2001 playoffs. Don't worry, I was too. He actually performed the way you'd expect Biggio to perform in the playoffs that year.

[geezer]

I don't see Craig Biggio getting to 3000 this year, but as long as he's healthy and wants to come back next year, he should be a lock to get there. But to get to 3000 this year, he'd need 205 hits for the year. Biggio has only once surpassed 200 hits in a year, and that was when he had 210 in 1998. He hasn't had 180 in a year since 2001. So 3000 hits for Biggio almost definitely seems like a 2007 thing.


See message #6 of this thread.

[efin98]

But he's on pace for 225 hits this year!!!!!!! :crazy

Have some faith! :D

Faith is one thing, but anyone with any common sense can see he won't get it this year. It would take a miracle to happen for him to keep up with his current pace.

[1905 Giants]

Miracles do happen, like the 1914 Braves

[geezer]

Faith is one thing, but anyone with any common sense can see he won't get it this year. It would take a miracle to happen for him to keep up with his current pace.

REmember he is human, and he is going to cool down midway into the season.

[RuthMayBond]

I know you're upset over Alomar's folding in the 2001 playoffs. Don't worry, I was too.I'm amazed you acknowledged it

<He actually performed the way you'd expect Biggio to perform in the playoffs that year.>

And you do "comedy" too? :clapping :waving

[holyroman]

[QUOTE=john1972]Without the MMP, he shouldn't even be playing.

are we going to let someone get away with a statement as irresponsible as this? you're talking about one of the all-time greats john. If you didn't mean this then you're forgiven otherwise you're just ignorant to baseball

[Captain Cold Nose]

[QUOTE=john1972]Without the MMP, he shouldn't even be playing.

are we going to let someone get away with a statement as irresponsible as this? you're talking about one of the all-time greats john. If you didn't mean this then you're forgiven otherwise you're just ignorant to baseball
He might be joking. He actually has acknowledged Biggio as a great player, he simply thinks Roberto Alomar was better, which is not terribly outlandish.

[geezer]

Biggio last night:

1 for 6, 2B

Hits for 3,000: 179

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Faith is one thing, but anyone with any common sense can see he won't get it this year. It would take a miracle to happen for him to keep up with his current pace.
Ok, but if Biggio does make it I will remind you of this post. Deal? :p

[geezer]

Biggio 4-26-2006 Game:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 178

[Food]

I like Craig Biggio. Always dirty from head-to-toe, looks like a kid in that oversized batting helmet, and plays with one team his whole career. I like it when players play with one team from start to finish.

I'll be raising a glass when Biggio reaches 3,000.

[geezer]

I still have a Baseball Card when he started and he was a catcher, I always loved to be a catcher, but my knees arent helping me.

[geezer]

Biggio 4-29-06:

1 for 4, double (10 for season, 614 career, 10th all time)

Hits for 3,000: 177

[geezer]

Today Biggio is not starting against the Reds.

[geezer]

Biggio 5-1-2006 Game:

2 for 4, double (10 for season, 615 career, 10th all-time), run scored (18, 1,715 career, 24th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 175

[Edgartohof]

Biggio 5-1-2006 Game:

2 for 4, double (10 for season, 616 career, 10th all-time), run scored (18, 1,715 career, 24th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 175

Actually, it was his 11th double of the season, and 615th for his career

[geezer]

Actually, it was his 11th double of the season, and 615th for his career

It is correct, my bad, I will correct this error

[geezer]

Biggio 5-2-2006 Game:

1 for 5, Double (11 for season, 616 career, 10th all-time), run scored (19, 1,716 career, 24th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 174

[geezer]

Biggio 5-3-2006 Game:

1 for 4, 2 runs scored (21 for season, 1,718 career, 24th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 173 (42nd all-time)

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Through 5/3/06:

26. 3000 Roberto Clemente
27. 2987 Sam Rice
28. 2961 Sam Crawford
29. 2943 Frank Robinson
30. 2932 Willie Keeler
31T. 2930 Jake Beckley
31T. 2930 Rogers Hornsby
33. 2927 Al Simmons
34. 2884 Zack Wheat
35. 2880 Frankie Frisch
36. 2876 Mel Ott
37. 2873 Babe Ruth
38. 2866 Harold Baines
39. 2850 Jesse Burkett
40. 2848 Brooks Robinson
41. 2839 Charlie Gehringer
42. 2827 Craig Biggio

[geezer]

Through 5-3-2006:

Doubles:

1. Tris Speaker 792
2. Pete Rose 746
3. Stan Musial 725
4. Ty Cobb 724
5. George Brett 665
6. Nap Lajoie 657
7. Carl Yastrzemski 646
8. Honus Wagner 640
9. Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=aaronha01)624
10. Craig Biggio 616

Runs Scored:

1. Rickey Henderson 2295
2. Ty Cobb 2246
3. Babe Ruth 2175
4. Hank Aaron (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/player.php?p=aaronha01)2174
5. Pete Rose 2165
6. Barry Bond 2078
7. Willie Mays 2062
8. Cap Anson 1996
9. Stan Musial 1949
10. Lou Gehrig 1888
11. Tris Speaker 1882
12. Mel Ott 1859
13. Frank Robinson 1829
14. Eddie Collins 1821
15. Carl Yastrzemski 1816
16. Ted Williams 1798
17. Paul Molitor 1782
18. Charlie Gehringer 1774
19. Jimmie Foxx 1751
20. Honus Wagner 1736
21. Jim O'Rourke 1729
22. Jesse Burkett 1720
23. Willie Keeler 1719
24. Craig Biggio 1718

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-4-2006 Game:

1 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 172

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Biggio's 5-4-2006 Game:

1 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 172
Through 5/4/06:

26. 3000 Roberto Clemente
27. 2987 Sam Rice
28. 2961 Sam Crawford
29. 2943 Frank Robinson
30. 2932 Willie Keeler
31T. 2930 Jake Beckley
31T. 2930 Rogers Hornsby
33. 2927 Al Simmons
34. 2884 Zack Wheat
35. 2880 Frankie Frisch
36. 2876 Mel Ott
37. 2873 Babe Ruth
38. 2866 Harold Baines
39. 2850 Jesse Burkett
40. 2848 Brooks Robinson
41. 2839 Charlie Gehringer
42. 2828 Craig Biggio

[geezer]

Hey Honus Wagner Rules, how's everything, I hope is pretty good, now back to Biggio's Tracker:

Biggio's 5-5-2006 Game at Colorado:

2 for 4, RBI (11 for season, 1,074 for career), 2B (13 for season, 617 career, 10th-all time), run scored (22 for season, 1,719 career, 23th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 170

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-8-2006 at San Francisco:

1 for 4, RBI (12, 1,075 career), 2B (14, 618 career, 10th all-time), run scored (23, 1,720 career, 22nd all-time)


Hits for 3,000: 169

[Rose4theHall]

Through 5-3-2006:

Doubles:

1. Tris Speaker 792
2. Pete Rose 746
3. Stan Musial 725
4. Ty Cobb 724
5. George Brett 665
6. Nap Lajoie 657
7. Carl Yastrzemski 646
8. Honus Wagner 640
9. Hank Aaron 624
10. Craig Biggio 616


heres another milestone: how high can he get in the all time doubles list? If he hits 50 this year like hes on pace to, that will put him about at lajoie's mark, and if he has a solid age 40 year and a decent age 41 he could go as high as 3rd all time.

He's a lock for the Hall for his hitting, durability, and non-roiding in this roid-era. He would have been a sick hitter in any era.

[john1972]

heres another milestone: how high can he get in the all time doubles list? If he hits 50 this year like hes on pace to, that will put him about at lajoie's mark, and if he has a sold age 40 year and a decent age 41 he could go as high as 3rd all time.

He's a lock for the Hall for his hitting, durability, and non-roiding in this roid-era. He would have been a sick hitter in any era.

People often misinterpret the real effects of steroid use. Performance-enhancing drugs have more of a career extending effect than a performance enhancing effect when used properly. Seems to me, Biggio is one of the more suspicious players for possible performance-enhancing drug use.

[RuthMayBond]

People often misinterpret the real effects of steroid use. Performance-enhancing drugs have more of a career extending effect than a performance enhancing effect when used properly. Seems to me, Biggio is one of the more suspicious players for possible performance-enhancing drug use.That, and he's nudging out your homey (didn't work too well for Canseco)

[Edgartohof]

By the end of this season, Biggio should also be the all-time leader in HBP, needing only 12 more to do so (he already has 3 this year), though at the rate Jason Kendall is going, he may eventually pass him.

That takes guts to have this as a par of your game, making it a point to get hit by the ball 20+ times a year, but hey, if it doesn't kill you and it gets you on base...

[john1972]

By the end of this season, Biggio should also be the all-time leader in HBP, needing only 12 more to do so (he already has 3 this year), though at the rate Jason Kendall is going, he may eventually pass him.

That takes guts to have this as a par of your game, making it a point to get hit by the ball 20+ times a year, but hey, if it doesn't kill you and it gets you on base...

While standing over the plate with the help of a little added protection? The ethics of the game don't need to be questioned in this case I guess.

[john1972]

That, and he's nudging out your homey (didn't work too well for Canseco)

Canseco is a case of overuse. If you bothered to learn about the real effects of steroid use you'd realize that with proper use they would have a career extending effect if anything.

[geezer]

Hello Guys, back to the tracker again:

Biggio's 5-9-2006 game at Los Angeles:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 168

[TexCoog]

Geezer, update your signature. Possible decision day for Clemens is now Mid-June

[geezer]

Geezer, update your signature. Possible decision day for Clemens is now Mid-June

How about late-june.

[TexCoog]

How about late-june.

The sooner the better! Even if it's no, do something.

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-10-2006 game at Los Angeles:

1 for 5

Hits for 3000: 167

[TexCoog]

Finally, some press on the topic.

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060509&content_id=1445425&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou

[Honus Wagner Rules]

What is up with Biggio's home/road splits this year?

Home: .346/.388/.577/.965 OPS
Road: .204/.246/.296/.542 OPS :eek:

[Honus Wagner Rules]

On 4/23/06 "The Bee EYE Gee" was hitting .362/.400/.609. He's gone 13/62 (.210 BA) since then. :(

[geezer]

On 4/23/06 "The Bee EYE Gee" was hitting .362/.400/.609. He's gone 13/62 (.210 BA) since then. :(

Well, you have to expect that he is human, and is going to cool down for a while, but we hope is not going to cool down for long we hope.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well, you have to expect that he is human, and is going to cool down for a while, but we hope is not going to cool down for long we hope.
The Bee EYE Gee is on my fantasy team so I hope he get's hot again. :o

[TexCoog]

What is up with Biggio's home/road splits this year?

Home: .346/.388/.577/.965 OPS
Road: .204/.246/.296/.542 OPS :eek:

Wow, first time to see those stats. It seems he really represents the team in that respect. Astros home vs. away is similar.

[john1972]

Biggio back at home so he can rack up those little league shots. Way to go Bidge! Your well on your way to becoming the most overrated player with 3000 hits rivalling Cal Ripken Jr.

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-12-2006 game vs. Colorado:

2 for 5, HR (4, 264 career), RBI (13, 1,076 career), 2 runs scored (25, 1,722 career, 22nd all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 165

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-13-2006 game Vs. Colorado:

1 for 3, 2B (15, 619 career, 10th all-time)

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Biggio back at home so he can rack up those little league shots. Way to go Bidge! Your well on your way to becoming the most overrated player with 3000 hits rivalling Cal Ripken Jr.
Heck no! That would be Lou Brock! :radio

[geezer]

Heck no! That would be Lou Brock! :radio

Hello, Lou Brock was the all-time stolen base leader when he retired.

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-14-2006 game vs. Colorado:

1 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 163

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Hello, Lou Brock was the all-time stolen base leader when he retired.
And what else did he do that was of HoF quality? He was a mediocre contact hitter, struck out way too much and didn't draw enough walks for a leadoff man, and was a terrible defensive outfielder. He had no power at all for most of his career. He is the worst player in the 3,000 hit club.

[1905 Giants]

Biggio back at home so he can rack up those little league shots. Way to go Bidge! Your well on your way to becoming the most overrated player with 3000 hits rivalling Cal Ripken Jr.

How in the world is Ripken that overrated? Yeah, he is overrated, but not by that much.

[geezer]

And what about Rickey Henderson, I think he is a little overrated too in the latter years.

[Lipsander]

I hate the Astros, but Craig Biggio is someone that the young players should model themselves after. I respect him alot. I hope he gets to 3,000.

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-15-06 game vs. San Francisco:

2 for 4, 2B (16, 620 career, 10 th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 161

[RuthMayBond]

Biggio back at home so he can rack up those little league shots.How 'bout you rag on someone whose home park is Coors, or Fenway, or Arlington? Let's forget that Biggio had to put up with the Astrodome for a LONG time

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-20-06 game vs. Texas:

2 for 4, 2B (17, 621 career, 10th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 159

[soberdennis]

Whether he gets it this year or next, he will be the first native of Smithtown, NY to do so, also the first in the HOF.
Read my bio for the reason I mention this.

[Ubiquitous]

How 'bout you rag on someone whose home park is Coors, or Fenway, or Arlington? Let's forget that Biggio had to put up with the Astrodome for a LONG time


Biggio is not the kind of player that would be adversely affected by the Astrodome. He wasn't a flyball slugger. For the most part he was either the same or a little better at home then he was on the road.

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-21-06 game vs. Texas:

1 for 3, 2B (18, 622 career, 10th all-time), run scored (26, 1723 career, 22nd all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 158

[TexCoog]

He had a double yesterday, too. Didn't he?

[geezer]

He had a double yesterday, too. Didn't he?

Yes sir, and he is 2 shy of tying the Hammer for 9th all-time with 624

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-22-2006 game at Washington:

4 for 5, 2B (19, 623 career, 10th all-time), 2 runs (28, 1,725 career, 22nd all-time), 3 RBI (16, 1,079 career)

Hits for 3,000: 154

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-22-2006 game at Washington:

1 for 3

Hits for 3,000: 153

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-27-2006 game at Pittsburgh:

1 for 4, RBI (17, 1,080 career), 2 runs scored (30, 1,727, 22nd all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 152

[geezer]

Biggio's 5-30-06 game at St. Louis:

2 for 4: HR (5, 265 career); 2B (20, 624 career, tied for 9th all-time with Hank Aaron), run (31, 1,728 career, 22nd all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 150

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-2-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

1 for 3

Hits for 3,000: 149

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-3-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

1 for 4, RBI

Hits for 3,000: 148

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-4-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

1 for 3: 2B (21, 625 career, 9th all-time), run (32, 1,729, 21st all-time)


Hits for 3,000: 147

[J W]

He's gonna do it, he's gonna do it next season, and he's gonna do it all in the same uniform.

I'm really feeling positive about this! It'll be the first time people by age will remember someone, from his first MLB hits, to hit #3000. I could've sworn six years ago it would be Alomar and not Biggio.

:clapping

BTW--in case anyone's paying attention Trevor Hoffman is closing in on Lee Smith's save record (447, 31 back), and after that save #500. Anyone want to pick up the Hoffman chase?

[geezer]

[QUOTE=J W]He's gonna do it, he's gonna do it next season, and he's gonna do it all in the same uniform.

I'm really feeling positive about this! It'll be the first time people by age will remember someone, from his first MLB hits, to hit #3000. I could've sworn six years ago it would be Alomar and not Biggio.

:clapping

QUOTE]

I thought the same thing.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

Biggio is not the kind of player that would be adversely affected by the Astrodome. He wasn't a flyball slugger. For the most part he was either the same or a little better at home then he was on the road.

Good point. Bagwell would have been much more affected by the Astrodome than Biggio. Minute Maid is absurd imo. Those boxes should be removed down the left field line.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Good point. Bagwell would have been much more affected by the Astrodome than Biggio. Minute Maid is absurd imo. Those boxes should be removed down the left field line.

Absolutely! The Astros got permission to make the left fielder line shorter than league requirements. I believe the minimum requirements today for new ballparks is 335-385-400-385-335. I'm not 100% sure on these dimensions, though.

[geezer]

Absolutely! The Astros got permission to make the left fielder line shorter than league requirements. I believe the minimum requirements today for new ballparks is 335-385-400-385-335. I'm not 100% sure on these dimensions, though.

Most of the new stadium post-1992, were loosely most of them based on the design of Camden Yards.

[holyroman]

Absolutely! The Astros got permission to make the left fielder line shorter than league requirements. I believe the minimum requirements today for new ballparks is 335-385-400-385-335. I'm not 100% sure on these dimensions, though.

then don't post them!! most parks don't have a 22 foot wall either. and no parks have 435 foot center field wall. so that is the give and the take, also some pretty stout power alleys!

and you want to talk about short porches ,, nobody talks about barry bonds set up down the right field line what is that 307??

[john1972]

then don't post them!! most parks don't have a 22 foot wall either. and no parks have 435 foot center field wall. so that is the give and the take, also some pretty stout power alleys!

and you want to talk about short porches ,, nobody talks about barry bonds set up down the right field line what is that 307??

Difference is many of Barry's shots were deposited into McCovey's cove whereas Biggio's shots were into the first few rows of the Crawford Boxes. The similiarity between these two, however, is they both exploited arm protection for the majority of their careers. It's as close to cheating as you can get. Ask the pitchers around the league how they feel about arm protection.

[holyroman]

i didn't know we were talking about biggio's homerun prowess, i don't know how you got there from this thread.

you're premise about "armor" is ridiculous.
as close to cheating as you can get. in biggio's case it is a defensive measure. he has always (less so now though) had a high leg kick to start his swing. once he starts he can noy get out of the way of pitches running at him.

i personally think batting gloves are as close to cheating as you can get. oh and sweating too.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

then don't post them!! most parks don't have a 22 foot wall either. and no parks have 435 foot center field wall. so that is the give and the take, also some pretty stout power alleys!

and you want to talk about short porches ,, nobody talks about barry bonds set up down the right field line what is that 307??
I can't post what I want, so there! :p AT&T park actually has a 309' right field line, not 307. And the ball doesn't carry well at all down the right field line. Very few HRs are hit down the line. AT&T is a very good pitcher's park.

[yankillaz]

Good. A very nice guy and excellent player. 3000.

George Brett, Robin Yount, Tony Gwynn and Cal Ripken Jr have been the last players to hit 3000 hits with one same team. Biggio is going to be the next. That's quite a feat. Only Jeter and Helton seem destined for that, and Pujols.

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-6-2006 game vs. Chicago Cubs:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 146

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-7-2006 game Vs. Chicago Cubs:

1 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 145

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-8-2006 game Vs. Atlanta:

1 for 4, 2B (22, 626 career, 9th all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 144

[holyroman]

i think Biggio is also the active leader in hits now. I guess bonds would be on that list too, who else?

[Honus Wagner Rules]

i think Biggio is also the active leader in hits now. I guess bonds would be on that list too, who else?
Top 5 (as of 6/9/06):

1. Biggio (2856)
2. Bonds (2775)
3. Franco (2532)
4. Finley (2471)
5. Sheffield (2383)

[PopTop]

Yeah, 3/4's of his hits may possibly be collected at home. But who's counting; hits are hits, right?From 2003-05, Bidge had 500 hits even, 53% at home and 47% on the road. With a 34 home/27 road game split so far this year, about 67% of his hits have come in Houston. Bidge didn't start in eight of the 27 road games so far this year, so in terms of playing time, he's on about the same hits-at-home/road split that he was from 2003-05.

Whether or not he reaches 3,000 hits shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not he makes the Hall of Fame. Whether or not the Astros win a World Series with him shouldn't have any bearing. The fact he's been among the top few percent of his peers for so long, that should be the deciding factor.

[geezer]

And Biggio is a quiet player, and a example for the community.

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-9-2006 vs. Atlanta:

2 for 5, HR (6, 266 career), 2 runs scored (34, 1,731 career, 21st all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 142

[geezer]

Craig Biggio's 6-11-06 vs. Atlanta Braves:

3 for 4, RBI (23, 1,086 career), 2B (23, 627 career, 9th all time), 2 runs scored (36, 1,733 career, 21st all-time)

Hits for 3,000: 139

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-14-2006 game @ Chicago:

2 for 5, 2 RBI (25, 1,088 career)

Hits for 3,000: 137

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-16-2006 game vs. Kansas City:

1 for 4, 2 RBI (27, 1,090 career)

Hits for 3,000: 135

[Sweet Lou]

This may have been covered already, but what are his chances at making it this year? Even remotely possible, or not?

[geezer]

This may have been covered already, but what are his chances at making it this year? Even remotely possible, or not?


Probably not, he is the only Astro to have a 200-hit season in the 45 year history of the team, but hey, we can carry this to next season. :)

[pacewon]

This may have been covered already, but what are his chances at making it this year? Even remotely possible, or not?

Unfortunately, not really. He's on pace to finish this season with 170 hits, which would put him at 2965. He would need to finish with 205 hits to reach 3,000 this year, and he's only reached the 200-hit mark in a season one time in his career (1998).

It's not impossible, just looking very unlikely.

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-18 game vs. Kansas City:

1 for 5, 2B (24, 628 career, 9th all-time), run scored (38, 1,735 career)

Hits for 3,000: 135

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-20-2006 game vs. Minnesota:

2 for 5, run scored

Hits for 3,000: 133

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-23-2006 game @ Chicago White Sox:

1 for 4, run scored

Hits for 3,000: 132

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-25-2006 game @ Chicago White Sox:

2 for 7, RBI, Run Scored

Hits for 3,000: 130

Nex time I should post this after the game ends, I thought well Houston leading 9-5 with 2 outs in the 9th was over, not!!!

[john1972]

Biggio's 6-25-2006 game @ Chicago White Sox:

2 for 5, RBI, Run Scored

Hits for 3,000: 130

Nex time I should post this after the game ends, I thought well Houston leading 9-5 with 2 outs in the 9th was over, not!!!

Yeah he's 2 for 6 now, with a couple of cheap singles, and 3 k's. 10 more k's and he'll reach 1600 for his career. Another milestone.

[geezer]

Biggio's 6-27-2006 game @ Detroit:

2 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 128 (one step closer to the Babe)

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-2-2006 game @ Texas:

2 for 3, RBI (29), run scored, 2B (25)

Hits for 3,000: 126

[Edgartohof]

And he just passed little known Mr. Herman on the all-time hits list - good for him. Maybe this will bring to light some of the Herm's accomplishments.

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-3-2006 game vs. Chicago Cubs:

2 for 5, HR (7), RBI (30), 2 runs scored (44)

Hits for 3,000: 124

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-4-2006 game vs. Chicago Cubs:

2 for 4, RBI (31), run scored (45)

Hits for 3,000: 122

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-5-2006 game vs. Chicago Cubs:

3 for 5, 2B (26, 630 career)

Hits for 3,000: 119

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-6-2006 game vs. St. Louis:

1 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 118

[john1972]

We're waiting...the little bugger's been on a tear these past several games. He sure does like his home cooking!

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-8-2006 game vs. St. Louis:

1 for 1, HR (8) 3 RBI (34), 3 runs scored (48)

Hits for 3,000: 117

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-15-2006 game @ Florida:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 116

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-19-2006 game @ Chicago Cubs:

1 for 4, HR (9)

Hits for 3,000: 115

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-23-2006 game @ NY Mets:

1 for 1

Hits for 3,000: 114

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-26-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

3 for 4, HR (10) 2 RBI (38), 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 111

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-27-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

3 for 5, 2B (27, 631 career), run scored

Hits for 3,000: 108

[Skin & Bones]

HOFER regardless if he reaches that milestone or not. But it would make his resume look " better ".

[geezer]

And also to have more than 650 doubles and 1,850 runs scored.

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-28-2006 game vs. Arizona:

2 for 6

Hits for 3,000: 106

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-29-2006 game vs. Arizona:

1 for 4, HR (11), RBI (39), run scored

Hits for 3,000: 105

[geezer]

Biggio's 7-30-2006 game vs. Arizona:

1 for 4

Hits for 3,000: 104

[SamtheBravesFan]

Inching along there. :) Go Craig! :D

[holyroman]

where you at Geezer, Biggio had 2 HR's last night 8-2-06

[SamtheBravesFan]

Biggio never ceases to amaze me. :eek:

[plask_stirlac]

The Astros fell so far off the "radar" I didn't know Biggio was still so scorching.

Correction: He had a good July but not from his early .400 hot streak to the end of July, apparently, and outside of the homers slumped from the All-Star break. He still looks about the same as 2004 and 2005 for the season, though. Hard work pays off!

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-2-2006 game @ San Diego:

2 for 5, 2 HR (13), 2 RBI (41), 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 102

Sorry for posting this late, I had to wake up early at 4 AM to go to a medical appointment, I saw the stats about 5 minutes ago.

[john1972]

The Astros fell so far off the "radar" I didn't know Biggio was still so scorching.

Correction: He had a good July but not from his early .400 hot streak to the end of July, apparently, and outside of the homers slumped from the All-Star break. He still looks about the same as 2004 and 2005 for the season, though. Hard work pays off!

Hard work and a little boost, so to speak, every now and then.

[holyroman]

Hard work and a little boost, so to speak, every now and then.
you are a troll. plain and simple get out of this thread if you want to make allegations do it in a new thread. we all know you are an alomar over biggio guy, thats great, your opinion now go get a life.:mad: you don't have to be a hater

[Captain Cold Nose]

you are a troll. plain and simple get out of this thread if you want to make allegations do it in a new thread. we all know you are an alomar over biggio guy, thats great, your opinion now go get a life.:mad: you don't have to be a hater
It's not your place to tell anyone to leave anywhere on this site.
We all know you're an Astro fan. That doesn't mean you have to take every non-glowing post about your team or its players personally, which you seem to do.

[holyroman]

this is not the post to throw out steroid accusations. If he wants to do that I suggested he start a new thread. look back thru this thread at every post he has made they are all bating. sorry for feeding the trolls as they say but this guy makes a point to do nothing but pull this thread off topic to bash Biggio. We know he has a chip on his shoulder because Biggio might get in the hall before Alomar. I think they both belong. but I don't have to thread-jack a positive thread about one of the great guys in the game and his current accomplishments to make myself feel better about my opinions.

[Captain Cold Nose]

this is not the post to throw out steroid accusations. If he wants to do that I suggested he start a new thread. look back thru this thread at every post he has made they are all bating. sorry for feeding the trolls as they say but this guy makes a point to do nothing but pull this thread off topic to bash Biggio. We know he has a chip on his shoulder because Biggio might get in the hall before Alomar. I think they both belong. but I don't have to thread-jack a positive thread about one of the great guys in the game and his current accomplishments to make myself feel better about my opinions.
I'll look through the thread to find what you're talking about. I know he has claimed in other threads he believe Biggio is a HOF'er, but he feels Alomar is better. I can see that argument.
Either way, this is a thread about what Biggio is accomplishing. I should have said this before but I will say this now. Cheap shots and unsubstantiated accusations will not be tolerated and will be removed upon review.

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-4-2006 game @ Arizona:

1 for 6, HR (14)

Hits for 3,000: 101

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-5-2006 game @ Arizona:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 100

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-8-2006 game vs. Pittsburgh:

1 for 4, HR (15), RBI, 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 99

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-9-2006 game vs. Pittsburgh:

2 for 4, HR (16), RBI, 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 97

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-10-2006 game vs. Pittsburgh:

1 for 4, 2B (28), run scored

Hits for 3,000: 96

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-11-2006 game vs. San Diego:

1 for 4, 2B (29), run scored

Hits for 3,000: 95

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-16-2006 game vs. Chicago Cubs:

1 for 1, pinch hit single

Hits for 3,000: 94

[strosfan]

I don't know about anyone else, but I like Biggio at the lead-off spot. Taveras should be considered our 2-hole "bunter". Biggio was on fire during the west coast road trip -then he got moved to the 2-hole.
Yes, I respect the current hitting streak of Taveras (I think he's swinging with his eyes closed)but I hate taking the bat out of Biggio's hands!

[john1972]

I don't know about anyone else, but I like Biggio at the lead-off spot. Taveras should be considered our 2-hole "bunter". Biggio was on fire during the west coast road trip -then he got moved to the 2-hole.
Yes, I respect the current hitting streak of Taveras (I think he's swinging with his eyes closed)but I hate taking the bat out of Biggio's hands!

You sure it's not the other way around? With eyes closed, I mean. Anyways, here's a video that should immortalize Biggio forever. I think it shows him in a good light!
ht tp:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f7guUDRBPQ

[bama50]

This guy is the most under-rated guy in all of baseball. A Hall of Famer without a doubt.

[geezer]

This guy is the most under-rated guy in all of baseball. A Hall of Famer without a doubt.

And speaking of underrated players, I think that is sad that Bagwell is injured and cant play more.

[john1972]

And speaking of underrated players, I think that is sad that Bagwell is injured and cant play more.

You missed 1 for 4, 2 runs scored the other night. 93 to go.

[cbenson5]

And speaking of underrated players, I think that is sad that Bagwell is injured and cant play more.

Bagwell compiled an excellent career, but he very well might have made a run at some serious milestones if not for his shoulder injury.

[geezer]

You missed 1 for 4, 2 runs scored the other night. 93 to go.

My Bad, I didnt have internet connection all Thursday and Friday, thanx for the help.

Biggio's 8-17-2006 game @ Milwaukee:

1 for 4, 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 93

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-24-2006 game @ Pittsburgh:

1 for 4, RBI

Hits for 3,000: 92

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-26-2006 game @ Pittsburgh:

1 for 4, run scored

Hits for 3,000: 91

[Sweet Lou]

If he can go 3 for 4 every game the rest of this season, then we won't have to worry about it next year! :D :laugh
Go Craig! :clapping

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-29-2006 game vs. Milwaukee:

1 for 4, HR (17), 2 RBI, 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 90

[strosfan]

I know he's happy to be back in the juicebox! Rough road trip...

[Mariano_Rivera]

Biggio's 8-29-2006 game vs. Milwaukee:

1 for 4, HR (17), 2 RBI, 2 runs scored

Hits for 3,000: 90
Good Luck to the master of the little stats. :clapping

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-30-2006 game vs. Milwaukee:

2 for 4, 2B (30)

Hits for 3,000: 88

[geezer]

Biggio's 8-31-2006 game vs. Milwaukee:

1 for 4, 2-run HR (18)

Hits for 3,000: 87

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-1-2006 game vs. New York Mets:

2 for 5, RBI (50), 2B (31), run scored

Hits for 3,000: 85

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-2-2006 game vs. New York Mets:

1 for 4, 2B (32)

Hits for 3,000: 84

[JimAbbott]

Biggio is greatness. Biggio is 1st ballot Hall of famer. I only hope that the Astros bring him back next year to finish out his career in Houston. Biggio is a last of a breed spending nearly 20 seasons on the same club. Who else is close to that?

Well, let's recap Biggio's career #s up to the minute:

2916 hits, 84 shy of the big mark. figure he gets to 2950 by year end, then easy 3K next year. by year end he should move into 29th place ahead of Frank Robby with 2944

636 doubles....does anyone realize how large that number is? it's good enough for 9th all time. He needs 5 more to pass Honus Wagner for 8th and 11 more to pass Yaz for 7th. Next year he will likely pass Brett and Nap Lajoie for 5 all time. no small feat folks. So the only dudes ahead of him when he hangs it up will be Speaker, Rose, Cobb and Musial. How about that?

17th career ABs

19th Runs scored

27th Games played

Who would have thought 10 years ago that Bigg would have #s like these and HOF status? Not I. I love the man as I love greatness. Biggio is greatness

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Biggio is greatness. Biggio is 1st ballot Hall of famer. I only hope that the Astros bring him back next year to finish out his career in Houston. Biggio is a last of a breed spending nearly 20 seasons on the same club. Who else is close to that?
This has NEVER been common, even in the "good old days". How many players have played for 20+ years and played for only one team?
[/QUOTE]

[geezer]

This has NEVER been common, even in the "good old days". How many players have played for 20+ years and played for only one team?
[/QUOTE]

Rather, who played over 20 years in the same team over the last 35 years.

Only Brett, Yount, and Ripken came to mind.

[JimAbbott]

I said nearly 20 years not over. We could make a list and it wont be that short. biggio in his 19th season now

[john1972]

BOOM! In to the Crawford Boxes.

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-17-2006 game vs. Philadelphia:

1 for 4, HR (19)

Hits for 3,000: 83

[Sweet Lou]

I said nearly 20 years not over. We could make a list and it wont be that short. biggio in his 19th season now
Edgar spent 18 years with Seattle, not quite 20, but close enough for me. :)
But back to Biggio. He was in a real funk there for a bit...he was hitless in his last 28 at-bats as of last night. I'm glad he's back.
So much for reaching 3000 this year. :D

[geezer]

Edgar spent 18 years with Seattle, not quite 20, but close enough for me. :)
But back to Biggio. He was in a real funk there for a bit...he was hitless in his last 28 at-bats as of last night. I'm glad he's back.
So much for reaching 3000 this year. :D

He was on a 0 for 30 slump before that homer.

[JimAbbott]

I have an image of a guy limping to the finish line

[geezer]

I have an image of a guy limping to the finish line

Happens to most players, where they reach 40

[PopTop]

I have an image of a guy limping to the finish lineI have an image of a complete ballplayer who goes all-out on every play still to this day.

[bama50]

He has really represented what is good about baseball. He's a team player and wants what is best for his team at all times.

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-18-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

1 for 4, RBI (52)

Hits for 3,000: 82

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-19-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 81

[john1972]

He has really represented what is good about baseball. He's a team player and wants what is best for his team at all times.

Hearsay...doesn't necessarily coincide with what I've heard. It seems Biggio is usually the recipient of the "good guy" image.

[MyDogSparty]

This has NEVER been common, even in the "good old days". How many players have played for 20+ years and played for only one team?



Here's an answer to your question: Technically 16 players have lasted at least 20 season with only one MLB franchise.

Robinson, Brooks 23 seasons
Yastrzemski, Carl 23
Kaline, Al 22
Musial, Stan 22
Ott, Mel 22
Brett, George 21
Johnson, Walter 21
Lyons, Ted 21
Ripken jr, Cal 21
Stargell, Willie 21
Appling, Luke 20
Faber, Red 20
Gwynn, Tony 20
Harder, Mel 20
Trammell, Alan 20
Yount, Robin 20

NOTES: Assuming Gwynn and Ripken jr get put in the Hall of Fame (HOF) only two players out of the 16 will NOT be in the HOF. Guys like Bob Feller, Ted Williams, Ernie Banks would have probably done it too if it hadn't been for the wars taking years out their careers. Lou Gehrig would have probably done it if not for ALS and Roberto Clemente may have had a shot if not for his plane accident. Players like Sadaharu Oh, Tetsuharu Kawakami, and Yutaka Fukumoto have done it in Japan. John Smoltz is currently in his 18th season in Atlanta. He's a lot like Jim Palmer who played 19 years for Baltimore in that they both missed a complete season in the middle of their careers due to injury, otherwise they may have done it given Smoltz comes back for a 19th year next season. The list is relatively short but it does seem like it's harder to stay with one franchise your entire career due to the termination of the reserve clause and the advent of free agency. Biggio would be the first secondbaseman to make the list.

Here are the MLB players with 19 years with the same franchise:
Banks, Ernie
Concepcion, Dave
Gehringer, Charlie
Larkin, Barry
Palmer, Jim
Whitaker, Lou
Williams, Ted
Biggio, Craig

Here are the MLB players with 18 years with the same franchise:
Bluege, Ossie
Clemente, Roberto
Feller, Bob
Kranepool, Ed
Mantle, Mickey
Martinez, Edgar
McPhee, Bid
Russell, Bill
Schmidt, Mike
White, Frank
Smoltz, John

Here are the MLB players with 17 years with the same franchise:
Bench, Johnny
Crosetti, Frankie
Dickey, Bill
Gantner, Jim
Gehrig, Lou
Gibson, Bob
Mazeroski, Bill
Traynor, Pie

Steve Yzerman recently accomplished 20+ seasons with only one franchise in the NHL and when he was asked what it meant to him, he said he was proud of it but it was really a matter of luck and timing. I tend to think that's very true for everyone on the list.

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-20-2006 game vs. Cincinnati:

1 for 4, HR (20), 3 RBI (55)

Hits for 3,000: 80

[nolanryan5714]

I have an image of a guy limping to the finish line

Wow, that's a pretty crappy thing to say about someone of Craig's stature and character.

Did you know he's the only player in MLB history with at least 600 doubles, 250 homers, 2,700 hits and 400 stolen bases? Just FYI.


I'm saddened to see him dip below .250 this season, but I'm not complaining one bit. He's a hero.

[strosfan]

Wow, that's a pretty crappy thing to say about someone of Craig's stature and character.

Did you know he's the only player in MLB history with at least 600 doubles, 250 homers, 2,700 hits and 400 stolen bases? Just FYI.


I'm saddened to see him dip below .250 this season, but I'm not complaining one bit. He's a hero.


WELL SAID!! I was fortunate enough to miss work yesterday to attend what could be Rocket's last game and when he turned to Bidge and they tipped their caps to each other - it gave me goose bumps. There wasn't a dry eye in the place.

[Captain Cold Nose]

WELL SAID!! I was fortunate enough to miss work yesterday to attend what could be Rocket's last game and when he turned to Bidge and they tipped their caps to each other - it gave me goose bumps. There wasn't a dry eye in the place.
I would have loved to have seen that.

[nolanryan5714]

WELL SAID!! I was fortunate enough to miss work yesterday to attend what could be Rocket's last game and when he turned to Bidge and they tipped their caps to each other - it gave me goose bumps. There wasn't a dry eye in the place.
Thank you, Strosfan, and I envy you for being at the game. I'm happy for you.

Speaking of Clemens and Biggio, check out the ARTICLE ON THAT GAME (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060920&content_id=1672806&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou), then click the link to Rocket's press conference. At around 3:45 until 4:30 during that vid, Roger raves about how much Bidge puts into the game every time out, and how nobody can understand how great Craig's work ethic is.

What an incredible endorsement!!!

[SamtheBravesFan]

I have an image of a guy limping to the finish line

So? What's your point?

[Sweet Lou]

Thank you, Strosfan, and I envy you for being at the game. I'm happy for you.

Speaking of Clemens and Biggio, check out the ARTICLE ON THAT GAME (http://houston.astros.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20060920&content_id=1672806&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou), then click the link to Rocket's press conference. At around 3:45 until 4:30 during that vid, Roger raves about how much Bidge puts into the game every time out, and how nobody can understand how great Craig's work ethic is.

What an incredible endorsement!!!
Great article, I got goosebumps reading it. Thanks for that.
Lou

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-22-2006 game vs. St. Louis:

3 for 5, 2B (33), 3 RBI (58), run scored

Hits for 3,000: 77

[john1972]

In think the reality is if it wasn't for his home park he would have been forced to retire a while ago. I don't respect players who can't perform adequately on the road. It's the sign of a player who can't rise above the reality of their immediate circumstance and perform the way they are capable. That pretty much sums up how this guy has performed in the playoffs, doesn't it?

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-23-2006 game vs. St. Louis:

1 for 5, run scored

Hits for 3,000: 76

[holyroman]

you are a joke john. look up what he has done the last couple of years in the playoffs then come back to class

biggio's better than alomar...biggio's better than alomar...biggio's better than alomar! nah nah nahnah anah.

i feel like i'm on your level now. like i'm in kindergarden. too bad there is not a post about alomar's current accomplishments on here so i can crap on it like a baby.

with all respect you need to get a life. baseball is about being a fan. let the people who come to this post to acknowledge one of the all time greats strive for a record do it in peace.

[SamtheBravesFan]

you are a joke john. look up what he has done the last couple of years in the playoffs then come back to class

I think he still has the mid-late 90s Braves-Padres debacles seared deeeeeeeep within the confines of his brain. :crazy

[john1972]

you are a joke john. look up what he has done the last couple of years in the playoffs then come back to class

biggio's better than alomar...biggio's better than alomar...biggio's better than alomar! nah nah nahnah anah.

i feel like i'm on your level now. like i'm in kindergarden. too bad there is not a post about alomar's current accomplishments on here so i can crap on it like a baby.

with all respect you need to get a life. baseball is about being a fan. let the people who come to this post to acknowledge one of the all time greats strive for a record do it in peace.

I am only speaking the truth. To be fair, he did have some isolated moments in the past few playoffs where his abilities did shine through somewhat. Namely a few doubles pulled down the line, and the odd homerun into those wonderful Crawford Boxes. I especially enjoyed the dinger where he had a second chance in the same at bat. Remember that one? Too bad that the further his team progressed in the playoffs, the worse his performance became. Face the facts: the guy was a chump in the playoffs and he couldn't hold Alomar's jockstrap in a game of meaning at any time. Well at least he'll be able to say he stuck around long enough to get the AB's necessary to reach 3000 hits. Nice PERSONAL accomplishment!

[SamtheBravesFan]

Face the facts: the guy was a chump in the playoffs and he couldn't hold Alomar's jockstrap in a game of meaning at any time.

Aha, here is the real reason for the rage. :D

[john1972]

Aha, here is the real reason for the rage. :D

But I am just trying to illustrate that their respective playoff performances are a strong indication to the qualitative differences between the two. I simply can't understand how people don't recognize this fact. Instead, they say well "look at the career totals Biggio racked up over Alomar. He must be better!" You simply can't convince people of reality when they refuse to see it for what it is.

[EvanAparra]

Even though Alomar was most likely a better player, that shouldnt take away from Biggio's accomplishments. Get out of this thread if you are just in here to bash him. Thats not what this is for.

[john1972]

Even though Alomar was most likely a better player, that shouldnt take away from Biggio's accomplishments. Get out of this thread if you are just in here to bash him. Thats not what this is for.

I'm not really trying to bash him; just trying to point out his shortcomings. I realize he will attain a milestone few have attained and will end up in the HOF. Things still need to be kept in perspective though.

[EvanAparra]

Why do you feel the need to point out his shortcomings? Is that what you do, do into every thread made to follow a play in his quest for a great milestone and tell everyone why hes not that good, or why someone else is better?

[john1972]

Why do you feel the need to point out his shortcomings? Is that what you do, do into every thread made to follow a play in his quest for a great milestone and tell everyone why hes not that good, or why someone else is better?

Okay fine. He was and still is an extraordinary talent. His skill with the bat is evident in the stats, his glovework an artistic masterpiece with every display, and he ran the bases with elusive precision. He guided his team through the best of times and the worst of times, and led them to the grandest stage where he performed in their honor.

[EvanAparra]

Okay fine. He was and still is an extraordinary talent. His skill with the bat is evident in the stats, his glovework an artistic masterpiece with every display, and he ran the bases with elusive precision. He guided his team through the best of times and the worst of times, and led them to the grandest stage where he performed in their honor.

Okay, thats better... :laugh :laugh

lame...

[SamtheBravesFan]

*slaps a NO SARCASM sign on the thread* :laugh

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-24-2006 game vs. St. Louis:

2 for 5, run scored

Hits for 3,000: 74

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-26-2006 game @ Pittsburgh:

1 for 4, 3 RBI (58)

Hits for 3,000: 73

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-27-2006 game @ Pittsburgh:

1 for 6, run scored

Hits for 3,000: 72

[john1972]

A cheap HBP, a cheap HR. Nothing new. The Astros take a deep blow to their playoff chances, though. Too bad, as I would have liked to see Biggio "perform" in the real season once again.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Biggio's homer today wasn't much of a cheapie, now was it, Mr. I love Roberto Alomar so much?

EDIT: john, I'm starting to thnk your disdain for Biggio borders on the irrational. You're just looking like an idiot making snide comments about Craig that few, if anyone, agree with you.

[runningshoes]

I'm not really trying to bash him; just trying to point out his shortcomings. I realize he will attain a milestone few have attained and will end up in the HOF. Things still need to be kept in perspective though.

We need to keep things in your perspective?

not likely.

[EvanAparra]

A cheap HBP, a cheap HR. Nothing new. The Astros take a deep blow to their playoff chances, though. Too bad, as I would have liked to see Biggio "perform" in the real season once again.

Cheap HR.....you're stretching it now, and you're making yourself look foolish.

[john1972]

Biggio's homer today wasn't much of a cheapie, now was it, Mr. I love Roberto Alomar so much?

EDIT: john, I'm starting to thnk your disdain for Biggio borders on the irrational. You're just looking like an idiot making snide comments about Craig that few, if anyone, agree with you.

Okay, I'll relent. The cheap HR comment only applies when he's at home. I was simply trying to achieve symmetry with the comment about the cheap HBP. You do accept that he collected another cheap HBP, don't you?

And just to clear things up, I don't disapprove of him as a player simply because I admire Alomar. The main factors for my dislike lie completely within Biggio as a player.

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-29-2006 game @ Atlanta:

1 for 3, HR (21)

Hits for 3,000: 71

[SamtheBravesFan]

Okay, I'll relent. The cheap HR comment only applies when he's at home. I was simply trying to achieve symmetry with the comment about the cheap HBP. You do accept that he collected another cheap HBP, don't you?

And just to clear things up, I don't disapprove of him as a player simply because I admire Alomar. The main factors for my dislike lie completely within Biggio as a player.

I wouldn't exactly call hit by pitches cheap. That's just a consequence of the way a batter bats and positions himself in the batter's box, is it not?

And I will say this. If Roberto Alomar is going to get noticed again right now, then someone in the media has to figure out that he was better than Biggio and ride it. Because the only way that Alomar is going to get any play in the media right now is if they talk about the spitting incident.

[EvanAparra]

Okay, I'll relent. The cheap HR comment only applies when he's at home. I was simply trying to achieve symmetry with the comment about the cheap HBP. You do accept that he collected another cheap HBP, don't you?

And just to clear things up, I don't disapprove of him as a player simply because I admire Alomar. The main factors for my dislike lie completely within Biggio as a player.

Cheap HBP? So i guess its just a big coincidence that hes the all time HBP leader? Maybe its because he doesnt get out of the way because he wants to get on base, because he doesnt mind taking one (or 300) for the team. I love a player that will put his body on the line for a team, yeah, real cheap.

[john1972]

Cheap HBP? So i guess its just a big coincidence that hes the all time HBP leader? Maybe its because he doesnt get out of the way because he wants to get on base, because he doesnt mind taking one (or 300) for the team. I love a player that will put his body on the line for a team, yeah, real cheap.

You've been duped my friend. Taking one for the team? On that oversized arm protector where the vast majority of his HBP's land. Why do people insist on being fooled into believing one interpretation of reality, in this case that Biggio is a throwback, gritty type player, when quite the opposite situation is the actual case.

[john1972]

And I will say this. If Roberto Alomar is going to get noticed again right now, then someone in the media has to figure out that he was better than Biggio and ride it. Because the only way that Alomar is going to get any play in the media right now is if they talk about the spitting incident.

It's the main reason why fools are in charge of deciding who were the actual best players from a certain generation. I will say this: if in the future the official interpretation of who was the best second baseman of the nineties holds that it was Biggio, then history will have been distorted. Certainly not the first time history will have been distorted, nor the last time. I suspect much of our views of baseball's past is also distorted in certain cases.

[SamtheBravesFan]

It's the main reason why fools are in charge of deciding who were the actual best players from a certain generation. I will say this: if in the future the official interpretation of who was the best second baseman of the nineties holds that it was Biggio, then history will have been distorted. Certainly not the first time history will have been distorted, nor the last time. I suspect much of our views of baseball's past is also distorted in certain cases.

So... because Roberto Alomar isn't seen as the best second baseman of the 90s at this moment... this is a problem?

[Mariano_Rivera]

Cheap HBP? So i guess its just a big coincidence that hes the all time HBP leader? Maybe its because he doesnt get out of the way because he wants to get on base, because he doesnt mind taking one (or 300) for the team. I love a player that will put his body on the line for a team, yeah, real cheap.
Admittedly, I doubt that has as much to do with his positioning as his luck.

I almost wish Biggio would retire now without 3,000 hits, sometimes it's almost painful to watch HoFers hang on like this. BTW would you put him ahead or behind Jeff Bagwell?

[john1972]

Admittedly, I doubt that has as much to do with his positioning as his luck

It has to do with him breaking the rules of baseball by not avoiding the pitch, WHILE wearing arm protection that is also a rules violation if I'm not mistaken.

[john1972]

So... because Roberto Alomar isn't seen as the best second baseman of the 90s at this moment... this is a problem?

If you wish to be decieved into believing that is the case, then go right ahead.

[EvanAparra]

It has to do with him breaking the rules of baseball by not avoiding the pitch, WHILE wearing arm protection that is also a rules violation if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah, so i guess if your team has bases loaded in a tie game in the bottom of the ninth and a pitch is up and in with a full count, you would just want the player to get out of the way because "hes breaking the rules"? Please...

Arm protection is not a rules violation, there is just a certain size you cant go over, and the only person who has used something too big has been Bonds to my knowledge. If all you are going to do is try and rag on biggio than just get out of this thread and use your time not looking foolish.

Start another thread in another forum if you like, but your act is getting old here.

[SamtheBravesFan]

If you wish to be decieved into believing that is the case, then go right ahead.

Actually, what I'm more worried about is that you're getting your panties in a knot for no reason.

[john1972]

Arm protection is not a rules violation, there is just a certain size you cant go over, and the only person who has used something too big has been Bonds to my knowledge. If all you are going to do is try and rag on biggio than just get out of this thread and use your time not looking foolish.

Start another thread in another forum if you like, but your act is getting old here.

But it's perfectly legitimate for people to constantly rag on someone like Bonds, right? I just love the hypocrisy of some people. I'm not suggesting your one of those who rags on Bonds. It's just that those who do incessantly rag on Bonds are very rarely reprimanded by anyone, but when I raise similiar complaints about the saint Biggio, people are all over me. Biggio is open to criticism regardless of what you or others say.

Since Bonds' name has been raised, doesn't his situation really shed true light on the value of an accomplisment like accumulating 3000 hits? Bonds may fail to reach 3000 despite him having far greater stats in nearly all other areas. Interestingly, along with more at bats, Biggio has more strikeouts than Bonds. 3000 hits seems to be more a product of at-bats and flailing away at every opportunity than the actual abilities of the player.

[EvanAparra]

But it's perfectly legitimate for people to constantly rag on someone like Bonds, right? I just love the hypocrisy of some people. I'm not suggesting your one of those who rags on Bonds. It's just that those who do incessantly rag on Bonds are very rarely reprimanded by anyone, but when I raise similiar complaints about the saint Biggio, people are all over me. Biggio is open to criticism regardless of what you or others say.

Since Bonds' name has been raised, doesn't his situation really shed true light on the value of an accomplisment like accumulating 3000 hits? Bonds may fail to reach 3000 despite him having far greater stats in nearly all other areas. Interestingly, along with more at bats, Biggio has more strikeouts than Bonds. 3000 hits seems to be more a product of at-bats and flailing away at every opportunity than the actual abilities of the player.

Actually, if you go to the Congratulations Barry thread, i say this exact same thing in there, as i hate when people rag on barry, especially in a thread meant to congratulate him.

Comparisons between Bonds and Biggio are unwarranted, as Bonds could be the best player to ever live, and Biggio isnt even close. 3000 hits seems to be the product of flailing away at opportunites? Tell that to Ty cobb, honus wagner, stan musial, tris speaker, carl yaztzremski, willie mays, wade boggs, and roberto clemente. That comment was just ridiculous.

[geezer]

Biggio's 9-30-2006 game @ Atlanta:

1 for 2

Hits for 3,000: 70

[Edgartohof]

But it's perfectly legitimate for people to constantly rag on someone like Bonds, right? I just love the hypocrisy of some people. I'm not suggesting your one of those who rags on Bonds. It's just that those who do incessantly rag on Bonds are very rarely reprimanded by anyone, but when I raise similiar complaints about the saint Biggio, people are all over me. Biggio is open to criticism regardless of what you or others say.

Since Bonds' name has been raised, doesn't his situation really shed true light on the value of an accomplisment like accumulating 3000 hits? Bonds may fail to reach 3000 despite him having far greater stats in nearly all other areas. Interestingly, along with more at bats, Biggio has more strikeouts than Bonds. 3000 hits seems to be more a product of at-bats and flailing away at every opportunity than the actual abilities of the player.


Gotta love this guy don't you? All of us are trying to watch as Biggio goes towards 3000 hits - which is quite an accomplishment, no matter how you look at it. Yet here's this guy trying to spoil it for everyone. It's one thing if you don't like the guy, or think he's great or something, but that's not what this thread is about (until you started turning it into that). We aren't looking for this trash here, we are here to congratulate a player going after a record that few others have reached. If you want to debate (or in your case just spout off your opinion and say everyone else is wrong), then start your own thread, don't ruin this one - which is exactly what you are doing.

[Edgartohof]

Actually, if you go to the Congratulations Barry thread, i say this exact same thing in there, as i hate when people rag on barry, especially in a thread meant to congratulate him.

a much shorter summary of what I was going for :crazy

[MyDogSparty]

It looks like Biggio has signed a contract for 1 more season with the Houston Astros. He'll get to 3,000 hits in the same uniform for sure. Good for him and good for baseball fans.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656215

TEXT OF ARTICLE:
HOSTOUN -- The Houston Astros have reached a one-year agreement with verteran second baseman Craig Biggio, the Houston Chronicle reported Friday, citing unnamed Major League Baseball officials.

Biggio, who wanted to avoid filing for free agency, will earn slightly more than $5 million in returning for his 20th season, the Chronicle reported. He needs just 70 hits to become the first Astros player to reach 3,000 hits. He hit .246 with 21 homers and 62 RBI last season.

The Chronicle reported Astros general manager Tim Purpura wouldn't confirm that a deal had been completed.

The contract was expected to be announced Friday, the newspaper said.

Biggio, who has said he wants to finish his career with the Astros, faced a Saturday deadline to reach a deal or file for free agency.

[WhoisonDeck]

So until geezer returns....



Last night (4/2/07) Biggio had one hit in a loss to Pittsburgh.

Totals:
Season - 1
Career - 2931

69 to go!

[geezer]

Thanks for re-opening this post, The Biggio Tracker started yesterday, and I hope he gets to the 3,000 hit mark before the All Star Break.

[brewcrew82]

Biggio has gone 3-5 with a homerun today against the Pirates.

66 to go!

[WhoisonDeck]

Biggio 3 for 5 on 4/4/07
1 HR

07 avg is .308

At this rate, 3,000 comes on:

May 30th, 2007

[Cubsfan97]

Im plenty sure he will get 3000 by the break. It will be a great day for baseball once he gets it though. THis year is really gonna be a greta one for baseball with all the milestones coming up. Im looking forward to it.

[WhoisonDeck]

Biggio 1 for 4 on 4/6/07

Season: 5
Career: 2934

07 avg is .294

At this rate, 3,000 comes on:

June 2nd, 2007

[geezer]

That's 65 Hits to go for Biggio

[geezer]

Biggio's 4/7/2007 game vs. St. Louis:

1 for 5, 2B, 2 RBIs

Hits for 3,000: 64

[baseball_83]

4/9/07

2 for 4, 2 2B, 2 R

Hits for 3,000: 62

[holyroman]

With those 2 doubles today Biggio moves into a tie with Honus Wagner for eighth all time on the doubles list.

[nerfan]

He's also passing some pretty good company here

26. Clemente.....3000
27. Rice............2987
28. Crawford......2961
29. F. Robinson...2943
30. BIGGIO.........2936

He just passed Willie Keeler this season... I think....

[geezer]

And with the 2 doubles yesterday, he is also in an elite company:

Doubles

1. Tris Speaker 792
2. Pete Rose 746
3. Stan Musial 725
4. Ty Cobb 724
5. George Brett 665
6. Nap Lajoie 657
7. Carl Yastrzemski 646
8. Craig Biggio 640
Honus Wagner 640

[Whitesoxnut]

Biggio has a lot of class. He's a great baseball player.

[baseball_83]

4/13/07

1 for 5, 2B

Hits for 3,000: 61

Now has sole possession of #8 spot on all-time doubles list.

[geezer]

4/14/2007 game @ Philadelphia:

1 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 60

[geezer]

4/16/2007 game vs. Florida:

2 for 5

Hits for 3,000: 58

[holyroman]

3 more hits to pass frank robinson
1 more run to pass paul molitor
5 more doubles to pass carl yastrzemski

[john1972]

Biggio has a lot of class. He's a great baseball player.

And also well on his way to becoming one of the most overrated players of all-time, regardless of what anyone thinks. His reaching 3000 hits will only assure this fact.

But of course Biggio is a class act whose only concern is for the good of the team. "Hey Bidge, way to take a walk once in a while to help the team instead of just trying desperately to bolster your own rep." NOT.
In a way I'm glad Alomar wasn't 'fortunate' enough to chase 3000 hits if this is the situation that would have resulted.
:p