Bonds hits first HR of season

[BoofBonser26]

In the 1st inning against the Rockies. In Coors. #709

[1doug]

Had to come at Coors! Heres hoping he see's nothing else around the plate!

[RuthMayBond]

Had to come at Coors!

Nice after-the-fact "prediction", I'm sure your grandma could hit one out

<Heres hoping he see's nothing else around the plate!>

Way to be a man, chicken :waving :waving :waving

[1doug]

Nice after-the-fact "prediction", I'm sure your grandma could hit one out

<Heres hoping he see's nothing else around the plate!>

Way to be a man, chicken :waving :waving :waving

Sorry, but it wasn't a prediction, and as for my grandmother, she never has played any sports at all, so I doubt she could hit anything, and not being a chicken, just what I would do to make sure he didn't hit anymore out. Thanks though.

[JohnGelnarFan]

I was hoping that he wouldn't get one this year. 425 AB's 0 Homers .219 B.A.,Retire,Go Away and hate the world in private.

[SoxSon]

Nice after-the-fact "prediction", I'm sure your grandma could hit one out

<Heres hoping he see's nothing else around the plate!>

Way to be a man, chicken :waving :waving :waving


RMB--
Ya have to be such a homer's homer? :laugh ;)

[Zito75]

I was hoping that he wouldn't get one this year. 425 AB's 0 Homers .219 B.A.,Retire,Go Away and hate the world in private.

Agreed.

Hitting a HR in Coors is an accomplishment. Let's all stop what we're doing and congratulate Barry.:rolleyes:

[BoofBonser26]

Nice after-the-fact "prediction", I'm sure your grandma could hit one out

<Heres hoping he see's nothing else around the plate!>

Way to be a man, chicken :waving :waving :waving
I cannot remember your last non-cynical post.

[KingJ]

Scoring Summary
Top 1st: San Francisco
- O. Vizquel homered to deep right
- B. Bonds homered to deep left
Top 3rd: San Francisco
- R. Durham homered to deep right
Bot 4th: Colorado
- B. Hawpe homered to deep right

Everybody is hitting em out into the thin Colorado sky tonight. I won't call Bonds a HR hitter until he slugs one into bay in SF.

[JohnGelnarFan]

Bonds - 1
Vizquel-1

Serious Question - Does Vizquel have more RBI's so far?......(Say Yes!!)

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

Vizquel Homered???

They must be playing in Coors. :D

[Bob Hannah]

Soriano hit three last night. Two off Smoltz. In RFK. Along with a double.

Barry breathed!

Barry blinked!

Barry blew his nose!

Barry yawned!

Barry has a television show!

Quick...post it so everyone knows "all that is Barry" as soon as it happens!

All is right with the world again.

[Dravecky43]

Yeah, Superman hit one. Nice. I heard it on the radio heading home from work. Here's to 47 more...

[BoofBonser26]

Quick...post it so everyone knows "all that is Barry" as soon as it happens!

Believe me, I would rather post "Barry Retires!"

[Taco De Muerte]

Soriano hit three last night. Two off Smoltz. In RFK. Along with a double.

Barry breathed!

Barry blinked!

Barry blew his nose!

Barry yawned!

Barry has a television show!

Quick...post it so everyone knows "all that is Barry" as soon as it happens!

All is right with the world again.


LOL.

If this guy farts it would be all over the news.

[JohnGelnarFan]

47 more singles,then call it a career.You Know Aaron must "dislike" him.



Yeah, Superman hit one. Nice. I heard it on the radio heading home from work. Here's to 47 more...

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

LOL.

If this guy farts it would be all over the news.

"Bonds responds to perjury charges and steroid allegations by way of flatulence"
A story by ESPN

I can see it now.

[Bob Hannah]

Believe me, I would rather post "Barry Retires!"
Not trying to bust on you, Boof. And since he is in the chase and ready to move into second in the all time HR catagory, there really is some merit to the post.

Its just all commentary on the "Be All That is Barry Bonds" mentality that kills me. So many times I've opened the Current Events forum and seen no less than five or six threads dealing with Bonds. And so much of that is rehash and restatement of opinion already offered. Or just plain drivel.

The Beatles or Princess Di should have been so popular.

[BoofBonser26]

Not trying to bust on you, Boof. And since he is in the chase and ready to move into second in the all time HR catagory, there really is some merit to the post.

Its just all commentary on the "Be All That is Barry Bonds" mentality that kills me. So many times I've opened the Current Events forum and seen no less than five or six threads dealing with Bonds. And so much of that is rehash and restatement of opinion already offered. Or just plain drivel.

The Beatles or Princess Di should have been so popular.
Thanks for the clarification. I agree with you on all accounts. Bonds. :mad: in general.

[SoxSon]

On the other hand, the number of posts discussing how there are too many Barry threads seems to be exacerbating the problem. :ughh :confused:

[BoofBonser26]

On the other hand, the number of posts discussing how there are too many Barry threads seems to be exacerbating the problem. :ughh :confused:
Like yours. :crazy :D :o :rolleyes: :laugh

[SoxSon]

Like yours. :crazy :D :o :rolleyes: :laugh


That was my point, boofman! :laugh :p

[BoofBonser26]

That was my point, boofman! :laugh :p
I know. I haven't gotten enough sleep.

I swear, this is my last post about how there are too many posts. No more. I promise.

[Yankee Legend]

unlike you antagonistic souls I congratulate Barry. :clapping :clapping :clapping

seriously guys, leave the man alone. what happened in the past is what happened in the past and all this controversy is hurting the game. Just let the man play.

[SoxSon]

I know. I haven't gotten enough sleep.

I swear, this is my last post about how there are too many posts. No more. I promise.


Maybe one more? Argh...too late!

[Bob Hannah]

On the other hand, the number of posts discussing how there are too many Barry threads seems to be exacerbating the problem. :ughh :confused:
I'm afraid there would be just as many threads re: Bonds anyway. Its difficult to believe someone posting displeasure over the amount of Bonds threads would spur others on to create more Bonds threads.

Its interesting to note who has participated in this thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=41047).

[RuthMayBond]

RMB--
Ya have to be such a homer's homer? :laugh ;)
Not near as much as a lot of you have to be a certain playa hater

[SoxSon]

I'm afraid there would be just as many threads re: Bonds anyway. Its difficult to believe someone posting displeasure over the amount of Bonds threads would spur others on to create more Bonds threads.

Its interesting to note who has participated in this thread (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=41047).

Nice to see you're as cranky as usual, Bob.

It was a joke. I have no idea what the answer is to the ever-growing number of Barry threads, but I was poking fun at myself in this thread for contributing to them, not you or anyone else. Boof got that. I was also joking in the other thread, too. Joking. As in making a joke. Ha-ha.

[RuthMayBond]

I cannot remember your last non-cynical post.Ginko biloba time :waving

[SoxSon]

Not near as much as a lot of you have to be a certain playa hater


Now...I didn't do any hatin', though, did I?
I agree that Bonds detractors probably outweigh his supporters on-line.

[Bob Hannah]

Nice to see you're as cranky as usual, Bob.

It was a joke. I have no idea what the answer is to the ever-growing number of Barry threads, but I was poking fun at myself in this thread for contributing to them, not you or anyone else. Boof got that. I was also joking in the other thread, too. Joking. As in making a joke. Ha-ha.
Ha ha, got it.

Its fairly easy to understand in the linked thread you were joking. There's enough to go on there without use of emoticons.

This thread differs. Even with the use of emoticons your initial post could be interpreted a couple of ways. I'm certain you could agree with that.

Cranky is a personal opinion, as is condescending.

[Atlanta Braves Freak]

OK, Barry has 1 HR this season, that means he needs one more to tie Bronson Arroyo!

[geezer]

Finally Barroid hit his first home run, I'm sure those poor Giant fans are happy that they finally pitch to him, and he belted over Coors Field, where anybody can heat one over the fence, so we can move on with the rest of baseball and not the Barry Saga.

[Williamsburg2599]

There are more chips in barry's elbows than in a frito-lay factory.Theres NO way hes going to pass Ruth.His HR was barly out.Everyone is cranking them out today the brewers hit 5 in one inning .weird.

[geezer]

If he has dignity, he may hang it up for the good of the game.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

According to Stephen A. Smith he should retire because Bonds is "whining"

So Soriano and TO. hold up on the whining.

[geezer]

According to Stephen A. Smith he should retire because Bonds is "whining"

So Soriano and TO. hold up on the whining.

Neither Soriano or TO has been accussed of being juicers, yet.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

But they have been acused of being whiners.

[geezer]

But they have been acused of being whiners.

But at least those 2 will acknowledge that their athletic legacy is not in question for using the cream and the clear.

[Go Bravos!!!#1]

There I do agree with you. :) :waving

[digglahhh]

You know, in so many respects, I'm a baseball purist but the public crucification of Bonds is unreal, and as a result I have come to root for him to break the record.

I hope he hits 850 and laughs all the way there, and then the next day, I hope Albert Pujols fails a piss test. Of course, I don't really wish for this to happen, but it would serve a lot of people right.

What Barry has done is undoubtedly wrong.

But people projecting their own insecurities absolving themselves of their indiscretions, and presenting themselves as self-righteous through their reactions to Bonds is expontentially more disgusting.

Okay, so Coors explains today's jack. Steroids explains the last five years. Now explain the three other MVPS. Explain how he he was the best player in the game throughout the 90's before steroids, and how it wasn't even remotely close.

Barry is unliked, he's been unliked before this scandal. To so many people this is a dream come true, and that's sad, because in the history of baseball this is actually a tragic thing. It is sad that people root for the desecration of the game they supposedly love, provided it smears the guy they love to hate in the process. I believe this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face, and I'm not above calling anybody ugly who does that...

[Sultan_1895-1948]

I hope he hits 850 and laughs all the way there, and then the next day, I hope Albert Pujols fails a piss test. Of course, I don't really wish for this to happen, but it would serve a lot of people right.

What Barry has done is undoubtedly wrong.

But people projecting their own insecurities absolving themselves of their indiscretions, and presenting themselves as self-righteous through their reactions to Bonds is expontentially more disgusting.

Okay, so Coors explains today's jack. Steroids explains the last five years. Now explain the three other MVPS. Explain how he he was the best player in the game throughout the 90's before steroids, and how it wasn't even remotely close.

Barry is unliked, he's been unliked before this scandal. To so many people this is a dream come true, and that's sad, because in the history of baseball this is actually a tragic thing. It is sad that people root for the desecration of the game they supposedly love, provided it smears the guy they love to hate in the process. I believe this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face, and I'm not above calling anybody ugly who does that...

People who are judging Bonds' alleged steroid use are not on a high horse, nor have they claimed to be perfect themselves. While I won't pretend that his public image isn't an issue at all, I think it's more of a sidenote to a larger issue.

I think you need to give some fans a break, and realize that they're not lashing out just at Bonds and his personality, but how he's gone about what he's doing. Many fans that I've talked to are extremely passionate about this issue, and view what he's doing as sort of defecating on our National Pastime. When the stadium fills with boos as he steps to the plate, why do you think they're booing? Because he doesn't treat reporters right, or because they view him as a fraud?

Personally, I don't mind if he passes Babe. Won't change a thing in my mind. The higher he gets, the greater his historical spotlight. He formed his own legacy already. Getting to 715 or 756 won't change that for me.

Btw; I thought his Colorado homer was a nice piece of hitting, going the other way with a tailing fastball middle-away right down the left field line. The talent and approach of the pitcher he hit it off is another issue, but Bonds' hit it well.

[digglahhh]

Randy,

You know me well enough to know where I come from. I would like to agree with you, but unfortunately, I can't. I don't believe in treating people differently because of who they are when it comes to issues of morals. Values are slightly different, because values are where people's situations come into play and as such you can understand why somebody feels a certain way even if you perceive them to be wrong.

In the moral sense, I don't believe Bonds has disgraced the game any further than Matt Lawton. The plagiarized D paper is no more forgivable than the plagiarized A+ paper. To judge them differently is make a judgment upon the underlying morality retroactively, so that the outcome dictates the moral motivation. That's backward and I can't accept it. So, until I see Juan Rincon booed out of the ballpark, I will not accept your categorization of the motives for booing Bonds.

People are passionate about morality, about right and good? Here, in this country, in this society? Please, people are passionate about, Ipods, pocketbooks and American Idol. People are not passionate about the underlying (im)morality of outsourcing, sweatshops and exploitive contractual agreements with subpar legal counsel and the other subterraneous ugliness of our passions. The people who are truly passionate about morality, like myself, are marginalized. We are deemed "idealists" and impedements to "progress" and worst of all, "the free market."

Those who are really "passionate" about Bonds breaking homerun records would be better served to find more constructive outlets for their passion.

[SoxSon]

Ha ha, got it.

Its fairly easy to understand in the linked thread you were joking. There's enough to go on there without use of emoticons.

This thread differs. Even with the use of emoticons your initial post could be interpreted a couple of ways. I'm certain you could agree with that.

Cranky is a personal opinion, as is condescending.

Not sure what more I could do to show I was joking than use emoticons in a Barry thread where nearly everyone was joking. I didn't quote you in the original post, or give any indication that I was talking to you at all, and if you understood I was joking in the other thread, why'd you link to it? All that (plus you requiring a final jab with "condescending") is why you're Mr. CrankyPants.

[Francoeurstein]

Yeah, Superman hit one. Nice. I heard it on the radio heading home from work. Here's to 47 more...


He wil NEVER beat the Hank's record, NEVER!!!!!

[Bob Hannah]

Not sure what more I could do to show I was joking than use emoticons in a Barry thread where nearly everyone was joking. I didn't quote you in the original post, or give any indication that I was talking to you at all, and if you understood I was joking in the other thread, why'd you link to it? All that (plus you requiring a final jab with "condescending") is why you're Mr. CrankyPants.
To answer the question posed, see the second line of the second parpgraph in the post you quote. Since the interpetation can go either way, the appearance is given you were swinging from both sides of the plate on the matter-obviously joking in the linked thread, not so in this thread.

In regard to jabs, thats like the pot calling the kettle black. But cranky, or Mr. CrankyPants, does have a certain ring to it.

Since we are both guilty of displaying behavior neither of us should be undertaking in public, I suggest it either be dropped or persued privately. My feeling is since high hard ones have been traded, I will let it rest.

[west coast orange and black]

1doug: Had to come at Coors!

zito 75: Hitting a HR in Coors is an accomplishment.

geezer: [bonds] belted [one] over Coors Field, where anybody can heat one over the fence



we'll hafta wait and see how coors plays this season to find out how many home runs get whacked there.
but last season, coors tied for 15th in the number of home runs hit. (that's outta 30 teams for any newcomers.)

also, bonds happened to go oppo for this one, directly down the left field line.
maybe that means something to some of us... maybe not.
but facts are facts.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

Randy,

You know me well enough to know where I come from. I would like to agree with you, but unfortunately, I can't. I don't believe in treating people differently because of who they are when it comes to issues of morals. Values are slightly different, because values are where people's situations come into play and as such you can understand why somebody feels a certain way even if you perceive them to be wrong.

In the moral sense, I don't believe Bonds has disgraced the game any further than Matt Lawton. The plagiarized D paper is no more forgivable than the plagiarized A+ paper. To judge them differently is make a judgment upon the underlying morality retroactively, so that the outcome dictates the moral motivation. That's backward and I can't accept it. So, until I see Juan Rincon booed out of the ballpark, I will not accept your categorization of the motives for booing Bonds.

People are passionate about morality, about right and good? Here, in this country, in this society? Please, people are passionate about, Ipods, pocketbooks and American Idol. People are not passionate about the underlying (im)morality of outsourcing, sweatshops and exploitive contractual agreements with subpar legal counsel and the other subterraneous ugliness of our passions. The people who are truly passionate about morality, like myself, are marginalized. We are deemed "idealists" and impedements to "progress" and worst of all, "the free market."

Those who are really "passionate" about Bonds breaking homerun records would be better served to find more constructive outlets for their passion.

Diggs, I see where you're coming from, and in a Utopian society, I'm right there with you. But we live in this society. A society where impact matters. Right now Bonds is taking the wrath of our displeasure with the whole thing. It's on his shoulders because of his position, and how he is single handedly altering the records we've come to accept. In a perfect world, yes. Everyone would feel the heat. When Palmeiro came back, didn't he receive boos? Didn't he put in earplugs? Guarantee if he was approaching Ruth and Hammer, that would have been magnified by 10, and here was someone who was supposed to be one of the "good guys." It's about betrayal and it's about passion.

It isn't only Bonds that betrayed us, it's other players and baseball as well. If Selig and Fehr stepped to the plate, they'd get the same chorus of boos, and deservingly so. All I was saying is that people need to let off steam, and although I don't agree with throwing needle casings, or toothpaste on the field, holding signs and booing is a healthy part of that outlet. If not allowed to vent, who knows what might happen with the lid still on. Just know that not everyone boos Bonds for his personality or for being a supposed jerk. It's about our Natational Pastime more than anything.

[Astro]

Finally Barroid hit his first home run, I'm sure those poor Giant fans are happy that they finally pitch to him, and he belted over Coors Field, where anybody can heat one over the fence, so we can move on with the rest of baseball and not the Barry Saga.
Uhhh... no they dont pitch to him... his OBP is 3rd in the NL at .518.... his average is .206......

The 2 people infront of him are Todd Helton (.529, batting average of .347) and Morgan Ensberg (.522, .411)

He has 11 more walks than last season, in the same amount of games (14) and is on pace for 200 if he plays 140 games

Todd Helton also only has 1 homerun this season, so no... not everyone can hit homeruns at Coors Field (ask Juan Pierre)

[Atlanta Braves Freak]

I know the "s" word always comes up with Bonds, but why can't we just talk about him hitting his first HR and how he will progress this season? I think we need a day at BBF where we don't use the "s" word.

[Yankee Legend]

My friend thinks Bonds is purposely not hitting homeruns in order to avoid suspision.

[west coast orange and black]

careful there, astro.
as a voice of reason, you are practically asking for the mudslingers to drag out their waterhoses. :eek:

[west coast orange and black]

yankee legend, what in the whirled could your friend possibly mean by that?
seriously, a player trying not to achieve?

[gator92]

1doug: Had to come at Coors!

zito 75: Hitting a HR in Coors is an accomplishment.

geezer: [bonds] belted [one] over Coors Field, where anybody can heat one over the fence



we'll hafta wait and see how coors plays this season to find out how many home runs get whacked there.
but last season, coors tied for 15th in the number of home runs hit. (that's outta 30 teams for any newcomers.)

also, bonds happened to go oppo for this one, directly down the left field line.
maybe that means something to some of us... maybe not.
but facts are facts.


http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2006_625&type=ballpark

Here's a scatter plot of all the 2006 homers at Coors so far (with distance data for each) - Bonds' is the second one from the left field line.

You can see in the table, second column from the right, hitters get about 30-40 feet of distance from the altitude at Coors, but the fences are further away, which partially compensates.

[SoxSon]

the appearance is given you were swinging from both sides of the plate on the matter-obviously joking in the linked thread, not so in this thread.

Yet you still linked that other thread, unnecessarily. Why? That's why you look like you're being cranky.


In regard to jabs, thats like the pot calling the kettle black. But cranky, or Mr. CrankyPants, does have a certain ring to it.

My only shot at you was cranky. It was direct and in response to you nitpicking and providing an irrelevant link in some weird attempt to link me to something (I'm still not sure what). On the other hand, you suggested I was being condescending in an ironically condescending finish to your post, which is as weird on your part as providing the link.


Since we are both guilty of displaying behavior neither of us should be undertaking in public, I suggest it either be dropped or persued privately. My feeling is since high hard ones have been traded, I will let it rest.

I'm guilty of participating in a Bonds thread, that much is true. I don't know what "high hard ones" are.

[Pghfan987]

You know, in so many respects, I'm a baseball purist but the public crucification of Bonds is unreal, and as a result I have come to root for him to break the record.

I hope he hits 850 and laughs all the way there, and then the next day, I hope Albert Pujols fails a piss test. Of course, I don't really wish for this to happen, but it would serve a lot of people right.

What Barry has done is undoubtedly wrong.

But people projecting their own insecurities absolving themselves of their indiscretions, and presenting themselves as self-righteous through their reactions to Bonds is expontentially more disgusting.

Okay, so Coors explains today's jack. Steroids explains the last five years. Now explain the three other MVPS. Explain how he he was the best player in the game throughout the 90's before steroids, and how it wasn't even remotely close.

Barry is unliked, he's been unliked before this scandal. To so many people this is a dream come true, and that's sad, because in the history of baseball this is actually a tragic thing. It is sad that people root for the desecration of the game they supposedly love, provided it smears the guy they love to hate in the process. I believe this is called cutting off your nose to spite your face, and I'm not above calling anybody ugly who does that...

I agree with you 100%. A lot of people seem to be getting some sort of twisted satisfaction out of seeing Barry Bonds suffer. The guy doesn't like the media, he isn't a people person, and he is a jerk. Ok. Has anyone spent time around a sports team recently? Apparently not. Guys like Sean Casey are the exceptions, not the norm. The sports world is full of sex boat scandals, steroids injections, excessive swearing, and clubhouse brawls. To call the sports world a paragon of morality is to call that Asian guy from American Idol the epitome of talent.

There are jerks everywhere. But Bonds is getting a reception that should be reserved for Osama bin Laden. (Not a joke.)

Ok, so we should all hate Bonds because not only is he a cheat and a jerk, but because he is really, really, really good? This makes absolutely no sense to me. We don't boo the other cheats and jerks, so why boo the one who also happens to be a top ten player of all-time? As hard as it is to believe, there are quite a few ball players who are a lot like Bonds in demeanor. They just haven't hit 700 homers.

If people really hate Bonds that much, I don't see how you can even watch baseball. There are plenty of steroid users and media haters to go around.

This isn't the drunk fan booing from the bleachers anymore. This is a witch hunt.

GO BONDS!

[Zito75]

http://www.hittrackeronline.com/detail.php?id=2006_625&type=ballpark

Here's a scatter plot of all the 2006 homers at Coors so far (with distance data for each) - Bonds' is the second one from the left field line.

You can see in the table, second column from the right, hitters get about 30-40 feet of distance from the altitude at Coors, but the fences are further away, which partially compensates.

Do you have a breakdown showing how many HR's were hit at each park last year or in 2004?

[gator92]

Do you have a breakdown showing how many HR's were hit at each park last year or in 2004?

Sorry, no, I've just started tracking this in '06, aside from some "proof of concept" type work on Fenway and Tropicana in 2005.

Numbers of homers can be found on a lot of sites (e.g. MLB.com), of course, you'd probably have to add a club's home total for hitters and home total for allowed by their staff...

[RuthMayBond]

My friend thinks Bonds is purposely not hitting homeruns in order to avoid suspision.That would be the best way to get the HR record :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

[west coast orange and black]

gator, i first saw your tracker the other day on another thread and thanked you. but because your tracker is so phenomenally detailed and and you are so dedicated to maintaining it here is another tip of the cap in appreciation; here is another "thanx".

my post was in response to those who believe that hitting dingers is easy. it was to put out as fact that last season, coors ranked tied for 15th among the 30 mlb parks for number of home runs hit.

[gator92]

gator, i first saw your tracker the other day on another thread and thanked you. but because your tracker is so phenomenally detailed and and you are so dedicated to maintaining it here is another tip of the cap in appreciation; here is another "thanx".

my post was in response to those who believe that hitting dingers is easy. it was to put out as fact that last season, coors ranked tied for 15th among the 30 mlb parks for number of home runs hit.

Thanks for the kind words :)

I'm not surprised at all to hear that Coors is an average park for homers - I think the huge run totals at Coors are more related to the yawning gaps between outfielders, and the faster flight of the ball in the thin air than they are to home runs. Coors also doesn't get nearly the favorable winds that some other parks get (e.g. Wrigley Field, Fenway) due to it's north-facing orientation.

But, can you imagine if they ever get a genuine home run masher on the Rockies (not a Vinny Castilla or Ellis Burks or even Helton, I mean a Pujols or Manny Ramirez or A-Rod)? That would be fun to watch!