Who would you guys like to see come here?

[tigers527]

In more then one thread, the thoughts of who'd I'd like to see in a Tigers uniform keep coming up. So thought I, why not start a DREAM DREAM DREAM thread. Maybe Dave Dombrowski will hear some of our dreams if we have enough mojo, or at least mention every possibility then we'd be bound to be right.
I have 3

1. Ichiro....Seattle is used to losing their stars, so this wont hurt them too much maybe something like Logan, Verlander, Granderson gets this deal done? If so I say do it. We'd actually have a lead-off hitter for the first time since Gary Pettis (no offence Tony Phillips).

2. Carlos Beltran....He's getting sick of NY media, although he is with a great club. I dont know what it would take to get him. I just saw him take away more doubles and triples in Comerica park then anyother player. Granted he was there 9-10 games a year for his entire Royals career. He would also solve that CF prob we've had since the park opened (no offence Nook Logan...you just cant hit for a lick).

3. Dontrell Willis....We all know Florida is not going to keep him for a third to half of their payroll. What might it take? Verlander and Zumaya, I'd have pause but I might do it. The D train is good, I would do my best to keep Verlander though. Maybe Bonderman and Zumaya gets that deal done, I would do that.

[racosun]

Nice thread, some bad ideas.

Yes, speaking in a dream-world manner, those are nice moves. But there are factors that make them terrible moves, even IF possible. I'm not meaning to rip on you personally, so take this with a grain of salt: 1) Ichiro is getting old, he's not as fast or sharp as he used to be. I wouldn't give up what you proposed to acquire him. 2) I'm a big Beltran fan, I think he'll have a nice bounce-back year. The drawback: his nearly $20 million a year for the next six years. Granderson is a much cheaper CF'er with fairly similar talents, and Cameron Maybin might be here sooner than we all think. He's tearing up Single-A ball, and could be in Erie by the end of this year. He's 19. 3) Dontrelle, I agree with. He's not that expensive yet, and is a very young lefty. That's nearly priceless. I don't know if I'd want to part with Verlander for anybody after seeing what he can do (consistent 101 mph!), but nearly anyone else would be trade-bait for fetching Willis.

Me, I'd like to see Dontrelle's teammates, Hanley Ramirez and Miguel Cabrera, if we're talking dream acquisitions. Both are going to be way above-average, if not superstars, at weak positions for years to come. Guillen's bat has looked decent, but his defense is atrocious so far. Inge sucks, so those two guys would fit in very nicely in Motown for a decade-and-a-half or longer.

[tigers527]

Nice thread, some bad ideas.

Yes, speaking in a dream-world manner, those are nice moves. But there are factors that make them terrible moves, even IF possible. I'm not meaning to rip on you personally, so take this with a grain of salt: 1) Ichiro is getting old, he's not as fast or sharp as he used to be. I wouldn't give up what you proposed to acquire him. 2) I'm a big Beltran fan, I think he'll have a nice bounce-back year. The drawback: his nearly $20 million a year for the next six years. Granderson is a much cheaper CF'er with fairly similar talents, and Cameron Maybin might be here sooner than we all think. He's tearing up Single-A ball, and could be in Erie by the end of this year. He's 19. 3) Dontrelle, I agree with. He's not that expensive yet, and is a very young lefty. That's nearly priceless. I don't know if I'd want to part with Verlander for anybody after seeing what he can do (consistent 101 mph!), but nearly anyone else would be trade-bait for fetching Willis.

Me, I'd like to see Dontrelle's teammates, Hanley Ramirez and Miguel Cabrera, if we're talking dream acquisitions. Both are going to be way above-average, if not superstars, at weak positions for years to come. Guillen's bat has looked decent, but his defense is atrocious so far. Inge sucks, so those two guys would fit in very nicely in Motown for a decade-and-a-half or longer.

First off, no man I am not offended. Ichiro is not that old and our above average outfield size would push his avg up at least 5 points. Maybe I gave too much but we do have to be realistic (Seattle is going to want two sure mlb guys in return). As far as Beltrans price tag...thats less then 1/2 what Illich saved on the wings payroll this season. As long as beer prices dont go up I am ok with what Beltran makes.

And don't be offended, Granderson can't (yet) play centerfield. The next time I see him get a good jump on a ball will be the first time. I dont think Inge sucks. Hes just miscast, he is not an everyday 3rd baseman. He would be perfect as a utilityman extraordinaire. Shane Halter with better offense and defense.

When making my list I was thinking of needs...we need a CF (right now Granderson is a LF playing CF). We need a lead off man. We could really use another solid arm in our rotation (which team couldn't). I would agree with you we need a 3rd baseman, just not as bad as those other spots.

Lastly Guillen had a few bad days. I think Leyland rattled him <shrugs>. He is usually a pretty solid glove (thats what he was in Seattle anyway). I do like Miguel Cabrera though. Not being a huge NL fan, I am not sure who Hanley Ramirez is though. I suppose, on this site I should not admit that, I should goto MLB stats site and pretend I know....but I am not like that. Although, I will look before the night is through.

[racosun]

First off, no man I am not offended. Ichiro is not that old and our above average outfield size would push his avg up at least 5 points. Maybe I gave too much but we do have to be realistic (Seattle is going to want two sure mlb guys in return). As far as Beltrans price tag...thats less then 1/2 what Illich saved on the wings payroll this season. As long as beer prices dont go up I am ok with what Beltran makes.

And don't be offended, Granderson can't (yet) play centerfield. The next time I see him get a good jump on a ball will be the first time. I dont think Inge sucks. Hes just miscast, he is not an everyday 3rd baseman. He would be perfect as a utilityman extraordinaire. Shane Halter with better offense and defense.

When making my list I was thinking of needs...we need a CF (right now Granderson is a LF playing CF). We need a lead off man. We could really use another solid arm in our rotation (which team couldn't). I would agree with you we need a 3rd baseman, just not as bad as those other spots.

Lastly Guillen had a few bad days. I think Leyland rattled him <shrugs>. He is usually a pretty solid glove (thats what he was in Seattle anyway). I do like Miguel Cabrera though. Not being a huge NL fan, I am not sure who Hanley Ramirez is though. I suppose, on this site I should not admit that, I should goto MLB stats site and pretend I know....but I am not like that. Although, I will look before the night is through.

I was pretty sure you wouldn't be offended, but I had to put out that disclaimer just in case someone thought I was being crabby instead of making baseball chatter. This site is pretty hospitable for the most part, almost to a fault. Anyways....

No, Ichiro's not all THAT old, but he'll be thirty-three this fall. His legs are tiring after an all-out career, and he isn't a long-term solution to any spot in our OF. And no, Granderson isn't up to snuff yet on the dynamics of MLB centerfield duty. But he's improving, and he's got blazing speed. He hasn't lost any games for us yet. We might have to agree to disagree on this one, but I think Granderson is a better value than Ichiro or Beltran considering payroll and production, and the fact that we have Maybin on the way. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have either of them in our outfield, just not at those prices.

Yeah, Inge doesn't suck. I should have said he sucks as a third-basemen, although I love his defense. His bat is too light for the hot corner, but he'd make a fine catcher when Pudge leaves or retires. Brandon made huge strides in his hitting since he was first called up, but by no stretch of the imagination is he a good-hitting third-basemen, or even average. But I like him, he deserves a spot on this team, I just think it should be back-up catcher and utility man. We should trade Robertson and some prospect for a decent-hitting third-sacker, and let Zumaya enter the rotation.

I could have gone the rest of my life without having to hear the words "Shane Halter" again. :ughh

Bottom line: I guess our "dream" additions are at different positions. I like our CF situation, and you like the 3B situation. That's cool. At least we're not complaining about five different positions. Hanley Ramirez = ex-Boston top-prospect who was just traded to Florida. He's out of the gate fast, jumped from AA to the Show. Fast dude. I'm sure you'll hear plenty about him before his career is over. He's a bit sloppy with the glove so far, though, but he'll adjust. He can hit and run at a big-league talent level.

[tigers527]

I could have gone the rest of my life without having to hear the words "Shane Halter" again. :ughh

Bottom line: I guess our "dream" additions are at different positions. I like our CF situation, and you like the 3B situation. That's cool. At least we're not complaining about five different positions. Hanley Ramirez = ex-Boston top-prospect who was just traded to Florida. He's out of the gate fast, jumped from AA to the Show. Fast dude. I'm sure you'll hear plenty about him before his career is over. He's a bit sloppy with the glove so far, though, but he'll adjust. He can hit and run at a big-league talent level.

No actually I do somewhat agree, I do think we need a 3rd baseman. I just dont think it is as pressing as our need for a real CF and a solid leadoff man. We almost had both, but then the oppisition figured out if their outfielders played shallow outfield (or even deep infield) Nook Logan cant hit anymore.

BTW your Shane Halter line hurt my sides it made me laugh so much.

[skeletor]

not much out there..and vastly over priced, and on the downslide
age wise...so unless there's some fantastic fa at a reasonable price,

[bennett_park]

First of all, a couple of quick disclaimers before proceeding with the matter at hand...
I'm not sure what the policy is here with regard to "resurrecting" older threads from the second page vs. starting a new thread on what is fundamentally the same topic. In this case, the existing thread seemed to provide a good context for this question/topic.
My "source" or "inspiration" for the question (such as it is) is FoxSports. Proceed at your own risk...:)

Aaaanyway... our FoxSports TV analyst/commentator made the comment today that Dontrelle Willis was supposedly available to the Tigers a couple of months ago in exchange for Verlander, Granderson and a "prospect". Now, back in March-April, I might have made that trade, but now? I'm not so sure.

Admittedly, Willis would be a very attractive addition to just about any team's roster, including the Tigers. Moreover, I think he'd be a huge fan-favorite in Detroit and would put more than just a few warm bodies in seats. But would you make that trade today?

If not, who would you realistically be willing to give up for Dontrelle?

[tigers527]

If not, who would you realistically be willing to give up for Dontrelle?[/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

I started a thread "you play the GM" were fans of a team would try and trade guys with fans of other teams....and it really didn't have anyone agree on fair compensation for each rooting interests players.

That said, I would not do either Verlander or Granderson. Perhaps Zumaya and a pair of prospects? I don't think that would be enough though. I say Illitch throws 20 million for 1/2 a season to Clemens, I would be surprised if even the Yankees match that one. It is the money he's saving from the Red Wings, so it is not like he'll miss it.

[bennett_park]

I say Illitch throws 20 million for 1/2 a season to Clemens, I would be surprised if even the Yankees match that one. It is the money he's saving from the Red Wings, so it is not like he'll miss it.

Considering that the Red Wings revenue is way down this year with only 3 home play-off games, I gotta' wonder just how much he has available. I think he operates the Wings with the presumption of having at least 8-10 play-off games at the "Joe" each year.

Then again, I wonder just how good Clemens might be this "half-season" and whether that would be $20 million well-spent. Roger has gotta' be teetering on the edge of severely-diminished-skills that come with advancing age. :rolleyes:

[Gee Walker]

I'd like some real left-handed power. We've been killing left-handers, and winning close games against the good right-handers. Position isn't really relevant, as there's a hole at DH right now. If the guy could handle LF or 3B, that's fine with me.

So since we can't get Jim Thome or David Ortiz or Travis Hafner...

I don't think anyone has the perfect combination of outstanding, available and affordable right now. I'd take someone like Matt Stairs as a stopgap. He'll get more hits in a week than Da-meat-tree and Hannahan will between now and the All-Star break.

Matt Stairs would be available pretty cheap, I assume. Some cash and Omar Infante might do it.

[tigers527]

I'd like some real left-handed power. We've been killing left-handers, and winning close games against the good right-handers. Position isn't really relevant, as there's a hole at DH right now. If the guy could handle LF or 3B, that's fine with me.

So since we can't get Jim Thome or David Ortiz or Travis Hafner...

I don't think anyone has the perfect combination of outstanding, available and affordable right now. I'd take someone like Matt Stairs as a stopgap. He'll get more hits in a week than Da-meat-tree and Hannahan will between now and the All-Star break.

Matt Stairs would be available pretty cheap, I assume. Some cash and Omar Infante might do it.

Matt Stairs?? Hmmm? I can kind of see the thought, but I would not want to give up in Omar though. Matt is long in the tooth, and Infante is a rather expierenced 24. If it could be worked through just farm system guys I think we would have something.

Side note I always thought Matt Stairs looked like a beer league softball player. This year though he got rid of that "nice" mullett.

[skeletor]

would love to see hafner from the tribe..but would be careful what
to give up..you can never have enough pitching..especially good..

The tribe, still has some great help down on the farm..as with
the marlins..and the marlins have soon material on the big club
that's itching to be moved..for the right deal..

I know, i'll be look like some sort of baseball simpleton, but the Royals
have some decent talent, and some good help on the farm..and sadly,
the are going thru now, what our beloved Tigers did in 02-03...KC
has some potential in the next few years...and just might beat the
Tigers 03 loss record, if their death swoon. continues..I feel sorry
for Buddy Bell..not a great mgr, but one that has the bad luck to
be saddled with some horrible clubs, ( Tigers,Rockies, Royals)

I'm always willing to consider any trade, as long as we get the better of the
deal..but caution should be made..especially in offering one of our young
pitchers...we do need a regular 3rd sacker..with a solid glove, and a hot bat

in my opinion..

[racosun]

I'd have to veto a Stairs/Infante deal. As said above, Omar has plenty of big-league experience at the ripe old age of 24. The only team Stairs hits well against is ours. I'd have to think that Omar would be fighting for a starting position on nearly any other club. He would prove to be valuable trade bait, if he weren't worth so much to us right now. What if Guillen can't hold up? That would be a very large hole in the infield without Infante to step in. Omar seems to be seeing the ball well this season, and plays solid defense. I'm not saying the guy is untouchable, but we'd have to get more in return than someone like Matt Stairs.

As for Willis, is his value taking a hit now that he's 1-6? There are a couple other pitchers on the Marlins that are able to win games, so why not Dontrelle? I think that herky-jerky motion he uses will end up shortening his career. I didn't hear that Willis was available for Verlander and some prospects, but in the off-season they offered us Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett for Verlander, Zumaya, and at least one other guy (Granderson?). DD should get executive of the year just for turning that one down. Both Lowell and Beckett are having great years for Boston, but the three guys we decided to hold on to are pulling their weight here too, plus they're much younger. It's okay to dip into the farm to patch a hole or two, but don't give the entire thing away just for a couple of guys who'll be gone within three years. I think Willis will get dealt this season, but not to us. The Marlins want way too much, and we're just now getting our own franchise back on track. No need to jeopardize the future for a couple extra wins this year.

[tigers527]

Who would you rather see with an Olde English D? Barry Zito or Dontrelle Willis?

[racosun]

I'd take Zito over Willis, mainly because I think Dontrelle will eventually blow his arm out.

[riverfrontier]

I'd also take Zito over Willis, but I'm not saying I wouldn't want Willis. I'm just sayin'...

[skeletor]

Looks like the Giants won't resign Bonds when his pact endes at
the end of this season..ranging from reduced stats, attitude,
and he can't play the field much any more..

it has been rumoured that due to Bond's strong ties to Leyland, he would
like to explore the chance of coming to Detroit, as a DH, and occasional
outfielder..

whatta think ? would it be worth it ? as long as DD doesn't give this guy
a wheel barrel full of cash...and maybe a one year pact..

if not, maybe he'll end up with the tribe or yanks...

I read that juan gone is playing in some semi pro league, trying to get
back in the show..