hey fungo?

[jusris]

I Pm'd you about Steve's video and you got back to me but I think you meant to send this PM to someone else. I'll send it back out there so that he can receive it...

In it's entirety.

Re: Steve E's DVD
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Originally Posted by jusris
Hi, I have been lurking around this board for quite sometime and have heard very good reviews of this DVD. Do you have any idea how I can obtain a copy of the DVD, I have tried repeatedly to contact Steve without any response.
Thanks, jusris.
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Originally Posted by fungo22
Did you ever hook up with Steve?
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Originally Posted by jusris
He got back to me and requested my number but hasen't called yet. I think he is busy getting ready for his trip and with tom.guerry
How much did you get your copy for?

Re: Steve E's DVD
Quote:
Originally Posted by jusris
Hi, I have been lurking around this board for quite sometime and have heard very good reviews of this DVD. Do you have any idea how I can obtain a copy of the DVD, I have tried repeatedly to contact Steve without any response.
Thanks, jusris.
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Originally Posted by fungo22
Did you ever hook up with Steve?
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Originally Posted by jusris
He got back to me and requested my number but hasen't called yet. I think he is busy getting ready for his trip and with tom.guerry
How much did you get your copy for?

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Originally Posted by fungo22
He paid me to watch it, but that was before he was famous.

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Originally Posted by fungo22
Cletus, call this guy and take his money. Then send him your video if you feel like it.

[Pro]

Cletus, call this guy and take his money. Then send him your video if you feel like it.
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This guy (Steve E) is sounding more and more like his Daddy (Nyman).


What Nyman said about SteveE:

I don't have any problem with Steve trying to distance himself from SETPRO while reinventing himself.

My problem is the distortion and outright fiction that is being used as part of this reinvention process.

What a bunch of clowns...

[fungo22]

I Pm'd you about Steve's video and you got back to me but I think you meant to send this PM to someone else. I'll send it back out there so that he can receive it...


I'm not sure who you are or what you're trying to accomplish. But I think you're going to be fairly disappointed in the results.

I meant to send the PM you've quoted below to both you and Steve. You asked me how much I paid for Steve's DVD, and instead of telling you it was none of your business, I gave you an answer that is pretty typical of me.

Because Steve hadn't called you yet, I also copied him on my PM to you (see screen capture of my PM outbox below) and suggested that he call you and sell you a DVD. Yes, I phrased it, "take your money." I wrote this intentionally in the PM to you for your amusement. Your little joke about Steve planning a trip to see Tom suggested you had a sense of humor. The part about actually shipping the DVD I wrote for Steve's amusement as well as yours (we all know a guy who doesn't ship his stuff right away). Am I to understand from your post that you weren't amused?

You guys are awfully quick to assume the worst and go public with it. As far as I know, Steve is pretty prompt in shipping his DVDs once he gets the order. I'm not sure how he does it. I was just trying to get you the DVD and help him make a sale.

[fungo22]

This guy (Steve E) is sounding more and more like his Daddy (Nyman).

What Nyman said about SteveE:

What a bunch of clowns... As far as I can tell, a several things all happened in this post. Your flag went up and we got a glimpse of your colors. And as your flag went up, your drawers fell down, simultaneously giving you the opportunity to do two things: Show your back side and step on your front side. Your version of the "one move?" And a smooooth one at that.

His Daddy? Do you see anything written by Steve in this thread? I've read it several times ... no wait, I wrote it ... and I don't see one contribution on the part of Steve. So why are you so damn quick to make a negative judgment? No, actually more like an indictment. Have rope, will travel?

And what's up with the moniker? Pro what? Leaning just a bit toward the vain side, don't you thnk? Pro what? Why don't you go out and find a good mob to lead?

[jusris]

Why would you think that would be funny? Do I know you? You stated that you're not sure who I am, so why would you send me that message?

I appreciate your attempt to help me get the video and setting up a link up with Steve but sending a PM to someone you don't know and giving the impression that his money might be taken just doesn't sit well with me, maybe with you but not with me.

I got an idea fungo, since you know how much the video is, why don't you send me the money down here in Hawaii and I'll see about sending you something in return...maybe if I feel like it.

[Ohfor]

Jusris

What does PM stand for?

[jusris]

Jusris

What does PM stand for?

Private Message

[Ohfor]

Now I'm glad I didn't respond to the one you sent me.

[jusris]

Now I'm glad I didn't respond to the one you sent me.

Why?

Were you thinking about sending me the same Pm as fungo?

[Ohfor]

No

Because you don't understand what the word private means.

Fungo was addressing your issue with humor, which you didn't get. And instead of investigating it privately until you had some facts with which to make those allegations, (which you wouldn't have found) you make the allegations anyway. WAY too prematurely.

I'm not a posse member. I'm happy to be an outspoken renegade. But, if I had any say, I'd say.......Good luck with your Epstein training.

[jusris]

No

Because you don't understand what the word private means.

Fungo was addressing your issue with humor, which you didn't get. And instead of investigating it privately until you had some facts with which to make those allegations, you make the allegations anyway. WAY too prematurely.

I'm not a posse member. But, if I had any say, I'd say.......Good luck with your Epstein training.

Why the negativity towards me Ohfor, I thought we were all having fun...seems like thats the theme here. I guess I too was wrong about your sense of humor.

[Ohfor]

Me, negative?

Please.

Read the timeline of facts and see who went negative and when.

Post #1 in this thread is as far as you'll have to read.

[Mark H]

I was just trying to get you the DVD and help him make a sale.

No good deed goes unpunished and many do not understand satire. Especially when it is subtle. Pro is pretty funny though. Either his satire is more oblique than even yours or he's mad enough at Nyman to short circuit his logic or he IS one of Nyman's guys. Who knows.

[jusris]

Me, negative?

Please.

Read the timeline of facts and see who went negative and when.

Post #1 in this thread is as far as you'll have to read.

I'm sorry if you got the impression that I was being negative, I meant no harm by my post.

I by no means meant to suggest that I had any negative ill will to someone implying that they were going to take me for a loop and take my money for an item that would be very beneficial to myself and my kids.

I knew that he was just joking and could tell by his sense of humor in previous posts that he was a fun loving kind of guy.

Again Ohfor, I am sorry if I gave you the impression of my negative attitude, it was all some big misunderstanding on my part and I should have gotten to the bottom of the story privately with said jester (fungo).

I will in the future look back at this and laugh at the wrongful thoughts that I had regarding that funny PM that I received. I mean come on, why would I think that fungo would actually mean for this guy named Cleutus to somehow take my money and not send me the item that I paid for.

just for my future reference I will be watching for icons like ;), and :D attached to messages so that I know the joke is on me, thanks again for your concern Ohfor, and again I apologize for any inconvienience (sp?) that this might have caused anyone.

[Ohfor]

Yeah right.

That's why you jumped from private to public.

Cause you meant no harm.

Sell that to someone who's listening.

[jusris]

Yeah right.

That's why you jumped from private to public.

Cause you meant no harm.

Sell that to someone who's listening.

Why can't I just call this a misunderstanding on my part? I've apologized already, and admit the errors in my way. Please I mean no harm, I'll even send YOU the money so that I can prove my sincerity.:D
See not hard.

Like I said in said post #1, I thought that fungo might have just sent me the wrong PM and meant to send it to that Cletus guy that he addressed in the PM. I was simply sending the message back out to whoever Cletus is. I couldn't have forwarded the PM to Cletus since I have no idea who Cletus is. So the only way that I could get the PM delieverd like fungo wanted was to go public with it.

Again, you are correct and I would like to thank you for posting gif's of your sons' swing in previous posts, they have helped contribute to my interest of getting better knowledge of the baseball swing for my own boys.

[Ohfor]

...So the only way that I could get the PM delieverd like fungo wanted was to go public with it...

Glad my son's clips helped.

Just don't try to shove snow up my ass with the above quote.

"The only way"........please.

[Mark H]

Easy there big guy. Let history be history. There's enough to deal with in the present.

[WonderMonkey]

We Are Getting Presents?!?

[Mark H]

Exactly. ;)

[jusris]

Glad my son's clips helped.

Just don't try to shove snow up my ass with the above quote.

"The only way"........please.

So Ohfor, let me se if I got this for future reference...

I contact someone about helping me get into contact with a great hitting guru who has a video for purchase that will help my kids out with thier swing. That contacted person then says he will help me in a PM to get into contact with someone about the video. Contact person also sends me a PM to Cletus "by mistake";), stating that maybe Cletus contact me about the video, and in that PM to Cletus he stats word for word, "Cletus, call this guy and take his money. Then send him your video if you feel like it." Now my reaction to this PM should have been to PM contact person and ask him "Privately" if he indeed wanted to take me for a loop with Cletus as he states in his "mistake";) PM or if this was just him joking about taking my money with Cletus.:D

Good one.;) again for future reference only. Thanks for the help.

[swingbuster]

Hey Mark,

Not going to the battle to shoot the wounded BUT I thought Ofher was the new logistics manager. Why can't he deal with such issues?

[ssarge]

Not going to the battle to shoot the wounded

Donny,

IMO, it would be a good battle to stay out of.

ANYONE knowing the individuals involved here knows that Steve doesn't even cash checks until the product is shipped.

EVERYONE who knows Fungo understands and appreciates his irreverance. I can understand how someone who DOESN'T know him might not "get" his sense of humor. While I think it is an error in judgment - BEST case - to air such concerns publically, explanations have been offered and conciliatory language extended. It seems to me like a good time to chalk it up to a misunderstanding and move on.

Agreed?

Regards,

Scott

[swingbuster]

Agreed...and also a good time for everybody to take stock of the damage that aimless and unwarranted criticism can do. It should be avoided and I will do my part going forward.

The internet is a powerful medium and should be used to exchange useful points of view.

I am ready for better dialogue and analysis of my clips...good or bad.

Every teacher and most products have an angle that is useful and meaningful when used right.

I guess what I am saying is that it is time for everybody to act more like you in dealing with situations that arise.

[Steve Englishbey]

As regards Ohfer and his status as "logistics mgr" or any other such "official status " as regards my website, Richard [ohfer,Infopimp,etal] has decided that for his "mental health " he should retain the freedom to express his "blunt instrument diplomacy" and "renegade " status.


Richard is not a tea sipper , polite society , kind of a guy. And is sickened [thus his mental health becomes degraded ] by guys continuing to politely debate those who really do not ,have not ,and will not listen or actually engage or exchange in any kind of remotely objective manner.

He doesnt "suffer fools gladly " and needs the freedom ----and unofficial status------to not be hemmed in by having to try to be something he is not .

I do agree with him [and others ] who do know that some people are indeed "hopeless" .

But we may diagree as to how to "win over " those who are not "hopeless".

It has been my experience that given time ,and presented with rational arguments and empirical facts ,and practical advice,most people who are truly open and interested in becoming more effective at teaching young hitters, will indeed be able to benefit from that which I try to teach and convey.

I may be more optimistic about that group [and my experience suggest that it is a potentially large group ] than Richard.

But I do agree that there are some rare few who are indeed "hopeless".

steve

[jusris]

Donny,

IMO, it would be a good battle to stay out of.

ANYONE knowing the individuals involved here knows that Steve doesn't even cash checks until the product is shipped.

EVERYONE who knows Fungo understands and appreciates his irreverance. I can understand how someone who DOESN'T know him might not "get" his sense of humor. While I think it is an error in judgment - BEST case - to air such concerns publically, explanations have been offered and conciliatory language extended. It seems to me like a good time to chalk it up to a misunderstanding and move on.

Agreed?

Regards,

Scott

Agreed.

There is no question about Steve's integrity on this matter, his was not the problem or the questioned. I spoke with him prior to getting the PM and was impressed with our conversation.

scott, again my apololigies are extended in carrying out this in the wrong manner but I felt, due to my misunderstanding of the matter, that this type of good natured PM should be shared publically just in case the "contact" had tried this with other "newbies" looking for Steve's video. Handling it privately would not have helped shed any light to others out there that might have been in my situation.

Again, now that I know the situation and the reasoning behind the message, no problems.

Just one question, WHO THE HELL IS CLETUS!!
:D

[Ohfor]

Steve said it well and politically correct. Gag. :D

I would've said.....while you're trying to save "everyone", most (95%) won't do or listen to what needs to be done anyway. (several of them have been identified here already).

Give me or 4 or 5 who want it and let's get after it. Hell with the rest.

So, for clarification, I support the posse's hitting beliefs but I think they are a bunch of sissies.:D

Loose cannon or renegade fits me just fine.

I would love to see you guys in the pool room.:D

The first statement you make that was off color and/or likely to be wrong, someone would say "BET". Meaning, I'll bet $100 or a $1000 that you're wrong. You'll either post the money and make your case and win or lose............or you'll be so embarassed you'll never come back. I get a huge chuckle thinking of swingbuster and tom in the pool room. Unfortunately, I laugh just as hard when I think of a few posse members in the pool room.

Street smarts and no bull ****. Get to the point or shut the f up. Life in the pool room.:D

And most think I learned it from Nyman. Nope. I just felt right at home with him.

[4for4]

Agreed.

There is no question about Steve's integrity on this matter, his was not the problem or the questioned. I spoke with him prior to getting the PM and was impressed with our conversation.

scott, again my apololigies are extended in carrying out this in the wrong manner but I felt, due to my misunderstanding of the matter, that this type of good natured PM should be shared publically just in case the "contact" had tried this with other "newbies" looking for Steve's video. Handling it privately would not have helped shed any light to others out there that might have been in my situation.

Again, now that I know the situation and the reasoning behind the message, no problems.

You should have left it at "Agreed."


Just one question, WHO THE HELL IS CLETUS!!
:D

Had you pursued the matter in a more thoughtful and reasonable way, you would have learned who Cletus is, and you would have chuckled. Lesson learned.

[jusris]

Had you pursued the matter in a more thoughtful and reasonable way, you would have learned who Cletus is, and you would have chuckled. Lesson learned.

Again, very "good natured" to avoid further damage.

No I wouldn't get a chuckle, I'm not involved in anything that is going on with Cletus, so why should I need to do some research on the topic of Cletus when it involves my money?

Did you go out of your way to find out all you could about me before posting that? Did the contact go about researching my humor and understanding about the ways of the board?

Like I said, my apoligies but don't paint me like I'm the only one at fault. It's more like 99% at fault.;)

[Mark H]

Give me or 4 or 5 who want it and let's get after it. Hell with the rest. .


I think there are a 100 out there doing a little bit better for what they read on here for every one on here we recognize as aiming for excellence. Much of what I post is to them. Especially anything I post to Tom. I'm not trying to change him, I'm speaking to the average dad who is trying to decide if volume, inscrutability and persistence mean Tom is right. My motivation from shortly after I started studying this stuff has been to: 1. Steer people away from bad information and 2. Steer them toward good information.






So, for clarification, I support the posse's hitting beliefs but I think they are a bunch of sissies.:D

.

ROFLOL You got me rolling with that one. I understand and it's not that I don't feel the same way sometimes. I just don't want me letting my emotions run get in the way of some kid somewhere getting good information.

[Steve Englishbey]

Charles [juris] ,Cletus,the man in black ,red-neck Jack Lalanne..........are all in reference to me .


Sorry for the confusion. On everyone's part .This entire thread seems to be mostly a series of misinterpretations.

I think everyone should kinda move on.

steve

[jusris]

Charles [juris] ,Cletus,the man in black ,red-neck Jack Lalanne..........are all in reference to me .


Sorry for the confusion. On everyone's part .This entire thread seems to be mostly a series of misinterpretations.

I think everyone should kinda move on.

steve

And let there be light!!!

Makes sense NOW. Thanks.

[4for4]

Charles [juris] ,Cletus,the man in black ,red-neck Jack Lalanne..........are all in reference to me .


Sorry for the confusion. On everyone's part .This entire thread seems to be mostly a series of misinterpretations.

I think everyone should kinda move on.

steve

Well, ok.:cool:

[ssarge]

So, for clarification, I support the posse's hitting beliefs but I think they are a bunch of sissies.
If Richard is at one extreme, I am at the opposite. And I am sure I frustrate him a good deal. Although he supports me, because I think he knows my heart is in the right place. And I suspect he knows I listen sans agenda.

However, my motivation is similar to Mark's. I have always had a great deal of empathy w/ parents who want to navigate the minefield and get world class hitting info to their kid - w/out becoming an internet wonk to do it.

I write to those people. Who BTW, buy hitting instructional systems from one of the "gurus," dutifully follow the program, and don't do / really aren't capable of easily doing anything to modify or supplement it. And then try to fight off (mostly) well meaning coaches who want to change everything they've done.

That is reality, on these boards, and in the youth BB / FP world.

And for the vast majority of such people - with whatever credibility I'm accorded - trust me when I tell you that Englishbey is the best approach.

Regards,

Scott

[LClifton]

And for the vast majority of such people - with whatever credibility I'm accorded - trust me when I tell you that Englishbey is the best approach.

Who is Englishbey Approach? Does he have a DVD?

Dad's uptown !!!

[jusris]

Ok, now that is out of the way.

I have a question that hopefully someone with a child can answer.

What did you guys do when coaches try to change your kids swing. I am in the process of introducing the methods that Steve has suggested but my boys coaches emphasize different things that go opposite of what I want them to do.

I don't feel like going back on the Epstein way as you can see from the previous .gif of Justice's swing. Product of a failed Epstein approach.

For any of you Epstein guys no disrespect, I just didn't like the way the swing was progressing. Didn't make sense.

[RobV]

I think you just kind of tell your kid to nod at the coach acknowledging him ,and just keep on doing what your doing.

It's a tight rope you have to walk, (that I am walking myself), and you just hope things work out.

If you're getting results with your "new" way, it makes it that much easier.

[jusris]

I was thinking about reemphasizing the "new" way after practices so that what ever was taught could be washed out of their head, or should I just wait until later for fear of them confusing both methods and overloading.

[fungo22]

What did you guys do when coaches try to change your kids swing. We give their email addresses to Ohfor.

[Ohfor]

We give their email addresses to Ohfor.

And, they haven't been heard from since.:D

Need some help jusris? I have some pool hall friends.

[GFK]

I think you just kind of tell your kid to nod at the coach acknowledging him ,and just keep on doing what your doing.

It's a tight rope you have to walk, (that I am walking myself), and you just hope things work out.

If you're getting results with your "new" way, it makes it that much easier.

Oldest son has been hitting well this season. Coach wants him to stand straight up and down and take the bat to the ball with his arms / hands. Coach thinks the MLB Hitters do it wrong. He thinks the MLB'ers are all flash and have bad habits. Coach had him at batting practice without me around and tried to force him to stand straight up and swing at a pitch thigh high. Oldest son finally stood up to coach and told him he wanted to swing like a MLB Hitter and they did not stand up for a thigh high ball.

It is a "greased" tight rope!

[GFK]

I was thinking about reemphasizing the "new" way after practices so that what ever was taught could be washed out of their head, or should I just wait until later for fear of them confusing both methods and overloading.

In my experiences, the "Team Batting Practices" consist of so few reps that they make little to no difference in a swing that has been ingrained with thousands of reps. Usually the boys say yes coach (thinking to them selfs coach must not watch the same video we do) and swing utilizing the approach we have practiced. They hit well enough that the coaches leave them alone and focus on the ones that do not know what end of the bat to hold.

[Mark H]

Ok, now that is out of the way.

I have a question that hopefully someone with a child can answer.

What did you guys do when coaches try to change your kids swing. .

If it's rec or select/travel, I use the Barbara Bush method. Just say no. Downside is now your kid is under the gun to produce. You CAN find a travel/select team for your kid to play on that won't screw around with their swing if you look far and hard enough. If you are talking school ball, the yes coach and then ignore method may be your best option though a real determined idiot like DD played for in college makes that difficult. For those of you with female softball players, I can vouch for two colleges and suspect a third may be OK in terms of this question.

[Mark H]

Oldest son has been hitting well this season. Coach wants him to stand straight up and down and take the bat to the ball with his arms / hands. Coach thinks the MLB Hitters do it wrong. He thinks the MLB'ers are all flash and have bad habits. Coach had him at batting practice without me around and tried to force him to stand straight up and swing at a pitch thigh high. Oldest son finally stood up to coach and told him he wanted to swing like a MLB Hitter and they did not stand up for a thigh high ball.

It is a "greased" tight rope!

I think the confidence and cojones this develops and shows are more important to his future than what happens in baseball. Way to go son!

[Pete H]

I have a question that hopefully someone with a child can answer.

What did you guys do when coaches try to change your kids swing. I am in the process of introducing the methods that Steve has suggested but my boys coaches emphasize different things that go opposite of what I want them to do.

Show them some video clips. Watch some games and talk about the good swings. Watch Sports Center - they always have a section where the day's home runs are shown. Let them SEE that what you are trying to teach them is the way the professionals do it. Once they understand (cognitively) what a good swing is, they will be better able to discount erroneous information. When they come to you and say, "Coach X told me to take my hands to the ball, that's not right is it," you'll know it's sinking in.