Sucking IT up.

[wogdoggy]

took oafors advice and started sucking it up..looked at a certain guys{STEVE} one hand swing over and over and over again with my kid.Made the kid do the samething over and over and over and over...and guess what over the fence she went today.320 plus..almost got two one foul by 10 ft.. Sucking it up never felt so GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.:clapping :waving :dance :D :)

[ssarge]

320 for a female is a VERY long ways. In all my days of watching FP, I've seen maybe 2-3 hitters put one 300. Congrats!

Regards,

Scott

[LClifton]

320 for a female is a VERY long ways. In all my days of watching FP, I've seen maybe 2-3 hitters put one 300. Congrats!

Regards,

Scott
Sarge, you know woggy's kid is a --HE-----I think he meant "she went over the fence" as a reference to the ball....
.....or, maybe you knew that and I messed up..:o
LClifton

p.s. Congratulations Woggy to your (child) on the Home Run !!

[4for4]

Sarge, you know woggy's kid is a --HE-----I think he meant "she went over the fence" as a reference to the ball....
.....or, maybe you knew that and I messed up..
LClifton

p.s. Congratulations Woggy to your (child) on the Home Run !!

I think you may be correct. Way to go Dog. Great to hear about a big fly and all the work that goes into getting there.

By the way Mr. Clifton, how's Mrs. Clifton doing with the tweaking of Ms. Clifton's hitting mechanics?

[Mark H]

took oafors advice and started sucking it up..looked at a certain guys{STEVE} one hand swing over and over and over again with my kid.Made the kid do the samething over and over and over and over...and guess what over the fence she went today.320 plus..almost got two one foul by 10 ft.. Sucking it up never felt so GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.:clapping :waving :dance :D :)

Awesome! Hope it becomes such a regular thing you use all those home run balls for bp just have something to do with them.

[wogdoggy]

you know that dang one handed drill steve shows is really nice,really forces you to connect and remove the top hand from the mix.

[retkag]

Remember that as soon as you put that top hand back on that bat the brain knows it. It will fight really hard to use the old patterns.

retkag

[ssarge]

Thanks, Loren, I'm an idiot.

Congrats are obviously still in order.



Remember that as soon as you put that top hand back on that bat the brain knows it. It will fight really hard to use the old patterns.
Truer words never spoken, Garrett.

Best regards,

Scott

[LClifton]

Remember that as soon as you put that top hand back on that bat the brain knows it. It will fight really hard to use the old patterns.

retkag

I echo Scott's truer words comment.

Same with posture, it seems... The body,,,, without some monitoring,,,,, tends to fall back to a more "comfortable" approach.

So Garrett, how does one teach connection in the swing and disconnect in the brain? LOL.

LClifton

[RobV]

I echo Scott's truer words comment.

Same with posture, it seems... The body,,,, without some monitoring,,,,, tends to fall back to a more "comfortable" approach.

So Garrett, how does one teach connection in the swing and disconnect in the brain? LOL.

LClifton

I'll echo this once again!

After working the last 2 1/2 months on our "new" swing, my son is still using his "old" swing during the games. REALLY FRUSTRATING!!:mad: I thought we made some progress after his first scrimmage game he went 2-2 with a single and triple, but after 4 games now....he's still without a hit.:(

The game stress totally takes away his confidence, and he can't seem to use his good swing.

[swingbuster]

you put the bat where they cannot do it wrong....

they do revert.....it is programed...your fighting an unhill battle that I have fought already.

You watching a movie that I have seen the ending of and the end doesn't change

[Mark H]

I'll echo this once again!

After working the last 2 1/2 months on our "new" swing, my son is still using his "old" swing during the games. REALLY FRUSTRATING!!:mad: I thought we made some progress after his first scrimmage game he went 2-2 with a single and triple, but after 4 games now....he's still without a hit.:(

The game stress totally takes away his confidence, and he can't seem to use his good swing.

The goal is the same in the hitter's brain. Hit the ball. Change the goal to "have a good swing".

[RobV]

The goal is the same in the hitter's brain. Hit the ball. Change the goal to "have a good swing".

I have said that........maybe I need to emphasize it more.

We'll see how todays game turns out.

Thanks!

[swingbuster]

Rob...I have watched the muscles of the top hand forearm tighten up as the pitcher breaks over. You can see the top hand take over from behind the screen

[Mark H]

I have said that........maybe I need to emphasize it more.

We'll see how todays game turns out.

Thanks!

Make sure you praise a good swing regardless of the result.

[RobV]

Well....not a great hitting display, but at least got his first hit.

Went 1-3 with a walk (1 K also). His hit was a nice shot down left field line for a double (which knocked in a run). It was a clutch hit also 'cause they were down by 3 at the time.

I haven't looked at the video yet, but I can tell he still hit the top side of the ball (which he's been doing), but happened to get a better piece of it that time for a hit.

Still leading with the rear elbow. He did manage to keep his front foot down better (to get the no stride happeneing) this time.

I talked to him before his first at bat again to remind him to just get his swing right and forget about hitting the ball.

It's just going to take more time I think.........

:noidea

[swingbuster]

pulling rear elbow, no stride, left field line,

the same movie is playing over and over.

Change his hand set, give him his stride back , teach him the proper negative preswing moves

[Ursa Major]

Congrats to both Wogpup and RobV. I know the "regression" battle. At our game Sunday, the kids were ripping the ball in pregame soft toss and wiffle practice. The game started (and the ump's strike zone went to about 9 inches outside), and the kids reverted to their arm swings. Out of eight hits, seven were pushed to the opposite field, five in the fourth inning when our team scored all of its six runs. Fortunately, the other team chose that inning to put one of their weaker, newer players at second base and he couldn't get anything. (Nice kid too; it tore my heart out to seem him lose it.)

The ugliest swing may well have been this loopy sucker by Ursa Minor (my boy) protecting with two strikes on an outside pitch against that inflated strike zone. On the plus side, the swing spanked the ball into right field for a single that started the six run rally.


But, as lousy a swing as it was, it's got his confidence back up. Sometimes, that's what it takes. You think the kid's going to go a whole season without a hit, and someone delivers it into his wheelhouse and he smacks it (or it finds its way between fielders), and he starts to think, "I can do this!" And maybe that confidence can translate into a real swing, rather than a "just make contact" swing.

[Steve Englishbey]

Loren [and Garrett ] :To really break the typical back arm problems you need to do three things.

1] Fully recognize and understand that it is a problem [and certainly one of the the basic problems is that you are creating movement with the back arm [elbow to the shoulder complex] that is impeding the ability to get the bat into the momentum path of the shoulders quickly---and for a sufficient length of time.

2] You have to engage in very specific [and very explicitly understood] one arm drills [front arm ] that force you to learn how the front arm ,posture ,and the torso [rotation of the body mass ,ie hip joints thru the scapula] are functioning as "one thing doing one thing". And once you start to really understand this you will also learn how to unhinge the wrist into contact ,ie learn how to "get off the merry-go -round " on a timely basis ["rotational extension"].


3] You have to engage in very specific [and very explicitly understood] back arm drills that will force better control ,stability ,and direction of the back arm movement.


This can be accomplished .I have personally been involved with a number of hitters here in Houston that have become much more effective in learning this---and applying it in games.

And in many many cases I have found that this can be done in short term situations [as when I go around the country and show hitters how to practice this.I can get them to do things which very much facilitate better functioning-----especially of the back arm.]

The retention of this[and the further development of this better functioning] greatly depends on how well they really understand the significance of what I am forcing them to do.

And how explicitly they understand how to practice on their own what they did ----when I essentially forced them to do what they need to do.

All of the above is not easy. But it is doable----if the above conditions are met.

Beyond this I would say that in order to really change almost any kind of movement , there has to be a VERY EXPLICIT understanding involved [you have to really know what you are doing and what you are trying to do.You have to be extremely "mindful" of what you are doing-----with every swing . And I am talking about practicing --including live practice.]

There may also be involved a period of "awkward self-conciousness " [Loren Seagrave] and feelings of discomfort that you will usually have to work thru if you really expect to change your "swing behavior".

As I have said before ,if you are guided by feelings of comfort ,you will likely not much improve as time goes on.

If you are self-satisfied as an athlete ,you will not likely improve very much.

I would also add that too many people are not understanding the "explicit learning" and "mindfulness " [this is based on the book "Mindfulness"] that usually has to be the cognitive predicate if you will , to real change in movement patterns and functioning of the body.

My observations and "intuitions" are that all too many are more "implicitly engaged" than they are fully "explicitly aware " of what they are doing and what they are trying to accomplish.

Implicit learning and "tacit awareness" are part of a long -term learning and develpoment process.And are no doubt involved in long term development and mastery .

But you are much less likely to get to this stage unless you engage in a much more painstaking and explicit learning process that is most effective in overcoming bad habits.

This is ceratinly my experience to date as a teacher[and as someone who has been personally involved with movement ---and what it takes to change movement patterens.

It is also something that can be found in any number of sources regarding motor learning research and theory.

steve